BTS discussion thread

[tyrab]

They posted this a few hours ago lots of American artists have been using the hashtag #DreamStillLives
The link they posted sends you to this countdown I still not sure what will be happening once it's done.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/981456367931150336

This is what I found about the hashtag This could be just done out of respect and doesn't mean anything but then again i don't know and wanted to post it here.

 

[ShiningCarat14]

They posted this a few hours ago lots of American artists have been using the hashtag #DreamStillLives
The link they posted sends you to this countdown I still not sure what will be happening once it's done.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/981456367931150336

This is what I found about the hashtag This could be just done out of respect and doesn't mean anything but then again i don't know and wanted to post it here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/981459386705920000

I heard that it was to celebrate Martin Luther King

 

[tyrab]

I heard that it was to celebrate Martin Luther King

thats nice

 

[jewels]

I heard that it was to celebrate Martin Luther King

It is.

 

[MochiAmour]

I dunno, if they were that greedy they would have partecipated to the Olympic closing cerimony, but they haven't.
I'm not saying they aren't interested in money, of course they are, after all it's their job, but i think they are very smart and have many things planned beforehand.
They avoided many international stuff, from i-heart whatever concert, to AMA after party, and apparently many celebrities can't really approach them that easely(i'm not american so i dunno half of them).
BTS are aware they are Kpop and that's what it makes them different, to make an english album would go against their major charm just to try to grab the interest of not kpop fans.
Also they want to keep their clean approchable image and they couldn't if we see them hanging out with...umn...some american celebrities.
Most of the times BTS looked annoyed at the questions of american interviwer, in my opinion they personally aren't interested in America but of course they must keep it for themself because after all America too bought their songs.
The point is that fame in America last less than in Korea (if they please enough Korea fanbase),american fame is much hungrier and always demand over exposure(that they are trying to avoid to mantain their original approchable idol concept) but american fandom moves on quickly once they satiate their hungry , i wouldn't be surprised if America forget about them in few months, after all most people are interested only in Mic Drop remix.
Their new Japanese album is exactly the opposite of what american fanbase (i mean the no-kpop fans) would like, if that's a hint for their future mood of songs their album won't try on america that much (despite the random english words here and there).

Good points. But I don't think they participated in the iHeart and Kids Choice awards plus the Olympics because they are simply too busy. Most people will say no matter how busy you are, you can make time for the Olympics but that's planned well in advance because of the amount of work that goes into it. They were preparing for 2 comebacks, plus their main one that they're still currently working on, then you have their endorsements and who knows how many other things from collabs, runs, etc. they have that's coming that we don't yet know about.

Imo, some of them didn't want to attend the after-party because of the language barrier. Because who would want to go somewhere to party when you can't speak the language and would have to rely on the 1 person who can speak fluently who would probably want to be doing his own thing. He's already in charge on the interviews and networking so I doubt he'd want to be playing the interpreter all night when you're supposed to be letting loose and having fun haha I also think some of them know what goes down at those parties and didn't want to be involved and maybe wanted to take a break from the after-parties they may be required to participate in back home. Just a thought.

The only one's I think really want success in America is RM and J-Hope. They let loose and fit in with the atmosphere more than the others. The only one I've always felt that doesn't want it is Jimin while the rest are just along for the ride and their mentality is whatever happens, happens. You can develop a strong and loyal base in America too. Look at the greats that had something that was considered special who remained on top their whole career, aside from some scandals, because of their devoted fanbase (MJ, Elvis, Tupac etc). I'm not saying BTS will end up in their ranks in America but you honestly never know. If they keep pursuing opportunities in America, it will open up new doors and bring in more fans.

Their Japanese album is #1 on itunes WW so they're international fanbase is still strong despite it not being a Korean album.

 

[jewels]

Good points. But I don't think they participated in the iHeart and Kids Choice awards plus the Olympics because they are simply too busy. Most people will say no matter how busy you are, you can make time for the Olympics but that's planned well in advance because of the amount of work that goes into it. They were preparing for 2 comebacks, plus their main one that they're still currently working on, then you have their endorsements and who knows how many other things from collabs, runs, etc. they have that's coming that we don't yet know about.

Imo, some of them didn't want to attend the after-party because of the language barrier. Because who would want to go somewhere to party when you can't speak the language and would have to rely on the 1 person who can speak fluently who would probably want to be doing his own thing. He's already in charge on the interviews and networking so I doubt he'd want to be playing the interpreter all night when you're supposed to be letting loose and having fun haha I also think some of them know what goes down at those parties and didn't want to be involved and maybe wanted to take a break from the after-parties they may be required to participate in back home. Just a thought.

The only one's I think really want success in America is RM and J-Hope. They let loose and fit in with the atmosphere more than the others. The only one I've always felt that doesn't want it is Jimin while the rest are just along for the ride and their mentality is whatever happens, happens. You can develop a strong and loyal base in America too. Look at the greats that had something that was considered special who remained on top their whole career, aside from some scandals, because of their devoted fanbase (MJ, Elvis, Tupac etc). I'm not saying BTS will end up in their ranks in America but you honestly never know. If they keep pursuing opportunities in America, it will open up new doors and bring in more fans.

Their Japanese album is #1 on itunes WW so they're international fanbase is still strong despite it not being a Korean album.

I agree with a lot of these points. Performing at the Olympics is a very huge honor and an excellent opportunity, so I believe for them to not attend that they must be planning something that is very large. With the after party event, I also agree that BTS most likely just didn’t want to attend because of the language barrier. Plus, BTS returned back to their hotel and went on V-Live. They have always been the group that want to turn and interact and thank fans as soon as they are able to, so I don’t see them not attending the after party as a sign that they aren’t interested.

I believe at this time they are probably just planning for something very big and that explains why they missed out on so many things. Billboard is coming up, and I expect to see that they will be performing especially since they are supposedly going to release a US single here. They will likely perform that single at the award show.

And I think if they play their cards right, because they have such a loyal and powerful growing fan base, that they can definitely become bigger in America. Do I think they will be at the top? I’m not so sure that America is quite ready for that. But I do think that they’ll have a comfortable position.


do truly believe that Big Hit want to have success in America,

 

[MochiAmour]

I agree with a lot of these points. Performing at the Olympics is a very huge honor and an excellent opportunity, so I believe for them to not attend that they must be planning something that is very large. With the after party event, I also agree that BTS most likely just didn’t want to attend because of the language barrier. Plus, BTS returned back to their hotel and went on V-Live. They have always been the group that want to turn and interact and thank fans as soon as they are able to, so I don’t see them not attending the after party as a sign that they aren’t interested.

I believe at this time they are probably just planning for something very big and that explains why they missed out on so many things. Billboard is coming up, and I expect to see that they will be performing especially since they are supposedly going to release a US single here. They will likely perform that single at the award show.

And I think if they play their cards right, because they have such a loyal and powerful growing fan base, that they can definitely become bigger in America. Do I think they will be at the top? I’m not so sure that America is quite ready for that. But I do think that they’ll have a comfortable position.


do truly believe that Big Hit want to have success in America,

BigHit absolutely wants success in America. Who wouldn't? Nobody is above expanding their business especially in the #1 music industry in the world. It's all about money and if they want to continue to grow, they need to take advantage of the opportunities while they're being offered. I absolutely think something bigger is coming for them in America. There's been too many hints about future endeavours that will be happening. Plus, you don't sign onto a US record label just to release 1 song and hire a new PR team and legal representation with impressive resumes for that sole reason either.

I'm currently watching their new Burn the Stage episode. I haven't noticed anything weird yet from the previous 2 that I could point out. Has anyone else watched and noticed anything off?

 

[Maggieca]

how do you guys feel about their new show burn the stage?
I understand they want to show a more "real" side, but having a cemera in front of your face when you are throwing up or just about to pass out is too much

I watched on twitter some scenes that showed Jungkook looking really bad, if I was his parents or part of his family I would feel awkward about this show tbh

 

[Maggieca]

I'm currently watching their new Burn the Stage episode. I haven't noticed anything weird yet from the previous 2 that I could point out. Has anyone else watched and noticed anything off?

lol I just asked the same thing, nothing really sinister about it.
But what I find disturbing is them showing private moments like the Jungkook situation, I guess this is the point of the show in the end but filming him when he is going throught that seems cruel

 

[jewels]

how do you guys feel about their new show burn the stage?
I understand they want to show a more "real" side, but having a cemera in front of your face when you are throwing up or just about to pass out is too much

I watched on twitter some scenes that showed Jungkook looking really bad, if I was his parents or part of his family I would feel awkward about this show tbh

I think they’re trying to create this image of themselves, that is intended on making them appear more like the rest of us. They want to show their vulnerability, their weakness, their struggles so that BTS can have a more human image. That’s what I believe, in a non fan perspective. In a fan perspective, I see it as them sharing themselves with us.

Either way, I think some of the things that are shown are concerning yet interesting. We’ve seen Jungkook (almost) hit by staff, so nothing really surprises me anymore. And to think, that as a fan who attended two days of the tour, that those things could have been happening just feet away make me feel bad.

During my date though, Taehyung had been crying. I won’t say much about his behavior but his behavior was like... He was stand off ish. Then he came back on stage and he had been crying, then he had his hat covering his face for the remainder of the show. I was like.. what the hell, so I wonder if they will mention what made him upset?

 

[Maggieca]

Either way, I think some of the things that are shown are concerning yet interesting. We’ve seen Jungkook (almost) hit by staff, so nothing really surprises me anymore.

oh yeah I remember that
And with Jungkook I always got a weird vibe, I feel like the other members are always praising him because he needs those compliments, while a lot of people think he is cocky I think is the oposite and he needs validation all the time
He joined the company with just 15 years old and I heard he went to america alone with some guy to learn more about dancing when he was a trainee
Cant understand how his parents allowed this? you let your teen son live in another country with some random guy? nothing about the entertainment industry surprises me anymore but i think jungkook went through a lot

 

[MochiAmour]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/981426516981579780

It seems that the CEO of BigHit has sold 25% of the stake in the company to the CEO of Netmarble. For those who don't know, they're cousins.

The Chaebols apparently own a similar percentage in the Netmarble company, so they're all interlinked in some way. Makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes aside from a smart business move. The Bang family seems as though they're making moves to join the league of other high-ranking families in Korea. I'd have to research into this more to see if there's any connections to the elite, which I'm sure there is if you're one of the few insanely wealthy and powerful families in the country. Something bigger seems to be happening..

Anyone have any info on the Chaebols? I'm not familiar with them.

 

[jewels]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/981426516981579780

It seems that the CEO of BigHit has sold 25% of the stake in the company to the CEO of Netmarble. For those who don't know, they're cousins.

The Chaebols apparently own a similar percentage in the Netmarble company, so they're all interlinked in some way. Makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes aside from a smart business move. The Bang family seems as though they're making moves to join the league of other high-ranking families in Korea. I'd have to research into this more to see if there's any connections to the elite, which I'm sure there is if you're one of the few insanely wealthy and powerful families in the country. Something bigger seems to be happening..

Anyone have any info on the Chaebols? I'm not familiar with them.

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His cousin is one of the richest shareholders in South Korea. Wow, that’s impressive. And he is who made BTS’s game? Looks like Bang Pd has some good people on his side lmao.

 

[MochiAmour]

lol I just asked the same thing, nothing really sinister about it.
But what I find disturbing is them showing private moments like the Jungkook situation, I guess this is the point of the show in the end but filming him when he is going throught that seems cruel

The only thing that seems off is the whole Jungkook fainting situation. Now it's not anything out of the ordinary to get sick because of over-exertion, I mean, with their back to back intense choreography and adding in the lights and heat it's what would almost seem expected at some point. Factoring in jet-lag too, it wouldn't seem off.

But the only thing that stuck out to me was when they mentioned how "professional" he was to continue performing as if he wasn't nearly unconscious with an oxygen mask seconds prior. With MK-Ultra, performers have multiple personalities so if they were ever in a situation where one was sick, they could tap into another one to carry on as if nothing happened with the previous one. Imo, he seemed to show those signs. They mentioned how he was literally holding his head up and as soon as they entered the stage, he immediately moved his hands and started clapping as if that's what he was doing the entire time, and finished the show with high energy before collapsing as soon as he got off stage.

 

[tyrab]

BigHit absolutely wants success in America. Who wouldn't? Nobody is above expanding their business especially in the #1 music industry in the world. It's all about money and if they want to continue to grow, they need to take advantage of the opportunities while they're being offered. I absolutely think something bigger is coming for them in America. There's been too many hints about future endeavours that will be happening. Plus, you don't sign onto a US record label just to release 1 song and hire a new PR team and legal representation with impressive resumes for that sole reason either.

I'm currently watching their new Burn the Stage episode. I haven't noticed anything weird yet from the previous 2 that I could point out. Has anyone else watched and noticed anything off?

I didn't see anything strange in the past episodes yet they should how hard they work and how they want to please their fans

 

[MochiAmour]

I dunno, i wouldn't trust too much RM and JHope "fitting in" attitude(Jhope is a good actor, he always tries to "fit in" no matter where), if you look at their facial expressions(i do because i'm biased to them they are my fav) they looks more annoyed than the rest, also JHope is perfectly capable of understanding and talking english (he did so in some fancam), same for Jin and probably V and Suga too, but they avoid it on purpose, pretending to know less than they do.
I'm not saying they don't want success in america, of course they want, but they won't chasing it, they won't change their concept for something they don't consider something long-lasting.
The american fanbase is loyal to americans, not on foreign groups, unless the group is from England/english-speaker-countries(and even like this it's rare stuff), BTS will remain Kpop, even if they will talk in english they can't afford to become something they are not and alienate their strongest and more loyal korean/asian fanbase.
The reason why they avoided the after party in my opinion was not because they don't know english( half of them can totally understand and comunicate) but because they fear americans "celebrities", they are aware they can't trust it, if someone tried to aproach them and took fotos, gossip would start and we know how gossip are serius business in Korea( just look at the totally innocent Suga recent gossip..).
RM and really everyone in BTS are smart, i'm sure RM knows very well that at the moment they are just "easy retweet" matherial in america, most of the fanbase are anyway teenage girls that will move on to the next hot thing soon, if they aimed so much for america they should have done it now or never, but they haven't, they are not risking their loyal fanbase for casual fans.
All their video and Vlive are always in koreans, and JHope didn't even know "hixtape" meaning (doubt he was lying, no reason to do so) showing he never even watch english tweets/tags about him ( and he only thanked the korean tag for his birthday), only RM randomly tweets in english, and not even that often.
If RM is really interested in America(i doubt it ) he'll aim at it after the BTS experiences, not now.
Personally i think like this, we will see with their next comeback if they will have hit songs in america.

The only time RM looked annoyed was when the questions, which are almost always non-music related and are more about their personal lives, were asked on a consistent basis. Anyone would get annoyed at repetitive questions, even Americans do. Factor in they were all tired from constant interviews, you can't expect them to be cheery and bubbly at all times. They also come from the complete opposite time zone so it's natural they'll be exhausted. Anyone at work all day without many breaks would feel the exact same way. It's like watching paint dry when you're doing the same thing over and over.

I wouldn't generalize an American fanbase as being loyal to only Americans. Other foreign acts such as Shakira and Enrique Iglesias are huge over there and always top the charts. Music doesn't have to be only in English to garner huge attention from the general public. Look at PSY who gets tons of radio play whenever he releases something and Despacito was huge as well. People are opening up more and more to other cultures and languages.

The awards shows they attended had pictures of them taken with multiple celebrities, even females. Had they gone to the after-party it would've been no different. So long as they weren't blatantly grinding on someone there would've been no scandal. Not many pay attention to the after parties in America, they only watch the shows.

The fanbase in America is actually a lot older than the one in Korea. If anyone were more likely to move on to the next big thing, it would seem like it would be the younger ones. Older fans have been around longer and know whether they want to invest in something longterm. So to lump a fanbase as "casual fans" can be offensive if they're putting in as much work as their Korean one. They're bigger internationally and they always have been. After all, the reason they've gotten this far from the publicity, acknowledgements, collabs, western awards, global endorsements and the list goes on is because of their international fanbase. If it was mainly their Korean fanbase that was most loyal, they would've never achieved any of that because they aren't considered international to make a huge impact like that on a global scale.

The reason they always tweet and do everything in Korean is because they are Korean. Their international fans know this lol it's no big secret. They also don't demand that they speak English and start making songs solely in English. RM's stated several times he's aware of this and that international ARMY's support them 100% so BTS doesn't feel obligated to try and adapt to the Western mentality of releasing albums and speaking in English. They will always be K-Pop because they are K-Pop and international fans signed up for strictly that.

 

[tyrab]

At 14.00 bts is there:
but there was hardly any bts is his videos usually like this?
That's some crazy stalkers

 

[MochiAmour]

At 14.00 bts is there:
but there was hardly any bts is his videos usually like this?
That's some crazy stalkers

I was honestly expecting a lot more than that. As usual, he used their name for views lol he didn't mention any theories, offer any new insight, nada. I'm so disappointed haha

 

[tyrab]

I was honestly expecting a lot more than that. As usual, he used their name for views lol he didn't mention any theories, nada. I'm so disappointed haha

Yeah it was for the views

 

[MochiAmour]

Isn't Despacito a new song? so we can't talk about loyalty.
Shakira is from south america..same as enrique iglesian (didn't know they had recent songs) but they are spanish speakers and spanish is the only other language that usually can get it in america.
I mean, i talk about this as an outsider, i'm not american and i don't know 90% of the american celebrities (just the ones that are known worldwide), what i see from outside is if a international singer/group hit it big in america (from sweeden/Spain/Germany/Africa/india etc) they don't last more than 2/3 years, and i'm already generous with the years, usually it's even less.
But we can say the same for many american groups after all, because that's the music industry in america, very fast, controlled by elite.
Asian countries on the other hand keep on following their groups unless they get involved in some scandals that ruin their reputation, and generally the home country is more supportive towards their own singers/groups even after their hey-day are over(same for sweeden, spain, italy, germany etc)
We can agree on the "whatever comes " , that's what i think, they are not going to chase the fame in USA but they will be happy if they stay relevant (but i doubt they want to help it by them stay present in USA).
About RM , uh, i don't know, 99% of the questions were about their personal life, i've also read they've been chased by fans in restaurants and from paparazzi, i doubt they liked it , a little attention is nice at the beginning, after a while that craziness can really get on the nerves.
Also don't forget their culture is completely different from america, i myself don't understand america at all, i seriusly don't, so i can only imagine what they think about it.
Anyway we will see, from the new album i see a very mature kpop feel, very distant from the mainstream american sound.

Anyway i wonder, is elite promoting BTS?
So far i've only seen elite trying to milk BTS fame, rather than promoting them.
Or maybe they seriusly took the distance from that world knowing they dodn't want to be involved too much in that?

Spanish and Korean are still different languages that have had huge success in an English speaking market. There is a slow demand for both now that the waters have been tested with great success. You're not going to shove BTS to start promoting in the biggest market were there's no certainty to how it will react despite their large fanbase. But this passed year with their participation in interviews and award shows, it's proved that there's high anticipation wherever they go so now I believe they'll start releasing more things in the American music industry but with a blend of English/Korean, which is essentially what K-Pop is anyways. As I've said in a previous post, they wouldn't have signed onto an American label and hired a heavy hitting legal firm and highly respected PR team if they didn't want to expand in the western market.

Asian fans (no offence- just an observation) have shown to be the most aggressive when it comes to invading their privacy and personal space. Just look at the airport fancams that have shown them trampling on idols and grabbing on them in complete chaos. That's behaviour you don't typically see in America. They even show up to their houses. I'm not talking about all Asian fans either so don't take it personally.

After the Billboards, RM stated in an interview how they really wanted to come back to America and to give them a chance because of how much they wanted to perform and how much they love it there. He had a genuine reaction too and the boys clearly had been crying out of happiness after they won. That doesn't seem like something you would say or do if you didn't want more opportunities offered lol

As for the elite, this next comeback will put many pieces of the puzzle together on their potential involvement, I think.