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Nah mate, the Koran says Jesus was NOT the Son of God, and that a 'stunt man' took his place on the cross..
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-Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon himworshiped God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him
Therefore, the prophets lived spiritually with the true God.
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had scientific miracles that scientists have proven to be true.
And non-scientific miracles that have historical proofs and witnesses.
Indeed, these scientific and non-scientific miracles have occurred in the past and present, as attested by scientists.
The Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error
There is no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them.
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him despised false worship to any man-made gods or images or anything in creation as a god. He hated all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.
This is in direct obedience to the second commandment in the mentioned verses, "Thou shalt not make any graven images."
But we find pictures and statues in churches, and some Christians prostrate to the statue of Jesus and prostrate to the statue of Mary
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, performed these same ceremonies in worship to what we find the prophets doing before him, bowing to toward the ground and prostrating (falling on the face) while praying and worshipping.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, never drank alcohol or strong drink, even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.
"O you believers! Intoxicating drinks, gambling, fortune telling, etc. is the hated work of the devil. So stay away from all of that horrible stuff, that you will be successful."
Worshiping God is pride and victory in itself and in it there is equality between all people
Muslims worship God who created everything. Allah forbids us from worshiping anything else (e.g. statues, the sun, moon, Jinn , Angels ,saints, priests or even Prophets). He does not need any partners or intermediaries. Everyone can always worship God .directly.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived in the desert in Saudi Arabia
Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) lived in Palestine
.
the time of our Prophet (S), human beings were living under all kinds of oppressive systems. J.H. Denison aptly sums up the miserable human condition prevailing at that time:
“It seemed then the great civilization that it had taken four thousand years to construct was on the verge of disintegration, and that mankind was likely to return to that condition of barbarism where every tribe and sect was against the next, and law and order were unknown…. Civilization… rotted to the core, riven by the storms of war, and held together only by cords of ancient customs and laws, that might snap at any moment. Was there any emotional culture that could be brought in, to gather mankind once more into unity and to save civilization? ... That such a culture should have arisen from Arabia just at the time when it was most needed.” [J. H. Denison, Emotion as the Basis of Civilization, pp. 267-268]
The Prophet mohmmed(S) liberated human beings from these oppressions and opened the door of true freedom for humanity. The Prophet’s mission (and therefore his Sunnah) was to establish the unity of humankind (2:213). This was a necessary consequence of the belief in the unity of God (112:1). The Prophet (S) did not achieve this high goal by rituals and dogmas alone. Nor did he accomplish it by supernatural means. He (S) and his companions (R) persevered and struggled to create social and political change through Quranic education and training. They challenged the secular, tribal, and temporal forces of exploitation and corruption. They torched the path to freedom by removing the chains placed on human beings by these forces: “… lift[ed] from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them...” (7:157). This struggle of our Prophet (S) and Sahaba (R) gave unimagined freedom to oppressed human beings. Thus the darkest period in human history (quotation from Denison) was turned into a most enlightened one.
God revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad to correct the previous books
God forbids usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, incest,
However, we find in the Bible that these calamities are not prohibited in some parts of it
And Christians do it openly and attribute it to Christ and they are not ashamed
Christians are deceived by the devil
Because their book contains these taboos
But the Qur'an forbids that
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who ordered the abandonment of usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, and incest.
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Therefore, the prophets lived spiritually with the true God.
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had scientific miracles that scientists have proven to be true.
And non-scientific miracles that have historical proofs and witnesses.
Indeed, these scientific and non-scientific miracles have occurred in the past and present, as attested by scientists.
The Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error
There is no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them.
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him despised false worship to any man-made gods or images or anything in creation as a god. He hated all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.
This is in direct obedience to the second commandment in the mentioned verses, "Thou shalt not make any graven images."
But we find pictures and statues in churches, and some Christians prostrate to the statue of Jesus and prostrate to the statue of Mary
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, performed these same ceremonies in worship to what we find the prophets doing before him, bowing to toward the ground and prostrating (falling on the face) while praying and worshipping.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, never drank alcohol or strong drink, even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.
"O you believers! Intoxicating drinks, gambling, fortune telling, etc. is the hated work of the devil. So stay away from all of that horrible stuff, that you will be successful."
Worshiping God is pride and victory in itself and in it there is equality between all people
Muslims worship God who created everything. Allah forbids us from worshiping anything else (e.g. statues, the sun, moon, Jinn , Angels ,saints, priests or even Prophets). He does not need any partners or intermediaries. Everyone can always worship God .directly.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived in the desert in Saudi Arabia
Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) lived in Palestine
.
the time of our Prophet (S), human beings were living under all kinds of oppressive systems. J.H. Denison aptly sums up the miserable human condition prevailing at that time:
“It seemed then the great civilization that it had taken four thousand years to construct was on the verge of disintegration, and that mankind was likely to return to that condition of barbarism where every tribe and sect was against the next, and law and order were unknown…. Civilization… rotted to the core, riven by the storms of war, and held together only by cords of ancient customs and laws, that might snap at any moment. Was there any emotional culture that could be brought in, to gather mankind once more into unity and to save civilization? ... That such a culture should have arisen from Arabia just at the time when it was most needed.” [J. H. Denison, Emotion as the Basis of Civilization, pp. 267-268]
The Prophet mohmmed(S) liberated human beings from these oppressions and opened the door of true freedom for humanity. The Prophet’s mission (and therefore his Sunnah) was to establish the unity of humankind (2:213). This was a necessary consequence of the belief in the unity of God (112:1). The Prophet (S) did not achieve this high goal by rituals and dogmas alone. Nor did he accomplish it by supernatural means. He (S) and his companions (R) persevered and struggled to create social and political change through Quranic education and training. They challenged the secular, tribal, and temporal forces of exploitation and corruption. They torched the path to freedom by removing the chains placed on human beings by these forces: “… lift[ed] from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them...” (7:157). This struggle of our Prophet (S) and Sahaba (R) gave unimagined freedom to oppressed human beings. Thus the darkest period in human history (quotation from Denison) was turned into a most enlightened one.
God revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad to correct the previous books
God forbids usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, incest,
However, we find in the Bible that these calamities are not prohibited in some parts of it
And Christians do it openly and attribute it to Christ and they are not ashamed
Christians are deceived by the devil
Because their book contains these taboos
But the Qur'an forbids that
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who ordered the abandonment of usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, and incest.
Mohammed Hijab: Why Successful Men Are Converting To Islam
Evidence of Prophet Muhammad's Prophethood in 10 MINS
The 3 Questions Posed To The Prophet Muhammad
Did Muhammad, The Prophet Of Islam, Exist? With Adnan Rashid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_fajOAPJtU
Paul Williams exposes Jay Smith (hate preacher)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEP_B7sxX6M
Mohammed Hijab vs Jay Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tAqroRftw
The Gospels, the Injil, and the Qur'an | Paul Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpMkH3q0zN4
Orthodox Corruption of Scripture-Book Review by Paul Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT_lnAY1OdE&t=2s
Secrets of The Scrolls | Dead Sea Scrolls | Paul Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ou7tL5-RN4
Scientists Finally Accepting That Quran is From Allah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvbJ8Woh8p8
The Gospels, the Injil, and the Qur'an | Paul Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpMkH3q0zN4
Is the Qur'an God's Word? by Dr Zakir Naik | Full Lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RuQMD4yYWg&t=23s
Is the Islam True Religion If Yes, How? Answered By Dr. Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-N5MJhiRc&t=132s
How to prove that Islam is the 100% true religion Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEvA7D4LK6Q&t=11s
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Some people have fantasies and imaginary stories about the Qur'an
Especially after the shock of the fall of the Holy Book, they cannot bear that the Qur’an is the book that human hands have not tampered with,
because God promised to preserve it as a final version to guide people and corrector for previous books.
The Qur’an has no problems, but accusations, falsehoods and suspicions without real and impartial scientific studyThe Qur'an is one copy
There is only one copy of the Qur’an in Islam. If you go to America, China, India, Egypt, any country in the world, you will find all Muslims reading the same Qur’an with the letter.
And the word and I challenge you if you find any Muslim who reads another words
But in the Bible, we find Christians divided
When we compare the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke together, and compare them to each other, we will notice that the events and speeches are modified as we go from one gospel to another
As one publisher (Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, Illinois) stated: “The Bible may look like one book, but it is actually sixty-six books in one. Thirty-nine books make up what we call the Old Testament, and twenty-seven make up the New Testament. It is possible that more than forty writers were used by God to write all sixty-six books.” (Quoted from the “Holy Bible” – New Living Translation, Gift & Award Edition, l997, p. vii)
So if the Bible is neither narrated by God nor written by Him, and, as such, is not ‘the word of God,’ then what is it? By any objective criteria, the Bible is a book containing a compilation of stories, legends, folk tales, folk lore, myths, sagas, narratives,
And also
It should not be forgotten that an old Koranic copy exists which passes to be one of the Uthmanian copies. It is located in Istanbul and dates from the 650s (Uthman died in 656).
Historical analysis of the Koran: here
Fair people testified to the extreme precision of the compilation of the Qur'an and the truthfulness and thoroughness of its transmission. English Orientalist Sir William Muir said: its compilation.The various parts were put together in an extremely simple manner and without afféterie. We do not find in this compilation the imprint of a hand which would have brought a talent or an order. It testifies to the faith of the compiler and his dedication to what he compiles because he did not dare to do more than take these sacred verses and put them one after the other. " As-Siddîq Abû Bakr by Mohammad Husayn Haykal, p. 332.
“The moral prescriptions of the Koran are excellent. Charity, beneficence, hospitality, moderation in desires, fidelity to the word given, love of neighbor, respect for parents, protection of widows and orphans, and even, the recommendation repeated several times to return good for evil, are taught there. ”Gustave Le Bon (1884) - The civilization of the Arabs.
1,500-year-old Quran manuscript may be oldest known copy
Recently radiocarbon dated copy of the 7th century Quran at the University of Birmingham.A 1,500-year-old parchment may be one of the oldest known copies of the Qur'an, possibly dating back to a time that straddled the life of the Prophet Muhammad, according to researchers who recently dated the fragments of the manuscript.
The text was radiocarbon dated, which measured the age of organic materials from the find. Researchers at the University of Birmingham, UK, found that the sheets of parchment dated back to AD 568 and AD 645.
Oldest version of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube
What are the Different Readings of the Quran? | Dr. Shabir ...
: هل هناك نسخ متعددة للقرآن؟ -
Q/A: Are there multiple version of the Quran? - YouTube
Especially after the shock of the fall of the Holy Book, they cannot bear that the Qur’an is the book that human hands have not tampered with,
because God promised to preserve it as a final version to guide people and corrector for previous books.
The Qur’an has no problems, but accusations, falsehoods and suspicions without real and impartial scientific studyThe Qur'an is one copy
There is only one copy of the Qur’an in Islam. If you go to America, China, India, Egypt, any country in the world, you will find all Muslims reading the same Qur’an with the letter.
And the word and I challenge you if you find any Muslim who reads another words
But in the Bible, we find Christians divided
When we compare the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke together, and compare them to each other, we will notice that the events and speeches are modified as we go from one gospel to another
As one publisher (Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, Illinois) stated: “The Bible may look like one book, but it is actually sixty-six books in one. Thirty-nine books make up what we call the Old Testament, and twenty-seven make up the New Testament. It is possible that more than forty writers were used by God to write all sixty-six books.” (Quoted from the “Holy Bible” – New Living Translation, Gift & Award Edition, l997, p. vii)
So if the Bible is neither narrated by God nor written by Him, and, as such, is not ‘the word of God,’ then what is it? By any objective criteria, the Bible is a book containing a compilation of stories, legends, folk tales, folk lore, myths, sagas, narratives,
And also
It should not be forgotten that an old Koranic copy exists which passes to be one of the Uthmanian copies. It is located in Istanbul and dates from the 650s (Uthman died in 656).
Historical analysis of the Koran: here
Fair people testified to the extreme precision of the compilation of the Qur'an and the truthfulness and thoroughness of its transmission. English Orientalist Sir William Muir said: its compilation.The various parts were put together in an extremely simple manner and without afféterie. We do not find in this compilation the imprint of a hand which would have brought a talent or an order. It testifies to the faith of the compiler and his dedication to what he compiles because he did not dare to do more than take these sacred verses and put them one after the other. " As-Siddîq Abû Bakr by Mohammad Husayn Haykal, p. 332.
“The moral prescriptions of the Koran are excellent. Charity, beneficence, hospitality, moderation in desires, fidelity to the word given, love of neighbor, respect for parents, protection of widows and orphans, and even, the recommendation repeated several times to return good for evil, are taught there. ”Gustave Le Bon (1884) - The civilization of the Arabs.
1,500-year-old Quran manuscript may be oldest known copy
Recently radiocarbon dated copy of the 7th century Quran at the University of Birmingham.A 1,500-year-old parchment may be one of the oldest known copies of the Qur'an, possibly dating back to a time that straddled the life of the Prophet Muhammad, according to researchers who recently dated the fragments of the manuscript.
The text was radiocarbon dated, which measured the age of organic materials from the find. Researchers at the University of Birmingham, UK, found that the sheets of parchment dated back to AD 568 and AD 645.
Oldest version of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube
: هل هناك نسخ متعددة للقرآن؟ -
Q/A: Are there multiple version of the Quran? - YouTube
The Quran was not originally written in Syriac or Aramaic
Allah said in the Quran
12:2
إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُون
Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran so that you may understand.
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20:113
وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا وَصَرَّفْنَا فِيهِ مِنَ الْوَعِيدِ
Thus have We sent this down - an arabic Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him).
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39:28
قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا غَيْرَ ذِي عِوَجٍ
(It is) a Qur'an in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein)
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41:3
كِتَابٌ فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ
A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
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42:7
وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا
Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur'an
there is many poems that was written before Islam inside Mecca and all of them were in Arabic language, there is no old poems in Aramaic inside this city.
why the unbelievers didn’t say that they don’t understand the Quran ?
why Mohamed didn’t ask the Muslims to learn Aramaic ?
see here
Original Quran was written in Syriac, Kufic, Aramaic or Classical Arabic? - Imran London vs Gary
www.muslimprophets.com
Does the Quran have Syriac or Aramaic Origins? - Hamza Tzortzis
www.muslimprophets.com
Allah said in the Quran
12:2
إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُون
Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran so that you may understand.
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20:113
وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا وَصَرَّفْنَا فِيهِ مِنَ الْوَعِيدِ
Thus have We sent this down - an arabic Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him).
-
39:28
قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا غَيْرَ ذِي عِوَجٍ
(It is) a Qur'an in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein)
-
41:3
كِتَابٌ فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ
A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
-
42:7
وَكَذَٰلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا
Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur'an
there is many poems that was written before Islam inside Mecca and all of them were in Arabic language, there is no old poems in Aramaic inside this city.
why the unbelievers didn’t say that they don’t understand the Quran ?
why Mohamed didn’t ask the Muslims to learn Aramaic ?
see here
Original Quran was written in Syriac, Kufic, Aramaic or Classical Arabic? - Imran London vs Gary
Original Quran was written in Syriac, Kufic, Aramaic or Classical Arabic? - Imran London vs Gary
Original Quran was written in Syriac, Kufic, Aramaic or Classical Arabic? - Imran London vs Gary
www.muslimprophets.com
Does the Quran have Syriac or Aramaic Origins? - Hamza Tzortzis
Does the Quran have Syriac or Aramaic Origins? - Hamza Tzortzis
Does the Quran have Syriac or Aramaic Origins? - Hamza Tzortzis
www.muslimprophets.com
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Nah mate, the early Christians got it spot on..
"She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God" (John 11:26/27)
"There is one mediator between God and men- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Timothy 2:5)
"God, spoke in times past by the prophets, has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Simon Peter said- “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
"Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:5)
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From the King of kings' Bible, correctly translated into English from the original, Syro-Aramaic Koran/Quran:-Nah mate, the Koran says Jesus was NOT the Son of God, and that a 'stunt man' took his place on the cross..
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Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself (Acts 4:10-12) and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
People ("Muslims" and "Christians" alike) can choose to continue in darkness (ignorance) or to come out of the darkness and into The Light.
The Messiah/Christ/Madhi is here, NOW, during these end-times, to settle all disputes, exactly as prophesied.
The Scriptural Marks of Christ
There seems to be a huge disconnect between popular beliefs concerning Christ's Second Coming and what the Scriptures actually say about it.
gibraltar-messenger.net
John 3:19-21
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be revealed.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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In context:-
They Killed Christ Not
King of kings' Bible - Sura 4:154-173
4:154. And for their Covenant We raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) We said: "Enter the gate with humility"; and (once again) We commanded them: "Transgress not in the matter of the Sabbath." And we took from them a solemn Covenant.
4:155. (They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant; that they rejected the Signs of God; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve God's Word; we need no more)";- nay, God hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little it is that they believe;-
4:156. That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself (Acts 4:10-12) and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of the Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
4:160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- because they hindered many from God's Way;-
4:161. In that they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- We have prepared for those among them who reject Faith a grievous punishment.
4:162. But those among them who are well-grounded in Knowledge, and the Believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee: and (especially) those who establish constant prayer and practise regular charity and believe God and in the Last Day: to them shall We soon give a great reward.
4:163. We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: We sent inspiration to Abraham; Ishmael; Isaac; Jacob and the (twelve) Tribes (of Israel); to Aaron; Job; Solomon son of David; Jonah; Jesus; and to David We gave the Psalms (in the Old Covenant/Testament, in the Bible).
4:164. Of some Apostles We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses God spoke direct;-
4:165. Messengers who gave good news as well as warning, that mankind, after (the coming) of the Apostles, should have no plea against God: for God is Exalted in Power, and Wisdom.
4:166. But God beareth witness that what He hath sent unto thee He hath sent from His (Own) Knowledge, and the angels bear witness: but enough is God for a witness.
4:167. Those who reject Faith and obstruct (men) from The Way of God, have verily strayed far, far away from The Way (The Covenant).
4:168. Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- God will not forgive them nor guide them to any way
4:169. Except the way of Hell-Fire, to dwell therein for ever. And this to God is easy.
4:170. O Mankind! The Messenger (Christ) hath come to you in truth from God: believe him: it is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to God belong all things in the heavens and on earth: and God is All-knowing, All-wise.
4:171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the Truth. Jesus the (human) son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God; and His Word (John 1:14); which He bestowed on Mary's (human) son; is a spirit-Being (Christ) proceeding from Him (making the human+Being called Jesus+Christ): so believe God and His Apostles. Say NOT "Trinity": DESIST: it will be better for you: for "I AM" is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a human son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
4:172. Christ commandeth YE to serve and worship God, so do the angels, those nearest (to God): those who scorn His worship and are arrogant,- He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).
4:173. But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: but those who are scornful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous Penalty; nor will they find, besides God, any to protect or help them.
They Killed Christ Not
King of kings' Bible - Sura 4:154-173
4:154. And for their Covenant We raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) We said: "Enter the gate with humility"; and (once again) We commanded them: "Transgress not in the matter of the Sabbath." And we took from them a solemn Covenant.
4:155. (They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant; that they rejected the Signs of God; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve God's Word; we need no more)";- nay, God hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little it is that they believe;-
4:156. That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself (Acts 4:10-12) and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of the Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
4:160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- because they hindered many from God's Way;-
4:161. In that they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- We have prepared for those among them who reject Faith a grievous punishment.
4:162. But those among them who are well-grounded in Knowledge, and the Believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee: and (especially) those who establish constant prayer and practise regular charity and believe God and in the Last Day: to them shall We soon give a great reward.
4:163. We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: We sent inspiration to Abraham; Ishmael; Isaac; Jacob and the (twelve) Tribes (of Israel); to Aaron; Job; Solomon son of David; Jonah; Jesus; and to David We gave the Psalms (in the Old Covenant/Testament, in the Bible).
4:164. Of some Apostles We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses God spoke direct;-
4:165. Messengers who gave good news as well as warning, that mankind, after (the coming) of the Apostles, should have no plea against God: for God is Exalted in Power, and Wisdom.
4:166. But God beareth witness that what He hath sent unto thee He hath sent from His (Own) Knowledge, and the angels bear witness: but enough is God for a witness.
4:167. Those who reject Faith and obstruct (men) from The Way of God, have verily strayed far, far away from The Way (The Covenant).
4:168. Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- God will not forgive them nor guide them to any way
4:169. Except the way of Hell-Fire, to dwell therein for ever. And this to God is easy.
4:170. O Mankind! The Messenger (Christ) hath come to you in truth from God: believe him: it is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to God belong all things in the heavens and on earth: and God is All-knowing, All-wise.
4:171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the Truth. Jesus the (human) son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God; and His Word (John 1:14); which He bestowed on Mary's (human) son; is a spirit-Being (Christ) proceeding from Him (making the human+Being called Jesus+Christ): so believe God and His Apostles. Say NOT "Trinity": DESIST: it will be better for you: for "I AM" is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a human son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
4:172. Christ commandeth YE to serve and worship God, so do the angels, those nearest (to God): those who scorn His worship and are arrogant,- He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).
4:173. But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: but those who are scornful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous Penalty; nor will they find, besides God, any to protect or help them.
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But mate, the Bible was written 600 years BEFORE the Koran was written, so how could the Bible have been translated from the Koran?
No offence, but are you a muslim?
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Honestly, it is debatable if Clod is a Christian. Idk how many times I've told him over the years he's making Christians look bad.
I put him on ignore not long after he made a 3rd account, so i no longer engage with him. There is no point really. The guy is a troll, made worse by the fact he's 70+.
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I like it when people put me on ignore, then I can talk about them behind their back..
PS- I think Daze might be a closet jew because he seems to have taken offence because i've said more than once that Jews are murderers for killing Jesus, and are thieves for stealing Palestine.
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The Old Covenant/Testament was originally written in Hebrew.
The New Covenant/Testament was originally written in Greek, although it may have also been written in Aramaic (see: Peshitta).
The Koran/Quran was originally written in Aramaic (Syro-Aramaic, aka "Syriac").
If something was cited from the New Covenant/Testament, accompanied with the explanation that it was correctly translated into English from the original Greek, would any REASONABLE individual respond by saying "but the Old Covenant/Testament was written several hundred years BEFORE the Old Covenant/Testament, so how could the Old Covenant/Testament have been translated from the New Covenant/Testament?
No.
But that's what you have just done with your ridiculous question about the Koran, either out of ignorance or just clowning around. Either way it makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously.
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And that matters why? So a bunch of dumbasses were duped nothing new...
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Clout quote- "But mate, the Bible was written 600 years BEFORE the Koran was written, so how could the Bible have been translated from the Koran?"- unquote
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Huh? Like I said, the Koran was written 600 years AFTER the Bible, so why should we believe latecomer Mohammed who changed much of the Bible?
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Arrogance and ignorance belong to Satan.
Humility and Wisdom belong to and emanate from God (Ps. 111:10; Prov. 22:4).
When someone judges anyone or anything in this world by their own faulty and imperfect standard, instead of by God's Perfect Standard (found in His Law), they are doomed to remain in ignorance, including the ignorance of their own arrogance.
IF someone reads the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran in their entirety (multiple times), and then studies them with an open mind, i.e. by humbly asking our heavenly Father and God for HIS Guidance as to their true spiritual meaning, THEN they will be shown what they are ready to receive. And that includes the AGREEMENT between all three parts of Scripture, and where humans have tried to throw in their vanity/lies (i.e. attempted to tamper with the Word of God). When properly translated and understood, ALL Scripture should be in perfect agreement with itself, as we have been repeatedly told (e.g. Enoch 104:8-11; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; Sura 39:23).
Judging a book by its cover, or by only a few verses (or worse yet by a single verse - Deut. 17:6; Deut. 19:15) will NEVER provide anyone with a true understanding of its content, devoid of the satanic, worldly traditions and superstitions of men, particularly when reading that spiritual message with human rather than spiritual eyes (John 3:3-7).
We can either remain in ignorance/darkness (John 3:19-21), or we can come to The Light (John 8:3) Who, as He said, is here right now for those who seek Him with all of their heart, mind, soul, and strength (Jer. 29:13; Matt. 7:7-8; Rev. 14:1-4).
And, with that enlightenment, which can only come from God (Matt. 11:27-28), we can see and therefore find Christ everywhere, including in the 300+ references to Christ in the Koran/Quran, including confirmation of His Second Coming (Sura 43:61) and that Christ is The Way home, to heaven.
Humility and Wisdom belong to and emanate from God (Ps. 111:10; Prov. 22:4).
When someone judges anyone or anything in this world by their own faulty and imperfect standard, instead of by God's Perfect Standard (found in His Law), they are doomed to remain in ignorance, including the ignorance of their own arrogance.
IF someone reads the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran in their entirety (multiple times), and then studies them with an open mind, i.e. by humbly asking our heavenly Father and God for HIS Guidance as to their true spiritual meaning, THEN they will be shown what they are ready to receive. And that includes the AGREEMENT between all three parts of Scripture, and where humans have tried to throw in their vanity/lies (i.e. attempted to tamper with the Word of God). When properly translated and understood, ALL Scripture should be in perfect agreement with itself, as we have been repeatedly told (e.g. Enoch 104:8-11; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; Sura 39:23).
Judging a book by its cover, or by only a few verses (or worse yet by a single verse - Deut. 17:6; Deut. 19:15) will NEVER provide anyone with a true understanding of its content, devoid of the satanic, worldly traditions and superstitions of men, particularly when reading that spiritual message with human rather than spiritual eyes (John 3:3-7).
We can either remain in ignorance/darkness (John 3:19-21), or we can come to The Light (John 8:3) Who, as He said, is here right now for those who seek Him with all of their heart, mind, soul, and strength (Jer. 29:13; Matt. 7:7-8; Rev. 14:1-4).
And, with that enlightenment, which can only come from God (Matt. 11:27-28), we can see and therefore find Christ everywhere, including in the 300+ references to Christ in the Koran/Quran, including confirmation of His Second Coming (Sura 43:61) and that Christ is The Way home, to heaven.
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1- Baloney..
Paul had to warn people to keep it simple-
Paul said - "I' am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
So if people can't find Jesus in a simple gospel like this one, they ain't NEVER gonna find him..
2- As for the satanic Koran, it says Jesus was NOT the Son of God, and that a 'stunt man' took his place on the cross, you can "study" it if you like but include me out..
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I didn't need a book to believe in him.1- Baloney..
Paul had to warn people to keep it simple-
Paul said - "I' am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
So if people can't find Jesus in a simple gospel like this one, they ain't NEVER gonna find him..
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2- As for the satanic Koran, it says Jesus was NOT the Son of God, and that a 'stunt man' took his place on the cross, you can "study" it if you like but include me out..
I didnt need a book to deny him for best part of 34 years
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The one the illiterate, warmongering paedo passed around im guessing?
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I like how when it's islam, they just ignore the FACTS of how their book isn't corrupted.
Then just jump onto the bibles, to which they are preaching to Christians who already know this.
Muhammed couldn't even read, 'nuff said.
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From the King of kings' Bible, correctly translated into English from the original, Syro-Aramaic Koran/Quran:-
Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself (Acts 4:10-12) and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
People ("Muslims" and "Christians" alike) can choose to continue in darkness (ignorance) or to come out of the darkness and into The Light.
The Messiah/Christ/Madhi is here, NOW, during these end-times, to settle all disputes, exactly as prophesied.
The Scriptural Marks of Christ
There seems to be a huge disconnect between popular beliefs concerning Christ's Second Coming and what the Scriptures actually say about it.
John 3:19-21
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be revealed.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Allah HATES the King of Kings that name makes him angry.