Who do Muslims really worship?

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Just some rambling - islam god is Allah, which is Arabic for the Hebrew Elohim.
Elohim is plural, pointing to a godly pantheon, something most cultures once referred to, including Egyptian.
also Elohim in the form of Assyrian/Hebrew name Ilani/Ilana which mean Tree or Trees, perhaps a reference to the garden of Eden or that the one tree in the garden, one can speculate ?
 

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Something that should be understood about the Name Allah.

Aramaic was one of the languages Jesus spoke, and there seems to be a consensus that Jesus spoke Aramaic with His Disciples. It also happens to be the original language (Syro-Aramaic) of the Koran (Quran).

In Aramaic the Name for God is Elah, pronounced E-lah, which means "The Awesome, Fearful One".

In Arabic, the Name for God is Allah, pronounced Ah-lah, which means "THE God".

In Hebrew, the Singular Name for God is Eloah, pronounced E-law, which likewise means "THE God".

Aramaic and Arabic and Hebrew are all Semitic-root languages. Comparing the names for God in each of these three languages, they are strikingly similar, to the point of being almost identical. And given the description of God in the Koran (Quran) as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc., just as God is described in the Bible, one would be hard-pressed to refute that Allah is the same God as in the Bible.

It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis who has CONNED people into believing that God is supposedly not the same in the Old Covenant as He is in the New Covenant and in the Koran, as if God changes (Mal. 3:6). That way he (Satan) can keep everyone arguing and fighting each other instead of uniting as one Brotherhood, getting rid of ALL of his (Satan's) evil organized religions, and go back to God's Law (NOT Sharia "law" or any other man-made rules, legislation, policies, traditions, etc.).

This is exactly what it says in the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and in the Koran/Quran, where we have been repeatedly warned to stay away from ALL organized religion, which Lucifer/Satan/Iblis invented to divide us, conquer us, and keep us away from God. It should be obvious no one needs to attend a pep rally once a week -- regardless of what day of the week it may be held -- to be seen by others (Matt. 6:5-8; Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24; Sura 4:142; Sura 7:55; Sura 9:107-111; Sura 33:33).

Sadly, very few have taken any notice, which is why we have all of these corporate fictional organized religions today, NONE of which serve/worship Father (God). God doesn't need a store front, as He has nothing to sell. He only needs to be an invited guest inside our hearts and minds, so that we can walk with Him, and receive His Guidance in the moment.

John 4:23-24
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.
 

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Something that should be understood about the Name Allah.

Aramaic was one of the languages Jesus spoke, and there seems to be a consensus that Jesus spoke Aramaic with His Disciples. It also happens to be the original language (Syro-Aramaic) of the Koran (Quran).

In Aramaic the Name for God is Elah, pronounced E-lah, which means "The Awesome, Fearful One".

In Arabic, the Name for God is Allah, pronounced Ah-lah, which means "THE God".

In Hebrew, the Singular Name for God is Eloah, pronounced E-law, which likewise means "THE God".

Aramaic and Arabic and Hebrew are all Semitic-root languages. Comparing the names for God in each of these three languages, they are strikingly similar, to the point of being almost identical. And given the description of God in the Koran (Quran) as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc., just as God is described in the Bible, one would be hard-pressed to refute that Allah is the same God as in the Bible.

It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis who has CONNED people into believing that God is supposedly not the same in the Old Covenant as He is in the New Covenant and in the Koran, as if God changes (Mal. 3:6). That way he (Satan) can keep everyone arguing and fighting each other instead of uniting as one Brotherhood, getting rid of ALL of his (Satan's) evil organized religions, and go back to God's Law (NOT Sharia "law" or any other man-made rules, legislation, policies, traditions, etc.).

This is exactly what it says in the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and in the Koran/Quran, where we have been repeatedly warned to stay away from ALL organized religion, which Lucifer/Satan/Iblis invented to divide us, conquer us, and keep us away from God. It should be obvious no one needs to attend a pep rally once a week -- regardless of what day of the week it may be held -- to be seen by others (Matt. 6:5-8; Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24; Sura 4:142; Sura 7:55; Sura 9:107-111; Sura 33:33).

Sadly, very few have taken any notice, which is why we have all of these corporate fictional organized religions today, NONE of which serve/worship Father (God). God doesn't need a store front, as He has nothing to sell. He only needs to be an invited guest inside our hearts and minds, so that we can walk with Him, and receive His Guidance in the moment.

John 4:23-24
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.
Nice Freeman, good explanation on the matter.
 
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Is it still legal to not care about who the Muslims really worship? I have enough problems already wondering who the Tiny Hats worship.
 
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Just some rambling - islam god is Allah, which is Arabic for the Hebrew Elohim.
Elohim is plural, pointing to a godly pantheon, something most cultures once referred to, including Egyptian.
also Elohim in the form of Assyrian/Hebrew name Ilani/Ilana which mean Tree or Trees, perhaps a reference to the garden of Eden or that the one tree in the garden, one can speculate ?
Allah is 369 :)
 

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Something that should be understood about the Name Allah.

Aramaic was one of the languages Jesus spoke, and there seems to be a consensus that Jesus spoke Aramaic with His Disciples. It also happens to be the original language (Syro-Aramaic) of the Koran (Quran).

In Aramaic the Name for God is Elah, pronounced E-lah, which means "The Awesome, Fearful One".

In Arabic, the Name for God is Allah, pronounced Ah-lah, which means "THE God".

In Hebrew, the Singular Name for God is Eloah, pronounced E-law, which likewise means "THE God".

Aramaic and Arabic and Hebrew are all Semitic-root languages. Comparing the names for God in each of these three languages, they are strikingly similar, to the point of being almost identical. And given the description of God in the Koran (Quran) as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc., just as God is described in the Bible, one would be hard-pressed to refute that Allah is the same God as in the Bible.

It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis who has CONNED people into believing that God is supposedly not the same in the Old Covenant as He is in the New Covenant and in the Koran, as if God changes (Mal. 3:6). That way he (Satan) can keep everyone arguing and fighting each other instead of uniting as one Brotherhood, getting rid of ALL of his (Satan's) evil organized religions, and go back to God's Law (NOT Sharia "law" or any other man-made rules, legislation, policies, traditions, etc.).

This is exactly what it says in the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and in the Koran/Quran, where we have been repeatedly warned to stay away from ALL organized religion, which Lucifer/Satan/Iblis invented to divide us, conquer us, and keep us away from God. It should be obvious no one needs to attend a pep rally once a week -- regardless of what day of the week it may be held -- to be seen by others (Matt. 6:5-8; Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24; Sura 4:142; Sura 7:55; Sura 9:107-111; Sura 33:33).

Sadly, very few have taken any notice, which is why we have all of these corporate fictional organized religions today, NONE of which serve/worship Father (God). God doesn't need a store front, as He has nothing to sell. He only needs to be an invited guest inside our hearts and minds, so that we can walk with Him, and receive His Guidance in the moment.

John 4:23-24
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.
From the point of view of us Muslims, God is one. The same God that Moses invited people to worship. The same God that Jesus invited people to worship.
In principle, we even believe that a day will come when the Imam of Time (the savior of mankind) will come while the Messiah is by his side.
So please read this:
and this:
 

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From the point of view of us Muslims, God is one. The same God that Moses invited people to worship. The same God that Jesus invited people to worship.
Thank-you. Agreed. God is ONE, exactly as it says throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran. There is no 3=1 deity found anywhere in any of God's Message to mankind.

In principle, we even believe that a day will come when the Imam of Time (the savior of mankind) will come while the Messiah is by his side.
So please read this:
Thank-you. However, just as there is only ONE God, there is only ONE imam/teacher (Matt. 23:8-10): The Messiah/Christ; The One Whom God anointed to be our King, Judge and Teacher/Mediator/Priest/Pastor/Rabbi/Imam. And Christ's Second Coming will not be alongside anyone else. The Messiah/Christ IS "The Mahdi".

Sura 43:57-63
43:57. When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
43:58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
43:59. He was no more than a servant ("I came not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me" - John 6:38): We granted Our favour (Christ) to him (Sura 4:171), and We made him the Example to the Children of Israel (John 14:6).
43:60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the Earth.
43:61. And (Christ the Mahdi) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) The Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about The (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way.
43:62. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed.
43:63. When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear "I AM" and obey me.
 

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Thank-you. Agreed. God is ONE, exactly as it says throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran. There is no 3=1 deity found anywhere in any of God's Message to mankind.


Thank-you. However, just as there is only ONE God, there is only ONE imam/teacher (Matt. 23:8-10): The Messiah/Christ; The One Whom God anointed to be our King, Judge and Teacher/Mediator/Priest/Pastor/Rabbi/Imam. And Christ's Second Coming will not be alongside anyone else. The Messiah/Christ IS "The Mahdi".

Sura 43:57-63
43:57. When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
43:58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
43:59. He was no more than a servant ("I came not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me" - John 6:38): We granted Our favour (Christ) to him (Sura 4:171), and We made him the Example to the Children of Israel (John 14:6).
43:60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the Earth.
43:61. And (Christ the Mahdi) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) The Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about The (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way.
43:62. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed.
43:63. When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear "I AM" and obey me.
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The meaning of "son of man" is not the Messiah (peace be upon him), because according to the writing of the American Mr. Hawks in the "Dictionary of the Bible" this phrase is found 80 times in the Bible and its annexes (New Testament), of which only 30 Its case can be compared with Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). And the other 50 cases speak of a savior who will appear at the end of time and at the end of time, and Jesus (peace be upon him) will also come with him, and will give him glory and greatness, and from the hour and day of his appearance. He has no knowledge except God, the Blessed and Exalted, and he will not be the last proof of God except Hazrat Mahdi (peace be upon him).
John's Gospel
"And he has given him the power to judge; Because he is the son of man. And don't be surprised by this, because the hour is coming when all those who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out, whoever did good deeds will live for the resurrection, and whoever did bad deeds will be judged for the resurrection..."
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Thank-you. Agreed. God is ONE, exactly as it says throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran. There is no 3=1 deity found anywhere in any of God's Message to mankind.
Might i point you to Surah Najm 53
 

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The meaning of "son of man" is not the Messiah (peace be upon him), because according to the writing of the American Mr. Hawks in the "Dictionary of the Bible" this phrase is found 80 times in the Bible and its annexes (New Testament), of which only 30 Its case can be compared with Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). And the other 50 cases speak of a savior who will appear at the end of time and at the end of time, and Jesus (peace be upon him) will also come with him, and will give him glory and greatness, and from the hour and day of his appearance. He has no knowledge except God, the Blessed and Exalted, and he will not be the last proof of God except Hazrat Mahdi (peace be upon him).
John's Gospel
"And he has given him the power to judge; Because he is the son of man. And don't be surprised by this, because the hour is coming when all those who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out, whoever did good deeds will live for the resurrection, and whoever did bad deeds will be judged for the resurrection..."
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In the Gospel accounts, the term "son of man" is referring to Jesus, the mortal human son that was born of the virgin Mary.

There are also over 50 references to the "Son of God" in the New Covenant/Testament, describing the immortal spiritual-Being known as The Messiah/Christ (whose name in heaven as Prince Michael). The Messiah/Christ is the first spiritual-Being that God created (by saying "be", NOT by procreation - God, Who is also a Spiritual-Being, does NOT beget human sons or daughters).

When Christ (the Being) incarnated Jesus (the human) 2000 years ago, They became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ.

It was Jesus that was crucified, died and was buried for 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth, before God raised him (Jesus). Obviously The Messiah/Christ could not be killed or crucified by mere humans, exactly as Christ told us through the mouth of Jesus (Matt. 10:28). -- It only appeared to the Romans and the Jews who witnessed the crucifixion of the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27; Sura 4:157-159) had been murdered, which isn't possible. Only Jesus (the "son of man") was murdered.

Further, it is Christ that has returned during these end-times in a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a new name (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12), NOT Jesus.



References:

Jesus referring to Himself over 80 times in the Gospels as the “Son of Man” (81 times)

Matthew (30):
8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26. 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31


References to Christ as the Son OF God (50)

Matthew (9):
4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54

Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39

Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70

John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30

Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29

1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20

Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

And in Psalms, where Father (God, the Most High) refers His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son: Psalm 2:7, 2:12, Dan. 3:25.

Also of interest is the designation of the other angels, both in heaven and here on earth, as “the sons of God”, “children of the Most High” or “sons of the Living God”, etc., including:

Genesis 6:2-7, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, Psalm 82:6, Hosea 1:10, John 1:12, Romans 8:14-19, Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1-2.

This of course is in perfect agreement with the references to Christ as “the firstborn of every creature” in Colossians 1:15, and “the beginning of the creation of God” in Rev. 3:14. There simply is no other way for Christ to be the literal Son of God (as well as the literal firstborn/first-created).

REFERENCES IN SCRIPTURE TO CHRIST AS “GOD THE SON”: ZERO (0)

REFERENCES IN SCRIPTURE TO “THE DEITY OF CHRIST”:
ZERO (0)
 
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Might i point you to Surah Najm 53
Sure. But aren't those three fake/pagan "godesses"/idols explained in ayat 23?

Sura 53:13-23
53:13. For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
53:14. Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: (Gen. 3:22-24)
53:15. Near it is The Garden of Life.
53:16. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (Christ's Crown of Thorns was made from a Lote-tree)
53:17. (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
53:18. For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
53:19. Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
53:20. And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
53:21. What! For you the male gender, and for Him, the female?
53:22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
53:23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your ancestors,- for which "I AM" (Allah) has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
 
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Sure. But aren't those three fake/pagan "godesses"/idols explained in ayat 23?

Sura 53:13-23
53:13. For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
53:14. Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: (Gen. 3:22-24)
53:15. Near it is The Garden of Life.
53:16. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (Christ's Crown of Thorns was made from a Lote-tree)
53:17. (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
53:18. For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
53:19. Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
53:20. And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
53:21. What! For you the male gender, and for Him, the female?
53:22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
53:23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your ancestors,- for which "I AM" (Allah) has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
Exalted are the Gharaniq (Cranes) whose intercession is hoped for...

The mother goddess
triple diety

you havent been paying attention @A Freeman
 

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Exalted are the Gharaniq (Cranes) whose intercession is hoped for...

The mother goddess
triple diety

you havent been paying attention @A Freeman
Regardless, the descriptions given in Sura 53 of those fabricated pagan godesses have nothing to do with the One True God. Nor is the Koran telling anyone to worship them.

Maybe more attention has been paid than you're acknowledging. :)
 
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Regardless, the descriptions given in Sura 53 of those fabricated pagan godesses have nothing to do with the One True God. Nor is the Koran telling anyone to worship them.

Maybe more attention has been paid than you're acknowledging. :)
What i stated in the above post stems back way before the main 3 religions.

see GOBLEKI TEPE
 
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Bull = male
Crane = female
3 cranes = 3 females / surah najm 53

its just hidden thats all...you need to work it out. :)

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