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[delusion.everywhere]

I am not sold on the narrative that Israel and Iran are enemies.
Also, hard to know what happened 60 years ago unless we were there. If time has proven anything, it's that his-story is mostly lies.

Egypt has a ZOG, so does Jordan. No surprise to see Israelis crossing their borders freely.

If Israel tech is far superior, then how did Hamas get past it and wreck the country? Think they reported 1400 deaths the first day?

Sounds like you are watching too much MSM, but reality is neither of us have 100% truth, not with liars on both sides feeding a narrative.
Bots, infiltration.. end of the day everything is left muddy.

What Israel doesn't have, is God. ..and that makes all the difference.

"Allah does not love the oppressor" (3:140 Qur'an)

“Beware of the supplication of the oppressed, for there is no barrier between it and Allah.” [Sahih al Bukhari]

What is ZOG?

 

[Haich]

Shii’ism is huge. It’s an umbrella term with so many factions. You can’t lump them together. There are ones which curse Aisha (ra) and pretty much worship the 12 ‘imams’ but this isn’t a majority. You’re lumping them altogether and making takfir on an entire group of Muslims.

 

[Haich]

So, would it be fair to assume then that it's even harder to know what happened over 2000 years ago or even 10 or 20 thousand years ago if you weren't there? Because as it stands you reckon you know exactly what happened.

Mentioning or referring to any type of book will not be a sufficient response.

Following your own logic your belief of the origins of life and the reason for life may be slightly flawed.

What ya reckon?

Awoken you’re an atheist, why do you like talking about religion so much if I may ask lol

 

[z gharib]

Some things I agree with, others I don't. I don't want to cut your post up, then go back and forth because these usually turn into books.
But I'll make a few points.

Shia's are somewhat of a diverse group. Obviously, those who beat themselves or call upon Ali (ra) are upon clear deviance. But not all of them have these beliefs like the infallible 12 imams or w/e.

This goes for all the sects, Salafi, Deobandi, etc. Unless there are clear signs of kufr like Ahmadis who believe in a prophet after Muhammad (saw). How can we say they are not Muslim?

We need to be careful with takfir. If you call a Muslim a kafir, and he is not, then it comes back to you. The signs must be absolutely clear, lest you risk leaving Islam yourself.


Sorry, I don't know who the guy in your twitter link is.

for some a hatered of shia and takfir of them and demonizing them even more than they do on christians ,hindus and even zionists ......makes you think what is their goal and whos agent are they ?.....

 

[Daze]

So, would it be fair to assume then that it's even harder to know what happened over 2000 years ago or even 10 or 20 thousand years ago if you weren't there? Because as it stands you reckon you know exactly what happened.

Sure, but only if you ignore the proofs. Of which Islam has many.

Mentioning or referring to any type of book will not be a sufficient response.

I think a book that is 1400 years old and has seen millions over these 1400 years absolutely hate it, and not a single one able to change a single letter in it, is more than a sufficient response.

You can deny it all the way to the grave Awoke, but the reality is the Quran is our modern day, Jesus raising the dead, miracle.
That has been completely memorized by millions across the globe, all 6000+ ayat.

We can throw every single holy book into the sea, Bible, Torah, all of them and only the Quran can be recovered perfectly. Because God has preserved it in the minds of millions of Muslims. It's been this way for 1400 years, it can not be edited. Make a mistake and a 6, 7 yr old child will correct you.

Following your own logic your belief of the origins of life and the reason for life may be slightly flawed.

If your granddad was an ape, why are apes still here?

 

[90sWereBetter]

Some things I agree with, others I don't. I don't want to cut your post up, then go back and forth because these usually turn into books.
But I'll make a few points.

Shia's are somewhat of a diverse group. Obviously, those who beat themselves or call upon Ali (ra) are upon clear deviance. But not all of them have these beliefs like the infallible 12 imams or w/e.

This goes for all the sects, Salafi, Deobandi, etc. Unless there are clear signs of kufr like Ahmadis who believe in a prophet after Muhammad (saw). How can we say they are not Muslim?

We need to be careful with takfir. If you call a Muslim a kafir, and he is not, then it comes back to you. The signs must be absolutely clear, lest you risk leaving Islam yourself.


Sorry, I don't know who the guy in your twitter link is.

you don't know who Ebn Hussein is? he is with the Sunni Discourse formerly Sunni Discourse.

I already said- and I have the fataawa- the classical scholars did not consider the Shia to be Muslim. I said it before, I will say it again- many if not most or all (and I lean towards most or all) Shia are kaffirs. If this is takfiri, Imam Bukhari was takfiri. And I love my Muslim brothers for the sake of Allah... but I consider the opinion of Imam Bukhari a bit weightier than that of anonymous forum posters.

I say as well to anyone who defends the Shia and calls to unity with them- if the things the Shia say about Aisha, if they said these things about your own mother would you defend them? Why would you not accept these things to be said about your mother but you would accept for them to be said about the wife of rasul Allah ﷺ? Myself, I love Aisha and I love rasul Allah ﷺ and I think anyone who defends the Shia may have a deficiency in this regard.

 

[Haich]

If your granddad was an ape, why are apes still here?

Lool thanks for the chuckle

 

[90sWereBetter]

for some a hatered of shia and takfir of them and demonizing them even more than they do on christians ,hindus and even zionists ......makes you think what is their goal and whos agent are they ?.....

whose agent was Imam Bukhari? and it isn't just him, I have a bunch of fataawa from classical scholars. go check what the classical scholars said about them.

and I'm not for Hindus, Zionists or whatever. those are a different topic. holding the classical sunni view of shi'ism has nothing to do with being pro Hinduism or Zionism or whatever.

 

[Haich]

@90sWereBetter start a thread in the religious forum and post what you’re referring to as I’d like to have a read of your sources regarding takfir on all shias. Let’s keep this thread to Palestine inshaAllah.

 

[dorakorea]

A lot of actors paying lip service to Palestine that’s for sure but really can’t make any concrete conclusions as to the claims of Iran aiding them in their plight.

Like Daze said, the people do have the power and I think they’re ultimately winning the information war online right now. Israel have struggled with the ground invasion and have had many casualties and deaths but this is not being reported on. They’re going ham with the air strikes because their ground attempts have been pathetic.
We only have the evidence that’s being recorded in real time by the Palestinians themselves and trusted commentators (I have always followed Low-key regarding this issue as he has been researching and campaigning for over a decade in the UK).

We need to remember too that the people in The West in particular are at such a heightened level of anti-establishment. There’s a lot of distrust and anger at the handling of the Plandemic and Vaccine programmes. You guys have Biden and we’re on our 3rd unelected prime minister. Energy bills and cost of living, housing…all these things fuel the people to rebel against their leaders and add Palestine into the mix, you have an immense number of people globally ready to support them.

Don’t underestimate the people. That’s why the US are now sending more ‘aid’ to Israel to help fund not only the war but the propaganda machine.

unfortunately, I believe that people are also manipulated. that shady guy Musk is making profits from all the posts about Gaza on his platform. this is one of the reasons why we get such big coverage. No one is innocent in this.
the way they tell WW2 ("good countries and good people destroy the evil German man") gives us the illusion that individuals count in wars,that they have a say. but let's be realistic. Bankers like the Rotschilds are behind wars and massacres. People can't fight financial empires. I would not dare to go against the Rotschilds even if I had a chance. Satan hides in every place and is invincibile.

 

[Daze]

What is ZOG?

Zionist occupied government.

Funny enough, pointing this out is hate speech.

 

[90sWereBetter]

Shii’ism is huge. It’s an umbrella term with so many factions. You can’t lump them together. There are ones which curse Aisha (ra) and pretty much worship the 12 ‘imams’ but this isn’t a majority. You’re lumping them altogether and making takfir on an entire group of Muslims.

I am making takfir but I don't think I'm making takfir on Muslims. Also I have not said every single shia is a kaffir. Although many classical scholars were of that view. I said many, most or all of them are kaffir. And I lean towards many or most.

All these shia apologetic views.... it is a modern, watered-down viewpoint. Whoever holds these views should go check what the classical scholars said. My view is very mild.

 

[Daze]

for some a hatered of shia and takfir of them and demonizing them even more than they do on christians ,hindus and even zionists ......makes you think what is their goal and whos agent are they ?.....

I don't think he has an agenda. Just young and newer to Islam is all.

I've been a Muslim for about 12 years, and the only thing I am certain of is I don't know everything.

 

[Daze]

Lool thanks for the chuckle

They speak of logic, but really have none.

 

[delusion.everywhere]

@90sWereBetter start a thread in the religious forum and post what you’re referring to as I’d like to have a read of your sources regarding takfir on all shias. Let’s keep this thread to Palestine inshaAllah.

100% agreed.

 

[90sWereBetter]

@90sWereBetter start a thread in the religious forum and post what you’re referring to as I’d like to have a read of your sources regarding takfir on all shias. Let’s keep this thread to Palestine inshaAllah.

ok I will post later insha'Allah the fataawa I am referring to. and btw even though I strongly disagree with some views here, I don't mean anything personal against anyone here. what I have said is aimed at ideas, not users here. although yes what the Shia have said about Aisha.... I have seen it and it absolutely makes my blood boil.

 

[z gharib]

whose agent was Imam Bukhari? and it isn't just him, I have a bunch of fataawa from classical scholars. go check what the classical scholars said about them.

and I'm not for Hindus, Zionists or whatever. those are a different topic. holding the classical sunni view of shi'ism has nothing to do with being pro Hinduism or Zionism or whatever.

1 Shii’ism is huge. It’s an umbrella term with so many factions. You can’t lump them together. There are ones which curse Aisha (ra) and pretty much worship the 12 ‘imams’ but this isn’t a majority. You’re lumping them altogether and making takfir on an entire group of Muslims.
i need context and about which sect is taking the fatwa of Bukhari and classical scholar .......at the end of the day if islam order us to deal fairly with christians and jews and even polytheists .....for me shias place is more nearer to islam than other religions and ways.....uuuhhhhh how can i say it language barrier

 

[90sWereBetter]

I don't think he has an agenda. Just young and newer to Islam is all.

I've been a Muslim for about 12 years, and the only thing I am certain of is I don't know everything.

I am not new to Islam. and like I said, my view of Shia is very mild compared to the classical scholars. were they young and new to Islam?

 

[90sWereBetter]

at the end of the day if islam order us to deal fairly with christians and jews and even polytheists .....for me shias place is more nearer to islam than other religions and ways.....uuuhhhhh how can i say it language barrier

saying that many, most or all shia are kaffir is dealing fairly with them.

 

[Haich]

ok I will post later insha'Allah the fataawa I am referring to. and btw even though I strongly disagree with some views here, I don't mean anything personal against anyone here. what I have said is aimed at ideas, not users here. although yes what the Shia have said about Aisha.... I have seen it and it absolutely makes my blood boil.

no worries brother, it’s good to have a healthy discussion about differences. Look forward to reading it inshaAllah.
Yes I totally agree those kind of shias are definitely deranged.