some people just don’t want to fight at all.
Putin officially threatens Nuclear War
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The same thing happened in the separatist regions before the invasion and the majority of the Russian army is conscripted.
Here’s Putin doing indiscriminate bombing of a major urban city.
and obviously people are willing to fight like these men who accepted death before surrender
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Is that not their right ?
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They should, drafts are immoral but it’s the norm in Eastern Europe and indeed in most places in the world.
of course it is. but let’s not act like not wanting to physically fight and possibly die means they are okay with russia taking their country. or that ukraine is the only country that conscripts people. pretty much any country under direct invasion would do the same.
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The Steele dossier is not "fake"
It's just that SOME of the claims in it are not substantiated.
The main claim that Russia preferred Trump ansd worked to get him elected was corroborated by other sources and intelligence agencies.
They also confirmed the Steele dossiers accusations that Trump and Co. Met many times with high level Russian officials.
The "Steele Dossier" played no significant role in the Trump Russia investigation or the Mueller report. It's a right wing and Russian shill distraction.
The fact that damn near the entire Trump org obstructed the entire investigation proves they were hiding what they did.
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It's not good what is happening but let's not act like this is all on Putin.
I refuse to break this conflict down to "Putin BAD"
The US created this whole situation, you can't deny that.
Ukraine is just a pawn caught in the middle.
ukraine has been passed around and living under atleast a dozen other countries/empires rule since the beginning of time. split up and passed around and fighting for that entire stretch for its independence. so yeah.. i can deny that this is in the united states. it’s not.
they voted when the ussr split up for independence. that’s what they wanted. they are free to join any alliance they want as an independent nation. russia doesn’t own them. and even when it did it was mostly unwillingly.
i’m not all about a russian boogie man here but unfortunately PUTIN BAD is kinda the only rational take on this.
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By taking USofA & especially UKofGB&NI out of the picture, one (tries to) take the 9/11, 7/7, the JFK assassination, Lady Di's demise, the war on Islam, the bombing and levelling of the middle East, masonic/jesuit doctrine and influence, Georgia Guidestones', the pLandemic, the very reason for this website that we are engaged in conversation here, et. al. out of the picture.
It is quite convenient to do this, but IMO it is the elephant in the room that very few individuals can see.
All of the elites are in the same club, and we commoners / peasants aren't in it.
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People should realise those in power are ALL in the same game and therefore against the common people. Both sides are the wrong side for harmless civilians.
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... and the enlisted men/women(human beings) as well (of any/all nations).
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Not sure why you think you need to add that. As far as I know soldiers are not 'the people in power'.
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Indeed.
I am sorry. I reckon my text/post didn't elucidate enough?
I had put 'common people', 'harmless civilians' in bold (from your text) ...and added the 'enlisted men/women' too.
When bulls fight (or in planet's/humanity's context--> pretend to fight) it is the grass that gets trampled.
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Yet another thread bombarded by Vancity acting like he is right and everyone else is wrong
smh
smh
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Found this one on twitter!
(Albeit do not wish to spread panaroia! I know that is exactly what I may be doing though! But it is silly to rule out anything at this pace, no?)
Then there was this as well, that I remember from 2012 :-
At timestamp 00:50 the connectivity suddenly goes out (like a flash).
Maybe it is all merely a speculation?
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must read counter to all those who are bent on blaming this solely on NATO
it’s not NATO bombing hospitals, kindergartens and apartments atm btw