The Triune god and paganism.

[Daze]

The best analogy i've seen for the trinity was that its like water - ice, water and vapor are all still just water.

Its mental gymnastics Toxic, nothing more.

The reality is your god has 3 names, 3 separate wills and 3 separate forms.

If I said picture Jesus, you would not mentally picture the Holy Spirit.

Logically, this is impossible.

 

[Maldarker]

How many parts are you made of same but different - Body - soul - spirit (made in GOD's image we are) and besides its GOD can do what ever (but never mind you will put HIM in a box like everyone else its fine)

 

[Haich]

How many parts are you made of same but different - Body - soul - spirit (made in GOD's image we are) and besides its GOD can do what ever (but never mind you will put HIM in a box like everyone else its fine)

Hi Maldarker hope you don’t mind me responding to you, this is a topic I find quite interesting.

Our body/soul moves together as one, we are physically in the same place at the same time with one sense of consciousness. The voice inside your head and the gut feeling/inclinations you have in your heart are part of the essence of YOU.

This cannot be translated into what you consider the trinity. Here’s a list of reasons why:
1. Jesus was on Earth with limited power praying to The Father for guidance and help. There was a physical and spiritual separation here. Can you separate your body from your soul? No, only when you die does you body remain here and soul travel to the other side.

2. The Father is who ultimately controls everything in existence and knows of the hour with his infinite knowledge and power. Jesus is limited and his knowledge is finite. There are examples of this in Bible I’m sure you know this.
This tells us The Father is superior to Jesus, that’s not co-existence.

3. The Holy Spirit is in a gazillion places at once and means different things to different people. There doesn’t seem to be a concrete understanding or cohesive acceptance amongst Trinitarians as to what The Holy Spirit is and does. How do you know it’s the Holy Ghost inspiring you or if it’s a Jinn?

 

[Maldarker]

Hi Maldarker hope you don’t mind me responding to you, this is a topic I find quite interesting.

Our body/soul moves together as one, we are physically in the same place at the same time with one sense of consciousness. The voice inside your head and the gut feeling/inclinations you have in your heart are part of the essence of YOU.

This cannot be translated into what you consider the trinity. Here’s a list of reasons why:
1. Jesus was on Earth with limited power praying to The Father for guidance and help. There was a physical and spiritual separation here. Can you separate your body from your soul? No, only when you die does you body remain here and soul travel to the other side.

2. The Father is who ultimately controls everything in existence and knows of the hour with his infinite knowledge and power. Jesus is limited and his knowledge is finite. There are examples of this in Bible I’m sure you know this.
This tells us The Father is superior to Jesus, that’s not co-existence.

3. The Holy Spirit is in a gazillion places at once and means different things to different people. There doesn’t seem to be a concrete understanding or cohesive acceptance amongst Trinitarians as to what The Holy Spirit is and does. How do you know it’s the Holy Ghost inspiring you or if it’s a Jinn?

How did Muhammad know it was gabriel and not a jinn? We will start with #3

 

[Mohammed_123]

How did Muhammad know it was gabriel and not a jinn? We will start with #3

how did Moses think thast the burning bush was god....when fire is associated with jinns and what jinns are made from

 

[Mohammed_123]

Its mental gymnastics Toxic, nothing more.

The reality is your god has 3 names, 3 separate wills and 3 separate forms.

If I said picture Jesus, you would not mentally picture the Holy Spirit.

Logically, this is impossible.

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When i write about such things i am told by yourself to go see a exorcist...

your a fake bro

 

[Daze]

When i write about such things i am told by yourself to go see a exorcist...

your a fake bro

The majority of this thread is copy / paste from websites like Wikipedia.

While your "such things" usually involved numerology, gematria and other "sciences" that involve magic.
So yes, when you constantly attack the Quran, make a thread like your Muslim worship one, and then source things like PTAH.
Yes, I advise ruqya.

Peace Kais.

 

[Maldarker]

how did Moses think thast the burning bush was god....when fire is associated with jinns and what jinns are made from

So how did he?

 

[Mohammed_123]

So how did he?

im sure you know as well as i do that the jinns are made of fire.

a fire talking to man...sounds like jinns talking to man.

btw according to The Hiram Key...moses was none other than akheneaton the pharoah who believed in one God.

The Hiram Key - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AspiringSoul]

Then there's the Hindu trinity; Brahma, Vishnu, & Shiva. Hindu gods in the exoteric traditions are like a family, and it's a big family. Esoterically, The Vedas see God as One, Unknowable without attributes, Brahman. The trinity is more like 3 jobs done by one person; i.e. a small town sheriff may also be the judge and the preacher. Brahman is; Brahma the Creator, Vishnu the Sustainer, & Shiva the Destroyer(Entropy). I think Vishnu is the only aspect that incarnates.

It's basically the Trancendent Essence (Brahman or The Father), Immanent on the MACROCOSMIC level (the Eternal Word of God, Vishnu, the universal consciousness) and then Immanent on the microcosmic level (multiplicity which is post causal and hence you have the descent and ascent of consciousness eg the Holy Spirit being the First and the Last eg Brahma and Shiva).

Then you have the incarnations of the Word/Vishnu, which is akin to the sufi term 'the ocean in a drop'.

The trinity is correct in terms of what it really alludes to, but the problem is how humans interpret it wrongly over time and it becomes pagan. christianity over 2000 yrs has mostly been hardcore pagan when they focus their worship to an incarnation, without understanding that only the Trancendent power itself is the true God, it's Immanence is in ALL THINGS.
Hindus are either worshipping krishna or they are pantheist/panenthiest.
The monothiesm of hinduism is pretty much sikhism, an offshoot inspired by islam.
the advaita vedanta branch actually praise islam.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

But those are 3 completely different states that have different properties and forms. They’re not equal in any sense of the word. Isn’t the idea of the trinity that all 3 states/representations of God are equal?

I have heard of the infamous egg analogy and recently an old school friend used marriage to exemplify it. She said you and your husband are a couple, a unit but you’re also different in terms of form and role.

I’m just not convinced in the slightest that it makes any logical sense. Objectively speaking, you can’t be 3 persons but also equal as one unit. Who would get the final say on matters? There would be disagreements.

Yeah the idea that all 3 are equal would be the catholic doctrine of the trinity.
Most people will default to that understanding if a Christian believes Jesus Christ is the son of God.

As for my beliefs, the Bible says He is the son of God. But yes, in a human body He had some limitations which the Bible mentions, and He did the will of the Father. The Bible says the Father resurrected Him.

So i'm gonna conclude that the catholics probably approprated some pagan aspects to appease the pagans, as they did with many other things. At the same time, i believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, but having a human body he had some limitations.

If this means "making him equal to God", then that's what people can say it means.

As for the couple analogy, yeah kind of like how we're two people, but my husband has the final say. We're one couple but have different roles. I get my spending power from him. But im still a separate person.

It’s important to note that with regards to the trinity, Jesus himself prays to the father. Jesus also says he doesn’t know the hour. So what was divine about Jesus then if he’s totally reliant on The Father? if you concede there’s a hierarchy within the triune God head then you have to conclude that Jesus isn’t equal to the Father but rather subordinate.

I just don’t think you can ignore this and also I don’t know why some Christians don’t look at the sources of their scripture. Who are these ‘enlightened’ men and why are there so many conflicting verses regards to Jesus and his divinity?

I do go by scripture, and i've acknowledged those things.
Perhaps the issue is that no one considers that it may not be exactly as the catholics claim, but He is still the son of God.

Making it an all or nothing oversimplifies the issue.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

How do you know it’s the Holy Ghost inspiring you or if it’s a Jinn?

Doesit align with scripture or does it contradict it?
If it aligns, it's the Holy Ghost, if it contradicts it it is antichrist.

 

[A Freeman]

The satanic/pagan "trinity" worshiped in "Christianity", which is found nowhere in Scripture, goes completely against Scripture.

This satanic/pagan 3=1 nonsensical deity that Roman Catholicism invented defines itself as three persons that are allegedly coequal, coeternal, uncreated, infinite and almighty, and yet these three gods are not really three gods but one God.

Please see Athanasian Creed (copied and pasted below), which is an exercise in cognitive dissonance used by Roman Catholicism on their unwitting(?) customers for the past 1700 years to build their "universal religion" business into the wealthiest business empire on planet Earth.

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Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the Catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

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Of course this total nonsense has been adopted by most of the protestant denominations as well, who claim they aren't Catholic, even though they have adopted most of the traditions and superstitions of the Babylonian mystery religion of Roman Catholicism. No wonder Christ referred to the protestant denominations as the harlot daughters of "the great whore".

Revelation 17:1-5
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come here; I will show unto thee the Judgment of the great "Whore" that sitteth upon many "waters":
17:2 With whom the kings of the Earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the Earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

When Christ was here in the body of Jesus 2000 years ago, did Christ ever claim to be coequal to His God and Father? No.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is NOT greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than He that sent him.

Note: There are over 50 references in the Gospel accounts to Christ being sent by God, directly out the mouth of Jesus:

Matthew (3): 10:40, 15:24, 21:37

Mark (2): 9:37, 12:6

Luke (6): 4:18, 4:26, 4:43, 9:48, 10:16, 20:13

John (41): 3:17, 3:34, 4:34, 5:23, 5:24, 5:30, 5:36, 5:37, 5:38, 6:29, 6:38, 6:39, 6:40, 6:44, 6:57, 7:16, 7:28, 7:29, 7:33, 8:7, 8:9, 8:17, 8:20, 8:33, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44, 12:45, 12:49, 13:16, 13:20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3, 17:18, 17:21, 17:23, 17:25, 20:21

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

Just what is shared above should be enough for any RATIONALLY-minded individual to see that the 3=1 "trinity" goes completely against Scripture, and therefore is very obviously SATANIC.

 

[Haich]

How did Muhammad know it was gabriel and not a jinn? We will start with #3

Sure, it’s a good question. To set the scene, Muhammad pbuh was mediating in a cave. Some reports say thinking/pondering. Point being he was alone in isolation in deep thought.

Gabriel didn’t come in his true form, he came in the form of a man and commanded the prophet to ‘Read! in the name of your Lord’. This is the first chapter that was revealed to Muhammad, it’s called ‘The Clot’ as the subject matter is about how we were created. I’ve only included the English translation for your benefit.

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1. Read: In the Name of your Lord who created.
2. Created man from a clot.
3. Read: And your Lord is the Most Generous.
4. He who taught by the pen.
5. Taught man what he never knew.
6. In fact, man oversteps all bounds.
7. When he considers himself exempt.
8. But to your Lord is the return.
9. Have you seen him who prevents?
10. A servant when he prays?
11. Do you think he is upon guidance?
12. Or advocates righteousness?
13. Do you see how he disbelieved and turned away?
14. Does he not know that God sees?
15. No. If he does not desist, We will drag him by the forelock.
16. A deceitful, sinful forelock.
17. Let him call on his gang.
18. We will call the Guards.
19. No, do not obey him; but kneel down, and come near.

So the reference to the clinging clot, being the foetus attached to the uterus during early stages of pregnancy (before the soul enters), is knowledge unknown to Jinn. Jinn are just like us in the sense of being limited with regards to understanding the intricacies of creation. The science did not exist and embryology wasn’t studied to that extent. So this alone tells us that it wasn’t a Jinn who relayed these verses as they don’t have that knowledge. It had to have been divine knowledge.

secondly, as you know, Jinn aren’t allowed to interact with humans. There is an unseen world and the seen world as we know it. The Jinns that do interact or approach humans are with the army of Satan (Iblees). As a side note for those who are unaware, we don’t believe Iblees/Satan to be a fallen angel, as angels don’t have freewill in Islam and are created solely to worship and serve God. We believe Iblees is a Jinn.
So a Jinn can’t have approached Muhammad with a command for for him to ‘Read/Recite in the name of your Lord’ as Jinns who approach humans are disbelievers and wouldn’t encourage someone to remember their Lord.

There are other verses in the chapter which reference the afterlife and prayer. These are simply not topics that a Jinn would relay or encourage a human to ponder on. The army of Iblees want us to enter hellfire with them so they would do everything in their might to keep us astray.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[Haich]

Yeah the idea that all 3 are equal would be the catholic doctrine of the trinity.
Most people will default to that understanding if a Christian believes Jesus Christ is the son of God.

As for my beliefs, the Bible says He is the son of God. But yes, in a human body He had some limitations which the Bible mentions, and He did the will of the Father. The Bible says the Father resurrected Him.

So i'm gonna conclude that the catholics probably approprated some pagan aspects to appease the pagans, as they did with many other things. At the same time, i believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, but having a human body he had some limitations.

If this means "making him equal to God", then that's what people can say it means.

As for the couple analogy, yeah kind of like how we're two people, but my husband has the final say. We're one couple but have different roles. I get my spending power from him. But im still a separate person.


I do go by scripture, and i've acknowledged those things.
Perhaps the issue is that no one considers that it may not be exactly as the catholics claim, but He is still the son of God.

Making it an all or nothing oversimplifies the issue.

I have to say Toxic you have a very unique view of the trinity. Many Christians tend to argue they’re 3 co equal forms of God. It’s not a catholic principle I know of Christians who believe this too.

why are you compelled to believe he is the literal son of God?

 

[A Freeman]

Further proof that the pagan "triune god" is NOT the God of the Bible...

Did Jesus pray to "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"? No.

Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, prayed to the Father ALONE, and taught His Disciples to do the same.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep through THINE own name those whom Thou hast given me, that they may be one, as We [are].

Matthew 6:9-13
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.
6:10 Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
6:12 And forgive us our debts and trespasses (if we truly repent), as we forgive our debtors and those who trespass against us (if they truly repent).
6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For Thine is The Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

In addition to over 50 references to Christ being the Son of God (i.e. the created offspring of God), over 80 references to Jesus (the son of Mary whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago) being the "Son of Man" (something God Himself said He could NEVER be), over 50 references to Christ being sent by God, and numerous references made by Christ that He is only a Servant of God, we have Christ's own words and example of worshiping, praying to, glorifying and giving all of the credit to Father.

In fact, there are almost 200 verses referring to Father in the Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and not one single verse referring to "the trinity" or to "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" -- and that includes Matthew 28:19, where that wording was very obviously ADDED to the original text by the Roman Catholic church, just as they did in 1 John 5:7-8.

IF there was such a thing as a "trinity", as we find in ancient Babylonian paganism, and this is allegedly some critically important doctrine (even though it's found nowhere in the Bible), as most "Christians" have been duped into believing, then why didn't Christ ever talk about it? We have almost 200 verses below which presented a golden opportunity to promote the so-called "trinity" doctrine, and yet Christ ALWAYS gave credit instead to Father, Whom Christ plainly stated (at least 7 times) is Christ's God.

References made by Jesus in the Gospel accounts to His Father and His God:-

Matthew (42)
5:16; 5:44-45; 5:48; 6:1; 6:4-18; 6:26; 6:32; 7:11; 7:21-24; 10:17-20; 10:28-33; 11:25-27; 12:50; 13:41-43; 15:13-14; 16:15-17; 16:27; 18:10; 18:14; 18:19; 18:35; 19:16-17; 20:23; 23:9; 24:36; 25:34; 26:29; 26:39; 26:42; 26:53-54

Mark (6)
8:38; 10:17-18; 11:25-26; 13:32; 14:36

Luke (17)
1:32; 2:49; 6:36; 9:26; 10:21-22; 11:2; 12:28-32; 18:18-19; 22:29-30; 22:41-42; 23:34; 23:46; 24:49

John (134)
1:14; 1:18; 2:16; 3:34-36; 4:21-24; 5:16-47; 6:27-29; 6:32-40; 6:44-46; 6:57; 6:65; 8:7-10 (8:16-19 KJV); 8:16-23 (8:25-55 KJV); 10:14-38; 11:40-42; 12:26-30; 12:48-50; 13:1-3; 14:1-2; 14:6-7; 14:9-16; 14:20; 14:23-31; 15:1; 15:8-10; 15:15-16; 15:23-27; 16:2-3; 16:10; 16:15-17; 16:23-32; 17; 18:11; 20:17; 20:21

HUNDREDS of verses proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the "trinity" is satanic, unscriptural and pagan ought to be enough for anyone who claims to be "filled with the Holy Spirit".

And for the extremely hard-headed/hard-hearted/stiff-necked, who run to their ridiculous misinterpretation of John 1:1, please see the following logical and scriptural explanation of the true meaning of that verse at the link below:

In the Beginning Was the Word

A no nonsense examination during these end-times of the Word from God that started it all.

gibraltar-messenger.net

 

[Haich]

Doesit align with scripture or does it contradict it?
If it aligns, it's the Holy Ghost, if it contradicts it it is antichrist.

But what about general things? I’ve heard of Christians praying for let’s say guidance or answers as to what job they should apply for or other general life decisions like starting a family or getting married. How do you know it’s the Holy Spirit guiding you in your decision? And what about those who don’t believe in Christianity but also make the same decisions and have the same outcomes as those who have prayed with the Holy Spirit?

Let me clarify. If I want to start a family but I’m worried about money, let’s say I pray to God for guidance and then I’m comforted and compelled to start a family as I feel everything will work out, what’s the difference if a Christian with the Holy Spirit comes to the same conclusion?

Or an easier example, if I’m unsure about whether to take a job and pray on it, then after I feel hesitant and unsettled and don’t take the job. That would mean maybe there isn’t any good in that position and as I asked God for help, he guided me away. If a Christian does this, with the Holy Spirit, the results are the same.

In Islam we believe God answers everyone’s prayers. Regardless of who they are. So for us it’s not limited to Muslims, God’s mercy surpasses his anger and he is merciful to those who call on Him in a sincere manner. The difference is that those who submit to one true God gain the afterlife too. That’s the ‘selling point’ I guess.

If The Holy Spirit only helps you based upon the condition you accept Jesus as your Lord/Saviour/son of God; why do we see God helping others or answering their prayers?

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

I have to say Toxic you have a very unique view of the trinity. Many Christians tend to argue they’re 3 co equal forms of God. It’s not a catholic principle I know of Christians who believe this too.

why are you compelled to believe he is the literal son of God?

I believe in HIs death and resurrection, that He was prophesied in the Old Testament.

The Bible says He is the son of God. If by "literal" we mean the way the rest of us were created, then no, the Bible doesnt say that. But it says He is God's only begotten son.

I know many say they are co equal, but that would involve denying the scriptures. I will trust the Bible over a bunch of catholics. (And no, the catholics didnt edit the Bible, because if they had they would have made it actually agree with their teachings)

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

But what about general things? I’ve heard of Christians praying for let’s say guidance or answers as to what job they should apply for or other general life decisions like starting a family or getting married. How do you know it’s the Holy Spirit guiding you in your decision? And what about those who don’t believe in Christianity but also make the same decisions and have the same outcomes as those who have prayed with the Holy Spirit?

Let me clarify. If I want to start a family but I’m worried about money, let’s say I pray to God for guidance and then I’m comforted and compelled to start a family as I feel everything will work out, what’s the difference if a Christian with the Holy Spirit comes to the same conclusion?

Or an easier example, if I’m unsure about whether to take a job and pray on it, then after I feel hesitant and unsettled and don’t take the job. That would mean maybe there isn’t any good in that position and as I asked God for help, he guided me away. If a Christian does this, with the Holy Spirit, the results are the same.

In Islam we believe God answers everyone’s prayers. Regardless of who they are. So for us it’s not limited to Muslims, God’s mercy surpasses his anger and he is merciful to those who call on Him in a sincere manner. The difference is that those who submit to one true God gain the afterlife too. That’s the ‘selling point’ I guess.

If The Holy Spirit only helps you based upon the condition you accept Jesus as your Lord/Saviour/son of God; why do we see God helping others or answering their prayers?

The best way i can explain it is that God answers our prayers, but sometimes the answer is "no" or "not yet".

But only God and us know what is in our heart and our motivations. The answer depends on the why not just the what. Which is we we should not focus on other's situations in a way that we feel envy or covetousness. God knows what we deserve, as He knows all.

Perhaps im not understanding the question...

 

[Haich]

The best way i can explain it is that God answers our prayers, but sometimes the answer is "no" or "not yet".

But only God and us know what is in our heart and our motivations. The answer depends on the why not just the what. Which is we we should not focus on other's situations in a way that we feel envy or covetousness. God knows what we deserve, as He knows all.

Perhaps im not understanding the question...

I think I’m not explaining what I want to say clearly as it’s quite complicated.

I’ll try again. You have two people, one Christian and one Muslim. They both pray to God to get a job they’ve applied for. They both get it and are happy. Why were both prayers answered? What did the Holy Spirit add to the prayer of the Christian?