Are members of the gay community better adjusted, in a moral sense; than homophobes?

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Do you ever have those “is it just me?” moments?

I know this thread is supposed to be pursuing something about the superior morality of gays (or something along those lines) but the very notion of appeal to reason and morality is something that our apostate friend has repeatedly argued against.

Until I hear from him a robust and meaningful account of why mere evolved chemical mixtures holding a smartphone should have any more appeal to reason of ethics than a lettuce I genuinely don’t think he has much to say.

Attacking someone with a borrowed morality is just cheating!
 





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I don’t know that they’re more moral, exactly, but I’ve always felt that the people freaking out the most stridently about it are trying to cover something up. There’s this dude on YouTube, a preacher, who always has the most over the top objections to homosexuality up to and including saying the government should execute them. Dude will go into graphic descriptions of both how gay men have sex, and also about how he wants to kill them, and it’s terrifying. Makes me think he’s been watching gay snuff porn or something. Hopefully someone’s got him on watchlist, if any young men have been going missing in Arizona maybe they should check this guy’s basement. I think he’s up to something.
 





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@JoChris

Do you ever have those “is it just me?” moments?

I know this thread is supposed to be pursuing something about the superior morality of gays (or something along those lines) but the very notion of appeal to reason and morality is something that our apostate friend has repeatedly argued against.

Until I hear from him a robust and meaningful account of why mere evolved chemical mixtures holding a smartphone should have any more appeal to reason of ethics than a lettuce I genuinely don’t think he has much to say.

Attacking someone with a borrowed morality is just cheating!
Sometimes; online when I don't have an idea of the motive behind the question I scratch my head.

Anti-theist monk doesn't have any clear beliefs except what he hates. That alone is what he succeeds in getting across.
 





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Jesus would say that gays are closer to his heart than homophobes, and this shows a higher moral sense in Gays.

I am not gay, but hey, like Jesus; I can tell you homophobes that gays (all) still love you, and hope you get closer to love and Jesus someday.
DL
On a more serious note, bible chapter and verse where Jesus says anything that supports your claim.

Otherwise it is safe to assume that you are making Jesus in your own image.
That gays are closer to your heart than heterosexuals.The only non-heterosexual homophobes (according to modern definition) are closet gays.

If you believe homosexuals are more loving, that Gnostics are more loving than Christians, than why won't you admit you are gay? Most people will accept that these days at least to your face....

[Isn't it easy to let personal speculation lead to wild theories that sound convincing to the undiscerning?]
 





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I don’t know that they’re more moral, exactly, but I’ve always felt that the people freaking out the most stridently about it are trying to cover something up. There’s this dude on YouTube, a preacher, who always has the most over the top objections to homosexuality up to and including saying the government should execute them. Dude will go into graphic descriptions of both how gay men have sex, and also about how he wants to kill them, and it’s terrifying. Makes me think he’s been watching gay snuff porn or something. Hopefully someone’s got him on watchlist, if any young men have been going missing in Arizona maybe they should check this guy’s basement. I think he’s up to something.
Perhaps the more a preacher focuses on an actual sin and not on the Gospel and overcoming that sin, the more the listener should approach that preacher's material with caution?
The bible addresses both. Sin has to be identified (problem), Jesus is the answer (solution).
 





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Perhaps the more a preacher focuses on an actual sin and not on the Gospel and overcoming that sin, the more the listener should approach that preacher's material with caution?
The bible addresses both. Sin has to be identified (problem), Jesus is the answer (solution).
I’ll have to take your word on that, I don’t know all that much about Christianity beyond what I’ve heard from friends and coworkers and the basics of the semester-long world religions class I took in college. I know the original story behind Christmas and Easter though!
 





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I don’t know that they’re more moral, exactly, but I’ve always felt that the people freaking out the most stridently about it are trying to cover something up. There’s this dude on YouTube, a preacher, who always has the most over the top objections to homosexuality up to and including saying the government should execute them. Dude will go into graphic descriptions of both how gay men have sex, and also about how he wants to kill them, and it’s terrifying. Makes me think he’s been watching gay snuff porn or something. Hopefully someone’s got him on watchlist, if any young men have been going missing in Arizona maybe they should check this guy’s basement. I think he’s up to something.
It's obvious that it is personal for him. It's also obvious he has problems. People with problems exist...He shouldn't be a preacher.
 





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Anti-theist monk doesn't have any clear beliefs except what he hates.
Not true. I was able to understand what his general beliefs are since he has explained them numerous times and even posted videos of others with similar beliefs. It's honestly quite apparent, yet somehow many people don't seem to "get it" and end up misrepresenting his beliefs and attacking their own misrepresentation (strawman). I think the reason is that they are automatically insisting upon some broad stereotype so that's exactly what they see instead of seeing that it is nuanced.

The GCB fan club is always so desperate change the subject... hmm I wonder if it's because they don't want to acknowledge what is implied by his questions and would rather attempt deflection to avoid them altogether.
 





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I’ll have to take your word on that, I don’t know all that much about Christianity beyond what I’ve heard from friends and coworkers and the basics of the semester-long world religions class I took in college. I know the original story behind Christmas and Easter though!
There are a lot of Christian apologetics websites or Youtube clips explaining the Gospel (or Good News) that help explain the Gospel message.
Here is an actual Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/basicgospel
I bet there are many more links to explain issues that you want explained further.

Your world religion topic would have had to be very generalised to give equal attention to major religions!
 





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Not true. I was able to understand what his general beliefs are since he has explained them numerous times and even posted videos of others with similar beliefs. It's honestly quite apparent, yet somehow many people don't seem to "get it" and end up misrepresenting his beliefs and attacking their own misrepresentation (strawman). I think the reason is that they are automatically insisting upon some broad stereotype so that's exactly what they see instead of seeing that it is nuanced.

The GCB fan club is always so desperate change the subject... hmm I wonder if it's because they don't want to acknowledge what is implied by his questions and would rather attempt deflection to avoid them altogether.
All he does is cut-and-paste clips from other speakers, several verses out of context from both Bible Gospels and Gnostic Gospels and then heap abuse on people who show how superficial, contradictory, misleading etc they are.

If you are referring to people who out of exasperation won't let him be unchallenged "a fan club" you have got a pretty weird definition there.
We can see he doesn't want to actually discuss the topic, that it is bait to label Christians homophobes, why can't you?
 





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There are a lot of Christian apologetics websites or Youtube clips explaining the Gospel (or Good News) that help explain the Gospel message.
Here is an actual Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/basicgospel
I bet there are many more links to explain issues that you want explained further.

Your world religion topic would have had to be very generalised to give equal attention to major religions!
Yeah, it was pretty general. We spent several days on each one. I can tell you the most basic information about what most people believe, but if you asked me specific questions about anything other than Shinto I’d have a bad time. I could probably tell you slightly more about Christianity and Islam than I could about Wicca for example, because I know Christians and Muslims and they have described their beliefs to me before. I’m always willing to learn more though. What are religions other than us humans’ attempts to understand the truth? Which is something I think we can all agree on regardless of our specific beliefs.

Edit- if this derailed the thread I’m sorry.
 





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All he does is cut-and-paste clips from other speakers, several verses out of context from both Bible Gospels and Gnostic Gospels and then heap abuse on people who show how superficial, contradictory, misleading etc they are.

If you are referring to people who out of exasperation won't let him be unchallenged "a fan club" you have got a pretty weird definition there.
We can see he doesn't want to actually discuss the topic, that it is bait to label Christians homophobes, why can't you?
I take “do no harm” very seriously as a personal motto. Do you also take it seriously, or do you rely on an outside authority figure to tell you your morals? You can’t do both.
 





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Not true. I was able to understand what his general beliefs are since he has explained them numerous times and even posted videos of others with similar beliefs. It's honestly quite apparent, yet somehow many people don't seem to "get it" and end up misrepresenting his beliefs and attacking their own misrepresentation (strawman). I think the reason is that they are automatically insisting upon some broad stereotype so that's exactly what they see instead of seeing that it is nuanced.

The GCB fan club is always so desperate change the subject... hmm I wonder if it's because they don't want to acknowledge what is implied by his questions and would rather attempt deflection to avoid them altogether.
Haven't you heard? An exception was created where it's logical to construct strawman arguments. I'm not kidding either, I read something recently that stated if an argument is unclear then strawmen are logical. Of course, I don't agree with such an exception.

Maybe the point is that a lack of clarity will usually provoke a negative response. But I think we are dealing with a paradox here. For no amount of clarity will take hold over a distorted mind. In that sense, we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

That's why I say the hell with clarity. I'm with GCB on this one. We shouldn't have to act as if we are talking or writing to children. Certain truths should be implied and adults should expect to have to figure stuff out on their own.
 





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I am not surprised that you are laughing at the notion of a man putting women and children first.

You have lost your natural position because of the low quality of male theist thinking and you don't care.

The second century St. Clement of Alexandria wrote: "Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman."

The Church father Tertullian explained why women deserve their status as despised and inferior human beings:

"And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert that is, death even the Son of God had to die."

The sixth century Christian philosopher, Boethius, wrote in The Consolation of Philosophy, "Woman is a temple built upon a sewer."

In the tenth century Odo of Cluny declared, "To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure..."

St. Thomas Aquinas suggested that God had made a mistake in creating woman: "nothing [deficient] or defective should have been produced in the first establishment of things; so woman ought not to have been produced then."

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Well, I like your wording of this post a little bit better.

The problem now is that homophobia isn't as simple as your describing. What I mean is there are different origins for the fear or dislike of homosexuals. For example, some homophobes are attracted to the same sex. So in those cases, the homophobe is just projecting their own unwanted desires.

My concluding thought is simple though. I don't measure labels like this. Because if you are going to measure a person, it should be the whole person.
How you measure is up to you, but if you support a homophobe because you like his other positions, you are contributing to homophobia. No?

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If you are referring to people who out of exasperation won't let him be unchallenged "a fan club" you have got a pretty weird definition there.
I admit that seems miserable and not a very good fan club at all, which is why I didn’t join. At least we both agree that GCB is highly important to the fan club for whatever reason.
 





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Saying that the members of the gay community are better structurated than homophobes is like saying that general humans are better structurated than murderers. I mean, I don't even have words to describe this kind of comparison, because you're comparing a whole person with a single already negative characteristic. I don't know about the rest of your proposals, but at least this first point is very straightfoward
 





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Saying that the members of the gay community are better structurated than homophobes is like saying that general humans are better structurated than murderers. I mean, I don't even have words to describe this kind of comparison, because you're comparing a whole person with a single already negative characteristic. I don't know about the rest of your proposals, but at least this first point is very straightfoward
That vile homophobe characteristic is what the topic is all about. It puts sex above love and shows a flaw in the homophobes thinking.

We should all be trying to help homophobes think better and in a more moral way.

A love based ideology is more moral than a sexual orientation based ideology. Right?

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