Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[Lyfe]

Lyfe, with all due respect, you are the very last person in this entire thread who should ever unironically use the terms "denial" and "naive to the reality".

Yeah this is coming from someone who insists nearly all marriages were defined by abuse and mistreatment before feminism.

If all you have are ad homeinems dont bother...

 

[justjess]

I think your denying the reality of how relationships are nowadays and even the nature of dating in todays world. Its as I pointed out before that 50 percent of marriages fail. That is just the failure rate of marriages which would suggest that the chance of failure for relationships in general is basically a guarantee, because nearly every relationship to ever happen doesn't even make it to marriage. All relationships that dont end in a divorce or separation are the only truly successful relationships. ALL other relationships and marriages end at some point and time. Most contemporary relationships end in less than 5 months!

Now with bearing this in mind and considering the time we are living in are you really willing to suggest that most boyfriends or husbands never asked or inquired of their wife/girlfriend what they wanted while acctually together? Men in todays world are led to ask a woman these very questions in the first stages of a relationship and dating. They are conditioned to believe its customary to find out these very things. Their likes and dislikes. Now please tell me what difference it made in the end. I think your being dishonest with yourself and very naive to the reality. These ideas in your head do nothing to maintain a relationship. In fact its a token of how all these customary ideas have failed and dont work like you would suggest they do. So I dont think you can really hold it against a man or anyone for that matter to ditch these customs or ideas you are suggesting when in reality they bear no fruit. Give a woman what she wants or dont give a woman what she wants, it makes no difference. Most relationships today end in less than 5 months...

50-% of marriages fail because people are lazy and spoiled and don’t believe in putting work in anymore, they just want immediate gratification and think the initial butterfly phase is supposed to last forever. It doesn’t. That’s not what a marriage is. This has nada to do with feminism.

 

[Lyfe]

50-% of marriages fail because people are lazy and spoiled and don’t believe in putting work in anymore, they just want immediate gratification and think the initial butterfly phase is supposed to last forever. It doesn’t. That’s not what a marriage is. This has nada to do with feminism.

My response was in response to drifters remarks on relationships and whether or not doing as she suggested had any real impact on maintaining a relationship.

 

[justjess]

My response was in response to drifters remarks on relationships and whether or not doing as she suggested had any real impact on maintaining a relationship.

It doesn’t really matter what your remarks were in regards to. You’ve mentioned the high divorce rate numerous times as proof that feminism destroyed families. Your mentioning it again. The divorce rate is what it is for reasons that have nothing to do with feminism and reflect a larger issue in our current society that actually warrants more intense scrutiny but you’ll just overlook those issues to blame women for wanting to be considered equal humans to their male counterparts.

 

[Lyfe]

It doesn’t really matter what your remarks were in regards to. You’ve mentioned the high divorce rate numerous times as proof that feminism destroyed families. Your mentioning it again. The divorce rate is what it is for reasons that have nothing to do with feminism and reflect a larger issue in our current society that actually warrants more intense scrutiny but you’ll just overlook those issues to blame women for wanting to be considered equal humans to their male counterparts.

I dont blame women. I blame social ideas that were introduced with feminism. I also blame allot of other things for divorce.

Btw I thought you were done conversing with me?

 

[weskrongden]

What makes you think feminism has anything to do with depression in women? Women have always had higher rates of depression than men, to the point where it was considered a natural "feminine weakness". Part of it could be due to the fact that men are less likely to seek professional help when dealing with mental illness. Right? That doesn't mean men are any happier.

• The age-adjusted suicide rate in 2019 was 13.93 per 100,000 individuals.
• The rate of suicide is highest in middle-aged white men.
• In 2019, men died by suicide 3.63x as often as women.
• On average, there are 130 suicides per day.
• White males accounted for 69.38% of suicide deaths in 2019.

Source: https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

But yeah, it's just a woman thing so that must mean feminism is to blame.

The study I provided was just comparing women a decade apart with a substantial increase in anti depressant use. So feminism and the privilege of getting to be a corporate worker bee instead of a wife and mother isn't making women happy. I never said men were happy lol. Again it was a comparison of women over different time periods. These societal ills effect the happiness of men too.

Again, what the hell does obesity have to do with feminism? I'm not American. Obesity in America is a problem REGARDLESS of the fact that women tend to suffer from it more. The ratio between obese men vs obese women varies from country to country btw. So I really don't understand what it has to do with feminism. No women here who has brought up some of the pivotal arguments of feminism has defended any hedonistic cultural phenomena. Not a single one. Every single one here has been advocating CHOICE, not a eunuch lifestyle swearing off children. I don't agree with most of what Koncrete says but he's right when he says you're blinded by politics.

It's just further evidence of how we've gotten away from the traditional women's role. Housewives in the 50s weren't disgusting to look at and physically unhealthy like all these modern women of today. You're not advocating for a hedonistic, self indulgent lifestyle just advocating for people to be able to choose it lol. Instead of having a husband and kids to worry about, only worry about yourself. Yeah having more freedom sounds great until you're pushing 40 and you're all alone and you have no one who cares about or loves you. You're some old, lonely woman calling your dogs your children, looks have completely faded. You gave your whole life to seem meaningless purpose of helping some corporation or law firm or whatever squeeze out a few extra bucks.

 

[lightseeker]

I dont blame women. I blame social ideas that were introduced with feminism. I also blame allot of other things for divorce.

Btw I thought you were done conversing with me?

What makes you so sure that feminism is the root cause of those social ills? Seems like a lazy socio historical analysis tbh

 

[Lyfe]

What makes you so sure that feminism is the root cause of those social ills? Seems like a lazy socio historical analysis tbh

I never not once said it was the ROOT or sole cause.

 

[lightseeker]

I never not once said it was the ROOT or sole cause.

Speaking in terms of social and historical causes, not spiritual ones, what would you say is the root cause of the ills you are talking about if not feminism

 

[Drifter]

Yeah this is coming from someone who insists nearly all marriages were defined by abuse and mistreatment before feminism.

If all you have are ad homeinems dont bother...

Wanna quote me exactly where I said that?

 

[Lyfe]

Speaking in terms of social and historical causes, not spiritual ones, what would you say is the root cause of the ills you are talking about if not feminism

You mean what do i personally think is all to blame on failed marriages?

 

[Drifter]

The study I provided was just comparing women a decade apart with a substantial increase in anti depressant use. So feminism and the privilege of getting to be a corporate worker bee instead of a wife and mother isn't making women happy. I never said men were happy lol. Again it was a comparison of women over different time periods. These societal ills effect the happiness of men too.

You don't think that's a bit of an illogical leap? And are you just ignoring the high rate of suicide in men as well? And again, like @justjess asked, where does the study indicate that these women are working single women and not stay at home tradcon sorts? Can you maybe extract another quote or two?

It's just further evidence of how we've gotten away from the traditional women's role. Housewives in the 50s weren't disgusting to look at and physically unhealthy like all these modern women of today. You're not advocating for a hedonistic, self indulgent lifestyle just advocating for people to be able to choose it lol. Instead of having a husband and kids to worry about, only worry about yourself. Yeah having more freedom sounds great until you're pushing 40 and you're all alone and you have no one who cares about or loves you. You're some old, lonely woman calling your dogs your children, looks have completely faded. You gave your whole life to seem meaningless purpose of helping some corporation or law firm or whatever squeeze out a few extra bucks.

Huh? The majority of American women do not fall into the morbidly obese category. You're seriously telling me the average American women is overweight? Or that all housewives look like 50s pin up models? Focusing on goals other than family is not automatically hedonistic, are you dense? And if the options were between being lonely and ugly at 40 and being stuck married to someone like you then the former honestly sounds like the better deal. You don't have a realistic idea of women or marriage.

 

[Lyfe]

Wanna quote me exactly where I said that?

Its back there. I even asked you multiple times just cause I wanted to be sure that was your conclusion. But i suppose ai can ask again. Do you think marriages before feminism were primarily defined by abuse and mistreatment?

 

[lightseeker]

You mean what do i personally think is all to blame on failed marriages?

Sure man, on all the stuff you’re talking about, now that youre saying it’s not feminism

 

[Lyfe]

Sure man, on all the stuff you’re talking about, now that youre saying it’s not feminism

Im saying that feminism is a signifigant contributor like other things can contribute to the issue.

 

[justjess]

I dont blame women. I blame social ideas that were introduced with feminism. I also blame allot of other things for divorce.

Btw I thought you were done conversing with me?

Our entitled lazy culture where people want shit without working for it or think that everything is like a movie and demand instant gratification 24/7 has, again, nothing to do with feminism

 

[justjess]

You don't think that's a bit of an illogical leap? And are you just ignoring the high rate of suicide in men as well? And again, like @justjess asked, where does the study indicate that these women are working single women and not stay at home tradcon sorts? Can you maybe extract another quote or two?


Huh? The majority of American women do not fall into the morbidly obese category. You're seriously telling me the average American women is overweight? Or that all housewives look like 50s pin up models? Focusing on goals other than family is not automatically hedonistic, are you dense? And if the options were between being lonely and ugly at 40 and being stuck married to someone like you then the former honestly sounds like the better deal. You don't have a realistic idea of women or marriage.

Men have had a significant increase in suicide and mental health issues over the same time period. So obviously there is something effecting BOTH sexes and it’s quite a leap to assume it’s feminism. There have been other things going on in the world other then women being granted almost equal rights.

I’m closer to 40 then 30, weight 100 lbs soaking wet, take care of myself.. am not lonely, do not own a cat. So idk what your on about tbh

 

[lightseeker]

Im saying that feminism is a signifigant contributor like other things can contribute to the issue.

I don’t think so, after thinking about it it seems pretty clear to me that the industrial revolution changed nature, and feminism was a natural response. And the feminism that women here advocate for like @elsbet said, isnt the feminists plastered across the internet for the purposes of making you mad and believing that’s the norm. Why should women still be denied inherentacne when their father dies for example? It just doesn’t hit the nail on the head

 

[Drifter]

Its back there. I even asked you multiple times just cause I wanted to be sure that was your conclusion. But i suppose ai can ask again. Do you think marriages before feminism were primarily defined by abuse and mistreatment?

No, I asked you to quote me.

 

[justjess]

I don’t think so, after thinking about it it seems pretty clear to me that the industrial revolution changed nature, and feminism was a natural response. And the feminism that women here advocate for like @elsbet said, isnt the feminists plastered across the internet for the purposes of making you mad and believing that’s the norm. Why should women still be denied inherentacne when their father dies for example? It just doesn’t hit the nail on the head

So happy to see people actually considering that explanation FINALLY