The seemingly stark contrast between the OT and NT God explained...

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The seemingly stark contrast between the OT and NT God explained...

The Bible is a book of dispensations. There is the dispensation of the law and then there is also the dispensation of grace. The old covenant reveals God as it pertains to his nature as a divine being of morality and perfect justice. It demonstrates the extent of mans sinfulness and Gods holiness and showcases the irreconcilable gulf between the two. It establishes allot of much needed context to the NT in regards to what it is that man needs to be saved from which is the eventual and sure condemnation that sin and rebellion brings from a just and holy God. The OT shows that on the pure basis of the law we are all guilty and also reveals Gods moral disposition and just punishment toward sin. It is a revelation of Gods dealings with man on the sheer basis of the law and the consequences that violating these laws bring. It reveals what it means to and for the world. God is a moral being of justice, but like any judge that must judge in the fairness of the law this does not mean that he is unfair or cruel at heart. It simply means that he must judge without partiality according to the law. This brings us to the mission of Christ...

The NT reveals God as the father and his relatablity to man(as we are made in his image) that always existed, yet was shutup from the world cause of sin. In the OT men were classified as servants or rebels, because sinful man could be nothing more to a holy divine God due to sin. Jesus came to reconcile us back to the father through the adoption as sons or daughters which was the initial state of existence before the fall of man. Through Christ God can legally dismiss our case and revoke our sentence, because justice was satisfied on the cross through Christ. Gods predisposition toward us changed once our case was removed as it went from one as a judge who views a rebel into one as a father that views a child as it was in the beginning before the fall. In order to understand the grace of God you need to first understand the law and the severity of breaking it.
 

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The seemingly stark contrast between the OT and NT God explained...

The Bible is a book of dispensations. There is the dispensation of the law and then there is also the dispensation of grace. The old covenant reveals God as it pertains to his nature as a divine being of morality and perfect justice. It demonstrates the extent of mans sinfulness and Gods holiness and showcases the irreconcilable gulf between the two. It establishes allot of much needed context to the NT in regards to what it is that man needs to be saved from which is the eventual and sure condemnation that sin and rebellion brings from a just and holy God. The OT shows that on the pure basis of the law we are all guilty and also reveals Gods moral disposition and just punishment toward sin. It is a revelation of Gods dealings with man on the sheer basis of the law and the consequences that violating these laws bring. It reveals what it means to and for the world. God is a moral being of justice, but like any judge that must judge in the fairness of the law this does not mean that he is unfair or cruel at heart. It simply means that he must judge without partiality according to the law. This brings us to the mission of Christ...

The NT reveals God as the father and his relatablity to man(as we are made in his image) that always existed, yet was shutup from the world cause of sin. In the OT men were classified as servants or rebels, because sinful man could be nothing more to a holy divine God due to sin. Jesus came to reconcile us back to the father through the adoption as sons or daughters which was the initial state of existence before the fall of man. Through Christ God can legally dismiss our case and revoke our sentence, because justice was satisfied on the cross through Christ. Gods predisposition toward us changed once our case was removed as it went from one as a judge who views a rebel into one as a father that views a child as it was in the beginning before the fall. In order to understand the grace of God you need to first understand the law and the severity of breaking it.
If you all used more scriptures than articles and links maybe....just maybe.....

That’s the problem now. You all want to listen to every Tom dick Paul, John & Harry but I never see Christians posting the words of God. Remember he never spoke a single word in the NT. Our prophets had direct quotes. They spoke what THUS SAID THE LORD. Note the quotations throughout the OT!!!
 

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If you all used more scriptures than articles and links maybe....just maybe.....

That’s the problem now. You all want to listen to every Tom dick Paul, John & Harry but I never see Christians posting the words of God. Remember he never spoke a single word in the NT.
Well you are in trouble mate, because you are required by the old covenant to keep the law and yet for 2000 years you have had no means to keep it without a temple and priesthood. Its like I said the old covenant doesnt change and you cannot separate the temple and various other ordinances and precepts from the law. They are all one... You cant keep the law without these things....

You have to come to the only real conclusion which is that the old covenant is done with seeing as how it cant function or even exist without these things I mentioned like the temple, priesthood, and atonement....
 

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Well you are in trouble mate, because you are required by the old covenant to keep the law and yet for 2000 years you have had no means to keep it without a temple and priesthood. Its like I said the old covenant doesnt change and you cannot separate the temple and various other ordinances and precepts from the law. They are all one... You cant keep the law without these things....

You have to come to the only real conclusion which is that the old covenant is done with seeing as how it cant function or even exist without these things I mentioned like the temple, priesthood, and atonement....
According to the LAWLESS do as thou wilt CHRISTIANS the law is done away with. HOWEVER not according to GOD. The law will be put within! No need to go back and forth about it because God already said.....
 

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According to the LAWLESS do as thou wilt CHRISTIANS the law is done away with. HOWEVER not according to GOD. The law will be put within! No need to go back and forth about it because God already said.....
I showed you in Hebrews the holy spirit was a fulfillment of that prophecy you are speaking of. That prophecy you are speaking of was already fulfilled yet the trouble for you is that its found only through Jesus.

Its actually you who are the lawless one, because you aren't even in obedience to the laws and statutes of the covenant you associate yourself with. Its not even possible, because God ended it. If he didn't he would still provide you with a means to keep it by giving you priests, a temple, an altar, and bulls and rams for atonement. You dont even obey your own covenant....
 

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I showed you in Hebrews the holy spirit was a fulfillment of that prophecy you are speaking of. That prophecy you are speaking of was already fulfilled yet the trouble for you is that its found only through Jesus.

Its actually you who are the lawless one, because you aren't even in obedience to the laws and statutes of the covenant you associate yourself with. Its not even possible, because God ended it. If he didn't he would still provide you with a means to keep it by giving you priests, a temple, an altar, and bulls and rams for atonement. You dont even obey your own covenant....
God never spoke a worked in the Nt. Show me in the old then we can talk.
 

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God never spoke a worked in the Nt. Show me in the old then we can talk.
He clearly isnt speaking toward or working through the old covenant anymore... Hasnt provided you with a means to keep it. The Jews must have done something really bad to upset God for him to go 2000 years without a temple or provide a simple means of atonement according to the law.

They did, they crucified his son and sadly were destroyed in 70AD. I dont say it boastfully or in jesting. Its sad actually....
 

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I showed you in Hebrews the holy spirit was a fulfillment of that prophecy you are speaking of. That prophecy you are speaking of was already fulfilled yet the trouble for you is that its found only through Jesus.

Its actually you who are the lawless one, because you aren't even in obedience to the laws and statutes of the covenant you associate yourself with. Its not even possible, because God ended it. If he didn't he would still provide you with a means to keep it by giving you priests, a temple, an altar, and bulls and rams for atonement. You dont even obey your own covenant....
Continue being a lawlessness Christians that is fine with me. My only concern is attempting to share light with my potential Hebrew sister. I don’t really care what you think or who you serve. Sorry ! Cause in fact Jesus IS your God. He’s just not my God our god so please do carry on.

Like God mocked Israel in Deuteronomy 32 by saying that when times get tough he going to ask

“where is your god, the one in whom you sought refuge” I thought he was coming to save you. “SEE NOW THAT I AM HE and there is NO god with me I KILL I MAKE ALIVE AND NO ONE ( coughs jesus) can DELIVER YOU FROM MY HAND * drops mic*
 

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Continue being a lawlessness Christians that is fine with me. My only concern is attempting to share light with my potential Hebrew sister. I don’t really care what you think or who you serve. Sorry ! Cause in fact Jesus IS your God. He’s just not my God our god so please do carry on.

Like God mocked Israel in Deuteronomy 32 by saying that when times get tough he going to ask

“where is your god, the one in whom you sought refuge” I thought he was coming to save you. “SEE NOW THAT I AM HE and there is NO god with me I KILL I MAKE ALIVE AND NO ONE ( coughs jesus) can DELIVER YOU FROM MY HAND * drops mic*
Under the old covenant everyone is a guilty sinner, even you. Go to God and ask him to reveal sin in your heart and life. Ask him to not spare and reveal all of it. I guarantee you that you would be overwhelmed and knocked back flat on your butt. The law reveals two things...

Gods absolute holiness
Mans utter sinfulness
 

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Continue being a lawlessness Christians that is fine with me. My only concern is attempting to share light with my potential Hebrew sister. I don’t really care what you think or who you serve. Sorry ! Cause in fact Jesus IS your God. He’s just not my God our god so please do carry on.

Like God mocked Israel in Deuteronomy 32 by saying that when times get tough he going to ask

“where is your god, the one in whom you sought refuge” I thought he was coming to save you. “SEE NOW THAT I AM HE and there is NO god with me I KILL I MAKE ALIVE AND NO ONE ( coughs jesus) can DELIVER YOU FROM MY HAND * drops mic*
John 8 21Again He said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for Me, but you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come.”

22So the Jews began to ask, “Will He kill Himself, since He says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?”

23Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”



Mark 13 5Jesus began by telling them, “See to it that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.
 

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Continue being a lawlessness Christians that is fine with me. My only concern is attempting to share light with my potential Hebrew sister. I don’t really care what you think or who you serve. Sorry ! Cause in fact Jesus IS your God. He’s just not my God our god so please do carry on.

Like God mocked Israel in Deuteronomy 32 by saying that when times get tough he going to ask

“where is your god, the one in whom you sought refuge” I thought he was coming to save you. “SEE NOW THAT I AM HE and there is NO god with me I KILL I MAKE ALIVE AND NO ONE ( coughs jesus) can DELIVER YOU FROM MY HAND * drops mic*
Amen to that a million times over!
 

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Under the old covenant everyone is a guilty sinner, even you. Go to God and ask him to reveal sin in your heart and life. Ask him to not spare and reveal all of it. I guarantee you that you would be overwhelmed and knocked back flat on your butt. The law reveals two things...

Gods absolute holiness
Mans utter sinfulness
I find it hilarious that you describe the way YOU believe the world to be when pretending to speaking about the way Israelites/Jews see the world.
None of your ignorant words apply to Torah observors.
Your words apply to Original Sin doctrine believers (Christians).

Get your facts straight before you spew out your filthy words. You have no freaking idea what Jesus even teaches in the four Gospels, what a joke! By extension you have no idea what he actually claims in the Gospels either.
SMH.
 

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If we arent born in a nature predisposed to sin then what is your excuse for living a life of violating Gods laws?
 

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If we arent born in a nature predisposed to sin then what is your excuse for living a life of violating Gods laws?
Because people are rebellious and without sincerity, they follow their pleasures rather than genuinely wanting to serve God.
It's simple.
 

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Because people are rebellious and without sincerity, they follow their pleasures rather than genuinely wanting to serve God.
It's simple.
Yeah, because the heart of man is predisposed to sin.
 

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God had to be like a strict headmaster to bring ancient heathens into line, then when he thought they were improving, he sent Jesus to help them go the extra mile-

"The law brought us to Christ like a schoolmaster, but now through Christ we are not under that schoolmaster" (Galatians 3:22-25)
 

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Yeah, because the heart of man is predisposed to sin.
Nope, that's not the subtext.
Throughout the Old Testament what actually happens is not that the Israelites simply aren't following the Torah properly and that YHWH is just a hard-ass.
What is actually going on, is that the Israelites aren't/weren't following the Torah at all, full-stop. So God keeps sending Prophets to chastise them to follow the Torah and to stop keeping breaking his covenant with that nation.

Read Isaiah 65 (I mean actually do it), and pay attention to what I am saying because you need to learn some things.


True Jews follow the Torah and have a deep spiritual relationship with YHWH. End time prophecies of the future Jerusalem is that ALL Jews, not just the pious ones, will follow YHWH and know him. Big distinction.

The expected Messiah is just the future restorer and literal king of Israel/Jerusalem. He will actually rule in a time where there is universal love of God. Such a time has obviously not come yet.
 
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Nope, that's not the subtext.
Throughout the Old Testament what actually happens is not that the Israelites aren't following the Torah properly and that YHWH is just a hard-ass.
What is actually going on, is that the Israelites aren't/weren't following the Torah at all, full-stop. So God keeps sending Prophets to chastise them to follow the Torah and to stop keeping breaking his covenant with that nation.

Read Isaiah 65 (I mean actually do it), and pay attention to what I am saying because you need to learn some things.


True Jews follow the Torah and have a deep spiritual relationship with YHWH. End time prophecies of the future Jerusalem is that ALL Jews, not just the pious ones, will follow YHWH and know him. Big distinction.

The expected Messiah is just the future restorer and literal king of Israel/Jerusalem. He will actually rule in a time where there is universal love of God. Such a time has obviously not come yet.
Antichrist
 

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Antichrist
Not true, even the book of revelation depicts the same with Jesus in a distant future, the descending "new Jerusalem" from the sky, etc.

The Christian texts flip the script because Jesus fulfilled nothing, they extend the expected prophecies of the real messiah to a future return of Jesus and project doubt of Jesus onto a new concept of an "antichrist" (taken in varying interpretations depending on the epistle read - some calling the antichrist any non-Christian, literally anyone who isn't "Christian", and the others making the antichrist into some kind of figure that actually fulfills the Jewish Prophecy, ROTFL :D - very convenient to dodge criticism on the part of the early "Christians")
 
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