A Letter to Trump

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I guess we are disagreeing on describing the current state of the United States military as defensive. It isn’t as hasn’t been in atleast twenty years, if ever. I can see absolutely no good rationale for continuing to increase the military budget and I can’t reconcile trumps anti war statements and his record so far of not engaging in more warfare with his continued support of increasing the military budget... unless there’s another war coming - either internationally or domestic - it makes no sense. It feels to me they are gearing up for a domestic military situation and that’s the opposite of defense.
World War 3 has been on the agenda for a long time and it's definitely a probability. Either way, better safe than sorry I would say. A leader has certain duties towards his country's and people's security.
 

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So I'm saying his motivation is the common good. You're saying it's for self-interest. Unsure why my beliefs are worth less than yours. But if you think Trump is doing this for his own gain, there are numbers you could verify if you want to support that.

Trump's net worth in 2015 according to Forbes: $4.5 billion

Trump's net worth in 2019 according to Forbes: $3.1 billion

That's a drop of $1.4 billion during his presidency.

In comparison, Obama's net worth is 30 times higher than the day he went into office.

Than you could look at the national numbers of the US, if the average citizen has gained or lost during Trump's presidency and compare it to Trump's net worth loss of 30%.
Your numbers support my argument. If Trump is losing money like shown, then he has motive to try to stop the bleeding.

That bleeding BTW has nothing to do with the FEDs monetary policies. The fed doesn't control how many people go to a Trump golf course. Come on man, you can do better than false equivalency.
 

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World War 3 has been on the agenda for a long time and it's definitely a probability. Either way, better safe than sorry I would say. A leader has certain duties towards his country's and people's security.
Why doEs it seem you define security solely in terms of law and order? People’s security is a lot more then that and when every red cent we have is going towards military, police and incarceration.. not much room left for “security”

The amount of money we spend on these things would make it seem that we had troops threatening our shores on a near daily basis and a crime epidemic of unheard of proportions. We have neither. War on our own soil over domestic issues is the only thing that makes sense. World war three might happen.. but we’ve been bringing troops home which feels like a strategic repositioning considering current events
 
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*yawns*

We (the Catholic Church) grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude

Catholic Church: We give you (Europeans) permission to take everything from them and put them into perpetual servitude




Artful: The Catholic Church was anti slavery....
I said the Catholic Church PIONEERED anti-slavery. Catholic papal bulls were the first public disapproval of slavery world-wide. Prove me wrong or remain enslaved to your Judeo-Protestant anti-Catholic historical revisionism.
 
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JFK didn't get whacked for his Executive Order 11,110. Don't worry, I used to believe that too.

Executive order 11,110 was a temporary measure to continue to allow silver certificates to be issued by the Secretary of Treasury in a transition towards Federal Reserve notes exclusively. So JFK's end goal was complete exclusivity for the Fed to issue money.

JFK received the bullet because he wanted to open up Israel's nuclear program to international scrutiny.
Umm to my understanding, correct me if Im wrong, JFK was trying to return to the gold standard which is step 1 to being assassinated (ask Ghaddafi?)

I think it's highly unlikely that Trump would dismantle the Fed during his 2nd term. If he did, even I would be baffled. But you can compare Trump's position on Fed policies to that of previous presidents, and you will notice a sharp difference in critique and awareness of what the Fed is doing.
He speaks with his chest regarding everything but with the Fed all of a sudden theres no base in his voice? Its not about dismantling the Fe but if you're going to claim he's for the people then I'd expect something better than he created more wage slave jobs and "suggested the Fed lower rates on money they're creating out of nowhere"....
 
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I said the Catholic Church PIONEERED anti-slavery. Catholic papal bulls were the first public disapproval of slavery world-wide. Prove me wrong or remain enslaved to your Judeo-Protestant anti-Catholic historical revisionism.
They sanctioned slavery yet you want me to give them props for later (allegedly) being anti slavery?

I'd never give a rapists props for becoming anti r*pe after the fact. Especially without apologizing or showing any remorse for what they did in the first place. More low standards....
 
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No no no. You cant beat someone at a game they rigged for themselves to win. The only way to win is non compliance. And of course Trump made billions of dollars playing and really became "Donald Trump" playing their game so non compliance isnt an option. Just by participating in their sham of an economy he has to dance to the tune of the feeral reserve.

And so far all I've seen brought to the table as far as good he's done is he gave people a better position in the sham (with low wage jobs of course) or he kindly asked them to lower interest rates on money they're creating out of nowhere. Low standards for props I think...
Do you pay taxes?
 

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Oh, money as debt is a ponzi scheme ... Revelatory stuff, mate. So Trump only passes the test if he calls out the banking system? Or is trying to use their own method of compound interest against them good enough? He's publicly denounced the Fed to drop interest rates, even calling for negtaive interest rates to boost US economy. He's even alluded that Jay Powell, president of the Fed, has a more detrimental effect on the US economy than the president of China.

Most people here have understood the parasitic monetary scam that controls our economies since the 2000s, but not many seem to understand realpolitik. Ron Paul was never POTUS. He didn't even come close. Trump won. You'll have to work with that. You think someone can just go ahead and dismantle the money-as-debt system just like that in a mere 4-year term? Politicians have lost their lives for a lot less.

You said Trump was working for bankers. If he was working for bankers, he would not call for negative interest rates on loans and treasury bonds. Burden of proof is on you.
There's benefits to the fed for doing this as well because the fed would be able to charge fees on deposits they hold from commercial banks. This in turn can allow commercial banks to reduce borrowing costs spurring spending as they should technically want to disperse more liquidity to consumers then hold. So in theory you're right, reducing to negative interest rates would be ideal as people will take out money for businesses, homes, cars etc. The problem is that in reality banks are greedy as fuck. They will not trickle much of these savings down to consumer because banks don't lend on the basis of liquidity but on the basis of risk. Technically, since banks will have more money (as they will not want to hold it in the federal reserve due to paying a negative interest rate or tax on that money held) you would think that increased liquidity would mean banks would lend out more? But that's not the truth. Here in Canada, interest rates drops have hardly trickled down to drops for consumers. With more uncertainty during our current pandemic banks are more reluctant to lend because risk to lend is greater.

On the flip side, negative interest rates can destroy savers and those keeping money in fixed saving accounts (think GICs or bonds or other guaranteed investment vehicles) because the commercial banks will want to make up for the interest their paying on holding that money.

At the end Art, he's not tackling the root of the issue which is money creation. Negative interest rates continues to uphold the fiat based system and doesn't challenge it in any way.
 
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Umm to my understanding, correct me if Im wrong, JFK was trying to return to the gold standard which is step 1 to being assassinated (ask Ghaddafi?)
I have never seen it verified that JFK actually tried to do that. But if you can provide something tangible, I would definitely take a look.

He speaks with his chest regarding everything but with the Fed all of a sudden theres no base in his voice? Its not about dismantling the Fe but if you're going to claim he's for the people then I'd expect something better than he created more wage slave jobs and "suggested the Fed lower rates on money they're creating out of nowhere"....
Trump however, IS trying to return to the gold standard.

A return to the gold standard will not win Trump's trade war

Trump's Fed Nominee Advocates a Gold-Backed Currency, Even a Crypto One

Trump nominates gold standard proponent Judy Shelton to FED Board

I'm pretty sure that if you were born in 30 years, you would be talking about Trump the way you're talking about JFK now ;D
 
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There's benefits to the fed for doing this as well because the fed would be able to charge fees on deposits they hold from commercial banks. This in turn can allow commercial banks to reduce borrowing costs spurring spending as they should technically want to disperse more liquidity to consumers then hold. So in theory you're right, reducing to negative interest rates would be ideal as people will take out money for businesses, homes, cars etc. The problem is that in reality banks are greedy as fuck. They will not trickle much of these savings down to consumer because banks don't lend on the basis of liquidity but on the basis of risk. Technically, since banks will have more money (as they will not want to hold it in the federal reserve due to paying a negative interest rate or tax on that money held) you would think that increased liquidity would mean banks would lend out more? But that's not the truth. Here in Canada, interest rates drops have hardly trickled down to drops for consumers. With more uncertainty during our current pandemic banks are more reluctant to lend because risk to lend is greater.

On the flip side, negative interest rates can destroy savers and those keeping money in fixed saving accounts (think GICs or bonds or other guaranteed investment vehicles) because the commercial banks will want to make up for the interest their paying on holding that money.

At the end Art, he's not tackling the root of the issue which is money creation. Negative interest rates continues to uphold the fiat based system and doesn't challenge it in any way.
I agree completely with you here. A marker for Trump would be how his position is towards negative interest rates for deposits and savings accounts. Definitely something to watch out for.
 

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I agree completely with you here. A marker for Trump would be how his position is towards negative interest rates for deposits and savings accounts. Definitely something to watch out for.
Negative interest rates would actually create an inflationary response due to more money in circulation which would probably weaken the dollar in the mid to long term. This is exactly opposite of what trump said he'd do for the economy. Not to mention the stimulus package he has created will increase American debt and cause more inflation too again due to increase in money supply.

Trump is in a sense singing the tune of the feds. This is how they always operate by playing with interest rates to balance the economy and keep their fiat based system running. Nothing in my own research shows trump is truly fighting a battle against the feds.
 
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They sanctioned slavery yet you want me to give them props for later (allegedly) being anti slavery?

I'd never give a rapists props for becoming anti r*pe after the fact. Especially without apologizing or showing any remorse for what they did in the first place. More low standards....
I feel the need to reiterate that they were pioneers of the abolishment of slavery. Find me a different institution in the world that predates the Catholic Church in this regard. You want to focus on the Dum Diversas of Pope Nicholas V for instance, which was at that time on par with pretty much the rest of the world, and ignore the papal bulls of for instance Pope Eugene IV, like Sicut Dudum:

Sicut Dudum
Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands
Pope Eugene IV - 1435
Pope Eugene IV Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands

"... We order and command all and each of the faithful of each sex, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their earlier liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents of said Canary Islands, and made captives since the time of their capture, and who have been made subject to slavery. These people are to be totally and perpetually free, and are to be let go without the exaction or reception of money. If this is not done when the fifteen days have passed, they incur the sentence of excommunication by the act itself, from which they cannot be absolved, except at the point of death, even by the Holy See, or by any Spanish bishop, or by the aforementioned Ferdinand, unless they have first given freedom to these captive persons and restored their goods. We will that like sentence of excommunication be incurred by one and all who attempt to capture, sell, or subject to slavery, baptized residents of the Canary Islands, or those who are freely seeking Baptism, from which excommunication cannot be absolved except as was stated above."​




In its historical context, this was practically unheard of. Not a single institution in Asia, Africa or even the Native Indians in the Americas had something even remotely similar about the abolishment of slaves or even the encouragement of slave emancipation. So you stick with attacking the institution and the Christian world that was pivotal in abolishing slavery while you are no longer a slave or don't know any slaves in your immediate environment thanks to them. You attacking the pioneer of the abolishment of slavery for slavery is grossly dishonest.
 
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I have never seen it verified that JFK actually tried to do that. But if you can provide something tangible, I would definitely take a look.
Either misremembered or was completely off base but I couldnt find anything about a gold standard and JFK. Probably because the gold standard was still in effect until the 70's.

He did give power to the treasurer but I definitely cant say that thats why he was killed. He did make that speech on secret societies which was clearly directed at them since he was calling for man to be "free and independent"....

Yea but talk is cheap. When he starts enacting measures that goes at the FED or directly attacks them ("End the Fed" was a direct attack though I dont think it was a serious one) then he'd have more of my ear. Till then all he gets from me is "he's not as bad as people are trying to make him out to be but he's not a saviour or freedom fighter either"...
 
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Why doEs it seem you define security solely in terms of law and order? People’s security is a lot more then that and when every red cent we have is going towards military, police and incarceration.. not much room left for “security”

The amount of money we spend on these things would make it seem that we had troops threatening our shores on a near daily basis and a crime epidemic of unheard of proportions. We have neither. War on our own soil over domestic issues is the only thing that makes sense. World war three might happen.. but we’ve been bringing troops home which feels like a strategic repositioning considering current events
A bigger and stronger US army is only a problem to me if the leader of that army is bent on the perpetuation or expansion of American imperialism, which I don't think is happening. I actually think that, if Trump gets re-elected, we'll see the end of American imperialism before the end of his term, whether Trump intended it or not. I think he justs wants the US to be the leading example to other nations without enforcing American exceptionalism down other peoples' throats.
 
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Either misremembered or was completely off base but I couldnt find anything about a gold standard and JFK. Probably because the gold standard was still in effect until the 70's.
This is where it gets technical. The end of the gold standard was in 1933 under Roosevelt. I think the difference between 1933 and 1971 was that after 1933 money could no longer be traded against gold by a fixed price, while in 1971 money could no longer be traded against gold at all. But I'd have to look into it more to make sure this is correct.


Yea but talk is cheap. When he starts enacting measures that goes at the FED or directly attacks them ("End the Fed" was a direct attack though I dont think it was a serious one) then he'd have more of my ear. Till then all he gets from me is "he's not as bad as people are trying to make him out to be but he's not a saviour or freedom fighter either"...
Duly noted. We wait to find out.
 
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Negative interest rates would actually create an inflationary response due to more money in circulation which would probably weaken the dollar in the mid to long term. This is exactly opposite of what trump said he'd do for the economy. Not to mention the stimulus package he has created will increase American debt and cause more inflation too again due to increase in money supply.

Trump is in a sense singing the tune of the feds. This is how they always operate by playing with interest rates to balance the economy and keep their fiat based system running. Nothing in my own research shows trump is truly fighting a battle against the feds.
This is true if it was meant to be applied mid to long-term, but that's not the point here. It's a temporary measure to boost US exports. The dollar is currently strong compared to other currencies, so the dollar can take the hit of temporary inflation, and the cheap dollar would largely compensate on the international markets because it's an incentive to buy American goods. It's an obvious win-situation for the American economy.

You wanna end the fiat currency system, as do I. It's not going to work by simply nationalizing the Fed. It would cost Trump his presidency or his life. You take it step by step. Returning to the gold standard is a step in the right direction. Not saying a Federal Reserve chairman will be able to force it through past a banking roundtable, but with enough political will, which she has in Trump, anything's possible.
 
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This is where it gets technical. The end of the gold standard was in 1933 under Roosevelt. I think the difference between 1933 and 1971 was that after 1933 money could no longer be traded against gold by a fixed price, while in 1971 money could no longer be traded against gold at all. But I'd have to look into it more to make sure this is correct.
Or in other words I was speaking out of line lol Fair enough. I do think his speech about secret societies had something to do with it. And in a roundabout, indirect way, he touched on the Federal Reserve. I'll wait to see what Trump says or does thats on that level but Im with you on somethings with him. I just dont believe its genuine..

I feel the need to reiterate that they were pioneers of the abolishment of slavery.
I mean you can reiterate something all you want but it doesnt change the fact that they sanctioned it. Why would I give someone props for abolishing something they sanctioned in the first place? Like a person is robbing a house and they stop and Im supposed to applaud them for stopping?

And your info is from 1435. This is from 1452

We grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude.
So the pope AFTER Eugene, again, sanctioned slavery. Those are the facts. I have no will against them or any of their descendants for doing so, because thats what they were sent to do. Though they went overboard. But at the end of the day the facts are the facts. And I only brought up the Church to point out that yes, they were in on it too. And they have a bunch of our possessions that they too, will have to come off of. You might not believe it but ask yourself why the pope last appeared as a hologram (allegedly) and why he decided to drop all his religious titles his position historically used? At/around the same time of a pandemic. At/around the same time of riots because of social unrest. At/around the same time Donald Trump dropped a "400 years of African American History" Act? At/around the same time that symbolic historical markers are being torn down? What does all this symbolically mean? I know, but others might not know till its too late....
In its historical context, this was practically unheard of. Not a single institution in Asia, Africa or even the Native Indians in the Americas had something even remotely similar about the abolishment of slaves or even the encouragement of slave emancipation. So you stick with attacking the institution and the Christian world that was pivotal in abolishing slavery while you are no longer a slave or don't know any slaves in your immediate environment thanks to them. You attacking the pioneer of the abolishment of slavery for slavery is grossly dishonest.
I think its dishonest that you want to applaud them for abolishing something they started in the first place. I got this from wiki because I had never heard of

"Acting on a complaint by Fernando Calvetos, bishop of the islands,[10] Pope Eugene IV issued a Papal bull, "Creator Omnium", on 17 December 1434, annulling previous permission granted to Portugal to conquer those islands still pagan.

Its dishonest to suggest someone applaud someone for abolishing something that shouldnt (secularly) have been enacted in the first place. The church is in on it. The bankers are in on it. The royal family(ies) are in on it. Theres probably infighting going on right now
 
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No everyone "needs a job to make money" in this debt based society that has turned the populace into wage slaves. And Trump has done nothing to combat that scam now has he?
Who can live in this world without a job? Are you talking about the people on welfare..who live off other peoples money?
 
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Why would I give someone props for abolishing something they sanctioned in the first place? Like a person is robbing a house and they stop and Im supposed to applaud them for stopping?
I think a more proper analogy would be: everyone in the world is robbing houses, and a bystander whose moral judgment is held in high regard, who didn't interrupt or disapprove, said : "Wait, this is wrong."


I think its dishonest that you want to applaud them for abolishing something they started in the first place.
It's impossible to have the truth more upside down than what you say here. Blaming the pioneer of the abolishment of slavery for slavery. lol Unbelievable.
 
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Who can live in this world without a job?
Im talking about the scam economy thats collapsing before your eyes.. Its over Lisa soon enough and maybe you'll get to see how life SHOULD be and not how the pope/western europe's matrix sees it
 
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