Discrepancies between the Bible and the “King of Kings” version

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In the Koran (Quran), the unlawful substitutions of "Ishmael" have been corrected, restoring those verses back to their original content.

A comparison of Sura 2:125-127 between the Yusuf Ali and the corrected King of kings' Bible may be found below, along with a summary study of how we can be absolutely certain that Ishmael never appeared in the original Koran (Quran), according to the Koran itself.

Boldface emphasis added.

Yusuf Ali:

Sura 2:125-127
2:125. Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
2:126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"
2:127. And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.


King of kings' Bible:

Sura 2:125-127
2:125. Remember We made The House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety and take ye The Station of Abraham (Mt. Moriah - Gen. 22:2) as a place of prayer and We Covenanted with Abraham and Isaac (Gen. 17:21), that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (there, in prayer).
2:126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of PEACE (Jeru-SALEM in Hebrew), and feed its people with fruits,- such of them as believe God and in the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,- for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"
2:127. And remember Abraham and Isaac (Gen. 17:21, 22:2; Sura 37:101-102, 112-113) raised the foundations of The House (with this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.


THE GOOD NEWS OF A BOY

(PROOF that Abraham offered ISAAC, NOT Ishmael, according to the Koran/Quran itself)

Sura 37:101 And We gave Abraham the "good news" of a boy ready to suffer and forbear (through the angel messengers We sent to him).

Sura 37:102 Then, when the boy reached the age of serious work with him Abraham said, "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice."

Sura 37:112 And We gave him the "good news" of Isaac - a prophet - one of the righteous (through the angel messengers We sent to him).

Sura 37:113 We blessed Abraham and Isaac.

Sura 6:84 And We gave Abraham Isaac and Jacob: all three We guided aright.

Sura 38:45-46 And commemorate Our servants Abraham, Isaac (not Ishmael), and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision. Verily did We choose them for a special purpose - proclaiming the Message of the Hereafter. They were in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect and the good.

Sura 11:71 And We gave Abraham the glad tidings ("good news") of Isaac and after him Jacob / Israel (the son of Isaac).

Sura 15:54 "Good news" of a son.

Sura 51:28 Glad tidings ("good news") of a son (Isaac - "laughter" in Hebrew) and Sarah laughed being 90 years old (the word Isaac means laughter and because Sarah laughed the child was named "laughter" - Isaac in Hebrew).

We gave the "good news" means "news from God" via an angel messenger. No angel was ever sent to Abraham to announce the birth of Ishmael and this is born-out by all of the Holy Scriptures. Ishmael was born because of Sarai (Sarah) persuading Abraham to take her handmaid, not because of God, and was born to an Egyptian surrogate-mother, called Hagar.

All of the references of "good news" refer to Isaac and not to Ishmael, proving that the Meccans changed the name Isaac for Ishmael in Sura 2:125 and 127.

The reference to the "City of Peace" in between, in Sura 2:126 is also rock-solid proof that the sacrifice took place on Mt. Moriah in JERUSALEM, rather than anywhere near "Mecca", a city that would not exist for another 3000 years (Mecca doesn't appear on any map of the Arabian peninsula until the 10th century A.D.). The term "makkah" means "physical altercation" or "confrontation", NOT "city of peace". Jeru-Salem on the other hand, does means "City of Peace".

However Ishmael was blessed by God, later, when Abraham, who loved him, asked God to let Ishmael live before God (Genesis 17:18-20).

Further note/proof:

References to the "Children of Israel" in the Koran (Quran): 41.
References to the "Children of Ishmael" in the the Koran (Quran):
0.

The Children of Israel are the descendants of Abraham through Isaac, NOT Ishmael. It was with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob-Israel that God established His Covenant, NOT Ishmael, exactly as it says in God's Law (Gen. 17:20-21) and as confirmed throughout the Koran.

There are at least 41 references to the Children of Israel in the Koran to ensure they are set apart from all other people:-

Suras 2:40, 2:47, 2:83, 2:122, 2:132, 2:211, 2:246, 3:49, 3:84, 3:93, 4:163, 5:13, 5:35, 5:73, 5:81, 5:113, 7:105, 7:134, 7:137, 10:90, 10:93, 17:4, 17:101, 17:104, 19:58, 20:47, 20:80, 20:94, 26:17, 26:22, 26:60, 26:197, 27:76, 32:23, 40:53, 43:59, 44:30, 45:16, 46:10, 61:6, 61:14

Conversely, there is no mention of the children of Ishmael anywhere in the Koran, because God did NOT establish His Covenant with Ishmael, nor with his descendants. This alone should call into question any embellishment of Ishmael and raise red-flags at attempts to deceive, divide and conquer.
Well - that is interesting!

Btw - would you agree that Ismail was not the son who God asked Abraham to sacrifice @Infinityloop ?

This is really important to me as the story of Abraham and Isaac prefigures the Gospel and has the Christian doctrine of substitutionary atonement at its heart.

If the Qu’ran actually indicates that Issac was the son In question, we have more common spiritual ground that I had been led to believe and that makes me happy!!!


Edit: I haven’t seen the film myself yet as I’m in the UK but when I can, I certainly will having watched a bit of background on it!

 
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There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name, nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem, NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does NOT mean the City of Peace; the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew.

Please see: Sura 2:125-127, 2:144, 3:96-97, 5:98, 6:92, 9:7, 9:19, 9:28, 9:108, 14:35, 17:1, 22:25-26, 27:91, 42:7, 48:22-25, Sura 90:1-2 and Sura 95:1-4, all of which direct us to turn and face Jerusalem, where Abraham offered his miracle son Isaac and became a “friend of God”.

King of kings' Bible - Sura 2:125-127
2:125. Remember We made The House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety and take ye The Station of Abraham (Mt. Moriah - Gen. 22:2) as a place of prayer and We Covenanted with Abraham and ISAAC (Gen. 17:21), that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (there, in prayer).
2:126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of PEACE (Jeru-SALEM in Hebrew), and feed its people with fruits,- such of them as believe God and in the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,- for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"
2:127. And remember Abraham and ISAAC (Gen. 17:21, 22:2; Sura 37:101-102, 112-113) raised the foundations of The House (with this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

Sura 2:144. We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Sacrifice that shall please thee? Turn thy face in the direction of THE Holy Place: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of The Book (Bible) know well that that is the truth from their Lord (1 kings 8:29-30; 2 Chron 3:1). Nor is God unaware of what they do.

Sura 6:92. And this (Koran) is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Isaiah 1:1, 21, 52:1-2, 62:11-12; Matt. 23:37, Gal. 4:26) and all around her (just like almost all of the previous Prophets were also told to do). Those who believe in the Hereafter (also) believe this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.

Sura 14:35. Remember Abraham said: "O my Lord! Make this city one of peace (Jeru-salem, city of peace) and security: and preserve me and my sons from worshipping idols.

Sura 42:7. Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Koran: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem – Jer. 15:5-8, Matt. 5:35, Gal. 4:26) and all around her,- and warn (them) of The Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in The Garden, and some in The Blazing Fire.

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Direct Comparison:

Sura 48:22-25 - Yusuf Ali
48:22. If the Unbelievers should fight you, they would certainly turn their backs; then would they find neither protector nor helper.
48:23. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah already in the past: no change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
48:24. And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of Makka, after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
48:25. They are the ones who denied Revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, (Allah would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.

Sura 48:22-25 - King of kings' Bible
48:22. If the Unbelievers should fight you, they would certainly turn their backs; then would they find neither protector nor helper.
48:23. (Such has been) the practice (approved) by "I AM" already in the past: NO CHANGE wilt thou find in the practice (approved) by "I AM" (Heb. 13:8).
48:24. And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of the physical altercation*, after that He gave you the victory over them. And "I AM" sees well all that ye do.
48:25. They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Holy Place and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, ("I AM" would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.

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*Note: The morally and intellectually bankrupt attempt to promote pagan Mecca as “the Holy Place”, “Mother of Cities”, “City of Peace” and the place where the First and ONLY House of God (Solomon's Temple) was built (where animals were sacrificed), hinges on the deceitful insertion of “Mecca” into ONE VERSE, Sura 48:24, in all of the intentional mistranslations of the Koran.

The Arabic word “makkah” does NOT translate to “Mecca”; it means physical altercation or confrontation. It also is NOT interchangeable with “Bakkah” (Sura 3:96), as M's and B's cannot be substituted for one another in Arabic. Bakkah is derived from the Hebrew word “Baca” which means “tears”. The Valley of Baca/Tears (Ps. 84:6-7) received its name because it's where Abraham passed through with Isaac heavy-hearted, on his way to Mt. Moriah, to sacrifice Isaac, as God COMMANDED him to do, to test his faith.

Mt. Moriah is in Jerusalem, which is also referred to as the “mother of cities” because it's where Abraham's children were born and/or raised, and where Abraham became a “friend of God” through his righteous actions, thereby setting the correct example for all of his children (Sura 3:68).

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother (of cities) of us all.

How is it possible then for anyone to think that Allah tells us in one verse (Sura 48:23) that we will find NO CHANGE in any of His approved practices (Matt. 5:17-19; John 7:16-17; Heb. 13:8), but in the very next verse He allegedly changed HIS City of Peace (Jeru-salem) to Mecca, HIS Valley of Tears (Baca) to Mecca, HIS Covenant with Isaac to Ishmael (Gen. 17:20-21), and HIS Holy Place (Isa. 28:16) to a pagan mosque in idolatrous Mecca (Acts 7:48, 17:24, Sura 9:107-108)?

There is no evidence of any kind that either the city of Mecca or the Arabic language even existed before the 7th century A.D.! And Mecca doesn't appear on any map of the Arabian peninsula, nor in any historical record of religious sites, nor on any known trade routes, until the 10th century A.D.!

Compare with: Gen. 22:2-3, 14, 1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14, 1 kings 8:29, 1 kings 8:41-45, 2 Chron. 3:1, 2 Chron. 6:18-21, Ps. 5:7, 84.4-7, 138:2, Isa. 56:7

Genesis 22:2-3, 14
22:2 And He said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said [to] this day, In the mount of the "I AM" it shall be seen (the mount of recognitionSura 2:198).

1 kings 8:29 That Thine eyes may be open toward THIS house night and day, [even] toward the place of which Thou hast said, MY name shall be there: that Thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which Thy servant shall make toward THIS place.

1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14
6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which [is] the second month, that he began to build The House of the "I AM".
6:2 And The House which king Solomon built for the "I AM", the length thereof [was] threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof twenty [cubits], and the height thereof thirty cubits (compare with the Meccan Temple [cubits]: 25.2 x 21.6 x 25.7).

6:11 And the Word of the "I AM" came to Solomon, saying,
6:12 [Concerning] this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in My Statutes, and execute My Judgments, and keep ALL My Commandments to walk in them; then will I perform My word with thee, which I spoke unto David thy father:
6:13 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake MY people Israel (who are descended from Isaac, NOT Ishmael).
6:14 So Solomon built The House, and finished it.

Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to My Holy Mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon Mine Altar; for Mine House shall be called "The House of prayer for ALL people" (Sura 9:107-8).

Jerusalem (City of Peace) is mentioned in the Bible OVER 800 TIMES (and over 100 times more as Zion, as well as indirectly at least 28 more times in the Koran, IF it's properly read and understood). It's where God said He put His Name, His House and where His Servants are instructed to pray towards. Conversely, there is no mention of Mecca anywhere in the Bible or in the Koran.

Which city do you think God placed an emphasis on? It isn't the “new Mecca” that will be coming down out of heaven; it's the NEW JERUSALEM.

Peace (salem) be upon you.
 

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A Closer, Scriptural look at Sura 62:9, and the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath (Al Sabt)


https://myislam.org/surah-jumuah/


يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِذَا نُودِىَ لِلصَّلَوٰةِ مِن يَوْمِ ٱلْجُمُعَةِ فَٱسْعَوْا۟ إِلَىٰ ذِكْرِ ٱللَّهِ وَذَرُوا۟ ٱلْبَيْعَ ۚ ذَ‌ٰلِكُمْ خَيْرٌۭ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ


Yaaa ayyuhal lazeena aamanoo izaa noodiya lis-Salaati miny yawmil Jumu’ati fas’aw ilaa zikril laahi wa zarul bai’; zaalikum khayrul lakum in kuntum ta’lamoon

9. O you who have believed, when [the adhan] is called for the prayer on the day of Jumu’ah [Friday], then proceed to the remembrance of Allah and leave trade. That is better for you, if you only knew.

The Arabic word “adhan” literally means “to listen”.

Friday in Arabic is written as يوم الجمعة, and it is pronounced as “yawm aljumea.” The last and seventh day of the week, Saturday in Arabic is written as يوم السبت, and it is pronounced as “yawm alsabt.” The names of all the days in the Arabic Language are listed in the simple table:

https://happydays365.org/days-of-the-week/weekdays-in-arabic/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

Note: Friday and Saturday are the only two days of the week that include the word “yawm” (day) in them (similar to the Hebrew "yom"). So Friday is literally the day to assemble/gather/prepare for Saturday, the Sabbath day.

Imaam Ibn Katheer,
said, "It was named Jumu'ah because it is derived from the word Al-Jam' in Arabic which means to gather


Jummah is the sixth day of the week. According to the Arabian literature, Jummah or al Jumu’ah are derived from jama’a-yajma’u-jaman, as its root means to gather, to collect, to unite, to count, and to combine.

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Direct Comparison of Sura 62

Yusuf Ali

Sūra 62: Jumu’a, or the Assembly (Friday) Prayer


62:1. Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare the Praises and Glory of Allah,- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
62:2. It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-
62:3. As well as (to confer all these benefits upon) others of them, who have not already joined them: And He is exalted in Might, Wise.
62:4. Such is the Bounty of Allah, which He bestows on whom He will: and Allah is the Lord of the highest bounty.
62:5. The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.
62:6. Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"
62:7. But never will they express their desire (for Death), because of the (deeds) their hands have sent on before them! and Allah knows well those that do wrong!
62:8. Say: "The Death from which ye flee will truly overtake you: then will ye be sent back to the Knower of things secret and open: and He will tell you (the truth of) the things that ye did!"
62:9. O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic): That is best for you if ye but knew!
62:10. And when the Prayer is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of Allah: and celebrate the Praises of Allah often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.
62:11. But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: "The (blessing) from the Presence of Allah is better than any amusement or bargain! and Allah is the Best to provide (for all needs)."



King of kings' Bible – Sura 62

Surah 62. The Gathering
(Friday the Day of Preparation for the Sabbath/Al Sabt)

62:1. Whatever is in the heavens and on Earth, doth declare the Praises and Glory of "I AM",- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Almighty, the Wise.
62:2. It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an Apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in unmistakable error;-
62:3. As well as (to confer all these benefits upon) others of them (Deut. 28:1-14), who have not already joined them: and He is Almighty, Wise.
62:4. Such is the Bounty of "I AM" (Sura 6:154-157), which He bestows on whom He will: and "I AM" is the Lord of the highest bounty.
62:5. The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge Books (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of "I AM" (Deut. 4:2): and "I AM" guides not people who do wrong.
62:6. Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to "I AM", to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"
62:7. But never will they express their desire (for Death), because of the (deeds) their hands have sent on before them (John 3:19-21)! And "I AM" knows well those that do wrong!
62:8. Say: "The Death from which ye flee will truly overtake you: then will ye be sent back to the Knower of things secret and open: and He will tell you (the truth of) the things that ye did!"
62:9. O ye who believe! When the call to gather (what is needed for the Sabbath/Al Sabt) on Friday (the Day of Preparation for the Sabbath/Al Sabt) is heard (Sura 61:6-7), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of "I AM", and leave off business (and trade on the Sabbath/Al Sabt): that is best for you if ye but knew (Neh. 10:31)!
62:10. And when the gathering is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of "I AM" (Sura 33:33; Matt. 6:33): and celebrate the Praises of "I AM" often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.
62:11. But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: "The (blessing) from the Presence of "I AM" is better than any amusement or bargain (Matt. 6:33)! And "I AM" is the Best to provide (for all needs)."

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Sura 61:6-7
61:6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against "I AM", even as he is BEING INVITED to do His Will (Matt. 22:14)? And "I AM" guides not those who do wrong (Satan does).

In The Law (Torah), we are COMMANDED to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy (Exod. 20:8-11, Deut. 5:12-15), which obviously requires us to prepare for it the day before, by gathering what is required to refrain from business (trade) on the Sabbath (Neh. 10:31).


Other References:

Day of Preparation – Luke 23:54.

Gathering – Exod. 16:4-5, 21-22, 27-29, Num. 15:32-36

Exodus 31:13-16
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a "Sign" between Me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the "I AM" that doth sanctify you.
31:14 Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the Sabbath of rest, holy to the "I AM": whosoever doeth [any] work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual Covenant.
31:17 It [is] a "Sign" between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the "I AM" made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

Sura 33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger. And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.
 
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So why did Jesus throw the merchants out of the temple and say it was his father's house if all ORGANIZED RRELIGION is a creation of satan and CHURCHES are a SATANIC creation of biblical translators
I just found another big passage that AJH mutilated on purpose. It is a well-known passage in which the apostle Paul says how wives and husbands should treat each other.

Real KJV:
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


Now the Kok PERversion of the passage:
5:23 ..... as Christ is the head of the community....
5:24 .... the community is subject unto Christ....
5:25 .... Christ also loved the community, and gave himself for it;
5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of [Living] Water by The Word,
5:27 ... a glorious community,.....
5:29 ....as the Lord the community:
5:32 ......but I speak concerning Christ and the community.


In 9 verses AJH substituted the word community instead of church 6 TIMES!!!!

That is blatant word replacement because the KJV clearly contradicts AJH's false doctrine.
 
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I just found another big passage that AJH mutilated on purpose. It is a well-known passage in which the apostle Paul says how wives and husbands should treat each other.

Real KJV:
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


Now the Kok PERversion of the passage:
5:23 ..... as Christ is the head of the community....
5:24 .... the community is subject unto Christ....
5:25 .... Christ also loved the community, and gave himself for it;
5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of [Living] Water by The Word,
5:27 ... a glorious community,.....
5:29 ....as the Lord the community:
5:32 ......but I speak concerning Christ and the community.


In 9 verses AJH substituted the word community instead of church 6 TIMES!!!!

That is blatant word replacement because the KJV clearly contradicts AJH's false doctrine.
“And where is this community?”
”oh this community doesnt gather. That would be satanic.
”but Jesus said wherever two or more are gathered He is there”
”uhmmm here let me change that…..good as new”
btw @A Freeman you need to tell AJH he forgot to change that verse, it’s still in the KOOK bible and clearly justifies the existence of churches. Big problem!
 
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A Closer, Scriptural look at Sura 62:9, and the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath (Al Sabt)


https://myislam.org/surah-jumuah/


يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِذَا نُودِىَ لِلصَّلَوٰةِ مِن يَوْمِ ٱلْجُمُعَةِ فَٱسْعَوْا۟ إِلَىٰ ذِكْرِ ٱللَّهِ وَذَرُوا۟ ٱلْبَيْعَ ۚ ذَ‌ٰلِكُمْ خَيْرٌۭ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ


Yaaa ayyuhal lazeena aamanoo izaa noodiya lis-Salaati miny yawmil Jumu’ati fas’aw ilaa zikril laahi wa zarul bai’; zaalikum khayrul lakum in kuntum ta’lamoon

9. O you who have believed, when [the adhan] is called for the prayer on the day of Jumu’ah [Friday], then proceed to the remembrance of Allah and leave trade. That is better for you, if you only knew.

The Arabic word “adhan” literally means “to listen”.

Friday in Arabic is written as يوم الجمعة, and it is pronounced as “yawm aljumea.” The last and seventh day of the week, Saturday in Arabic is written as يوم السبت, and it is pronounced as “yawm alsabt.” The names of all the days in the Arabic Language are listed in the simple table:

https://happydays365.org/days-of-the-week/weekdays-in-arabic/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0

Note: Friday and Saturday are the only two days of the week that include the word “yawm” (day) in them (similar to the Hebrew "yom"). So Friday is literally the day to assemble/gather/prepare for Saturday, the Sabbath day.

Imaam Ibn Katheer,
said, "It was named Jumu'ah because it is derived from the word Al-Jam' in Arabic which means to gather


Jummah is the sixth day of the week. According to the Arabian literature, Jummah or al Jumu’ah are derived from jama’a-yajma’u-jaman, as its root means to gather, to collect, to unite, to count, and to combine.

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Direct Comparison of Sura 62

Yusuf Ali

Sūra 62: Jumu’a, or the Assembly (Friday) Prayer


62:1. Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare the Praises and Glory of Allah,- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
62:2. It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-
62:3. As well as (to confer all these benefits upon) others of them, who have not already joined them: And He is exalted in Might, Wise.
62:4. Such is the Bounty of Allah, which He bestows on whom He will: and Allah is the Lord of the highest bounty.
62:5. The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.
62:6. Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"
62:7. But never will they express their desire (for Death), because of the (deeds) their hands have sent on before them! and Allah knows well those that do wrong!
62:8. Say: "The Death from which ye flee will truly overtake you: then will ye be sent back to the Knower of things secret and open: and He will tell you (the truth of) the things that ye did!"
62:9. O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic): That is best for you if ye but knew!
62:10. And when the Prayer is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of Allah: and celebrate the Praises of Allah often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.
62:11. But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: "The (blessing) from the Presence of Allah is better than any amusement or bargain! and Allah is the Best to provide (for all needs)."



King of kings' Bible – Sura 62

Surah 62. The Gathering
(Friday the Day of Preparation for the Sabbath/Al Sabt)

62:1. Whatever is in the heavens and on Earth, doth declare the Praises and Glory of "I AM",- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Almighty, the Wise.
62:2. It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an Apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in unmistakable error;-
62:3. As well as (to confer all these benefits upon) others of them (Deut. 28:1-14), who have not already joined them: and He is Almighty, Wise.
62:4. Such is the Bounty of "I AM" (Sura 6:154-157), which He bestows on whom He will: and "I AM" is the Lord of the highest bounty.
62:5. The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge Books (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of "I AM" (Deut. 4:2): and "I AM" guides not people who do wrong.
62:6. Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to "I AM", to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"
62:7. But never will they express their desire (for Death), because of the (deeds) their hands have sent on before them (John 3:19-21)! And "I AM" knows well those that do wrong!
62:8. Say: "The Death from which ye flee will truly overtake you: then will ye be sent back to the Knower of things secret and open: and He will tell you (the truth of) the things that ye did!"
62:9. O ye who believe! When the call to gather (what is needed for the Sabbath/Al Sabt) on Friday (the Day of Preparation for the Sabbath/Al Sabt) is heard (Sura 61:6-7), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of "I AM", and leave off business (and trade on the Sabbath/Al Sabt): that is best for you if ye but knew (Neh. 10:31)!
62:10. And when the gathering is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of "I AM" (Sura 33:33; Matt. 6:33): and celebrate the Praises of "I AM" often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.
62:11. But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: "The (blessing) from the Presence of "I AM" is better than any amusement or bargain (Matt. 6:33)! And "I AM" is the Best to provide (for all needs)."

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Sura 61:6-7
61:6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against "I AM", even as he is BEING INVITED to do His Will (Matt. 22:14)? And "I AM" guides not those who do wrong (Satan does).

In The Law (Torah), we are COMMANDED to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy (Exod. 20:8-11, Deut. 5:12-15), which obviously requires us to prepare for it the day before, by gathering what is required to refrain from business (trade) on the Sabbath (Neh. 10:31).


Other References:

Day of Preparation – Luke 23:54.

Gathering – Exod. 16:4-5, 21-22, 27-29, Num. 15:32-36

Exodus 31:13-16
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a "Sign" between Me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the "I AM" that doth sanctify you.
31:14 Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the Sabbath of rest, holy to the "I AM": whosoever doeth [any] work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual Covenant.
31:17 It [is] a "Sign" between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the "I AM" made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

Sura 33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger. And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.
Lol, AJH in his mutilation of Yusuf Ali's translation, deceitfully changes Friday (Jumu'ah) to the Sabbath (Shabbat).

Yet incompetently left this in Surah an-Nahl:

Qur'an, Surah 16:124
The Sabbath was ordained only for those who disputed about Abraham.
And surely your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Judgment regarding their disputes


And in AJH's version:

"The Sabbath was only made (strict) for those who disagreed (as to its observance); but "I AM" will judge between them on The Day of Judgment, as to their differences."





Yet you in the above post claim "nah the Sabbath is for us too, Surah 62 is actually about the Sabbath and not Friday".
What incompetency.

You also say: "The Arabic word “adhan” literally means “to listen”." Which is hilarious because, while the verse does refer to the Adhan calling Muslims to the Jummah prayer (which is our equivalent of a Sunday Christian service, though not much like it), it doesn't mention the word 'Adhan'.
It says "nudiya lilssalati". Nudiya means something that is called out aloud, whereas the term "Adhan" refers specifically to the actual thing that is called out aloud before the Jummah prayer (which is a fixed, unchanged sequence of several proclamations and glorifications of God).

It is funny how you still appeal to terms like Adhan (just like Mahdi) even though it's extra-Quranic and derived from Hadith and commentary (Tafsir) upon the Qur'an, and not the isolated text of the Qur'an itself. Again inconsistent, incomprehensible and most of all incompetent.
I don't ever expect to get you to agree that 1+1=2 but I will not shy away from correcting your idiotic claims and misrepresentations.
 
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So why did Jesus throw the merchants out of the temple and say it was his father's house if all ORGANIZED RRELIGION is a creation of satan and CHURCHES are a SATANIC creation of biblical translators
What about the Tabernacle as well, and the Temples of Solomon too?

A Freeman also unintentionally just showed in reference to the Qur'an that we too there are called for public congregation in worshipping God.
 
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“And where is this community?”
”oh this community doesnt gather. That would be satanic.
”but Jesus said wherever two or more are gathered He is there”
”uhmmm here let me change that…..good as new”
btw @A Freeman you need to tell AJH he forgot to change that verse, it’s still in the KOOK bible and clearly justifies the existence of churches. Big problem!
I wonder if A Freeman leaves his house because not only he has to walk around more people than solely himself but people that don't believe what he believes (which would be even worse than a congregation of people who believe the same thing which he believes is Satanic).
I can just imagine A Freeman having a mental breakdown when walking into a supermarket or someone knocking on his door :D
 

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One has to wonder if "Christians" or "Muslims" have ever read, much less studied The Law that God gave us, found only in the first five books of the Bible. The same Law that all of us are COMMANDED to keep.

The Sabbath Day is Saturday, the 7th day of the week. It always has been.

Nowhere in the New Covenant is the Sabbath day changed to Sun-day, the day of Babylonian sun-worship. Jesus rose on the Sabbath day, also known as The Lord's Day. That is why early on the first day of the week (Sun-day) the two Marys found the tomb EMPTY. It was empty because God had already raised Jesus on the SABBATH DAY.

Nowhere in the Koran (Quran) is the Sabbath day changed to Friday, the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath, when everything that is needed for the Sabbath is gathered.

Those who don't believe God (unbelievers/infidels) refuse to follow His Law. It is impossible to do God's Will without keeping His Law. The Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran) all consistently teach that we MUST to keep The Law and DO God's Will every moment of every day, every day of the year (60x60x24x365).

Why then do "Christians" and "Muslims" refuse to do God's Will? Why do they instead cling to their silly religious superstitions and traditions, aka the corporate fictional businesses aka "sects", "cults", etc., which God has repeatedly condemned and refers to as ABOMINATION (Isa. 1:10-18) because they make His Law/Commandments of no effect (Matt. 15:1-9)?



The ONLY Temple that God ever sanctioned was the one Solomon built, which He destroyed TWICE, the last time so thoroughly that there wasn't one single stone left on top of the other (there was no "wailing wall" left after the Romans destroyed the second temple in 70 AD, exactly as Christ prophesied). It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis who has built ALL of the other temples on Earth, aka churches, synagogues, mosques, etc., which is why God does NOT dwell there, in any of them (Acts 7:48; 17:24), and has warned us they have all been put up BY DECEPTION, and that we should NEVER set foot inside of them (Sura 9:107-111).

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for The Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

The Greek "ekklesia", which has been INCORRECTLY translated as "church" in many Bible translations, comes from "ek" and the root word "kaleo". Kaleo means to “call” and ek means “out of” in the sense of “away” and “from”. So the CORRECT meaning of the word "ekklesia" means the ones who have been called out (from the world and its worldly institutions and corporate fictional organized religions, etc.), i.e. the COMMUNITY of Christ, aka the "ELECT". The "Elect" are those chosen by God to be members of His Family (to know Him as Father) because they have shown by their actions to have FAITH, i.e. trust in God instead of trust in the world and its made up religious rites, rituals and corporate fictional organized religions and governments (church and state).

No wonder Christ said only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others.

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues/churches/mosques/temples, etc. and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

Just so everyone can see that the Koran (Quran) CONFIRMS what came before it, exactly as tells us, please see the following verses:-

Sura 4:142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching God, but He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen by men (Matt. 6:5), only little do they hold God in remembrance;

Sura 7:55. Call on your Lord with HUMILITY and in PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Matt. 6:6): for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.

Sura 33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger (Exod. 23:20-23; Sura 7:157-158). And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.

No one should go to any church, etc. on Friday, or Sunday, or even on the Sabbath Day, which is a day of rest, both physically and spiritually from the world.

Remove the log from your own eye, that prevents you from seeing. Learn to DO God's Will.

NONE of you are in a position to judge Christ, Who WILL judge every one of us (John 5:22) on Judgment Day (soon), according to our works (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 20:12-15) and by The Law that God gave us (Sura 6:152-162; Sura 43:57-69). Turn therefore from evil and learn to DO good, as God COMMANDS, that you may LIVE (Ezek. 18).
 

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One has to wonder if "Christians" or "Muslims" have ever read, much less studied The Law that God gave us, found only in the first five books of the Bible. The same Law that all of us are COMMANDED to keep.

The Sabbath Day is Saturday, the 7th day of the week. It always has been.

Nowhere in the New Covenant is the Sabbath day changed to Sun-day, the day of Babylonian sun-worship. Jesus rose on the Sabbath day, also known as The Lord's Day. That is why early on the first day of the week (Sun-day) the two Marys found the tomb EMPTY. It was empty because God had already raised Jesus on the SABBATH DAY.

Nowhere in the Koran (Quran) is the Sabbath day changed to Friday, the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath, when everything that is needed for the Sabbath is gathered.

Those who don't believe God (unbelievers/infidels) refuse to follow His Law. It is impossible to do God's Will without keeping His Law. The Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran) all consistently teach that we MUST to keep The Law and DO God's Will every moment of every day, every day of the year (60x60x24x365).

Why then do "Christians" and "Muslims" refuse to do God's Will? Why do they instead cling to their silly religious superstitions and traditions, aka the corporate fictional businesses aka "sects", "cults", etc., which God has repeatedly condemned and refers to as ABOMINATION (Isa. 1:10-18) because they make His Law/Commandments of no effect (Matt. 15:1-9)?



The ONLY Temple that God ever sanctioned was the one Solomon built, which He destroyed TWICE, the last time so thoroughly that there wasn't one single stone left on top of the other (there was no "wailing wall" left after the Romans destroyed the second temple in 70 AD, exactly as Christ prophesied). It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis who has built ALL of the other temples on Earth, aka churches, synagogues, mosques, etc., which is why God does NOT dwell there, in any of them (Acts 7:48; 17:24), and has warned us they have all been put up BY DECEPTION, and that we should NEVER set foot inside of them (Sura 9:107-111).

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for The Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

The Greek "ekklesia", which has been INCORRECTLY translated as "church" in many Bible translations, comes from "ek" and the root word "kaleo". Kaleo means to “call” and ek means “out of” in the sense of “away” and “from”. So the CORRECT meaning of the word "ekklesia" means the ones who have been called out (from the world and its worldly institutions and corporate fictional organized religions, etc.), i.e. the COMMUNITY of Christ, aka the "ELECT". The "Elect" are those chosen by God to be members of His Family (to know Him as Father) because they have shown by their actions to have FAITH, i.e. trust in God instead of trust in the world and its made up religious rites, rituals and corporate fictional organized religions and governments (church and state).

No wonder Christ said only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others.

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues/churches/mosques/temples, etc. and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

Just so everyone can see that the Koran (Quran) CONFIRMS what came before it, exactly as tells us, please see the following verses:-

Sura 4:142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching God, but He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen by men (Matt. 6:5), only little do they hold God in remembrance;

Sura 7:55. Call on your Lord with HUMILITY and in PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Matt. 6:6): for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.

Sura 33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger (Exod. 23:20-23; Sura 7:157-158). And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.

No one should go to any church, etc. on Friday, or Sunday, or even on the Sabbath Day, which is a day of rest, both physically and spiritually from the world.

Remove the log from your own eye, that prevents you from seeing. Learn to DO God's Will.

NONE of you are in a position to judge Christ, Who WILL judge every one of us (John 5:22) on Judgment Day (soon), according to our works (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 20:12-15) and by The Law that God gave us (Sura 6:152-162; Sura 43:57-69). Turn therefore from evil and learn to DO good, as God COMMANDS, that you may LIVE (Ezek. 18).
Patchwork quilting is a constructive skill.

Patchwork quoting of different religions' texts, centuries apart is useful only to cultists.

You have said in the past you have known AJH for 18 years. Do you have special religious meetings with fellow believers in him?
Not just an informal cup of tea and ginger biscuits, a proper religious meeting with some formalities and rituals (which follow a procedure)?

P.S. When does Anthony John Hill say Judgemnt Day is due?
 

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Patchwork quilting is a constructive skill.

Patchwork quoting of different religions' texts, centuries apart is useful only to cultists.

You have said in the past you have known AJH for 18 years. Do you have special religious meetings with fellow believers in him?
Not just an informal cup of tea and ginger biscuits, a proper
religious meeting with some formalities and rituals (which follow a procedure)?

P.S. When does Anthony John Hill say Judgemnt Day is due?
I would venture to say that A Freeman is actually far more bound by a religious observance not to gather in a building with chairs etc than those who group together to meet.

Any group of people gathering for a pre-planned meeting would be better choosing a building than a field as it might rain!!! I suspect you have to waste more time planning for enforced informality than simply meeting somewhere.
 
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I would venture to say that A Freeman is actually far more bound by a religious observance not to gather in a building with chairs etc than those who group together to meet.

Any group of people gathering for a pre-planned meeting would be better choosing a building than a field as it might rain!!!
That is word-gaming. People forming groups on what they don't do/have is similar to people forming groups for the opposite reasons.
Dr. Seuss did a good book on insiders versus outsiders.

 

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Patchwork quilting is a constructive skill.
Agreed. But sewing pillows to all armholes and hunting souls, as you do, is NOT.

Ezekiel 13:18-23
13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Woe to the [women] that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My people, and will ye save the souls alive [that come] unto you?
13:19 And will ye pollute Me among My people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My people that hear [your] lies?
13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Behold, I [am] against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make [them] fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, [even] the souls that ye hunt to make [them] fly.
13:21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I [am] the "I AM".
13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver My people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I [am] the "I AM".

Patchwork quoting of different religions' texts, centuries apart is useful only to cultists.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
3:16 ALL Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Is God not eternal? Are you the judge of His Words? Or do you speak on behalf of Satan, AGAINST His Anointed, The Word of God?

Question: Have you ever read the Koran (Quran) please?


You have said in the past you have known AJH for 18 years.
Yes, in this body's lifetime.

Do you have special religious meetings with fellow believers in him?
Do you mean in a church somewhere, with a pulpit? Or did you mean sitting around a campfire somewhere, so we could sing "kumbaya"?
Be serious!

Not just an informal cup of tea and ginger biscuits, a proper religious meeting with some formalities and rituals (which follow a procedure)?
Why would anyone need formalities and rituals to learn to speak to God? Can God Himself not teach anyone who actually wants to know Him how to properly communicate with Him? Isn't that the goal, i.e. to be in CONSTANT communication/prayer with Father (God) so that He can teach, guide and protect us every moment of every day of our Lives?

P.S. When does Anthony John Hill say Judgemnt Day is due?
Why do you ask such stupid, satanic questions, which have already been answered multiple times? Do you really not recognize it is Satan who sends you to do such things? And you then wonder why so many of these ridiculous, contentious questions are ignored.

As Christ said 2000 years ago, while He was here in the body of Jesus, and as He says now, while here in the body of JAH, NO ONE except Father knows the Day and the Hour of Judgment (Matt. 24:36).

Matthew 24:36 But of That Day and Hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/christs-second-coming-revealed-judgement-day-only-god-knows/
 

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1 Corinthians 3:16-17
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for The Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.
3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

Scriptural quotes above are from the King of kings' Bible, the most accurate Bible on Earth, provided as a free gift to mankind, to bring peace, unity, love and brotherhood to all TRUE BELIEVERS.

Peace be upon you.
 
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One has to wonder if "Christians" or "Muslims" have ever read, much less studied The Law that God gave us, found only in the first five books of the Bible. The same Law that all of us are COMMANDED to keep.

The Sabbath Day is Saturday, the 7th day of the week. It always has been.

Nowhere in the New Covenant is the Sabbath day changed to Sun-day, the day of Babylonian sun-worship. Jesus rose on the Sabbath day, also known as The Lord's Day. That is why early on the first day of the week (Sun-day) the two Marys found the tomb EMPTY. It was empty because God had already raised Jesus on the SABBATH DAY.

Nowhere in the Koran (Quran) is the Sabbath day changed to Friday, the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath, when everything that is needed for the Sabbath is gathered.

Those who don't believe God (unbelievers/infidels) refuse to follow His Law. It is impossible to do God's Will without keeping His Law. The Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran) all consistently teach that we MUST to keep The Law and DO God's Will every moment of every day, every day of the year (60x60x24x365).

Why then do "Christians" and "Muslims" refuse to do God's Will? Why do they instead cling to their silly religious superstitions and traditions, aka the corporate fictional businesses aka "sects", "cults", etc., which God has repeatedly condemned and refers to as ABOMINATION (Isa. 1:10-18) because they make His Law/Commandments of no effect (Matt. 15:1-9)?



The ONLY Temple that God ever sanctioned was the one Solomon built, which He destroyed TWICE, the last time so thoroughly that there wasn't one single stone left on top of the other (there was no "wailing wall" left after the Romans destroyed the second temple in 70 AD, exactly as Christ prophesied). It is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis who has built ALL of the other temples on Earth, aka churches, synagogues, mosques, etc., which is why God does NOT dwell there, in any of them (Acts 7:48; 17:24), and has warned us they have all been put up BY DECEPTION, and that we should NEVER set foot inside of them (Sura 9:107-111).

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for The Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

The Greek "ekklesia", which has been INCORRECTLY translated as "church" in many Bible translations, comes from "ek" and the root word "kaleo". Kaleo means to “call” and ek means “out of” in the sense of “away” and “from”. So the CORRECT meaning of the word "ekklesia" means the ones who have been called out (from the world and its worldly institutions and corporate fictional organized religions, etc.), i.e. the COMMUNITY of Christ, aka the "ELECT". The "Elect" are those chosen by God to be members of His Family (to know Him as Father) because they have shown by their actions to have FAITH, i.e. trust in God instead of trust in the world and its made up religious rites, rituals and corporate fictional organized religions and governments (church and state).

No wonder Christ said only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others.

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues/churches/mosques/temples, etc. and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

Just so everyone can see that the Koran (Quran) CONFIRMS what came before it, exactly as tells us, please see the following verses:-

Sura 4:142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching God, but He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen by men (Matt. 6:5), only little do they hold God in remembrance;

Sura 7:55. Call on your Lord with HUMILITY and in PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Matt. 6:6): for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.

Sura 33:33. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish constant Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey "I AM" and His Messenger (Exod. 23:20-23; Sura 7:157-158). And "I AM" only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.

No one should go to any church, etc. on Friday, or Sunday, or even on the Sabbath Day, which is a day of rest, both physically and spiritually from the world.

Remove the log from your own eye, that prevents you from seeing. Learn to DO God's Will.

NONE of you are in a position to judge Christ, Who WILL judge every one of us (John 5:22) on Judgment Day (soon), according to our works (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 20:12-15) and by The Law that God gave us (Sura 6:152-162; Sura 43:57-69). Turn therefore from evil and learn to DO good, as God COMMANDS, that you may LIVE (Ezek. 18).
"New Covenant" (as in the idea there is an old one and a new one which differ from each other) is a Christian idea that AJH has taken in a hyperdispensational direction (yet at the same time you actually claim to follow the Torah).

You've already cited the Surah of the Qur'an that literally is dedicated solely to the topic of the weekly congregation (Surah Jumu'ah), which is specifically about the Friday public congregation of public ritual prayer.
You've also just dodged me showing you directly where the Qur'an itself says that the Sabbath was a test for the Jews (Surah 16:124).
If the Qur'an enjoins upon us the observance of Friday, and doesn't for the Sabbath, then clearly it doesn't enjoin upon us the Sabbath does it?

And those "evil" Hadith you hate also confirms what the Qur'an says in that verse:

It was narrated that Hudhaifah said:
"Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) said: 'Allah sent astray from Friday those who came before us, so the Jews had Saturday and the Christians had Sunday. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, brought us and guided us to Friday, so there is Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and thus they will follow us on the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of the people of this world but the first on the Day of Resurrection for whom judgment will be passed before all other creatures.'"

A Freeman says: "It is impossible to do God's will without keeping his law" - this statement of yours is so stupid coming out of your mouth because you don't keep the Torah (in the extant form that Jews, Christians and the KOK has it). You don't sacrifice animals to JAH, you don't do any elaborate purification rituals, you haven't erected a PUBLIC sanctuary of public worship (Mosaically a Tabernacle but in later tradition a Temple and in later tradition a Synagogue and Church).

Surah 4:142 is not addressing pious worshippers, it is addressing hypocrites, it is self-explanatory. Your stupid cherry picking is unable to distinguish before the two.
Are you admitting to be a hypocrite A Freeman?

You cite Surah 7:55 but the only other appearance of the word 'wakhuf'yatan' which is translated as 'privately' is in the following:

Qur'an, Surah 6:63
Say, “Who rescues you from the darkest times on land and at sea? He you call upon with humility, openly and secretly: “If You rescue us from this, we will be ever grateful.”

How ironic isn't it?

Then you cite Surah 33:33 which is shown to be addressing the wives (Allah bless them) of Prophet Muhammad (A.S.) in previous verses.
AJH of course in his mutilation of the text, calls them "consorts" instead of wives which is hilarious and pathetic.

A Freeman says: "No one should go to any church, etc. on Friday, or Sunday, or even on the Sabbath Day, which is a day of rest, both physically and spiritually from the world."
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is this just an elaborate opinion piece to encourage us to stay home all day and eat Cheetos at our computers like you clearly must do?
 
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