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ShiningCarat14 said:
This is so freaking true. All of it is spot on! Chefs Kiss!! but I do blame a lot of artists for this. (I really hate that they are called “idol” - that name in itself is toxic, like they need to be worthy of worship, it just really annoys me) They sell this idea that their fans are everything to them. “Army is my everything”, “Army don’t cheat on me” , “if I was born again, army would be the best present in life”. This makes army more dependent and more in love with them and it just feeds into the reality of obsessive fan behaviour. There is nothing wrong with appreciating fans. I think if you don’t appreciate your fans you are a complete douchebag. But when you say those cringe Wattpad lines it becomes inauthentic and fake, almost like their song pied piper where they are mocking their fans for loving them so much. That is something I truly hate. Then they hate it when fans invade their privacy as if they didn’t feed that obsessive narrative and entertain it itself.

I do find people attractive but there are so many times when their personalities have just made them feel so ugly to me. Equally like you said others may not be who I look at first but through their personality I start to find them more beautiful. I know girls who are drop dead gorgeous but have no manners and their looks just fade for me. Attraction isn’t just physical but it’s also a lot to do with character and how you present yourself. The most attractive people are those who have the purest hearts! That is the reason I found Taehyung attractive. His personality was so infectious and it made him seem more beautiful than he originally was. He’s gotten more handsome through the years but his eyes have gone darker at times. You can see how beautiful he is when he’s on stage with fans and when he’s genuinely smiling and showing his gratefulness. When he’s on red carpet that whole cold demeanour really impacts his beauty to me.

I want to add, thank you for being respectful. We may not have agreed originally but we handled it well. That is the type of conversation I love to have with others. Not all of us will think the same but having calm and collected conversations are good!!
@taepeach it’s so nice to see you again my friend.
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I prefer simple things true genuine than great fake bright things...the personas doesn't exist...the apparence is only the cover....what is important is heart and soul
 
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ShiningCarat14 said:
This is so freaking true. All of it is spot on! Chefs Kiss!! but I do blame a lot of artists for this. (I really hate that they are called “idol” - that name in itself is toxic, like they need to be worthy of worship, it just really annoys me) They sell this idea that their fans are everything to them. “Army is my everything”, “Army don’t cheat on me” , “if I was born again, army would be the best present in life”. This makes army more dependent and more in love with them and it just feeds into the reality of obsessive fan behaviour. There is nothing wrong with appreciating fans. I think if you don’t appreciate your fans you are a complete douchebag. But when you say those cringe Wattpad lines it becomes inauthentic and fake, almost like their song pied piper where they are mocking their fans for loving them so much. That is something I truly hate. Then they hate it when fans invade their privacy as if they didn’t feed that obsessive narrative and entertain it itself.

I do find people attractive but there are so many times when their personalities have just made them feel so ugly to me. Equally like you said others may not be who I look at first but through their personality I start to find them more beautiful. I know girls who are drop dead gorgeous but have no manners and their looks just fade for me. Attraction isn’t just physical but it’s also a lot to do with character and how you present yourself. The most attractive people are those who have the purest hearts! That is the reason I found Taehyung attractive. His personality was so infectious and it made him seem more beautiful than he originally was. He’s gotten more handsome through the years but his eyes have gone darker at times. You can see how beautiful he is when he’s on stage with fans and when he’s genuinely smiling and showing his gratefulness. When he’s on red carpet that whole cold demeanour really impacts his beauty to me.

I want to add, thank you for being respectful. We may not have agreed originally but we handled it well. That is the type of conversation I love to have with others. Not all of us will think the same but having calm and collected conversations are good!!
@taepeach it’s so nice to see you again my friend.
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Omg, I'm not the only one! I never liked the name idol. It reminds me of the bible saying no false idols so the fact that's what they're called and people are literally worshipping them always sat wrong with me. I said the same thing about Pied Piper and Wattpad lines lol. These are underage girls on these Imagine and 21+ videos where it's gotten to the point they are actually getting porn videos to match with their pictures like they're having sex with them. Like what the actual f***. And about Taehyung, now I definitely do agree with that. Which is also why I think my view of him now is less attracted and more pitiful. I feel bad for him. Now learning all this stuff about what he's doing, whether forced or by choice, is really heartbreaking. I want so bad for him to just walk away from everything but I know it's not that simple. I can't remember who said it but someone mentioned about Taehyung not wanting the be famous and it's something I always got from him especially hearing more about his background. I can't say this for any other member but I think Tae would have been perfectly happy working on a farm somewhere with just his family around him. He didn't even audition by choice, he was asked to. He was thrown into this life and it's really taking its toll on him. Him in interviews, the red carpet, pretty much anything where he isn't directly with the fans makes him look so withdrawn. Even being with the members. Look how he is around BTS vs how when he's with his "Wooga" squad. You see how during their "break" he spent more time with his personal friends rather than the members. Man, I really pray for this man.

Definitely no problem. I know I often come across as cross or even argumentative but it's really not my intention to start fights or disagree just for a sake of disagreeing with someone. I have a blunt personality and even as a young child it has gotten me into unintentional fights. Though we disagreed you were respectful the whole time which I greatly appreciate and we were able to get our points across without being hurtful or combative. That's how it should be ^_^
 
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gmmontano92 said:
It seems like a reach but I've thought this same thing lol. Thought I was crazy for thinking it, so glad I'm not the only one. Wasn't it revealed a couple pages back that Jin and Tae though not directly related are part of the same bloodline? It would make sense. Jin definitely seems to be the only one to not "cater" to Tae.


This quote was heavily mistranslated. The whole "it's not specific to a boy or a girl" thing people refer to a lot was wrong. He never mentioned gender. He said he doesn't care about looks, just personality and vibe. I'm not saying this is what you said, I'm just clearing up the misunderstanding because it's one I see a lot.
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Oh that was what I heard. My bad..
 
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taepeach said:
i always knew this but right now it is evident he is tired. Even in the UN speech he confessed to being depressed but fans through months overlooked it as just being more mature. Idk how they are able to keep up with acting perfectly fine when they are not...
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This made me really sad to watch! Really sad because Taehyung was a completely different person before. Jis
Innocence has been gone forever. He’s done and seen too many things to ever go back but I think what everyone wants is that old Tae. He looks out of it. How much will the pimp him out and make him carry on. He is human too and he’s showing sooo many signs of mental health and exhaustion but how long are they going to keep scapegoating him. Whenever he does that call me sign, it makes me sick. He’s 24 and his body is still for sale since he was 16/17. Like They say in mic drop “my body ain’t enough” - all hidden in their songs

The only time I see “old Tae” is in concerts. His genuine smile comes back and he seems the happiest. I think that’s the only freedom he has when he’s there with his fans.


I am thinking of making a video about him too. I will use some evidence to back up of course but I really want army to know that they should be looking at all the warning signs he’s giving. This isn’t even acting or a persona anymore. Collapsing/disorienting and having emotionless eyes isn’t acting. It’s so sad to see really :(
 
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ShiningCarat14 said:
This made me really sad to watch! Really sad because Taehyung was a completely different person before. Jis
Innocence has been gone forever. He’s done and seen too many things to ever go back but I think what everyone wants is that old Tae. He looks out of it. How much will the pimp him out and make him carry on. He is human too and he’s showing sooo many signs of mental health and exhaustion but how long are they going to keep scapegoating him. Whenever he does that call me sign, it makes me sick. He’s 24 and his body is still for sale since he was 16/17. Like They say in mic drop “my body ain’t enough” - all hidden in their songs

The only time I see “old Tae” is in concerts. His genuine smile comes back and he seems the happiest. I think that’s the only freedom he has when he’s there with his fans.


I am thinking of making a video about him too. I will use some evidence to back up of course but I really want army to know that they should be looking at all the warning signs he’s giving. This isn’t even acting or a persona anymore. Collapsing/disorienting and having emotionless eyes isn’t acting. It’s so sad to see really :(
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Does the video that taepeach shared not have sound?
 
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gmmontano92 said:
It seems like a reach but I've thought this same thing lol. Thought I was crazy for thinking it, so glad I'm not the only one. Wasn't it revealed a couple pages back that Jin and Tae though not directly related are part of the same bloodline? It would make sense. Jin definitely seems to be the only one to not "cater" to Tae.


This quote was heavily mistranslated. The whole "it's not specific to a boy or a girl" thing people refer to a lot was wrong. He never mentioned gender. He said he doesn't care about looks, just personality and vibe. I'm not saying this is what you said, I'm just clearing up the misunderstanding because it's one I see a lot.
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And this I think they are also really close. That's why Vee cried before when he and J1n argued

 
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Fujiko said:
As a ship i prefer Taejin than Jikook lol.I loved when Jin helped V during Dna performance and holded him(he was fainting for exhaustion)
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and when vee accidentally slipped kneeled during GDA, J1n also knelt just to show his comfort to Tae. lol! I guess I will be back to reality again and stop fantasizing ships lol! I hope I have a boyfriend who looks and do these things to me. I'm jealous.
 
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Kittyn said:
and when vee accidentally slipped kneeled during GDA, J1n also knelt just to show his comfort to Tae. lol! I guess I will be back to reality again and stop fantasizing ships lol! I hope I have a boyfriend who looks and do these things to me. I'm jealous.
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I really dislike shipping members for gay purposes but I’ve always liked shipping them in a brotherly way when I was a fan. I think Jin and Tae relate to eachother. They both suffer from Depression, both are most likely moonchildren, both play duality, both are mistreated. I hope that at least one member has Taes back in the group because I sense animosity from the others towards him.

haha.. I get you lol. I am so young but I am in love with weddings lol and I really want to get married and find my soulmate lol.
 
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Door said:
I found the original convo. This is where it started.
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Am I just being naive that I feel like a dating scandal with Jungkook won't bury Nth Room? The only people who really listen to Kpop like that in South Korea are middle schoolers. When you get to high school and college age in Korea, you usually start listening to more diverse music like K-indie...
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But I actually remember what you said pretty well, since I've been re-reading your posts not that long ago. I like to save on my phone the most thought-provoking ideas and theories people post, so I dont lose them and so I can re-read and think about them some more later.
I think it's just parasocial relationships is such a mysterious topic for me. I still dont fully comprehend it, but maybe that's also one of the reasons why I find it so fascinating.

I had another thought. Do you think there's any connection to this and how people get attached to actors? I mean, when people mistake the character an actor is playing for the person? I heard that it's even considered "good" for an actor if they're an "empty" person, so they can take in any role.

I also heard a joke from a friend. "If you wanna pick up girls, just smile and listen, she'll fill in the blanks and later she'll be telling her friends: 'oh he totally loves golden retrievers like me!"
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Hmmm I think the term for that is "actor/role confusion". The book "I am not Spock" written by one of the Star Trek actors tackles it and, ironically, a lot of fans back then derided the book because they thought he was "rejecting" the character of Spock. And yes, you are right about actors being empty vessels to portray their character, here's some research on it:
It's no wonder people oftentimes get confused and conflate the actor with the character. It's because, especially when it's done well, the actor is portraying a fully formed identity.

Oh, what your friend is saying is interesting. I heard abusers use a similar tactic. They'll go for women they can sense an insecurity in or are going through something tough in their lives, will be surface-level nice or cordial to them, give them an inch (as in what they have in common) and the lady will turn it into a mile. They'll project themselves on the dude. But it's not just an abuse thing. I want to search up about it and give you some links because I used to do the same thing too, but with potential friends lol
 
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lauren_xox said:
Hmmm I think the term for that is "actor/role confusion". The book "I am not Spock" written by one of the Star Trek actors tackles it and, ironically, a lot of fans back then derided the book because they thought he was "rejecting" the character of Spock. And yes, you are right about actors being empty vessels to portray their character, here's some research on it:
It's no wonder people oftentimes get confused and conflate the actor with the character. It's because, especially when it's done well, the actor is portraying a fully formed identity.

Oh, what your friend is saying is interesting. I heard abusers use a similar tactic. They'll go for women they can sense an insecurity in or are going through something tough in their lives, will be surface-level nice or cordial to them, give them an inch (as in what they have in common) and the lady will turn it into a mile. They'll project themselves on the dude. But it's not just an abuse thing. I want to search up about it and give you some links because I used to do the same thing too, but with potential friends lol
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This reminds me of the little girl who played Nelly on Little House of the Prairie. She said full adults would come up to her as a child and cuss her out for being mean to Laura and how bad she was bullied because people couldn't separate her from her character. It's really sad
 
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V is actually a big fan of Return of Superman and really likes William and Bentley. It's kinda weird how "into" kids him and Jimin are. About RM, everything could be considered suspect except the chicken thing. I mean, he is literally cooking chicken lol. I would hate to be famous. I couldn't eat anything in public lol.
 
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