Signs of "Alien Life" on Venus

[seekinheart]

Traces of gas that may be coming from MICROBES found in Venus' clouds

Experts from the UK found signs of phosphine in Venus' atmosphere - suggesting the planet must support unknown chemical processes, or even life.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tidal]

At school we used to have fun in science lessons by mixing chemicals to produce weird effects, but I wouldn't call it "life"..

 

[Alanantic]

At school we used to have fun in science lessons by mixing chemicals to produce weird effects, but I wouldn't call it "life"..

Maybe all life is just chemical reactions...

 

[Tidal]

I once put this grass seed on a piece of wet tissue, kept watering it, and a week later it'd sprouted.
Scientists can analyse seeds and list all their chemical components til the cows come home, but they can't MAKE one..

And note in the bottom pic how its sent out root filaments across the tissue to soak up the water..

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Maybe all life is just chemical reactions...

On that question, a world class synthetic organic chemist specialising in nanotechnology may be well placed to comment?

 

[Alanantic]

On that question, a world class synthetic organic chemist specialising in nanotechnology may be well placed to comment?

Since he plans on spending 20% of his talk about Jesus, I'm not really interested. Born there, did that. I figure everything is God so everything can be aware.

"God sleeps in the rocks, stirs in the plants, dreams in the animals, and finally awakens in man." -- Vedic Quote

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Since he plans on spending 20% of his talk about Jesus, I'm not really interested. Born there, did that. I figure everything is God so everything can be aware.

"God sleeps in the rocks, stirs in the plants, dreams in the animals, and finally awakens in man." -- Vedic Quote

I guess you could always skip the first 20 minutes?

He does raise some valid points. I have studied the subject to degree level and his reasoning is sound even if you reject his faith position.

As to your Vedic quote, would you picture an all powerful, impersonal “force” as being an organising agent of inorganic matter, or would you take the materialist position that the properties of matter and time lend themselves to the organisation of life?

As bacteria are often cited as the simplest body plan that could be termed “life”, distinct systems that are present in them which must be “black swan” events from a biological perspective must be accounted for somehow (e.g. the bacterial flagellum)

 

[Alanantic]

I guess you could always skip the first 20 minutes?

He does raise some valid points. I have studied the subject to degree level and his reasoning is sound even if you reject his faith position.

As to your Vedic quote, would you picture an all powerful, impersonal “force” as being an organising agent of inorganic matter, or would you take the materialist position that the properties of matter and time lend themselves to the organisation of life?

The Kybalion (Hermetic) says, "All is Mind". So, maybe this universe is the mind of God. I would say that Mind creates matter (actually, matter/energy & space/time) So, God/Spirit/Supreme Identity/etc. would then be the Ghost in the Machine. That's what makes sense to me.

 

[Tidal]

The Kybalion (Hermetic) says, "All is Mind". So, maybe this universe is the mind of God.

Could be..
God said- "I fill heaven and earth" (Bible: Jeremiah 23:23/4)

 

[Alanantic]

Could be..
God said- "I fill heaven and earth" (Bible: Jeremiah 23:23/4)

Here's a great definition of God; Hindu, I think.

"3. God is endless above and below the universe. There is no place, or even the smallest particle that it does not permeate.
4. God permeates all of the water, land, wood, and stone. Not a single being is without it.
5. Just as water is in and around water animals, in the same way, this pure God is in and around all living beings.
6. However, this simile with water is not entirely appropriate, because there are dry places which exist apart from water, while it is not possible that anyone can ever go outside of God.
7. If one tries to run outside of the sky, it is not possible because the sky is always found in front of us. Similarly, there is no end to the endless God.
8. But even though it is only God that we meet continuously, it is inseparable from the body, and though it is what is closest to everyone, it is also hidden.
9. One exists within it but does not know it. One imagines to have understood it, but really the Absolute Reality cannot be understood." -- Dasbodh Chapter: 7,Sub-Chapter: 4

 

[Tidal]

Here's a great definition of God; Hindu, I think.
...5. Just as water is in and around water animals, in the same way, this pure God is in and around all living beings...

Hmm, I think that might not quite hold true for human beings, because although God would certainly like to be in us, there are some people who don't want him, and just carry on in their own destructive way.
People have to WANT to mindmeld with God and Jesus to get them inside their heads..

Jesus said- "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)

 

[Tidal]

Regarding God and Jesus filling the universe, Jesus said- "Wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them".
This suggests that no matter how far out future astronauts may be in the distant reaches of the universe, God and Jesus are right there with them.

Some nearer home quotes-

On Christmas Eve 1968 Frank Borman quoted from Genesis as they orbited the moon- "We are now approaching lunar sunrise and, for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you- "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth..."

"God bless you" - Neil Armstrong in a TV broadcast from Apollo 11 thanking the spacecraft builders and technicians.

And Armstrong and Aldrin left a plaque inscribed with "Here men from the planet Earth first set foot upon the Moon. July 1969 AD". (AD of course means 'year of our Lord')

And astronaut Roger Chaffee said of the view of Earth- "The world itself looks cleaner and so much more beautiful. Maybe we can make it that way, the way God intended it to be"

John Glenn said from space- "To look out at this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to me impossible, it just strengthens my faith"

 

[Alanantic]

Hmm, I think that might not quite hold true for human beings, because although God would certainly like to be in us, there are some people who don't want him, and just carry on in their own destructive way.
People have to WANT to mindmeld with God and Jesus to get them inside their heads..

Jesus said- "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)

I think our inner spark of Life is proof of God within us. The problem is many people look outside instead of in for answers to life's problems.

 

[Alanantic]

Regarding God and Jesus filling the universe, Jesus said- "Wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them".
This suggests that no matter how far out future astronauts may be in the distant reaches of the universe, God and Jesus are right there with them.

Some nearer home quotes-

On Christmas Eve 1968 the crew of Apollo 8 quoted from Genesis as they orbited the moon- "We are now approaching lunar sunrise and, for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you- "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth..."

"God bless you" - Neil Armstrong in a TV broadcast from Apollo 11 thanking the spacecraft builders and technicians.

And Armstrong and Aldrin left a plaque inscribed with "Here men from the planet Earth first set foot upon the Moon. July 1969 AD". (AD of course means 'year of our lord')

And astronaut Roger Chaffee said of the view of Earth- "The world itself looks cleaner and so much more beautiful. Maybe we can make it that way, the way God intended it to be"

John Glenn said from space- "To look out at this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to me impossible, it just strengthens my faith"

"Yay, God!" Sorry, I'm not much of a cheerleader for Abrahamic religious views; most of which see God/Jesus as some Super Human or Ideal Man. I'm happy thinking God's beyond human comprehension.

 

[Tidal]

I think our inner spark of Life is proof of God within us. The problem is many people look outside instead of in for answers to life's problems.

God is certainly the spark plug that keeps our squishy bodies going, but if people haven't got him in their minds too, they're spiritual deadheads..

 

[Alanantic]

God is certainly the spark plug that keeps our squishy bodies going, but if people haven't got him in their minds too, they're spiritual deadheads..

Many people have no need for a concept of God. Buddhists, Taoists, Non-Dualists, etc., are all quite spiritually alive.

 

[Tidal]

Sorry, I'm not much of a cheerleader for Abrahamic religious views; most of which see God/Jesus as some Super Human or Ideal Man. I'm happy thinking God's beyond human comprehension.

Nevertheless, Jesus's street cred is pretty good..-
Jesus said- "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?....
...I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.....you are of this world, I am not of this world" (John 3:12,John 10:38,8:14,8:23)

 

[Tidal]

Many people have no need for a concept of God. Buddhists, Taoists, Non-Dualists, etc., are all quite spiritually alive.

Ah, but their founders are all corpses in graves somewhere, but Jesus is not, spot the difference?
Jesus said- "I came to save the world", but if people think they don't need help to get off this rock, good luck with that..

 

[Alanantic]

Nevertheless, Jesus's street cred is pretty good..-
Jesus said- "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?....
...I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.....you are of this world, I am not of this world" (John 3:12,John 10:38,8:14,8:23)

My problem with Jesus is the bible gives most Christians the idea that he's the only incarnation of God (or son of). Once he was made into a "deity" he became an object of worship, an idol.

 

[Alanantic]

Ah, but their founders are all corpses in graves somewhere, but Jesus is not, spot the difference?
Jesus said- "I came to save the world", but if people think they don't need help to get off this rock, good luck with that..

Spot the difference? Of course not. Jesus is only alive in your heart & mind, like the rest. What's important is what those corpses said while they were alive. I prefer the attitude of Buddha rather than Jesus.

"Don't get attached to what I say, don't get attached to any doctrine, to what I preach; don't get attached to my personality. These are all just fingers pointing to the moon. Forget me, don't start worshiping me; just look at the moon. And once you have looked at the moon, I don't matter at all." -- Buddha