And People Thought Blatant Racism Didn't Exist Anymore

[Lisa]

A communist society would not have a government or a state.

Like in Cuba?

 

[justjess]

Why would it still be a problem? If it doesn’t bother them? I don’t understand that. But, they are the people you are saying are victims of racism, now they can’t be objective sources because they gave their son permission? That’s ridiculous really.

Why would it be a problem if I agree to it, if it doesn’t bother me?

Yes because that boy and his parents who are making money off being paraded arpund degraded represent and dpeak for the entire black race..

Micro vs macro lisa - look it up

 

[Lisa]

Yes because that boy and his parents who are making money off being paraded arpund degraded represent and dpeak for the entire black race..

Micro vs macro lisa - look it up

Well, we are talking about this ad here...

The boy is black, so ergo his parents are black. They let him be in an ad wearing a shirt with monkeys. They had no problem with this in that he is in the ad and wearing the shirt. So, if they aren’t crying racism, why should you?

 

[rainerann]

Trying using your faculties a little better. The third option, and the most likely one, is that the parents didn't know there kid was going to be wearing a sweater labeling him a monkey or they didn't care it was racist because they wanted the MONEY.

As long as you are okay with this same child growing up and seeing that you just said that his own mother put him in the position to be subjected to this discussion because of her own greed, I guess I have nothing more to say on the subject. I think it is distasteful to say that his mother is greedy and that is why she allowed him to be in the ad. Maybe, she genuinely thought he looked cute like I do. He is an absolutely beautiful child. Did you read the article where she commented on this ad? Did you see the pictures of them together? They look like very happy and healthy people.

I think it would be good to consider this young child growing up one day and reading everything people are saying in this thread.

 

[mecca]

Like in Cuba?

No, they have a state and the workers don't own the means of production. Cuba is basically a state dictatorship. General rule, if it has a state, then it's not communist.

 

[mecca]

Therefore, understanding "freedom" should explain how I can choose to boycott a company and still support capatalism

It's just weird because you're boycotting a company for it's capitalist practices but then you're saying that you support capitalism.

 

[Kung Fu]

As long as you are okay with this same child growing up and seeing that you just said that his own mother put him in the position to be subjected to this discussion because of her own greed, I guess I have nothing more to say on the subject. I think it is distasteful to say that his mother is greedy and that is why she allowed him to be in the ad. Maybe, she genuinely thought he looked cute like I do. He is an absolutely beautiful child. Did you read the article where she commented on this ad? Did you see the pictures of them together? They look like very happy and healthy people.

I think it would be good to consider this young child growing up one day and reading everything people are saying in this thread.

^Another case and point folks where closeted racists try to play off their racism by complimenting the very people they hate (says something racist "hey I love black people, my best friend is black"), deflecting on the fact that the ad was racist, and trying to use emotion in order to sway others. I've been saying this for a long time but many whites, especially in the US, hide the fact that they don't like black people or aboriginals and truly believe that they're better than them.

 

[justjess]

This boy and his parents are not representative of the entire black race. They dont have a problem, cool.. plenty of other black people do.

Pay me thousands of dollars to wear a dirty guinea shirt and guess what i probably will especially if i need to pay my rent.

 

[Kung Fu]

Pay me thousands of dollars to wear a dirty guinea shirt and guess what i probably will especially if i need to pay my rent.

This reminds me of this verse (which I personally believe is an interpolation and in no way would the real Jesus ever say this or act like this because I don't believe he was a racist):

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to Him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to Him and urged Him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.” The woman came and knelt before Him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” “Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour. - Matthew 15: 21-28

This woman was so desperate for help that she didn't care that her, her child, and her people were considered dogs and slaves to the Israelites. She acknowledged her kind being a dog and a slave to the Israelites just so she could get her daughter some help. What's really twisted about this verse is that after she acknowledges that her and her kind are dogs and that the Israelites are her masters she's given a pat on the back by Jesus.

 

[Lisa]

No, they have a state and the workers don't own the means of production. Cuba is basically a state dictatorship.

You said

A communist society would not have a government or a state

State dictatorship is still a state is it not?

 

[Lisa]

This reminds me of this verse (which I personally believe is an interpolation and in no way would the real Jesus ever say this or act like this because I don't believe he was a racist):

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to Him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to Him and urged Him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.” The woman came and knelt before Him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” “Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour. - Matthew 15: 21-28

This woman was so desperate for help that she didn't care that her, her child, and her people were considered dogs and slaves to the Israelites. She acknowledged her kind being a dog and a slave to the Israelites just so she could get her daughter some help. What's really twisted about this verse is that after she acknowledges that her and her kind are dogs and that the Israelites are her masters she's given a pat on the back by Jesus.

Lol!

 

[mecca]

You said

State dictatorship is still a state is it not?

A communist society would not have a state... Cuba has a state so it is not communist. If you were asking whether Cuba is communist, I said it is not communist by definition.

State dictatorship is still a state is it not?

Yes, it's certainly a state... what did you mean when you asked me about Cuba?

 

[Lisa]

A communist society would not have a state... Cuba has a state so it is not communist. If you were asking whether Cuba is communist, I said it is not communist by definition.

Yes, it's certainly a state... what did you mean when you asked me about Cuba?

But, I think if you ask the Cubans, they would tell you Cuba is communist. Which is why they used to leave Cuba by the thousands in boats and come to America....

 

[mecca]

But, I think if you ask the Cubans, they would tell you Cuba is communist. Which is why they used to leave Cuba by the thousands in boats and come to America....

Countries claim to be a lot of things that they aren't. What I'm saying is that Cuba is controlled by a state... and a communist government requires the abolishment of the state in favor of the worker's control over the means of production... therefore Cuba is not communist. They have not even fulfilled the basic requirement of communism, worker's ownership.

 

[Lisa]

Countries claim to be a lot of things that they aren't. What I'm saying is that Cuba is controlled by a state and a communist government requires the abolishment of the state in favor of the worker's control over the means of production... therefore Cuba is not communist. They have not even fulfilled the basic requirement of communism, worker's ownership.

Again, the Cubans would disagree with you there...

 

[mecca]

Again, the Cubans would disagree with you there...

How do you know that... are you Cuban? If they understand what communism is then there is nothing to disagree with. If anything, you could consider Cuba "state socialist" but that's still pushing the definition. If we objectively look at Cuba's system of government and objectively look at the definition of communism, they do not align. If the people of Cuba actually controlled their own government and the workers had control over the factories and their workplaces instead of the state, then it would be communist.

 

[Lisa]

How do you know that... are you Cuban? If they understand what communism is then there is nothing to disagree with. If anything, you could consider Cuba "state socialist" but that's still pushing the definition. If we objectively look at Cuba's system of government and objectively look at the definition of communism, they do not align. If the people of Cuba actually controlled their own government and the workers had control over the factories and their workplaces instead of the state, then it would be communist.

There are a lot of vocal Cubans living in Florida...

 

[Damien50]

This reminds me of Degrassi where a white rich girl made a poster of the rival girls volleyball team, calling their school a zoo and had depicted the black female captain as a gorilla.

In this case no one thought it was racist until the black captain said something and even after several individuals explained it to the white girl she was still dismissive of it as if it didn't affect her.

I can see how the ad is racist but OTOH if the parents are anything like me their initial thought probably wasn't that this is offensive. To me, initially, it isn't offensive but it's still a derogatory term for blacks and ultimately does a disservice. The parents could have asked for a different shirt but might not have bothered them, HM somehow didn't see anything wrong with it but that doesn't make it acceptable. It would be like having a white kid with a shirt depicting a cracker, or a black kid with a raccoon and the caption The Coolest Coon.

Personally, I don't find it knee jerk offensive but that doesn't mean it isn't to other people that have actually experienced systematic racism and prejudice or even know what it looks like. I get that there was money involved and that's okay but at the same time, to me, it would be similar to allowing a white person to call me a n***** and while I'm not offended and don't actually care what I'm called my behavior would inadvertently make that white person's behaviour seem acceptable.

 

[justjess]

The wealthy and professional class fled cuba in droves thats true. They werent too keen on losing their privilage.

Thats not to say cuba doesnt have problems but lets atleast be honest


Also this has nothing to do with a racist clothing advertisement.

Did u ever look up micro vs macro?

 

[rainerann]

It's just weird because you're boycotting a company for it's capitalist practices but then you're saying that you support capitalism.

What are you talking about? This is the definition of capitalism. "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market"

I think you don't really understand what capitalism is that you are defining capitalism as a system that encourages outsourcing. Capitalism is the freedom to own and create businesses without requiring state permission or some other form of permission like you would see in communism.

What you describe as communism is actually a free market system where people voluntarily give and are generous to other people. However, communism is a system where the state owns everything and determines what can and cannot be created. Behind this state-owned persona, there is a person or small group of people who decide what can and cannot be produced. It is very similar to the Wizard of Oz. The state is the wizard with a man hiding behind this more intimidating entity.

What you describe where people are more generous is a free market system where people voluntarily recognize where oppression is and respond to it in a way that creates pressure to remove this oppression like I do by not buying clothes from places like H&M.
So these super stars who are complaining about this ad and saying they are going to boycott because of this are responsible for creating this economic system that you envision. In theory, they should already oppose spending money where there is oppression because they have economic power that most people don't.

So for them to have an issue with this company because of an ad like this all of the sudden, is just another example of a trendy social issue that takes advantage of the present breakdown of community. People want to feel a sense of community and these trendy social issues fill that void for whatever reason. Maybe because they are afraid of facing the real oppression that exists and the all of the possibilities the future holds, so they cling to these issues that give them a community to belong with. All the while, they don't realize that the last 40 years of breaking down community and building positive relationships with their neighbors replacing this with different forms of media is why they have the void that they fill with social issues that require facing no real fear.

No one is going to criticize someone for taking a stand against racism. It is the most popular issue and a person becomes popular for just saying they agree with someone who says they disagree with racism. This is because there have been many, many people who have already done the hard work with this issue. People don't want to engage with real issues the way the pioneers of the civil rights movement did, so they band together with these superficial issues that are on the caboose of the history of civil rights.

And it is because of this fear and insecurity that we are missing an opportunity to create real change and move forward. We could be embracing this as an opportunity to say that those labels no longer mean what they did in the past. Instead, we are trying to find protection in a crowd of people who feel comfortable fighting against racism as though they will also be able to find the same glory that so many people have already found for doing so.

Therefore, I also think these people are trying to gain positive attention for themselves for the sake of getting attention, and raising this issue as though it were blatant is entirely a selfish pursuit.