Milennials and Socialism

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VigCizMember said:
Young people always lean towards socialism...as you get older, and have kids, and acquire things through hard work over many years - and by things I mean big things like a home, etc...people naturally lean towards conservatism as they don't want to *share* what they busted their a** for - plus as you get older you generally have more responsibilities (kids, family, etc) and family always trumps strangers.

I don't think Millennials will be any different - I mean look at the Baby Boomers - they were all hippies at one time!
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I wouldnt count on it. Baby boomers cam of age in a boom time, things were good, theu were capable of amassing things..

That isnt millenials reality unfortunately. And we can probably blame the boomers for that if we are being honest. That "i got mine" attitude has hurt their kids, is hurting their kids, and not many seem to care.
 
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enderpotato00 said:
Socialism didn't help though.
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1) ypu didnt even read it, couldnt have not nearly wnough time to even glance.

2) u keep changing goalposts, first SOCIALISM CAUSED IT, now WELL IT DIDNT HELP. Please make an argument and stick with it
 
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1) ypu didnt even read it, couldnt have not nearly wnough time to even glance.

2) u keep changing goalposts, first SOCIALISM CAUSED IT, now WELL IT DIDNT HELP. Please make an argument and stick with it
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I'm saying that after reading it, that ok but Socialism didn't help the situation. I still think that it was a cause.
 
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Etagloc said:
I don't think you can go straight from capitalism to communist utopia.

Capitalism- Socialism- Communism
you have to move in stages
Marx was right.

People don't believe him now. Communism is the highet stage of socialism. It is generally accepted that we can move from capitalism to socialism. No one seriously thinks Bernie Sanders was plotting to create death camps. That is silly. The lied about 9/11. They lied about WMDs. I think they lied about Lenin and Mao. But whether or not that's true, the United States wouldn't have a Lenin or a Mao. The US would have a friendly, mild Bernie Sanders type. The US will eventually get some sort of Bernie Sanders type. It will become more acceptable. Socialism will move from its current perception and then people will study Marx, Lenin, Mao, etc. .... what is considered left right now will be considered center and eventually it will appear as conservative
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GreenLantern0061 said:
Where is the of which you speak? This utopia...I'm moving.
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I always laugh about the idea of a "utopia" or some perfect economic system that'll solve all the world's problems. The problems aren't the systems...it's people. Look at the world where like 1% have 85% of the world's wealth - that's the *world* were talking about here...beyond borders...beyond socialists or capitalists or communists. It's not the system - it's people.

We all have two sides to us - one good and one bad - and you need to fight the bad side daily or it'll win every...damn...time. Greed is at the root of most of the world's ills...and that's not due to some economic system being better than another nor is it found in only one country...that's found everywhere.

Socialism is the idea that if you force people to be good (share their stuff), they'll become good. But that's not how it works. There will always be those who abuse the system, or who are lazy, or gluttonous, or greedy, or envious or whatever it may be...and they'll find a way to get ahead or scam others.

Communism is the idea that if you force people to have less somehow they'll be satisfied - that never works.

Capitalism is the idea that the cream rises to the top - the best of the best make it and the rest trickles down...but again, scammers and con artists and the rest rise to the top and get all the cream - and then they like to hold on to it for future generations...but still I'd argue it's the best model because it give people the inherent freedom to "do what thy will" so to speak and not have some regime imposed on them.
 
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If you were guranteed $5k a month and healthcare and you didnt have to do anything for it... what would you do with your life?
 
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enderpotato00 said:
I read it in a few minutes. I got the gist of it. Socialism didn't help either.
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Bro you responded less than a minute after i posted it.. doesnt matter. It just seems you arent open to even entertaining opposite opinions here.

I personally dont think either system is great or can function in its pure form. I just know the way things are right now isnt going to hold much longer..
 
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enderpotato00 said:
Having a pure socialist, communist or even a pure capitalist economy, will never work. You need to have a mix of the two. You can't have a pure system, it will fail eventually.
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Ok thats what your saying now. Great, i agree. But your original argument was much different.
 
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justjess said:
Bro you responded less than a minute after i posted it.. doesnt matter. It just seems you arent open to even entertaining opposite opinions here.

I personally dont think either system is great or can function in its pure form. I just know the way things are right now isnt going to hold much longer..
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I am open its just when you're just saying that "capitalism is evil and exploitive, but socialism is great". Thats not an argument, thats an opinion. And plus Mecca thinks that pure communism will work, that is ignorance thats my problem.
 
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enderpotato00 said:
Be fucking bored, and worthless b/c I didn't do anything to earn it.
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Yeah exactly

See, id work anyway. Part time but id stll work, finally finish my degrees. Cuz id be bored out of my mind not working. 5k a month would not change that for me, but it would definately take a weight off my back without having to worry about basic sustenance. It would make me MORE productive personally. I could spend more time with my kods and actually give 100% to my clients when i work because i wouldnt be torn in half.
 
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enderpotato00 said:
And plus Mecca thinks that pure communism will work, that is ignorance thats my problem.
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It has worked before and people can do it again... in fact we can even improve upon it.

Communism means that the people themselves own the means of production... that's how things used to be until greedy people forcibly stole it away from everyone else.
 
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justjess said:
Yeah exactly

See, id work anyway. Part time but id stll work, finally finish my degrees. Cuz id be bored out of my mind not working. 5k a month would not change that for me, but it would definately take a weight off my back without having to worry about basic sustenance. It would make me MORE productive personally. I could spend more time with my kods and actually give 100% to my clients when i work because i wouldnt be torn in half.
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Why would you just work? Not everyone thinks like you do. But if I'm working for really nothing, but getting my resources anyway, whats the incentive?
 
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