The Bible is full of suffering

[Lyfe]

Here's what happened to me.

When I was 4 years old, I was walking down the street and I found myself, saying out loud, "I'm really here! I'm really HERE!!" Why I thought that was so profound, I don't know. But, suddenly I experienced Life as a Dream, a Lucid Dream, and I was the Dreamer. It was like I went from being an actor on a stage lost in the part, to being in the audience. I thought about telling my parents but I knew it would be a waste of time. They thought Life was REAL. -- My first experience of Truth

About 25 years later, I had the same experience. A friend of mine dropped by with some coke and good bud. We smoked it, then just sat outside in the evening just meditating in silence. I was unbelievably relaxed. I felt myself float out of my body and I Awoke in the Dream of Life again. Just like having a lucid dream where you wake up...half way, and know you can make anything happen in the Dream. I was a musician at that time and hoped to play Oakland Coliseum one day. I knew I could make that happen! But, I was afraid of what I might become to do that...timidly, I came down and back into my body. (I have yet to play in Oakland Coliseum...)

Allot of shamans and occult practitioners use drugs to have these paranormal out of body experiances.

Part of my testimony in coming to Christ was that I used to experience late night visitations by evil spirits. It all started when I was 16 and lasted for years. I experienced all sorts of bizarre and frightening things. Lucid dreaming was one of them. There is something inherint within the power of these beings that is able to project these lucid dreams and visions.

 

[Alanantic]

Allot of shamans and occult practitioners use drugs to have these paranormal out of body experiances.

Part of my testimony in coming to Christ was that I used to experience late night visitations by evil spirits. It all started when I was 16 and lasted for years. I experienced all sorts of bizarre and frightening things. Lucid dreaming was one of them. There is something inherint within the power of these beings that is able to project these lucid dreams and visions.

I've never experienced anything bizarre or frightening. I've experienced being one with God. I have experienced the angelic presence of the Sage in the I Ching. Luckily, I never bought into the evil/satan crap. We're all just in the process of growth; human evolution.

 

[Lyfe]

I've never experienced anything bizarre or frightening. I've experienced being one with God. I have experienced the angelic presence of the Sage in the I Ching. Luckily, I never bought into the evil/satan crap. We're all just in the process of growth; human evolution.

People presume that something has to have the appearance of evil and darkness for it to be of Satan. The opposite is true.

 

[Alanantic]

People presume that something has to have the appearance of evil and darkness for it to be of Satan. The opposite is true.

Very deep, deep down...we both know the Truth. We're all living lives of pretension. God dreams all of us.

"You cannot wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~ Navajo Proverb

 

[Lyfe]

Very deep, deep down...we both know the Truth. We're all living lives of pretension. God dreams all of us.

"You cannot wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~ Navajo Proverb

Deep down you know that God created us in his image. You love and have emotions, because God loves and has emotions. You know that God is a divine being who can speak, who has a will, a mind, who loves and hates, who is a moral being.

 

[Lyfe]

Conversely, some scary looking things might be worth listening to.


“It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness” - L.T

What scary things are worth listening to?

 

[Alanantic]

Deep down you know that God created us in his image. You love and have emotions, because God loves and has emotions. You know that God is a divine being who can speak, who has a will, a mind, who loves and hates, who is a moral being.

Deep down, I AM God. You are, too.

"God is the 'I' in everyone." -- Shunyamurti

 

[Lyfe]

Angels for one, by the scriptures themselves they are scary looking weirdos. But it’s not good to judge them on that.

Aliens might look weird and bug like might frighten us but that’s an impulse we can’t give into. Our nationalism and sectarianism is the source of so much human suffering. No matter what appearances may be we are all simply one species in this together. Unfortunately some have weird dna purity race ideas and you see it all over this forum.

There is a good book about a future where earth is at war with a species of bug aliens and we’re allied with an advanced race that looks exactly as us. Turns out the whole thing is a ruse, the bugs actually want peace and to work with us but it’s the “Starmen” ( haha) keeping this war effort going while they seek to conquer us.

Just some thoughts, hope you’re doing well Lyfe!

There are different classes of angels. There are cherubim, seraphim, and other hard to imagine creatures in heaven. There are angels that appear in the likeness of humans and angels that appear to be human altogether. There are hybrid beings created by the union of angels and women, and there are hybrid monsters that were created when the fallen angels sinned against beasts.

Thats why I dont believe the aliens are who they say they are. Angels can morph and take the appearance of people so that would explain the so called alien species of plaedians and nordics. Who knows what the reptilians or other weird species commonly reported are.

 

[Lyfe]

Deep down, I AM God. You are, too.

"God is the 'I' in everyone." -- Shunyamurti

Can you create something from nothing? If not then you are not God.

 

[Lyfe]

The thing with the Nords is pure nazi esotericism that got infused with UFO study. It’s pretty easy to spot.

The “saviors” tall, blond with light and such.

The grays ( short and ugly bug like, Jewish stand in ) as villains.

Aliens would have evolved under conditions vastly different than our own. They might have appearances that scare us, but that shouldn’t mean we judge them based on that.

I have heard all sorts of speculation and theories. I have heard that the grays are slaves and work for the plaedians. I have also heard the gray aliens have their appearance as some kind of biological suit for demons to house. Idk its all speculation.

There really is no way to judge them if there are so many species like they claim. We can only judge what we know and by what we know theres no reason to believe they want whats best for us imho.

 

[Alanantic]

Can you create something from nothing? If not then you are not God.

I seem to be creating this silly conversation...

 

[Alanantic]

We all might find out sooner or later. If you’re looking for what’s causing our troubles right now, something that’s messing up the vibrations so to speak, it’s all terrestrial and coming from Mar-A-Lago and Trump Tower.

You're kidding, right?

 

[Lyfe]

I seem to be creating this silly conversation...

The point is that you are not God. You are just a man.

 

[Bubbajay]

Idk Lyfe, i would be troubled if there was a single verse in the Quran that said Jesus is god while the Bible contains over 90 verses that reject the divinity of Jesus.

I mean i don't get it, when Jesus walked EVERYONE knew him as a prophet.
And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” (Matt 21:11)
There are multiple verses like this one in your book.

There are even Biblical verses depicting Jesus in prostration.
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father... (Matthew 26:39)
Does God submit to anyone?

Jesus literally comes out and says he is a man.
As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. (John 8:40)

Jesus often says he was sent.. (by who?)
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. (John 5:30)
Who can tell God to go anywhere?

God has all encompassing knowledge.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:32)
Jesus does not know when judgment day begins.

I mean God literally calls Jesus his slave.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. (Acts 3:13)


How do you reconcile these truths? If there was a single verse in the Quran that raised doubt in core beliefs I'd have some serious problems.

I highly suggest you pray like Jesus did. Ask God alone to show you the truth. Believe me when i say you and you alone will carry the full brunt of your sins on judgement day as no soul will be burdened with what you do.

Seek guidance while you still breathe because none will be allowed to come back to right the wrongs.

How do you get slave from servant? A servant voluntarily serves. Have you not read the OT scriptures of the suffering servant? Didn't you claim to be a Christian for 30 years? This is why Muslim apologists are the bottom of the barrel, and can't be believed. You're doing Islam a disservice by lying and manipulating words. Turning servant into slave. You've pretty much discredited yourself on this thread more times than I can count already. Move along.

 

[Bubbajay]

"Sorrow cannot touch the man who is not in the bondage of anything, who owns nothing." -- Buddha

I guess Buddha never suffered loss, that or he was a sociopath who didn't possess feelings for others.

 

[Nikōn]

How do you get slave from servant?

The text does say slave.

In the Greek lexicon the word παῖς, it is described as:

1. a child, boy or girl
   1. infants, children
2. servant, slave
   1. an attendant, servant, spec. a king's attendant, minister

You also may via English presume that "servant" is a lighter and nicer word, but it is identical to the word "Slave". A slave is a servant and vice versa.
The passage from Acts is obviously not talking about Jesus as an infant.


Also the dictionary definition of Servant is as follows:

1. One who is privately employed to perform domestic services.
2. One who is publicly employed to perform services, as for a government.
3. One who expresses submission, recognizance, or debt to another.

Nothing about volunteering.

 

[Bubbajay]

Not always. I've been outside this mortal body/mind.

I don't doubt that, but the shamans of old claimed the same thing, after ingesting Hemlock or other hallucinogens. So did you really leave your body, or did you hallucinate? Meditation does the same thing, but takes a lot longer.

 

[Bubbajay]

The text does say slave.

In the Greek lexicon the word παῖς, it is described as:

1. a child, boy or girl
   1. infants, children
2. servant, slave
   1. an attendant, servant, spec. a king's attendant, minister

So you call everyone who serves or ministers to you your slave? I'd hate to be your waiter lol. See the word "minister" in your lexion? That's the proper definition. That's the problem with lexicons in the hands of ignorant people. It gives them a list of words to choose feom, and they automatically pick the one that fits their agenda or doctrine. Congrats on being "that guy"

 

[Bubbajay]

we are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon

See you do have a religion you adhere to.

 

[Nikōn]

So you call everyone who serves or ministers to you your slave?

Gotta love those anachronisms. You are injecting modern meanings into these terms which have nothing to do with the 1st century Greek term παῖς
On "minister" too, in the 1st century context this refers to a person who is employed to administer under the authority of a king, and who are under the thumb of that king. It doesn't refer to Church Pastors ROTFL

It gives them a list of words to choose feom, and they automatically pick the one that fits their agenda or doctrine.

You so willingly describe yourself here in detail.