It is the reason that you cannot denounce incest as wrong (as there is no absolute moral framework to which we ought to adhere), while I can say with certainty that it is a moral and social evil, and objectively wrong.
From an atheist perspective, in order to suggest there is a power imbalance in an act of incest (and that this is the basis on which we ought to condemn it) you would first have to establish:
So you prefer incest is that it? Like I said your damn sick.
That's not even close to what I was saying. Fuck off.
Why does there have to be something jesus said that people don’t like?Incidentally, for years I've been asking atheists and nonchristians what exactly did Jesus say that they don't like, but I've never, ever, had a reply.
Anybody here wanna give it a shot?..
Yeah that’s not true. The Bible is way more then Jesus. There are people who follow Jesus and aren’t “Christians.” You oversimplify thingsWhen I first heard Elvis in the 1950's he blew my socks off and I've liked him ever since and call myself an Elvis fan.
Same with Jesus, the things he said blew my socks off too and I call myself a Christian.
If atheists liked him, they'd call themselves Christians too..
JC in action-
High Priest- "Jesus of Nazareth alias the Christ, the Messiah and the Son of God, you stand accused of upsetting us real bad, how do you plead?"
Jesus- "ON YER BIKE JACK!"
Of course. If you have read the Bible, it's very decent to reject that wayward Rabbi with a God complex.Ah, but do truly decent people reject Jesus?..
Do you follow Jesus?
"the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."
Yeah it was you just won't admit it.......And same to ya...Sick puppy.
There were also ages where people did atrocious things in the name of the christian god, things far worse and on a much grander scale than cheating on one's partner. I'm not saying that atheism is a particularly good tendency, but for many people it's basically just a reaction at seeing the horrors that have taken place justified by particular interpretations of the Bible. In fact many atheists have a heart, they have enough love to be sickened by the things which have taken place with the justification of "it's God's Will". You can talk in hypotheticals and give extreme examples of ideas which could come from a particularly ruthless person who (happens to be) an atheist, it doesn't change the fact that there exist genuinely virtuous and courageous atheists with real love for humanity. Of course the Protestant religion is so distorted that virtue is no longer even something you consider important.
There are also people who have committed unspeakable evils in the name of lust, greed, covetousness, malice, deceit, foolishness, and evil thoughts. I guess I can blame the human heart?
Jesus said to judge him according to the deeds he had done. In the accounts of him he could raise the dead and even generate food to feed thousands out of virtually nothing. The angels would come down to minister to him. Yet you deduce these miracles as to a wayward rabbi with a God complex when it would stand to reason that anyone who could do such feats and claim to be the son of God that got his power from heaven must be something more than just a mere person of insignificance with a complex.
Yeah I get what you're saying, and this is why we need religion. Not to repress evil or anything like that, but to kindle the fire of devotion in the heart. Because the heart is not only darkness, it is also the source of love. Hence any religious process which stirs that devotion is a positive thing, and there is something of it even in those religions which have become separated from their source. In fact if it were not for sectarianism and the notion of "my god is the true god, yours is the false god", then much of the evil done in the name of religion would not have taken place. Nor would there be so many atheists, because there would be nothing to react against.
I am a man of peace as Jesus tells his followers to if possible to be at peace with all men and even love them that spitefully use me and cast my name as evil. There is no need or even legitimate precedence for any evil to be done in the name of Christ as violence is unchristian. The Bible tells us to earnestly contend for the faith and reprove the deeds of darkness, to reprove, rebuke, and exhort with all long suffering and restore someone in error in the spirit of meekness. Paul denounced false gods and doctrines contrary to teaching, but it never led to him perpetrating violence. It was always done so peaceably and using Gods word as the foundation. The evil done in the name of Christ that many will point their finger at is really the evil of man acting according to his own harmful lust.