why Christians reject Roman Catholic church

[A Freeman]

I HAVE read your book. You think i just randomly found a passage to screenshot?

But yes, I've read it, i will stick to reading the scriptures.

There have been points that I've agreed with you on, but you are just determined to argue and misconstrue everything i say.

It's a shame we can't just focus on the topic, which is the errors of the catholic church and its constantly evolving doctrine.

Thank-you. If you've read the little book, then you know or should know it doesn't condone or promote churches, etc. or the organized religious leaders (priests, pastors, etc.) that do business in them, and that it is specifically critical of idolatrous Roman Catholicism. You should also recognize that it is in perfect agreement with the Scriptures and is the prophetic fulfillment of John 16:25, Rev. 2:17 and Rev. 10.

What should be of interest to everyone reading this thread is that there are many doctrines, rites, rituals and traditions that the protestant denominations have adopted from Roman Catholicism. That doesn't mean nor imply the protestant denominations are wrong to call out how idolatrous Roman Catholicism is; only to point out how hypocritical it is to adopt various aspects of Roman Catholicism into Protestantism, as if there is ANYTHING of value to be learned from that Babylonian mystery religion, which has mixed and mingled countless pagan doctrines, etc. with the Scripture, to either out of ignorance or intentionally mislead people.

Multiple examples have been provided in previous posts. A few examples are listed below:

the tradition of Sun-day worship in churches
the celebration of pagan festivals, rebranded as "Christian", e.g. Yuletide/X-mass, Ishtar/Easter Sun-day, "all-saints day"
the "trinity" doctrine
the ritual of "Holy Communion"
the ritual of water baptism

None of these traditions, doctrines, rites/rituals are Biblical. In fact, they all make the Commandments of God of no effect.

Father (God) refers to the RCC as "the Great Whore" because the "mother church" whores its traditions for filthy lucre, as if they are allegedly the Word of God when they clearly are not. And sadly, her harlot daughters have followed in her footsteps.

Christ said it is impossible to serve both God and mammon/materialism, and yet organized religions pretend they can do just that, preying on their victims, to con them out of as much of their hard-earned money as they can. The RCC is the wealthiest business empire on planet Earth, which alone should prove they do not work for God, if being filled with homosexual priests and paedophiles isn't enough evidence. And the Protestant churches aren't doing much better. The mega-churches and televangelism serve as yet another example of how easily Satan can manipulate millions into following his priests, pastors, preachers, etc.

What everyone should be doing is reading, studying and digesting (putting into practice) the Gospel teachings, which refer everyone back to The Law. The Law contains God's Perfect System of Governance, His Perfect System of Justice (which includes His Perfect Statutes and Judgments), His Perfect Agricultural Policy (with no GMOs or chemical pesticides/fertilizers/poisons, etc.), His Perfect Economic Policy (with no unlawful usury), and His Perfect Healthy Diet.

God's Law isn't "optional", nor is it just good advice; it is His COMMANDMENTS, given to us to protect us from evil and to set us free from our bondage to sin.

If anyone takes an honest look at this world, which is FILLED with hatred, evil, sexual deviants, child molesters and crooks -- the worst of which are the lawyers, politicians and priests, etc. -- it should be self-evident that we are going in the WRONG direction. People have been duped to the extent they can't even look down their own britches anymore to determine whether they are male or female. And yet anyone pointing out the truth about these things is almost immediately attacked, because they are threatening someone's "traditions" or their personal opinion of what is right and what is wrong. The only difficulty with that is there are as many differing opinions of what is right and wrong as there are humans on this planet, all of whom are convinced they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Only Father (God) is perfect and therefore if any of us want to actually know what is right and what is wrong, all we need to do is to read and believe what Father has defined as right and wrong in His Perfect Law, and start DOING that (putting it into practice), to benefit everyone else. THAT is what Love really is. Doing the exact opposite of what The Law and The Law made flesh (Christ) teach us, will never work.

ALL of the evil in this world today is the direct result of our refusal to live by and enforce Father's Law ONLY.

With all of the evil that the RCC has done, if someone cannot see the entire organization is satanic, and that everyone in it is working for Satan to promote their satanic policies, then they are truly blind beyond help. The pope, who is the visible head of the RCC, has the audacity to call himself the "Holy Father", i.e. God, which is as blasphemous as it gets.

If that isn't enough to get people's attention, and make them call into question EVERY SINGLE doctrine, rite, ritual, tradition and superstition of Roman Catholicism, particularly any and everything they share in common with the RCC, then what will?

 

[free2018]

God's response toward sin is always the same. If they had sinned before they ate the fruit they would have died beforehand.

I know you are not being serious. Talking to Satan about sin is sin itself. Talking to your husband about sinning is sin. Eve and Adam were already in sin. Abba is not the author of confusion.

Genesis
“The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,knowing good and evil.” “

 

[Lyfe]

I know you are not being serious. Talking to Satan about sin is sin itself. Talking to your husband about sinning is sin. Eve and Adam were already in sin. Abba is not the author of confusion.

Genesis
“The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,knowing good and evil.” “

Death is a result of sin. Sin and death are simultaneous. When did Adam and Eve die? When did sin and death enter into the world?

Romans 5:15-19

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

 

[Lyfe]

"the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation,"

" as one trespass led to condemnation for all men"

These scriptures are something to strongly consider when it's thought one can actually be considered righteous by The Laws standard. One sin brought judgment and condemnation, and death. One sin lead to total unrighteousness.

It goes to show that we are truly saved and justified by what Christ did and that alone. No matter how hard you strive to keep The Law remember that one sin is enough to bring condemnation.

God is perfect. The law demands perfect obedience without fail. One sin will leave you falling short by The Laws standard.

 

[free2018]

Death is a result of sin. Sin and death are simultaneous. When did Adam and Eve die? When did sin and death enter into the world?

Romans 5:15-19

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

1 John 3:4 “ Sin is transgression of the law”

 

[Lyfe]

1 John 3:4 “ Sin is transgression of the law”
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Sin is indeed transgression from The Law. If Adam and Eve had sinned before they ate of the fruit then why didn't they die prior to that?

 

[A Freeman]

Jesus said that unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Agreed. And anyone who is truly born again as their true, spiritual self loves and keeps The Law God gave us, recognizing that it, like God, is perfect, just and fair for all. THAT is exactly how Scripture defines being born again from above.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If someone has been born again that means God has put his spirit within them and given them a new heart.

Agreed. They will no more stubbornly refuse to repent (stop sinning/breaking The Law).

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

This spiritual rebirth does what The Law could never do which is transform someone inwardly.

Who taught you this total nonsense? God IS His Law of Love.

This is called regeneration and why John said that nobody who is born of God can go on habitually sinning, because they are born of God and his SEED is in them. Paul said that this ministry of the holy spirit far exceeds the ministration of The Law for this purpose(2 Corinthians 3). The Law is external regulation whereas the Holy Spirit brings internal transformation.

Christ told us not to even think such ridiculous nonsense, because The Law will NEVER go away and anyone who teaches others to continue to break it, as you are doing by saying that keeping The Law could never transform someone inwardly.

The more one keeps The Law the less they are sinning. The less someone is sinning the closer they are drawing to God and the more they are loving their neighbor.

1 Corinthians 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

sin = breaking The Law (1 John 3:4)

You inferred my solution was to multiply sin yet that's exactly what The Law does.

How can keeping The Law multiply sin? SIN IS BREAKING THE LAW. The ONLY Way to stop sinning (repent) is to STOP BREAKING THE LAW.

Anyone who brings such false accusations against The Law, as you are doing, is multiplying sin.

The law was given that sin may increase(Romans 5:20) and that the whole world would be accountable to God. It was given that every mouth would be stopped. You can only ever be a sinner by the measure of The Law and t cannot work in your favor in any way whatsoever, because it records all your sins without partiality. Your focus will be on what you do right yet The Law will keep record of the wrong, even the many wrongs that God sees and that you fail to take into account. Adam and Eve were banished for one sin. Imagine being banished and cut off from God over and over and over again for one sin. This is how righteous of a judge God is.

How many times do you think you sinned yesterday just in your thoughts and attitudes?

The old covenant was the law and the new one is not. God's answer to sin in the old covenant is not the same as the solution he provides in the new. His solution in the new is to change someone.

Total satanic nonsense.

Sin = breaking The Law (committing a CRIME). The wages of sin are DEATH (Ezek. 18:4, Rom. 6:23).

The ONLY Way to multiply sin is to refuse to keep The Law. Anyone still sinning is under the curse/penalty clause of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68).

The ONLY Way to destroy sin and receive God's Blessing is to keep The Law (Deut. 28:1-15).

Christ plainly stated that The Law will NEVER go away and that anyone who teaches others to break the Law/Commandments of God is the lowest of the low (Matt. 5:17-19). Are you claiming that Christ was lying when He told us that He did NOT come to destroy The Law and that it would NEVER go away?

 

[monkeylove]

Would you be so kind as to rephrase that please? Not sure what point you're hoping to make.

We can say with absolute certainty, from Scripture, that Peter was never in Rome and that he didn't die on an inverted cross there nor anywhere else, and that he isn't buried in St. Peter's Basilica as his tomb was found in Jerusalem, as the Vatican knows.

So the Vatican has been telling and promoting lies since their inception. And as far as their control over the Scriptures, the Greek Septuagint predated Jesus by several hundred years (see the Letter of Aristeas), so the Roman Catholic church can hardly take credit for that.

What the RCC did do was try to remove parts of the Bible that further expose the evil they do and tell us how to recognize and correct the mistakes in translation or intentional alterations (e.g. the Book of Enoch, the last 8 chapters of the Book of Revelation), like the intentional additions the RCC made in Matt. 28:19 and in 1 John 5:7-8.

It was the RCC that came up with the selection of books that would make up the Bible via the Council of Rome. Biblical Christianity criticizes the RCC because several of its doctrines are not found in the Bible. The arguments used to decide on the selection of books that would make up the Bible are not found in the Bible!

That's why Biblical Christianity makes no sense whatsoever. It assumes that the everything found outside the Bible is questionable, but that includes the formation of the Biblical canon.

 

[Lyfe]

Agreed. And anyone who is truly born again as their true, spiritual self loves and keeps The Law God gave us, recognizing that it, like God, is perfect, just and fair for all. THAT is exactly how Scripture defines being born again from above.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


Agreed. They will no more stubbornly refuse to repent (stop sinning/breaking The Law).

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Who taught you this total nonsense? God IS His Law of Love.


Christ told us not to even think such ridiculous nonsense, because The Law will NEVER go away and anyone who teaches others to continue to break it, as you are doing by saying that keeping The Law could never transform someone inwardly.

The more one keeps The Law the less they are sinning. The less someone is sinning the closer they are drawing to God and the more they are loving their neighbor.

1 Corinthians 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

sin = breaking The Law (1 John 3:4)


How can keeping The Law multiply sin? SIN IS BREAKING THE LAW. The ONLY Way to stop sinning (repent) is to STOP BREAKING THE LAW.

Anyone who brings such false accusations against The Law, as you are doing, is multiplying sin.



Total satanic nonsense.

Sin = breaking The Law (committing a CRIME). The wages of sin are DEATH (Ezek. 18:4, Rom. 6:23).

The ONLY Way to multiply sin is to refuse to keep The Law. Anyone still sinning is under the curse/penalty clause of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68).

The ONLY Way to destroy sin and receive God's Blessing is to keep The Law (Deut. 28:1-15).

Christ plainly stated that The Law will NEVER go away and that anyone who teaches others to break the Law/Commandments of God is the lowest of the low (Matt. 5:17-19). Are you claiming that Christ was lying when He told us that He did NOT come to destroy The Law and that it would NEVER go away?

Ok, so according to the precedence that you just set I would like to ask you a few questions.

1) Do you keep The Law? Remember that trying is not good enough. You must do. You don't determine if you are keeping The Law, The Law does and without partiality.

2) If you aren't keeping The Law then what is your excuse?

3) If your not keeping The Law then what will happen to you?

 

[free2018]

Sin is indeed transgression from The Law. If Adam and Eve had sinned before they ate of the fruit then why didn't they die prior to that?

Does God put you to death every time you sin?

 

[Lyfe]

Does God put you to death every time you sin?

This isn't applying the right context. It's also failing to properly understand death as its defined by God's word. Adam and Eve had lost their standing with God the moment they had committed sin and rebelled. There was a harmony between man and God before sin, before the first act of rebellion. God is the only source of life and apart from him there is no life. The moment they lost their innocence is the moment they died, because their sin had brought separation and altered their standing with God. The first sin brought separation and now man is spiritually dead and cut off, because God is the only source of life.

 

[free2018]

This isn't applying the right context. It's also failing to properly understand death as its defined by God's word. Adam and Eve had lost their standing with God the moment they had committed sin and rebelled. There was a harmony between man and God before sin, before the first act of rebellion. God is the only source of life and apart from him there is no life. The moment they lost their innocence is the moment they died, because their sin had brought separation and altered their standing with God. The first sin brought separation and now man is spiritually dead and cut off, because God is the only source of life.

The scripture is pretty clear. Many people try to tweak it. It’s very clear on everything.

For example, the Earth is 6000 years. That’s from the scriptures.

When you entertain demons, you are in sin. There is no gray area.
Adam and Eve were in sin and they continued to sin. They had already sinned through thought and speech. And then they took the action.

Yeshua ( Christ) addresses this over and over in the NT.

 

[Lyfe]

The scripture is pretty clear. Many people try to tweak it. It’s very clear on everything.

For example, the Earth is 6000 years. That’s from the scriptures.

When you entertain demons, you are in sin. There is no gray area.
Adam and Eve were in sin and they continued to sin. They had already sinned through thought and speech. And then they took the action.

Yeshua ( Christ) addresses this over and over in the NT.

They had no knowledge or ability to even understand evil before they had sinned and ate the fruit. How could it have existed within them and within their mind prior?

 

[Shuna]

Just Jesus Christ (so they claim) rising or rather being destroyed by a nuclear bomb. Yeah, not satanic at all.

Besides it is well known what happens if you mirror the right side. But yeah, just a coinkidink I suppose.

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[free2018]

They had no knowledge or ability to even understand evil before they had sinned and ate the fruit. How could it have existed within them and within their mind prior?

In Genesis 1, Abba created humans. He later created Adam.

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26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” "

 

[Lyfe]

In Genesis 1, Abba created humans. He later created Adam.

"
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” "

The Bible clearly teaches that Adam was the first man. 1 Corinthians 15:45

 

[DavidSon]

The Bible clearly teaches that Adam was the first man. 1 Corinthians 15:45

Come on man there are two creation stories in the Bible- chapter 1 and then 2. With that "Adam" has always known to be conceptual, an idea, allegory. It's written Jesus said our faith should be like a child, not of a child lol. Fundamentalists and Salafi are at the lowest rung of understanding- something you should strive to grow out of.

 

[Lyfe]

Come on man there are two creation stories in the Bible- chapter 1 and then 2. With that "Adam" has always known to be conceptual, an idea, allegory. It's written Jesus said our faith should be like a child, not of a child lol. Fundamentalists and Salafi are at the lowest rung of understanding- something you should strive to grow out of.

There's not really any reason to believe Adam is an allegory. Who decides which biblical characters are allegories and which ones arent?

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Biblical Christianity criticizes the RCC because several of its doctrines are not found in the Bible. The arguments used to decide on the selection of books that would make up the Bible are not found in the Bible!

That's why Biblical Christianity makes no sense whatsoever. It assumes that the everything found outside the Bible is questionable, but that includes the formation of the Biblical canon.

Its not so much that some of the catholic doctrines are not found in the Bible (although they are not, such as infact baptism as opposed to believer baptism, or a pope, or priests in the new testament, etc), as that some of the catholic doctrines directly contradict the Bible.

It can't be simultaneously one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus AND having Jesus's mother be a mediatrix.

 

[A Freeman]

It was the RCC that came up with the selection of books that would make up the Bible via the Council of Rome. Biblical Christianity criticizes the RCC because several of its doctrines are not found in the Bible. The arguments used to decide on the selection of books that would make up the Bible are not found in the Bible!

That's why Biblical Christianity makes no sense whatsoever. It assumes that the everything found outside the Bible is questionable, but that includes the formation of the Biblical canon.

The basic premise being used here -- that God is somehow powerless against puny humans to preserve His Word -- is flawed.

Throughout Scripture, God has used Israel's enemies to punish Israel and to further His Perfect Plan. Nebuchadnezzar was humbled and used to promote God's Law throughout Babylon, which was the sole super-power at that time. Cyrus and the Medo-Persian Empire came next and did the same, followed by Alexander the Great and the Greek Empire, leading up to the Roman Empire, who built roads all over the world to facilitate the movement of people, supplies and information (including Scripture) all over the world.

The Greek Septuagint was completed hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus, as is recorded in the Letter of Aristeas. Jesus and His Disciples could only use and teach from the Old Covenant, as the Gospel accounts and the subsequent letters of Paul, Peter and John and the others (who are often attributed to Paul, e.g. Stephanas, Fortunatus, Achaicus, Timotheus Tychicus, Titus, Lucas, etc.), had not yet been written. So there were already "canonized" books of the Old Covenant long before the Romans were involved.

The Romans, who are the direct descendants of the Babylonians, were used by God to spread His Word. Unfortunately, and unsurprisingly, the Romans invented yet another organized religion, and called it "Christianity", just as their descendants the Babylonians had done with Talmudic Judaism, by taking bits of their pagan Babylonian religious superstitions and traditions, and mixing them into the Word of God and causing centuries of confusion.

That's why the Scripture itself tells us that the true Biblical Message/Meaning has been sealed up until the end of time, awaiting the ONE Who can break the seals and properly explain it to those who still have love for the Truth (see Dan. 12:1-4 and Rev. 5:1-5).

IF the Roman Catholic church actually understood the true meaning of Scripture, and that it repeatedly condemns them, their priests and their anti-Biblical doctrines, rites, rituals, traditions and superstitions, they would have tried to alter the text to better hide their criminal enterprise. That is why the prophecies in the Bible are written in "code".

The Prophecies are written in code for two good reasons:-

1. They were not meant to be understood at the wrong time, i.e. the majority were not meant to be understood by the people of the time when they were written. They were meant for the future, sometimes a few, sometimes hundreds and sometimes thousands of years in the future. The last ones are still being fulfilled, today.

2. The Prophecies warn of what is going to happen to the rich rulers of the Earth, and the Churches, who have worked with the rich to keep the masses in the dark; down and poor, by helping the rich to hide God's PERFECT Laws and substitute the rich people's oppressive and illegal laws.

The rich rulers set the curriculum in their schools and control all knowledge given to the people so that they can control their minds and enslave them. If they could understand what the Bible says about them and how evil they are, they would have destroyed the Bible.

What people need to do is come out of their respective organized religions -- ALL of them (including the "mother church") -- and start DOING what God COMMANDS us to do in HIS Scripture, for our own individual and collective benefit. The Law, with its perfect statutes, judgments, agricultural and economic policies, and the perfect healthy diet, etc. is written plainly, so that everyone can understand what is right and wrong.

The path to true spiritual enlightenment is found only in the keeping of God's Law, exactly as Christ teaches.