War with China, Trump or Biden?

[Helioform]

State reasons also.

 

[VigCizMember]

Cause Trump is out and he never started any wars

 

[Helioform]

Cause Trump is out and he never started any wars

Not sure if Trump is really out yet as this will go to courts, though.

 

[Helioform]

Notice also that I wrote "cause" and not start a war, as I was referring to policies or behaviour which might cause the USA OR China to attack.

 

[lightseeker]

Biden, vp for the administration that carried out the most wars in US history, or trump who started none? Going to have to think on that one

 

[Thunderian]

Biden, because he’s chosen Dick Cheney as an advisor on foreign policy.

 

[Corvus Metus]

Neither. Since a direct war with China would lead to a world war, which would lead to the end of the world.

 

[Helioform]

Biden, because he’s chosen Dick Cheney as an advisor on foreign policy.

Not good! That guy is very corrupt.

 

[Helioform]

Neither. Since a direct war with China would lead to a world war, which would lead to the end of the world.

Maybe that's the plan? The bastards can always hide in their bunkers.

 

[Thunderian]

Not good! That guy is very corrupt.

Just in case the kids aren’t hep on who Cheney is, the invasion of Iraq was his idea of good foreign policy. He’s a monster.

 

[Corvus Metus]

Maybe that's the plan? The bastards can always hide in their bunkers.

Not impossible, but doubtful. Nuclear war would effectively reset the current power structure. And while there's things they could do to hold on to a sliver of their former glory, chances are by the time it was safe to leave their bunkers things would be quite different.

A nuclear war, or even another world war, would also hinder the goals of China. They want to return to their place of global dominance, they held before the world became industrialized. (They didn't adapt well to it.) You can't do that when there's no world left.

Basically, I don't think nuclear war has much as chance of happening until one of the major players is in a place where they might lose all power and influence... And then, it's more a case of people feelings if they can't play with the you (the earth) they'll break it so no one can.

 

[Helioform]

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Ancile

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They predict total collapse of the western world mainly due to the measures taken to deal with COVID19. It would lead to a nuclear war which China and Russia would easily win judging by their slight increase of population and massive decrease for western nations.

I believe Biden, if he really wins, will be used to undermine the US from within, and China will attack while the country is weakened by totalitarian measures and economic collapse.

 

[Sunshine]

Deagel has updated their disclaimer on their population predictions for 2025.

Ancile

www.deagel.com

They predict total collapse of the western world mainly due to the measures taken to deal with COVID19. It would lead to a nuclear war which China and Russia would easily win judging by their slight increase of population and massive decrease for western nations.

I believe Biden, if he really wins, will be used to undermine the US from within, and China will attack while the country is weakened by totalitarian measures and economic collapse.

Seeing as how Biden has been on the Chinese payroll for some years, I think it's likely that he will roll over and do whatever they want. On the surface, this would make it less likely that war would erupt between the US and the PRC. However, I did not consider the above argument that a war could be a stage in their over all plan.

Such a war could be nuclear, but it doesn't have to be. We could do enough damage to each other with mere "conventional" weapons, which are more advanced, efficient, far reaching, and deadly than ever before. The Chinese aren't building all those airstrips off their coast for nothing. I have to wonder how many satellites they have in orbit that are comparable to ours? You know, the ones that can poke somebody's eye out from low earth orbit....

And why does everyone assume that a nuclear blast would equal "the end of the world"? Other than the initial blast crater and wind, the effects to the rest of the planet would not be immediate. If Chernobyl and Fukushima have taught us anything, it's that those effects, while not reversible, may be tolerable to life in the long term. There are people eating radioactive fish from the Pacific Ocean as we speak.

If you read enough decent science fiction, you'll know that the more realistic authors have taken into account China's size, population, age, history, homogeneity and potential, and made them one of, if not The most dominant nation on the planet in the near future. It's going to happen sooner or later. The trick will be keeping the US on even economic and military footing.

There is a certain person in the White House who understands all this, and has been working to ensure our hegemony well into the 21st Century, whether he is there or not. Of course, I would not put it past any of his successors to undo all of what he has done, if they are able, and make the US China's bitch. After all, what were all those bribes for?

 

[Tidal]

War with China, Trump or Biden?

There probably won't be a shooting war, more of an economic war.
I personally am sick of buying items and then finding a "Made in China' label on them.
Trump was banging the drum hard in a "Buy American to support American companies" message, and it'll be interesting to see if Biden goes along with that, or lets China walk all over him by flooding the market with 'made in China' stuff.

 

[Tidal]

And why does everyone assume that a nuclear blast would equal "the end of the world"? Other than the initial blast crater and wind, the effects to the rest of the planet would not be immediate...

Yeah, a single nuke blast might only wipe out one city, but the problem is that China has got more than one firework..
WIKI- 'China was estimated by the Federation of American Scientists to have an arsenal of about 260 total warheads as of 2015'

China and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

PS- Anybody here play the stock market? If Biden gets into the White House, it might be a good time to buy stocks and shares in backyard bunker companies..

 

[Maes17]

Yeah, a single nuke blast might only wipe out one city, but the problem is that China has got more than one firework..
WIKI- 'China was estimated by the Federation of American Scientists to have an arsenal of about 260 total warheads as of 2015'

China and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

PS- Anybody here play the stock market? If Biden gets into the White House, it might be a good time to buy stocks and shares in backyard bunker companies..

That’s a fancy bunker

 

[Tidal]

That’s a fancy bunker

Yeah and pricey too, but we can always dig a zero-cost "budget hole", the nuclear shock wave will simply pass over it..-

Or we could pick up an old bus cheap from the scrapyard and dig it into our back yard-

 

[justjess]

There probably won't be a shooting war, more of an economic war.
I personally am sick of buying items and then finding a "Made in China' label on them.
Trump was banging the drum hard in a "Buy American to support American companies" message, and it'll be interesting to see if Biden goes along with that, or lets China walk all over him by flooding the market with 'made in China' stuff.

Trumps own merchandise and his families merchandise is made in China. It’s a marketing slogan. Nothing more.

 

[Maes17]

Yeah and pricey too, but we can always dig a zero-cost "budget hole", the nuclear shock wave will simply pass over it..-

Or we could pick up an old bus cheap from the scrapyard and dig it into our back yard-

I say we build our own fancy bunker. No settling for mediocrity around these parts

 

[Tidal]

I say we build our own fancy bunker. No settling for mediocrity around these parts

Good thinking mate, I can see you're a born survivor, we can't skimp when our lives are at stake.
I hang in survival/prepping forums and am always surprised by the cheapskates in there who are always asking where they can pick up items cheap.
For example they're always after cheap second-hand guns even though they might have been dropped or run over or at the bottom of lakes and rusty and metal-fatigued like crazy.
I suppose they'll realise their error when they fire one and it blows up in their face..