Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence

[Kandy Amemori]

I actually saw it in a fan forum and then someone in this forum also brought that out. If its true that she was not humiliated but she did that for remorse, then maybe its true.
P.s. i just read a ligit blog that stated that minami-san had actually shaved her head in remorse. Yes ur rite.

She was caught dating a guy. The public found out and was outraged by it. Minami basically humiliated herself, shaved her head, and begged for mercy because they caught her dating. In my eyes she humiliated herself before they humiliated her. That's so humiliating to do in front of millions of people and it was all just because she was caught dating a boy. If she didn't humiliate herself she would've gotten shunned, humiliated, and possibly got the boot from AKB48.

 

[Kandy Amemori]

Chaneyols Teaser is spine chilling. From 00.08 to 00.11 you can see extremely gruesome snapshots.
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There's hardly more blatant evidence for the infernality of the KPop-Industry than this...

Those are some really creepy images. Are they trying to give people nightmares before their comeback?

 

[rainerann]

In reading the suicide note, Jonghyun says,
"I asked why I keep forgetting my memories. You told me it was because of my personality. I see. I see that everything is my fault in the end."

That sounds like he is becoming aware of a dissociative disorder. The letter sounds like a conversation he is imagining with a therapist who is trying to reprogram him to think that this awareness is all in his head. It really mirrors classic examples of the same thing from testimonies of other mind controlled victims like Kathleen Sullivan.

When you look at the symbolism and you consider the way it parallels the US pop industry where we have seen breakdowns in Brittany Spears and Amanda Bynes. It would seem logical to conclude that you would see the same thing happen at some point within the Kpop world. However, this appears to be somewhat cohesive in the way it is presented as innocent by the absence of these displays.

I do consider it possible that he was going to break and this was a way to control the damage. You have so many people involved in this, at some point someone is going to break and verge on spilling the beans. This would be a conveinant way to cover this up because the industry is somewhat more controlled than the US pop industry is; however, it is also a lot younger than the US counterpart.

I think that if there is something to be found within Kpop, it will continue revealing itself. It is unfortunate that this man was a victim of this revelation. Twenty-seven is also an age that is characteriscally difficult to control with programming. The conscious mind matures to the point that it becomes difficult to do and so a lot of victims die around this age.

 

[Mirai]

I am not sure yet, but I think Jpop is much less involved with the illuminati then kpop, for obvious reason, that kpop is meant to be famous around the world

It's hard to compare for me, because I know a lot of Japanese music but hardly any Korean music. I can only compare with the screens and videos posted in this thread. There is no doubt that there is a much more in your face approach when it comes to kpop.

As for jpop, I know Kyary Pamyu Pamyu uses a lot of symbolism in her videos. It's hard to miss. But I don't see it as much and blatant with other artists. I see a lot of eye hiding/covering and triangles, but I don't know if that is illuminati light or just for the cool of it.

 

[hyorishthottie]

In reading the suicide note, Jonghyun says,
"I asked why I keep forgetting my memories. You told me it was because of my personality. I see. I see that everything is my fault in the end."

That sounds like he is becoming aware of a dissociative disorder. The letter sounds like a conversation he is imagining with a therapist who is trying to reprogram him to think that this awareness is all in his head. It really mirrors classic examples of the same thing from testimonies of other mind controlled victims like Kathleen Sullivan.

When you look at the symbolism and you consider the way it parallels the US pop industry where we have seen breakdowns in Brittany Spears and Amanda Bynes. It would seem logical to conclude that you would see the same thing happen at some point within the Kpop world. However, this appears to be somewhat cohesive in the way it is presented as innocent by the absence of these displays.

I do consider it possible that he was going to break and this was a way to control the damage. You have so many people involved in this, at some point someone is going to break and verge on spilling the beans. This would be a conveinant way to cover this up because the industry is somewhat more controlled than the US pop industry is; however, it is also a lot younger than the US counterpart.

I think that if there is something to be found within Kpop, it will continue revealing itself. It is unfortunate that this man was a victim of this revelation. Twenty-seven is also an age that is characteriscally difficult to control with programming. The conscious mind matures to the point that it becomes difficult to do and so a lot of victims die around this age.

thank you so much for this because this is exactly what I was saying on youtube on the video truthneversleeps posted about the elites taking him out. Some typical brainwashed knucklehead fan tried to ask where is the "proof" or "evidences" that Jong was close to a break and going to spill the beans. I'm like girl there are no damn evidences cause what the media feeds you is a crafted lie itself.

The media can say two idols are dating when said two idols or actors dont even know each other but the company relations / PR department put them together and they have no choice but to promote the realtionship cycle until whatever crisis is happening dies down. But yeah I think he was either going to come out (sexually or reveal truths about poor treatment in the industry) or try to announce a break from shinee, just something surprising on his end.

A lot of these stars I believe have alter personaltiies or spirits programmed inside of them. I love hyuna but you got her, the gd's, the CL's, so many of them. I don't believe it's purely depression they used that as a cover up cause depression is becoming an acceptable and understandable thing these days worldwide. I really believe if it was that he would have off'd himself or freaked out long ago. I think he knew they were going to publicly humiliate him next with a scandal or try to reprogram him so he took his life cause he'd rather leave than endure it again. Jonghyun was always woke and I think they hated that.

 

[hyorishthottie]

She was caught dating a guy. The public found out and was outraged by it. Minami basically humiliated herself, shaved her head, and begged for mercy because they caught her dating. In my eyes she humiliated herself before they humiliated her. That's so humiliating to do in front of millions of people and it was all just because she was caught dating a boy. If she didn't humiliate herself she would've gotten shunned, humiliated, and possibly got the boot from AKB48.

AKB48 is the worst of them all. Cool girls but they are the epitome of what all the conspiracies are about. I could see if she was caught in some sex scandal or gained a rep for sleeping around or whatever but the fact this industry traps the stars more by no dating and crafts an image to manipulate the fans minds into owning these stars on a mental /emotional level is sick. I wouldn't have humiliated myself I would have...I know it's extreme but I'd legit fake my own death and pick an obscure place to hide out at for a month then escape. Turn over any wealth I gained to people I know nobody can track and start over again.

 

[Mirai]

AKB48 is the worst of them all. Cool girls but they are the epitome of what all the conspiracies are about. I could see if she was caught in some sex scandal or gained a rep for sleeping around or whatever but the fact this industry traps the stars more by no dating and crafts an image to manipulate the fans minds into owning these stars on a mental /emotional level is sick. I wouldn't have humiliated myself I would have...I know it's extreme but I'd legit fake my own death and pick an obscure place to hide out at for a month then escape. Turn over any wealth I gained to people I know nobody can track and start over again.

It's easier to just 'graduate' (which is the term for quitting as an idol). Much easier. Some graduated idols leave from the entertainment industry altogether. It's not a trap.

 

[hyorishthottie]

I bolded what you said that made this whole subject start making a lot more sense to me because I was just having trouble identifying a motive for using South Korea for a while. Then, I realized the motivation a parent would have to sell their child into something like this because of poverty and it all started to click for whatever reason.

I read a little bit on the current economy of South Korea and it looks like it has started to improve to the point that some people are questioning whether there should be international adoption from SK anymore. That would make it seem that South Koreans have a reason to support the role Kpop plays in improving their economy.

There was an article from BBC about the socially acceptable perspective towards the injustice that is present even without a discussion of symbolism. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13760064

It basically says that these kids are enslaved to their contracts. They are like sweatshop superstars, which the general world is starting to see as an injustice because their popularity has increased.

It also says that these stars make basically nothing admitting that everything they do is manufactured. Everything has a cost from the clothes they wear to the person paid to pick out their clothes. It is interesting to me that people can realize that something is so manufactured, but reject the idea that it is designed towards an ideological viewpoint.

I have also found it interesting that so many of the boys are very feminized in light of the admission that this a manufactured industry. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them doubled as prostitutes. I read that many actors and models do this because they can actually make more money in prostitution than they can acting or modeling. It is almost like they are making commercial advertisements for this purpose.

There is definite, pervasive injustice present in this industry. Hopefully, social pressure due to popularity will help change this to some degree.

Damn I got a lot of tea to drop I dropped it long ago here and there on other sites but I'll bold what I want touch on in your responses which are great. Let me see if I can remember it all and sum it all up.

First off about the manufacturing and the cost of everything:

1. Deep down I'm sure everyone knows or can accept the fact (whether they want to or not) that everything has a cost. This reminds me of TLC, a black girl group that was really one of the top girl groups of all time in the 90s aside from Destiny Child. Left Eye (who was a victim of the elites and illuminati herself*) actually broke it down in a video explaining this. To some degree the boy band and girl group industry was very much like the idol industry but without the extreme harsh conditions and complexity. Korea managed to take what happened here and make it 1,000 times more extreme. Now with TLC they were sorta treated like Idol's, not creativity wise, but the same thing happened to them. They worked their asses off on albums, concerts, tours, promotions, everything. When they first formed they made the typical mistake of signing the contract right away and beginning to work. They were working thinking they would make their money towards the end of the entire work cycle and get their funds in checks or whatever. Come to find out they weren't getting any money AT ALL and they began to ask where's the money? When it was payday they got a mimnium maybe under $100 each or hell $25 it was an extremely low number I think (I'll have to link the video back after this*) it was so low of a number me, you or anyone on this forum could make more money than TLC by working at H&M, Chipotle or Macys. That's how poorly they got paid. Left Eye said that their management and label worked them and paid them nothing when the entire list came out it went down like this:
   1. Money was taken out for venues
   2. promoters
   3. staff
   4. their costumes, outfits, designs,
      
   5. styling
   6. their travel
   7. expenses
   8. producing expenses
   9. promotion
   10. album production
       She actually calculated and said they all had to split whatever was leftover after everyone took a piece and chunk out of the money they made, even the head honchos dipped in. Again I don't remember the exact number but it was legit McDonalds to H&M salary kinda money that kids on the street could make within 2 weeks tops.
       
       This lead to them announcing at a press conference at an awards show that they were flat dead broke. Of course the fans and public spun it out of control making it seem like they were just another bunch of reckless girls who blew through the money and were irresponsible so the public nearly turned on them for it while they were trying to explain they were being treated unfairly by the label. Same happened to Tony Braxton I think she filed bankruptcy and everyone turned on her thinking she splurged through it all being a diva when really she wasn't paid and they messed her salary up. This practice of manufacturing has been a long going practice in the 90s. It doesn't happen anymore in the 2000s and especially now. But back then when labels were the main power anyone who was uneducated and easy enough to take advantage of worked for minimum wage but always appeared to be rich.
       
       I also think that while solo's outside of a group were never a trend and thought of even if it could happen it rarely did cause it'd probably come out of the singers own pocket or salary that they'd have to contribute (or indirectly do so) to make happen. Left Eye actually brought up the concept of a single singer within the group taking a period to release her own album as a solo while still being in the group. She wanted to do a solo project and challenged the other girls to it (a bit of a short lived inner rivarly she had with them). That's basically what happens in korea now. America will never top korea at least not anytime soon if they don't adopt this mentality. In America that's a weird concept. Like Zayn could easily have released mind of mine album and stayed with One D having at least a year to himself to promote this. But instead he had to leave cause his style and wants would conflict with 1D's image, even if he could have done it, it would have failed cause he'd be taking on a different more mature concept. In kpop while the industry is fucked solo stars at least allowed to have a concept different to the group during a solo promotion (i.e hyuna vs 4minute. seungri's style vs bigbang etc etc). But I always try to accept that america doesnt run like korea and as much as I'd like america to adopt this concept it won't happen cause "comebacks" which are just new album releases take a lot of time and it keeps going it doesn't just end and become a note on the shelf. If America can find a way to balance this and allow break out stars in groups to do this they may get closer to gaining a piece of what makes kpop so addictive.
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2. Not too much to about the enslavement but like my TLC example they were very demure versions of slaves. If they all or at least one said they wanted to leave and tried to they'd have to go through hell to do so, but could. Just would be out of the group with not much left. Idols leaving groups its a damn battle field and much harder.
   

the stars do double as prostitutes. Again on another site I think netizeenbuzz, one fan tried to pick a fight with me because I said Hyeri took one for the team and dated Tony Ahn to help move the group ahead, giving me typical fan reaction acting like I said Hyeri gave the dude multiple blows for a come up, when in reality she probably just dated him escort / arranged realtionship style. Escort style dating is common there and it happens for new comers as well as some seasoned stars. But yeah actors really do prostitute or sell their bodies sexually. Now I forgot his name, but I hope I'm getting it right Seo Ha Joon the guy who got into that scandal being humiliated when his nude web cam was leaked showing him masturbating naked in bed and chatting with someone. It actually was not a leak at all! I was dumbfounded by how easily the public both korean and american gobbled it up believing that it was leaked and believing that he was sharing this with a private partner or someone he was hooking up with. This video was not between a lover, hook up, or someone Ha Joon was seeing at all. It was actually a video to send to a sponsor that he had to do in order to move to the next part of his career. I pieced similarities together from each actor leaked web cam and its obvious they made these masturbation sex cams for sponsors as auditions. (Yes I watched it but I noticed something was off so I kept watching trying to study everything I could so the more I watched the less I cared about the obvious stuff*) Kinda like how in America women have the casting couch where they sleep with someone for a role, these guys have to jerk off for it and impress to get opportunities. It will be for female sponsors but often times Male sponsors. They are talked to and literally verbally walked through the process of it all by the sponsors. They are asked questions and told to wear an audition uniform. Which is usually a very plain clothing black white or gray and red underwear. They are told to flex their right arm, not be too imitate and just very standard. They have to show that they can get hard and their size when fully erect masturbating to the point of cumming. Everyone is blinded by the mass media lie that seo ha joon and all the other actors got their stuff leaked doing this with someone they trusted, which is true, but this was all sponsor ritual they had to go through the get a bigger break to get on establish actors level or get a role in a popular drama. There is no intimacy, connection, normal body language or conversation that suggest a regular woman released it. They often times have to let the cum be visible or show it to the sponsor like Ha Joon did. He was being subjected to a sexual test and being judged as such, that's their versions of casting couch although I am sure literal sex happens as well. G.NA the solo signer with a large bust and nice body who had a few hits was caught prostituting and had went away for a long time. But I don't blame her since she never made it big and needed cash from somewhere. Her case is the need of the money possibly cause she was use to her lifestyle already or was going broke. But yeah I ended up watching more similar videos to seo ha joon and another actor had the exact same format as Ha joon's video. Only difference is Ha Joon's might seem enjoyable to watch and less textbook because

1. A.) His looks.
   
2. B.) His intimacy and presence (he didn't look shook or hollow, he smiled at times, was engaging with whoever he chatted with, had a scene of appeal to when he did simple things like the mandatory muscle flex.)
3. His camera positioning. (Another actor who was a part of this scandal with a vid of his own had his camera positioned on a desk a bit far from him, his presence was very stale and not engaging at all, literally looked like he was doing what he was told like someone was expecting him to do these acts a particular way. Poor body language and a bland expression. Camera didn't move at all)
4. Ha Joon's was in a bed while the other guys seemed to theirs textbook desk style or room style that was cluttered. Because Seo Ha Joon video was done on a bed very upclose and his entire interaction seemed relaxed with a hint of eagerness to impress someone that makes the public automatically see it in a very embarrassing but understandable way. Believe it or not there are little things and also big things that contribute psychology to how people perceive these things.
5. At one point he did take the camera off himself but it was probably cause he did not want to full on cum on the video like the other guy did.
   
6. He made direct interaction even bringing the camera up to his face speaking with whoever he was talking to, so that added to it appearing to be between a girlfriend or whoever he might have been "Seeing" at the time.
7. Because of his looks I think this added to fans subconsciously thinking he just made a pretty boy airhead mistake and he possibly not capable of thinking to do this for professional gain aside from sexual / romantic.
   
8. He appeared to be the only guy wearing an accessory, a gold cross around his neck (which I lol'd at, but it made him hotter I guess)

So thats that on the webcam thing. I'm not sure if this is a humiliation ritual for him before he can blow up later or if he did something that upset the sponsor and caused him (mostly a man, but I'll be fair and say a woman) to leak it. Seo was smart enough to cooly play it off and then accept what happened in the manner he did. Any of the others would have caved and crumbled in a typical reflection please forgive me kind of reaction. Everyone was somehow mentioning kim kardashian comparing him to her. Some said that if he can get successful later on then by all means go ahead which I agree with. I havent heard anything else from seo ha joon he disappeared. Seems like he went away as fast as he came. If he was in America he would have had mad deals by now and moving up. Funny enough when things happen like this to people like him or kim k no matter what you think of them, they have pleasant personalities that are tolerable in the industry. I think he in the wrong industry if he knew english he could do something over here in America. he'd on the level of every other asian actor but it'd be more than what hes getting in Korea.

Korea needs to stop this bs commending people over crap this when behind the scenes a lot of horrific sex work is happening. As for the female idols they've had sponsors too not all but a few of them I'm sure. Sponsors help you get endorsements (CF's) appearances, gigs or spots on shows, article (media play) even a comeback or some money investment. Tyler Kwon was Jessica's sponsor but he fell in love with her and gave her that company, so congrats to sis. But yeah as for the hyeri spinet I mentioned once, there were many girl groups with promise like girls day who flopped and disappeared into oblivion. Hyeri did what she had to do but I am sure they liked each other generally, tony wasnt a sleezy sponsor and respects her. If minah didn't force her cute image and hyeri dating tony ahn aside from sojin's vocals that group would have flopped or been more nugu than it already was.

Also I would not put it above CL to have slept with YG or his brother at some point actually she was almost pregnant by one of them. I'm sure she either aborpted it or did some type of plan B on it to get rid of the situation quickly. Aside from whatever his reasoning is have you all ever thought of why CL was and still is his strongest favorite aside from GD? CL has had a beyond professional realtionship with him. I don't think it persist anymore. CL not going to be able to attach herself to men or people in general anymore to get ahead so whatever she does in the future is solely on her aside from Yg influence unless she goes back to America.* YG is such a pervert and is not above paying flirty or sexual attention to women. a creep at best, a bit worse than JYP.

When you get to GD's level or at least top tier of course you're still to contract but you have more leverage you may even be used for propaganda and to further some agendas through scandals. I don't have anything else to share at the moment but if I remember anything I'll add it.​

 

[hyorishthottie]

It's easier to just 'graduate' (which is the term for quitting as an idol). Much easier. Some graduated idols leave from the entertainment industry altogether. It's not a trap.

Yes you can leave it's very easy to leave but you have to think of all the idols who "Graduated" and their statuses. Suppose Taehyung or Rap Monster wanted to randomly graduate the group within 2 weeks of this month out of the blue? No way would that happen, at least not so fast. Those are usually played out has been idols who are past the peak of their career and the portion of where their group mattered and was needed. Like after school girls. It's easy to graduate from groups like that. If an SNSD girl wants to graduate now they can but they couldnt do that during Gee or The Boys era for sure. I see graduation for groups that aren't under the pressure microscope or doing too much in the industry for their presence to be needed. If you leaving the group isn't a set back then you can graduate. EXO is sorta hard t judge they should have been where BTS is but are under them overall but still beasts with their brand value. If one of them wanted to graduate they most likely may be able to. But they might have to get through some legal processes if they want to graduate before the fulfill contract obligations and expiration. You know all the such.

some idols leave the industry scotch free. But it is a trap underneath it all for the ones who are solidified in the industry. If it wasn't..god forgive me for saying this, Jonghyun could have made a break for it and graduated or announced he was trying to leave Shinee. I think what kills me about his death the most is that he never attempted to leave or there was never any sign of it. But then again he loved his music and I guess him staying was better than trying to leave especially with his bonds with SHinee. Jonghyun may he rest in peace. All forms of depression are different. But if I were to ever be an idol and be in a terrible mental and emotional state like that I'd try to run so many times you'd see so many articles about me trying to leave. Yeah it's a hard hit to the industry but I'd rather fight for some freedom to see if I can make it and live on than stay and you know what else happens. I'm just glad Jonghyun is at rest and I hope SHinee can recover. But I think SM groups need to take this graduation option and run for the hills from now on. But I don't see it happening in today's day and age.

If it wasn't at least a trap in some areas why hasn't T.O.P left yet? T.O.P is the most obvious idol who is tired of idol life hell even tired of celebrity life and would rather quit the group and regain some privacy. He always looked like he was half done with the group back during before and during M.A.D.E. Top scandal was a mess since YG tried to force him into a marriage and dating scandal which he refused like the plague and looked what happened. It may not be a literal trap but what I mean is this industry can be a MENTAL trap. I'm sorry but if it's not a trap then why do we have so many messed up celebrities who are carrying on as if they can't simply up and leave? Slave contracts are literal slave contracts not just with your employment there but they own your likeness and your brand and to some extent with this company fanfare happening they company owns a piece of you figuratively. I don't know if TOP is staying out of some moral obligation or comfortableness or if YG threaten him, the ability to have some scandal protection (which is ironic since they caused him to spiral out of control in that scandal*) or cause he can't leave. I have yet to see anyone from YG in a major mainstream group of this current age leave on their own that freely. Minzy not there but 2ne1 got the kick and YG did not care about her. If CL had some beef and wanted to leave then it'd be a storm ready to happen.

TOP should "Graduate" asap before he is actually successful in his attempt for the last time then it's jonghyun allover again but worse. I really believe TOP will not leave unless his mother demands he gets the hell out and confronts YG about it or YG suddenly loosens up and allows him to go, but I see recently he is promoting this bigbang 5 trying to push top to comeback so ole dude is stuck unless this is what he himself wants.

Most of these idols that graduated came from the 1st or 2nd gen when the industry was different. Korea banks on this idol music and the idol industry needs these people more than ever, although I'm sure if it's more of a cost to them than benefit they will cut the stars and catch freshmeat.

Nobody is chained up but I feel like it's complicated for them, so complicated it's like a trap.

 

[hyorishthottie]

Is that your own life story in the last paragraph you wrote? I'm sorry i just had curiousity for what happened in your life.
If you want to share some story, you can send me email to fristitass@gmail.com. i'm not tryin to look like a good person, but i wish i could help you.

lmao dude you don't have to troll if you don't like what I said. but thanks for the attention though, please stfu and move on if you don't like it. it's nice to see pleasant trolls around. I know exactly what I'm saying and I meant what I said. Wouldn't that make more sense than humiliating yourself before your company CEO humiliates you if you're stuck in the entertainment industry where this is the norm and it could be your entire career on the line. Not to mention your livelihood. Cause I think a lot of fans forget that if they get close to a scorn or punishment and had to leave the industry on horrible terms it's the equivalent of nearly becoming jobless and mid homeless (depending on how much money the star has saved from their cut of the profit percentage.).

I'm sorry but you all need to think of life as something worth living. I don't give a damn how crazy it sounds you have more of a chance of survival if you drop everything and leave the industry as a hurt artist. This girl should have did that. Also many north koreans that escape do simialr stuff. Anyways this girl had a million ways to get out of there but I understand her frame of mind was fear of the dating backlash. An american artist would have a harder time leaving and starter over if they look recognizable like taylor swift or justin bieber but anyone in AKB48 can have more chance to just leave the industry and change their name going to a new asian country living normally.

 

[Thoughts]

Yes you can leave it's very easy to leave but you have to think of all the idols who "Graduated" and their statuses. Suppose Taehyung or Rap Monster wanted to randomly graduate the group within 2 weeks of this month out of the blue? No way would that happen, at least not so fast. Those are usually played out has been idols who are past the peak of their career and the portion of where their group mattered and was needed. Like after school girls. It's easy to graduate from groups like that. If an SNSD girl wants to graduate now they can but they couldnt do that during Gee or The Boys era for sure. I see graduation for groups that aren't under the pressure microscope or doing too much in the industry for their presence to be needed. If you leaving the group isn't a set back then you can graduate. EXO is sorta hard t judge they should have been where BTS is but are under them overall but still beasts with their brand value. If one of them wanted to graduate they most likely may be able to. But they might have to get through some legal processes if they want to graduate before the fulfill contract obligations and expiration. You know all the such.

some idols leave the industry scotch free. But it is a trap underneath it all for the ones who are solidified in the industry. If it wasn't..god forgive me for saying this, Jonghyun could have made a break for it and graduated or announced he was trying to leave Shinee. I think what kills me about his death the most is that he never attempted to leave or there was never any sign of it. But then again he loved his music and I guess him staying was better than trying to leave especially with his bonds with SHinee. Jonghyun may he rest in peace. All forms of depression are different. But if I were to ever be an idol and be in a terrible mental and emotional state like that I'd try to run so many times you'd see so many articles about me trying to leave. Yeah it's a hard hit to the industry but I'd rather fight for some freedom to see if I can make it and live on than stay and you know what else happens. I'm just glad Jonghyun is at rest and I hope SHinee can recover. But I think SM groups need to take this graduation option and run for the hills from now on. But I don't see it happening in today's day and age.

If it wasn't at least a trap in some areas why hasn't T.O.P left yet? T.O.P is the most obvious idol who is tired of idol life hell even tired of celebrity life and would rather quit the group and regain some privacy. He always looked like he was half done with the group back during before and during M.A.D.E. Top scandal was a mess since YG tried to force him into a marriage and dating scandal which he refused like the plague and looked what happened. It may not be a literal trap but what I mean is this industry can be a MENTAL trap. I'm sorry but if it's not a trap then why do we have so many messed up celebrities who are carrying on as if they can't simply up and leave? Slave contracts are literal slave contracts not just with your employment there but they own your likeness and your brand and to some extent with this company fanfare happening they company owns a piece of you figuratively. I don't know if TOP is staying out of some moral obligation or comfortableness or if YG threaten him, the ability to have some scandal protection (which is ironic since they caused him to spiral out of control in that scandal*) or cause he can't leave. I have yet to see anyone from YG in a major mainstream group of this current age leave on their own that freely. Minzy not there but 2ne1 got the kick and YG did not care about her. If CL had some beef and wanted to leave then it'd be a storm ready to happen.

TOP should "Graduate" asap before he is actually successful in his attempt for the last time then it's jonghyun allover again but worse. I really believe TOP will not leave unless his mother demands he gets the hell out and confronts YG about it or YG suddenly loosens up and allows him to go, but I see recently he is promoting this bigbang 5 trying to push top to comeback so ole dude is stuck unless this is what he himself wants.

Most of these idols that graduated came from the 1st or 2nd gen when the industry was different. Korea banks on this idol music and the idol industry needs these people more than ever, although I'm sure if it's more of a cost to them than benefit they will cut the stars and catch freshmeat.

Nobody is chained up but I feel like it's complicated for them, so complicated it's like a trap.

Interesting, I didnt know that Tyler kwon was jessicas sponsor. I also thought hyeri dating tony an was odd. Btw how do you know all this stuff?

 

[Tisane]

I bolded what you said that made this whole subject start making a lot more sense to me because I was just having trouble identifying a motive for using South Korea for a while. Then, I realized the motivation a parent would have to sell their child into something like this because of poverty and it all started to click for whatever reason.

I read a little bit on the current economy of South Korea and it looks like it has started to improve to the point that some people are questioning whether there should be international adoption from SK anymore. That would make it seem that South Koreans have a reason to support the role Kpop plays in improving their economy.

There was an article from BBC about the socially acceptable perspective towards the injustice that is present even without a discussion of symbolism. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13760064

It basically says that these kids are enslaved to their contracts. They are like sweatshop superstars, which the general world is starting to see as an injustice because their popularity has increased.

It also says that these stars make basically nothing admitting that everything they do is manufactured. Everything has a cost from the clothes they wear to the person paid to pick out their clothes. It is interesting to me that people can realize that something is so manufactured, but reject the idea that it is designed towards an ideological viewpoint.

I have also found it interesting that so many of the boys are very feminized in light of the admission that this a manufactured industry. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them doubled as prostitutes. I read that many actors and models do this because they can actually make more money in prostitution than they can acting or modeling. It is almost like they are making commercial advertisements for this purpose.

There is definite, pervasive injustice present in this industry. Hopefully, social pressure due to popularity will help change this to some degree.

The rags-to-riches narrative for several idols is very common.

Jonghyun (Shinee) he came from a single, working mother home.

Yunho (DBSK) has mentioned poverty several times, right down to a time when he was even homeless in-between gigs trying to get $$ for his home (and remember, he was with SM in his teens...)

LeeTeuk (Super Junior) has mentioned his family was always in debt and strapped for cash, and he was/is responsible for their cash flow,

Actor (who even hosted music bank or inkigayo for a time before starring in a few really great roles), Park Bo-gum, has also mentioned his severe poverty state and abusive household - right down to even getting a restraining order against his father. The latest is pure public mess between the father and son, and claims of PBG in a cult.

There are a lot more. The typical age for trainees are early to mid teens. Some like

GD - BIg Bang's frontman and ...forgetting her name,

Minzy formerly of 2EN1, Jessica (former girls generation)'s sister

Crystal in the now defunct (right?) fx, Taemin, Changmin, etc all started painfully early. If you look at their schedules, rarely are they allowed to go home (maybe 2x a year), and parental oversight is replaced by managers, whose paychecks are already tallied onto the trainees/talents - they're already knee-deep in debt and it only grows. Perks, (cars, houses, etc) are given to successful acts, but under the company name.
on the youth/ younger is better (so it would seem, esp looking at crotch-orientated choreographies by veteran groups like

Shinhwa), but they do push both beauties and "beasts" (to phrase it like JYP's description of 2pm....) The age range is referred to as the flower of youth, and you can find men referring to themselves like that.

finally.. I always thought Rain/Bi (another rags-to-riches story, where he never had enough to eat and he overworked his mother while he went out practicing dance....) was a high-priced gigolo & his handler was JYP. When Rain started getting international acclaim (asian first) JYP went everywhere with him. When you wanted raw footage (regardless if it was stepping down from a private jet or at a press conference), JYP spoke for him, and answered all questions addressed to Rain/Bi (bi which means rain in korean, btw). JYP treated rain like a muscle-ridden toy dog tucked under his arm.... and then Rain started wiggling his backside on command - everywhere, like it was cute!

For his "American Debut" coming over to Carson Daly's TRL in 2006/7, Carson asked rain to do a dance which he turned around and slowly swung his backside back and forth, as he looked over his shoulder, smiling in front of the camera - and that was it!!!

Apparently Rain is trying to show he's not an ajusshi (uncle/ title for an old"er" man - one step away from grandpa) by pushing his new album and look what he does here at 34:48

Obviously whatever he does with that backside is the key to his success.

 

[hyorishthottie]

Interesting, I didnt know that Tyler kwon was jessicas sponsor. I also thought hyeri dating tony an was odd. Btw how do you know all this stuff?

Hyeri and Tony seem nice to each other. She really lucked out with a good guy to be her sponsor. If Tony truly wasn't a sponsor then she did go into it with some intention of gaining media attention to get the word out. You date to get attention to boost yourself or get the word out but once you are established you can't date unless certain actors come into play or you're like old enough and a legend already.

Yeah at first I did not know either but if you really pay attention and piece all the information together it becomes obvious that Tyler was her sponsor and this is more than some kanye west splurging type of love. It's not impossible for someone to love you that much and make your dreams come true, but within her case he had to have been a sponsor. If not for funds just for the fun of it, which happens. Some wealthy businessmen date idols cause it's a good boost and nice to tell their friends.

Honestly anyone can know what I know if you just pay attention to things and not think about what the media is giving you int he way you want to. Like for example dating scandals everyone and their lil sis wants to discredit them until "proof" is shown. Some dating scandals are dumb and out of place but 90% of the time if a dating scandal between a and b happens it either really did happen or the company is pulling strings cause that star needs to attention or it is a marketing plan in correspondence to some PR plan. PR is a thing in korea I am puzzled as to how people don't stop to think about it. I'm noticing some fans act like korea is a magical land where they think it's not a business 100%. I know cause I do research, I've always kept an eye on the industry inner workings from a young age, I do a bit of trend forecasting (studying the trends of whats happening) and it's a lot of other stuff. I don't sit here and do it like literally but over the years it's come natural. Also want to add:

If you watch k-dramas I encourage you to at least watch the ones that are somewhat creative and have crime themes or drama themes. I think people overlook the fact K-Dramas are sorta like feeding you tid bits of what the industry is truly like. Like You who came from the stars when that girl Song Yi (jun ji hyun) got manipulated by that youtube video being posted and showing her in a bad light when what was recorded wasnt truly what happened - stuff like that happens. These dramas show you in the ins and outs of how the industry really does things it's like sorta how the Simpsons tells you what is going to happen in the country but we all ignore it until it happens. Predictive programming.

it's like learning a language I'd say. Some people have it and some don't. While some people can learn easily and some take a while longer. Plus I'm not a psychic or clairvoyant I won't pretend like I see things but you all have to pay attention to what these readers say and share about these stars. A lot of them are spot on most of the time and you can find out a lot about whats happening through spirituality and readings as well. Many ways to read celebrities and tell alot about them. I only predicted one thing that has happened and that is CL's stupid taxi shoe scandal the one where she put her shoes up on the glass of a taxi cab and the fans got mad at her for it. I saw that happening myself before it actually occurred, I just didn't get to see the styling of the show color wise but I knew she'd do it. There are many ways to find out things without the usual sites although I take into consideration what some of them say.

Also I am debating on whether I'll get into the industry or not. If I do give it a try and become mildly successful, I'll be keeping contacts and really digging in to see whats up. These saseang fans in korea they are a whole different level they probably know their idol's medical records and what they ate for dinner last night through stalking methods. So long as you don't harm your idol and respect them any way you can find out info is okay, just respect them.

I hope this helps =)

 

[Tisane]

Damn I got a lot of tea to drop I dropped it long ago here and there on other sites but I'll bold what I want touch on in your responses which are great. Let me see if I can remember it all and sum it all up.

First off about the manufacturing and the cost of everything:

1. Deep down I'm sure everyone knows or can accept the fact (whether they want to or not) that everything has a cost. This reminds me of TLC, a black girl group that was really one of the top girl groups of all time in the 90s aside from Destiny Child. Left Eye (who was a victim of the elites and illuminati herself*) actually broke it down in a video explaining this. To some degree the boy band and girl group industry was very much like the idol industry but without the extreme harsh conditions and complexity. Korea managed to take what happened here and make it 1,000 times more extreme. Now with TLC they were sorta treated like Idol's, not creativity wise, but the same thing happened to them. They worked their asses off on albums, concerts, tours, promotions, everything. When they first formed they made the typical mistake of signing the contract right away and beginning to work. They were working thinking they would make their money towards the end of the entire work cycle and get their funds in checks or whatever. Come to find out they weren't getting any money AT ALL and they began to ask where's the money? When it was payday they got a mimnium maybe under $100 each or hell $25 it was an extremely low number I think (I'll have to link the video back after this*) it was so low of a number me, you or anyone on this forum could make more money than TLC by working at H&M, Chipotle or Macys. That's how poorly they got paid. Left Eye said that their management and label worked them and paid them nothing when the entire list came out it went down like this:
   1. Money was taken out for venues
   2. promoters
   3. staff
   4. their costumes, outfits, designs,
      
   5. styling
   6. their travel
   7. expenses
   8. producing expenses
   9. promotion
   10. album production
       She actually calculated and said they all had to split whatever was leftover after everyone took a piece and chunk out of the money they made, even the head honchos dipped in. Again I don't remember the exact number but it was legit McDonalds to H&M salary kinda money that kids on the street could make within 2 weeks tops.
       
       This lead to them announcing at a press conference at an awards show that they were flat dead broke. Of course the fans and public spun it out of control making it seem like they were just another bunch of reckless girls who blew through the money and were irresponsible so the public nearly turned on them for it while they were trying to explain they were being treated unfairly by the label. Same happened to Tony Braxton I think she filed bankruptcy and everyone turned on her thinking she splurged through it all being a diva when really she wasn't paid and they messed her salary up. This practice of manufacturing has been a long going practice in the 90s. It doesn't happen anymore in the 2000s and especially now. But back then when labels were the main power anyone who was uneducated and easy enough to take advantage of worked for minimum wage but always appeared to be rich.
       
       I also think that while solo's outside of a group were never a trend and thought of even if it could happen it rarely did cause it'd probably come out of the singers own pocket or salary that they'd have to contribute (or indirectly do so) to make happen. Left Eye actually brought up the concept of a single singer within the group taking a period to release her own album as a solo while still being in the group. She wanted to do a solo project and challenged the other girls to it (a bit of a short lived inner rivarly she had with them). That's basically what happens in korea now. America will never top korea at least not anytime soon if they don't adopt this mentality. In America that's a weird concept. Like Zayn could easily have released mind of mine album and stayed with One D having at least a year to himself to promote this. But instead he had to leave cause his style and wants would conflict with 1D's image, even if he could have done it, it would have failed cause he'd be taking on a different more mature concept. In kpop while the industry is fucked solo stars at least allowed to have a concept different to the group during a solo promotion (i.e hyuna vs 4minute. seungri's style vs bigbang etc etc). But I always try to accept that america doesnt run like korea and as much as I'd like america to adopt this concept it won't happen cause "comebacks" which are just new album releases take a lot of time and it keeps going it doesn't just end and become a note on the shelf. If America can find a way to balance this and allow break out stars in groups to do this they may get closer to gaining a piece of what makes kpop so addictive.
2. Not too much to about the enslavement but like my TLC example they were very demure versions of slaves. If they all or at least one said they wanted to leave and tried to they'd have to go through hell to do so, but could. Just would be out of the group with not much left. Idols leaving groups its a damn battle field and much harder.

the stars do double as prostitutes. Again on another site I think netizeenbuzz, one fan tried to pick a fight with me because I said Hyeri took one for the team and dated Tony Ahn to help move the group ahead, giving me typical fan reaction acting like I said Hyeri gave the dude multiple blows for a come up, when in reality she probably just dated him escort / arranged realtionship style. Escort style dating is common there and it happens for new comers as well as some seasoned stars. But yeah actors really do prostitute or sell their bodies sexually. Now I forgot his name, but I hope I'm getting it right Seo Ha Joon the guy who got into that scandal being humiliated when his nude web cam was leaked showing him masturbating naked in bed and chatting with someone. It actually was not a leak at all! I was dumbfounded by how easily the public both korean and american gobbled it up believing that it was leaked and believing that he was sharing this with a private partner or someone he was hooking up with. This video was not between a lover, hook up, or someone Ha Joon was seeing at all. It was actually a video to send to a sponsor that he had to do in order to move to the next part of his career. I pieced similarities together from each actor leaked web cam and its obvious they made these masturbation sex cams for sponsors as auditions. (Yes I watched it but I noticed something was off so I kept watching trying to study everything I could so the more I watched the less I cared about the obvious stuff*) Kinda like how in America women have the casting couch where they sleep with someone for a role, these guys have to jerk off for it and impress to get opportunities. It will be for female sponsors but often times Male sponsors. They are talked to and literally verbally walked through the process of it all by the sponsors. They are asked questions and told to wear an audition uniform. Which is usually a very plain clothing black white or gray and red underwear. They are told to flex their right arm, not be too imitate and just very standard. They have to show that they can get hard and their size when fully erect masturbating to the point of cumming. Everyone is blinded by the mass media lie that seo ha joon and all the other actors got their stuff leaked doing this with someone they trusted, which is true, but this was all sponsor ritual they had to go through the get a bigger break to get on establish actors level or get a role in a popular drama. There is no intimacy, connection, normal body language or conversation that suggest a regular woman released it. They often times have to let the cum be visible or show it to the sponsor like Ha Joon did. He was being subjected to a sexual test and being judged as such, that's their versions of casting couch although I am sure literal sex happens as well. G.NA the solo signer with a large bust and nice body who had a few hits was caught prostituting and had went away for a long time. But I don't blame her since she never made it big and needed cash from somewhere. Her case is the need of the money possibly cause she was use to her lifestyle already or was going broke. But yeah I ended up watching more similar videos to seo ha joon and another actor had the exact same format as Ha joon's video. Only difference is Ha Joon's might seem enjoyable to watch and less textbook because

1. A.) His looks.
   
2. B.) His intimacy and presence (he didn't look shook or hollow, he smiled at times, was engaging with whoever he chatted with, had a scene of appeal to when he did simple things like the mandatory muscle flex.)
3. His camera positioning. (Another actor who was a part of this scandal with a vid of his own had his camera positioned on a desk a bit far from him, his presence was very stale and not engaging at all, literally looked like he was doing what he was told like someone was expecting him to do these acts a particular way. Poor body language and a bland expression. Camera didn't move at all)
4. Ha Joon's was in a bed while the other guys seemed to theirs textbook desk style or room style that was cluttered. Because Seo Ha Joon video was done on a bed very upclose and his entire interaction seemed relaxed with a hint of eagerness to impress someone that makes the public automatically see it in a very embarrassing but understandable way. Believe it or not there are little things and also big things that contribute psychology to how people perceive these things.
5. At one point he did take the camera off himself but it was probably cause he did not want to full on cum on the video like the other guy did.
   
6. He made direct interaction even bringing the camera up to his face speaking with whoever he was talking to, so that added to it appearing to be between a girlfriend or whoever he might have been "Seeing" at the time.
7. Because of his looks I think this added to fans subconsciously thinking he just made a pretty boy airhead mistake and he possibly not capable of thinking to do this for professional gain aside from sexual / romantic.
   
8. He appeared to be the only guy wearing an accessory, a gold cross around his neck (which I lol'd at, but it made him hotter I guess)

So thats that on the webcam thing. I'm not sure if this is a humiliation ritual for him before he can blow up later or if he did something that upset the sponsor and caused him (mostly a man, but I'll be fair and say a woman) to leak it. Seo was smart enough to cooly play it off and then accept what happened in the manner he did. Any of the others would have caved and crumbled in a typical reflection please forgive me kind of reaction. Everyone was somehow mentioning kim kardashian comparing him to her. Some said that if he can get successful later on then by all means go ahead which I agree with. I havent heard anything else from seo ha joon he disappeared. Seems like he went away as fast as he came. If he was in America he would have had mad deals by now and moving up. Funny enough when things happen like this to people like him or kim k no matter what you think of them, they have pleasant personalities that are tolerable in the industry. I think he in the wrong industry if he knew english he could do something over here in America. he'd on the level of every other asian actor but it'd be more than what hes getting in Korea.

Korea needs to stop this bs commending people over crap this when behind the scenes a lot of horrific sex work is happening. As for the female idols they've had sponsors too not all but a few of them I'm sure. Sponsors help you get endorsements (CF's) appearances, gigs or spots on shows, article (media play) even a comeback or some money investment. Tyler Kwon was Jessica's sponsor but he fell in love with her and gave her that company, so congrats to sis. But yeah as for the hyeri spinet I mentioned once, there were many girl groups with promise like girls day who flopped and disappeared into oblivion. Hyeri did what she had to do but I am sure they liked each other generally, tony wasnt a sleezy sponsor and respects her. If minah didn't force her cute image and hyeri dating tony ahn aside from sojin's vocals that group would have flopped or been more nugu than it already was.

Also I would not put it above CL to have slept with YG or his brother at some point actually she was almost pregnant by one of them. I'm sure she either aborpted it or did some type of plan B on it to get rid of the situation quickly. Aside from whatever his reasoning is have you all ever thought of why CL was and still is his strongest favorite aside from GD? CL has had a beyond professional realtionship with him. I don't think it persist anymore. CL not going to be able to attach herself to men or people in general anymore to get ahead so whatever she does in the future is solely on her aside from Yg influence unless she goes back to America.* YG is such a pervert and is not above paying flirty or sexual attention to women. a creep at best, a bit worse than JYP.

When you get to GD's level or at least top tier of course you're still to contract but you have more leverage you may even be used for propaganda and to further some agendas through scandals. I don't have anything else to share at the moment but if I remember anything I'll add it.​

I gotta run, but wanted to comment to this -
agreed on this in general

On Tony Ahn (former HOT member- Shinhwa-level old - vanguard of idol'ness) & Hyeri (Girl's day to those not as familar with kpop) 5000 % agree she took a hit for the team. Plus, girl's day did some weird things in general to ramp up popularity - like that tub of water brough to a concert and they had to jump in with all their fans - remember that? The girls were clearly uncomfortable and the men were taking it for all they could.

Tyler Kwon and jessica, I don't know how much he "loves" her because her press releases were first saying they were engaged, fiancee, going to be married, and then his company released statements saying there wasn;t any relationship or marriage talks going on. (even though the HK tabloids had plenty of materials of the two running about club-hopping).

 

[mecca]

I am wondering for a certain time now if they are. I know black and white in combination is, red dress ... ok. Is more like Illuminati stuff to me than masonic.

Well, many Masonic lodges have black and white floors and I think Masons talk about duality but idk about blue and red.

 

[hyorishthottie]

The rags-to-riches narrative for several idols is very common.

Jonghyun (Shinee) he came from a single, working mother home.

Yunho (DBSK) has mentioned poverty several times, right down to a time when he was even homeless in-between gigs trying to get $$ for his home (and remember, he was with SM in his teens...)

LeeTeuk (Super Junior) has mentioned his family was always in debt and strapped for cash, and he was/is responsible for their cash flow,

Actor (who even hosted music bank or inkigayo for a time before starring in a few really great roles), Park Bo-gum, has also mentioned his severe poverty state and abusive household - right down to even getting a restraining order against his father. The latest is pure public mess between the father and son, and claims of PBG in a cult.

There are a lot more. The typical age for trainees are early to mid teens. Some like

GD - BIg Bang's frontman and ...forgetting her name,

Minzy formerly of 2EN1, Jessica (former girls generation)'s sister

Crystal in the now defunct (right?) fx, Taemin, Changmin, etc all started painfully early. If you look at their schedules, rarely are they allowed to go home (maybe 2x a year), and parental oversight is replaced by managers, whose paychecks are already tallied onto the trainees/talents - they're already knee-deep in debt and it only grows. Perks, (cars, houses, etc) are given to successful acts, but under the company name.
on the youth/ younger is better (so it would seem, esp looking at crotch-orientated choreographies by veteran groups like

Shinhwa), but they do push both beauties and "beasts" (to phrase it like JYP's description of 2pm....) The age range is referred to as the flower of youth, and you can find men referring to themselves like that.

finally.. I always thought Rain/Bi (another rags-to-riches story, where he never had enough to eat and he overworked his mother while he went out practicing dance....) was a high-priced gigolo & his handler was JYP. When Rain started getting international acclaim (asian first) JYP went everywhere with him. When you wanted raw footage (regardless if it was stepping down from a private jet or at a press conference), JYP spoke for him, and answered all questions addressed to Rain/Bi (bi which means rain in korean, btw). JYP treated rain like a muscle-ridden toy dog tucked under his arm.... and then Rain started wiggling his backside on command - everywhere, like it was cute!

For his "American Debut" coming over to Carson Daly's TRL in 2006/7, Carson asked rain to do a dance which he turned around and slowly swung his backside back and forth, as he looked over his shoulder, smiling in front of the camera - and that was it!!!

Apparently Rain is trying to show he's not an ajusshi (uncle/ title for an old"er" man - one step away from grandpa) by pushing his new album and look what he does here at 34:48

Obviously whatever he does with that backside is the key to his success.

man It still kinda hurts that jonghyun is gone. just wanted to say that's a great photo of him and man he is missed.

2018 could have been his year ugh. sorry my shawol heart is just still in the process of well processing.

 

[Mirai]

Yes you can leave it's very easy to leave but you have to think of all the idols who "Graduated" and their statuses. Suppose Taehyung or Rap Monster wanted to randomly graduate the group within 2 weeks of this month out of the blue? No way would that happen, at least not so fast. Those are usually played out has been idols who are past the peak of their career and the portion of where their group mattered and was needed.

Just to clarify, I am talking about Japanese idols, not Korean idols. I am sure there is a difference.

For example, Hashimoto Nanami was one of the top members of Nogizaka46. She graduated in February of 2017. Ofcourse there were disappointed fans, but she wasn't 'stopped' or anything. She left the industry and is living a normal live now.

Ofcourse they can't quit within two weeks, but I can't either (and I have a fairly regular job).

 

[hyorishthottie]

I gotta run, but wanted to comment to this -
agreed on this in general

On Tony Ahn (former HOT member- Shinhwa-level old - vanguard of idol'ness) & Hyeri (Girl's day to those not as familar with kpop) 5000 % agree she took a hit for the team. Plus, girl's day did some weird things in general to ramp up popularity - like that tub of water brough to a concert and they had to jump in with all their fans - remember that? The girls were clearly uncomfortable and the men were taking it for all they could.

Tyler Kwon and jessica, I don't know how much he "loves" her because her press releases were first saying they were engaged, fiancee, going to be married, and then his company released statements saying there wasn;t any relationship or marriage talks going on. (even though the HK tabloids had plenty of materials of the two running about club-hopping).

thanks!! yeah smart on her to go for a legend. Yeah these uncle fans and creeps have no shame even if the girls look uncomfortable it's sad.

Wow that's shady. Maybe his camp did that cause he wasn't ready to announce marriage or anything until he had it all sorted out. You know how some people want things to be just right before saying it? Either that or he sees the realtionship differently. I'm sure Jessica saved some millions from SNSD and all she ever made but to run and fund all the ins and outs of Blanc & Eclair like that she needs some backing power so either girlfriend is really good at getting her man to fall to the point of investing in her or he is doing his sponsor things like all do. I think she should have started out small or made them mid tier then work her way up.

 

[hyorishthottie]

Just to clarify, I am talking about Japanese idols, not Korean idols. I am sure there is a difference.

For example, Hashimoto Nanami was one of the top members of Nogizaka46. She graduated in February of 2017. Ofcourse there were disappointed fans, but she wasn't 'stopped' or anything. She left the industry and is living a normal live now.

Ofcourse they can't quit within two weeks, but I can't either (and I have a fairly regular job).

Same I wish I could. I mean I could but it'd be cringe worthy morally I don't have the heart to do it unless I had no choice.
Oh yeah then you're right Japanese idols can easily go more so than Koreans. Koreans it's more complicated. That's good.
Maybe Japan operates differently. Korea though thats another story.

 

[hyorishthottie]

I am interested to know more about dreams, and whats up with those love dreams with celebrities, I keep having these things and would like to know the reasons, it can even pop up from nowhere

what do you mean love dreams? if you can please explain and maybe I can offer an explanation.