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Palestinian Resistance Launch Major Attack on Israel: What Happened? – LIVE BLOG
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Yeah, the Palestinian people are probably really regretting letting Hamas rule them at this point. Oct 7 was a huge mistake, and the people, once again, suffer for it.
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Let me guess, the culprit is—wait for it—Islamaphobia!
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(The alternative name for this thread.)
So, what happened to the $700 Million the US (Biden) gave to UNRWA? Find that $$$ and you will find who is “withholding basic humanitarian assistance.” (Hint: “Islamic Resistance”)
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MOSSAD helped secure funds for Hamas. You can't wage a 60 year war against a population unless the enemy has supplies to give you the excuse to kill. It's also been found Israel knew of Oct 7. It was allowed to happen. Because this would be the best chance to drum up support for the total expulsion of Palestine. Unfortunately, Hamas wasn't as brutal as Israel had hoped, and a lot of their initial claims are now found to have never have happened.
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C'mon don't leave us in suspense with hints. Give us a detailed account with the sources for the detailed account.
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With all the aid and money Hamas has allegedly stolen, I’m surprised they haven’t set sail into the distance.
Does this trolling twat really believe Biden and other leaders hand over these funds (if they’re ever sent) to Palestinians directly? You do realise everything goes through your beloved Israel? If you want to know where the aid or money is, look there. Prat.
Does this trolling twat really believe Biden and other leaders hand over these funds (if they’re ever sent) to Palestinians directly? You do realise everything goes through your beloved Israel? If you want to know where the aid or money is, look there. Prat.
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Nick Ferrari was a staunch supporter and defender of Israel. The killing of the white western aid workers caused him to tip over the edge and call for a suspension of arms sales to Israel.
He talks like he’s suffering from perpetual indigestion and heartburn. Take some Gaviscon Nick.
He talks like he’s suffering from perpetual indigestion and heartburn. Take some Gaviscon Nick.
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First it was Not-so-Priti Patel and now Sue-hella…
A pair of witches which are okay with using British tax payers money which should be going to foreign aid, to fund an overseas military army (spoiler: Israel).
Why does one tiny nation need all these finances??
A pair of witches which are okay with using British tax payers money which should be going to foreign aid, to fund an overseas military army (spoiler: Israel).
Why does one tiny nation need all these finances??
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James O’Brien, welcome to honest, impartial journalism.
Why won’t Israel let in foreign correspondents into Gaza? They won’t be able to countenance what those journalists find. The caller babbles on about finding Hamas’ weapons in a maternity hospital.
Why won’t Israel let in foreign correspondents into Gaza? They won’t be able to countenance what those journalists find. The caller babbles on about finding Hamas’ weapons in a maternity hospital.
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Sixty British organizations and law firms that have coalesced under the “Gaza Families Reunited” initiative addressed a letter to the UK Home Secretary James Cleverly on Tuesday to call for the creation of a visa program for Gazans with family in the United Kingdom.
The program would be similar to one created for Ukrainian refugees, and it is based on the premise that “existing immigration routes are insufficient and not working,” the letter reads. It would “enable family members of Palestinians in the UK to reunite with their loved ones and offer temporary sanctuary until it is safe to return.”
The “Gaza Families Reunited” campaign was recently backed by Scottish First Minister Humza Yousaf, whose wife’s family was trapped in Gaza at the outbreak of the war and was only able to leave in January thanks to Turkey’s intervention.
Canada announced in January that it would open a temporary residence pathway for 1,000 Gazans who have family members who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents and will be able to support them for a year.
As for Europe, two Israeli lawmakers have called on countries to accept a limited number of Gazan refugees, citing the examples of past wars in the former Yugoslavia, Syria and Ukraine, during which European countries opened their borders to millions of refugees.
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The tweet was likely referring to this Knesset bill passed in December but if you do a search for "how to join the IDF" or Lone soldier programs you find material on how foreigners are actually incentivized to fly over to Israel.
Again, foreigners sign up for different reasons....religious, swayed by propaganda etc. This Canadian lady elaborated on hers. So, without a doubt, many do so for financial reasons.
Three ways a lone soldier can join the IDF
There are three ways a lone soldier can serve in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
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British fighters in Israel’s military: Is it legal?
Phil Miller in Declassified UK explores the issue of young British citizens serving in the Israeli army. Quite a number…
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The scheme is supported by various agencies such as Garin Tzabar, which has an office in London. It advertises how immigrants who join the IDF can earn almost twice as much as their domestic counterparts, partly due to grants from Israeli government departments.
While Britons who join the IDF might not meet the Geneva Convention’s entire definition of a mercenary, they do meet certain aspects of the criteria. The fact that some are paid more than their Israeli counterparts appears to satisfy Article 47(c), which says mercenaries may receive “material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party”.
Sidenote: this could be one of the reasons why we see such callousness from IDF soldiers....like as though they are having fun on the frontline...again if you are there for the money then it makes sense to broadcast oneself engaging in wholesale destruction.
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Gaza: How the Israeli army besieged and attacked Nasser hospital | MSF
MSF staff members working at Nasser hospital, Gaza, were first-hand witnesses of the events leading up to the night of 14-15 February and the forced evacuation of the hospital.
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The Elders call for suspension of arms transfers to Israel to end Gaza atrocities
The Elders call for suspension of arms transfers to Israel to end Gaza atrocities
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How do Iranians ‘Boil a Frog’? Slowly and methodically.
Iran's apparent restraint in the face of Israeli aggression should not be mistaken for weakness. Tehran steadily applies pressure on Tel Aviv through its own methods, setting the stage carefully for Israel's unravelling.
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Haaretz full article
Doctor at Israeli Field Hospital for Detained Gazans: 'We Are All Complicit in Breaking the Law'
'Two prisoners had their legs amputated due to handcuff injuries,' says a doctor at an Israeli prison facility, who describes deplorable conditions and violations of medical ethics and the law in a letter to ministers, attorney general
A doctor at the field hospital set up at the Sde Teiman detention center to hold arrested Gazans described conditions that he said could compromise the inmates' health and put the government at risk of violating the law, in a letter sent last week to Israel's defense minister, health minister, and attorney general.
"Just this week, two prisoners had their legs amputated due to handcuff injuries, which unfortunately is a routine event," the physician said in the letter. He said inmates are fed through straws, defecate in diapers, and are held constant restraints, which violate medical ethics and the law.
The Sde Teiman facility was established immediately after the outbreak of the Gaza war to hold Hamas terrorists, including those who took part in the atrocities of October 7, until they could be moved to a regular prison.
At the time, the Knesset approved an amendment to the law on holding detainees that specified the conditions in which they could be held. Since the start of the ground operation in the Gaza Strip, most of the Gazans who have been arrested have been sent to Sde Teiman to be investigated for involvement in terrorism. Those cleared of suspicion are then sent back to Gaza.
"From the first days of the medical facility's operation until today, I have faced serious ethical dilemmas. More than that, I am writing [this letter] to warn you that the facilities' operations do not comply with a single section among those dealing with health in the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law," the doctor writes.
He stressed that all the patients at the hospital set up at Sde Teiman are handcuffed by all four limbs, regardless of how dangerous they are deemed. They are blindfolded and fed through a straw. "Under these conditions, in practice, even young and healthy patients lose weight after a week or two of hospitalization," the physician said. He added that the hospital doesn't receive regular supplies of medical equipment or medicine.
The Israel Defense Forces Spokesperson's Unit said in response that detainees were given enough food for their health needs and had access to the restroom in accordance with their medical condition. If their movement is restricted, it said, they are provided with diapers.
The procedures for care at field hospitals when the patient is handcuffed and blindfolded were issued by the Health Ministry last December. A ministry official said the policy on shackling detainees was instituted after a medical staffer was attacked by a patient. As a rule, detainees at Sde Teiman are handcuffed 24 hours a day.
According to the doctor, more than half of the patients at the facility's hospital are there due to injuries sustained due to constantly being handcuffed during their detention in Israel. The handcuffs, he said, cause serious injuries that "require repeated surgical interventions."
An IDF spokesman stated that the way detainees are handcuffed was determined "in accordance with the law and according to an individual determination of the dangerousness of each detainee, with the aim of ensuring the safety of the troops and the medical staff."
He also noted that the decision of whether to handcuff a detainee takes into account his medical condition and the recommendations of medical officials. The army said that due to the injuries, the handcuffs used at the facility have been changed to another type, and that guards ensure that there is sufficient space between the handcuffs and the detainees' limbs.
Haaretz has learned that the plastic handcuffs used in the first few months after Sde Teiman was established have been replaced with metal ones.
In addition to the allegations made by the doctor, three other sources told Haaretz that at the start of the war, a detainee whose hands were injured because they were in plastic handcuffs for a prolonged period of time had one hand amputated. An IDF spokesperson stated that the incident was investigated, but because no criminal offense was found, it was decided not to open a military police investigation.
One source said that many detainees were in poor physical condition. Many were injured due to fighting or over the course of the war, and their injuries often worsened due to the conditions of their imprisonment and the lack of hygiene at Sde Teiman. He added that others suffer from chronic conditions but since the outbreak of the war, there has been a continual shortage of medicine. Some detainees have suffered from lengthy epileptic seizures.
The source said that although many detainees suffer from medical problems, most of them are not treated in Sde Teiman's hospital but remain in the regular prison and are treated by medics. That source said the hands of many of the detainees got cuts and subsequently became infected due to the handcuffs. The claim is supported by detainees who had been released to Gaza showing the injuries to their hands in photos. Sources who spoke to Haaretz said that the supply of drugs for chronic diseases has since improved.
The Sde Teiman facility comprises enclosures, where the detainees are kept, and a field hospital. According to sources, at any given time the facility houses between 600 and 800 Gazans, while a handful in need of critical medical attention are in the hospital, and it is their conditions that are described in the doctor's letter.
Some of the detainees are eventually moved to prisons in Israel and others are returned to Gaza if an investigation reveals there is no reason to continue holding them. According to Israel Prison Service figures provided to HaMoked Center for the Defense of the Individual, as of April 1,849 Gazans were held in Israeli prisons, not including those held at Sde Teiman.
Orthopedist and gynecologist
The Sde Teiman facility is supposed to operate according to the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law amended last December. In the letter, the doctor claims that the facility does not comply with the law's conditions, including the right to medical treatment and equipment in accordance with detainees' medical condition, their right to hygienic conditions and adequate sleeping arrangements that don't endanger their health or harm their dignity. They also have the right to exercise outside for two hours a day.
In his letter, the doctor asserted that detainees don't receive appropriate care, even when they are moved to a hospital: "No patient who was referred to a hospital has remained there for more than a few hours. It happens that patients after major operations, such as abdominal surgeries for intestinal resections, are brought back after about an hour of post-op observation during recovery to the Sde Teiman medical facility, which is staffed most of the day by a single doctor, accompanied by a nursing team, some with no more than medic training."
He said that in some cases that single doctor is an orthopedist or gynecologist. "This ends in complications and sometimes even in the patient's death," the doctor wrote.
"This makes all of us – the medical teams and you, those in charge of us in the health and defense ministries – complicit in the violation of Israeli law, and perhaps worse for me as a doctor, in the violation of my basic commitment to patients, wherever they are, as I swore when I graduated 20 years ago," he wrote.
In response, the IDF spokesperson said that the army and Health Ministry "take care of the supply of medicine and medical equipment as required in the medical facility. Evacuation of patients to the medical facility is done according to their medical condition, and the decision on the matter is made exclusively in accordance with professional standards."
Officials who have seen the doctor's letter say they are treating it with "great seriousness" and that they have not yet been able to either confirm or refute its allegations. However, an investigation into the facility is expected.
Haaretz has learned that in recent weeks, even before the letter was sent, several meetings had been held on the matter, and that they included Avital Sompolinsky, the deputy attorney general for constitutional affairs, Health Ministry legal adviser Dana Neufeld, and officials from the military prosecutor's office.
In his letter, the physician claimed that he had warned the Health Ministry director general in the past about problems at Sde Teiman. "The facility was staffed by Health Ministry officials; a procedure for proper restraints was issued, which was not strictly enforced; and a bioethical committee was formed to monitor the facility. Unfortunately, despite all this, and despite the good intentions and good will of the committee, there have been no substantial changes in the way the facility operates," he wrote.
The ethics committee visited the facility at the end of February.
In his letter, the doctor claimed that the fact that the committee's members "are worried about their legal exposure and coverage in view of their involvement in a facility that is operated contrary to the provisions of the existing law is worrying."
The IDF spokesperson stated in response that "The IDF operates according to the law and within the framework of the law when it comes to the treatment of detainees. Every procedure is documented and monitored, and is done with extreme care for the human dignity of the detainees, in accordance with the principles of Israeli and international law.
"The [Sde Teiman] medical facility treats detainees who are terrorist operatives or suspected terrorist operatives captured during IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, among whom are those considered very dangerous and intent on harming any Israeli, even the medical staff," it said.
The Health Ministry said that "the medical treatment provided at Sde Teiman complies with the international rules and treaties to which Israel is committed. To ensure this, the ministry relies on legal advice and the support of an ethics committee. Evacuation of patients is done in coordination with all the security forces. It is important to note that senior ministry officials visit the facility from time to time and closely monitor the treatment being given and are in contact with the medical staff."
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Doctor at Israeli Field Hospital for Detained Gazans: 'We Are All Complicit in Breaking the Law'
'Two prisoners had their legs amputated due to handcuff injuries,' says a doctor at an Israeli prison facility, who describes deplorable conditions and violations of medical ethics and the law in a letter to ministers, attorney general
A doctor at the field hospital set up at the Sde Teiman detention center to hold arrested Gazans described conditions that he said could compromise the inmates' health and put the government at risk of violating the law, in a letter sent last week to Israel's defense minister, health minister, and attorney general.
"Just this week, two prisoners had their legs amputated due to handcuff injuries, which unfortunately is a routine event," the physician said in the letter. He said inmates are fed through straws, defecate in diapers, and are held constant restraints, which violate medical ethics and the law.
The Sde Teiman facility was established immediately after the outbreak of the Gaza war to hold Hamas terrorists, including those who took part in the atrocities of October 7, until they could be moved to a regular prison.
At the time, the Knesset approved an amendment to the law on holding detainees that specified the conditions in which they could be held. Since the start of the ground operation in the Gaza Strip, most of the Gazans who have been arrested have been sent to Sde Teiman to be investigated for involvement in terrorism. Those cleared of suspicion are then sent back to Gaza.
"From the first days of the medical facility's operation until today, I have faced serious ethical dilemmas. More than that, I am writing [this letter] to warn you that the facilities' operations do not comply with a single section among those dealing with health in the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law," the doctor writes.
He stressed that all the patients at the hospital set up at Sde Teiman are handcuffed by all four limbs, regardless of how dangerous they are deemed. They are blindfolded and fed through a straw. "Under these conditions, in practice, even young and healthy patients lose weight after a week or two of hospitalization," the physician said. He added that the hospital doesn't receive regular supplies of medical equipment or medicine.
The Israel Defense Forces Spokesperson's Unit said in response that detainees were given enough food for their health needs and had access to the restroom in accordance with their medical condition. If their movement is restricted, it said, they are provided with diapers.
The procedures for care at field hospitals when the patient is handcuffed and blindfolded were issued by the Health Ministry last December. A ministry official said the policy on shackling detainees was instituted after a medical staffer was attacked by a patient. As a rule, detainees at Sde Teiman are handcuffed 24 hours a day.
According to the doctor, more than half of the patients at the facility's hospital are there due to injuries sustained due to constantly being handcuffed during their detention in Israel. The handcuffs, he said, cause serious injuries that "require repeated surgical interventions."
An IDF spokesman stated that the way detainees are handcuffed was determined "in accordance with the law and according to an individual determination of the dangerousness of each detainee, with the aim of ensuring the safety of the troops and the medical staff."
He also noted that the decision of whether to handcuff a detainee takes into account his medical condition and the recommendations of medical officials. The army said that due to the injuries, the handcuffs used at the facility have been changed to another type, and that guards ensure that there is sufficient space between the handcuffs and the detainees' limbs.
Haaretz has learned that the plastic handcuffs used in the first few months after Sde Teiman was established have been replaced with metal ones.
In addition to the allegations made by the doctor, three other sources told Haaretz that at the start of the war, a detainee whose hands were injured because they were in plastic handcuffs for a prolonged period of time had one hand amputated. An IDF spokesperson stated that the incident was investigated, but because no criminal offense was found, it was decided not to open a military police investigation.
One source said that many detainees were in poor physical condition. Many were injured due to fighting or over the course of the war, and their injuries often worsened due to the conditions of their imprisonment and the lack of hygiene at Sde Teiman. He added that others suffer from chronic conditions but since the outbreak of the war, there has been a continual shortage of medicine. Some detainees have suffered from lengthy epileptic seizures.
The source said that although many detainees suffer from medical problems, most of them are not treated in Sde Teiman's hospital but remain in the regular prison and are treated by medics. That source said the hands of many of the detainees got cuts and subsequently became infected due to the handcuffs. The claim is supported by detainees who had been released to Gaza showing the injuries to their hands in photos. Sources who spoke to Haaretz said that the supply of drugs for chronic diseases has since improved.
The Sde Teiman facility comprises enclosures, where the detainees are kept, and a field hospital. According to sources, at any given time the facility houses between 600 and 800 Gazans, while a handful in need of critical medical attention are in the hospital, and it is their conditions that are described in the doctor's letter.
Some of the detainees are eventually moved to prisons in Israel and others are returned to Gaza if an investigation reveals there is no reason to continue holding them. According to Israel Prison Service figures provided to HaMoked Center for the Defense of the Individual, as of April 1,849 Gazans were held in Israeli prisons, not including those held at Sde Teiman.
Orthopedist and gynecologist
The Sde Teiman facility is supposed to operate according to the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law amended last December. In the letter, the doctor claims that the facility does not comply with the law's conditions, including the right to medical treatment and equipment in accordance with detainees' medical condition, their right to hygienic conditions and adequate sleeping arrangements that don't endanger their health or harm their dignity. They also have the right to exercise outside for two hours a day.
In his letter, the doctor asserted that detainees don't receive appropriate care, even when they are moved to a hospital: "No patient who was referred to a hospital has remained there for more than a few hours. It happens that patients after major operations, such as abdominal surgeries for intestinal resections, are brought back after about an hour of post-op observation during recovery to the Sde Teiman medical facility, which is staffed most of the day by a single doctor, accompanied by a nursing team, some with no more than medic training."
He said that in some cases that single doctor is an orthopedist or gynecologist. "This ends in complications and sometimes even in the patient's death," the doctor wrote.
"This makes all of us – the medical teams and you, those in charge of us in the health and defense ministries – complicit in the violation of Israeli law, and perhaps worse for me as a doctor, in the violation of my basic commitment to patients, wherever they are, as I swore when I graduated 20 years ago," he wrote.
In response, the IDF spokesperson said that the army and Health Ministry "take care of the supply of medicine and medical equipment as required in the medical facility. Evacuation of patients to the medical facility is done according to their medical condition, and the decision on the matter is made exclusively in accordance with professional standards."
Officials who have seen the doctor's letter say they are treating it with "great seriousness" and that they have not yet been able to either confirm or refute its allegations. However, an investigation into the facility is expected.
Haaretz has learned that in recent weeks, even before the letter was sent, several meetings had been held on the matter, and that they included Avital Sompolinsky, the deputy attorney general for constitutional affairs, Health Ministry legal adviser Dana Neufeld, and officials from the military prosecutor's office.
In his letter, the physician claimed that he had warned the Health Ministry director general in the past about problems at Sde Teiman. "The facility was staffed by Health Ministry officials; a procedure for proper restraints was issued, which was not strictly enforced; and a bioethical committee was formed to monitor the facility. Unfortunately, despite all this, and despite the good intentions and good will of the committee, there have been no substantial changes in the way the facility operates," he wrote.
The ethics committee visited the facility at the end of February.
In his letter, the doctor claimed that the fact that the committee's members "are worried about their legal exposure and coverage in view of their involvement in a facility that is operated contrary to the provisions of the existing law is worrying."
The IDF spokesperson stated in response that "The IDF operates according to the law and within the framework of the law when it comes to the treatment of detainees. Every procedure is documented and monitored, and is done with extreme care for the human dignity of the detainees, in accordance with the principles of Israeli and international law.
"The [Sde Teiman] medical facility treats detainees who are terrorist operatives or suspected terrorist operatives captured during IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, among whom are those considered very dangerous and intent on harming any Israeli, even the medical staff," it said.
The Health Ministry said that "the medical treatment provided at Sde Teiman complies with the international rules and treaties to which Israel is committed. To ensure this, the ministry relies on legal advice and the support of an ethics committee. Evacuation of patients is done in coordination with all the security forces. It is important to note that senior ministry officials visit the facility from time to time and closely monitor the treatment being given and are in contact with the medical staff."
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So everyone has developed a moral conscience in the past 48 hours it seems.