George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[justjess]

Here, I'll appease the simple-minded's selective indignations. The cop shouldn't have pushed the elderly guy. That wasn't necessary. Chauvin should've lifted his knee when Floyd was no longer moving, possibly even sooner (assuming we're not going with the staged scenario). Police brutality exists and deserves attention.

There, now that's been settled, let's see if we can put the focus on the bigger picture.

1. Do you think BLM would stand up for that man if it wasn't for the current context? Because of some larger universal, moral principle?
It has nothing to do with the current divide between protestors and police? The only cop who'll get a pass is one that gets down on his knees and does nothing.
Do you think that if such a guy was knocked over by police in, let's say, an anti-lockdown protest, that BLM would stand up for that guy?
If so, do you think BLM would still stand up for that guy if the person knocking him over was not a police officer? Because I think police officers work on BLM and consorts like red flags on a bull. Would they stand up for that guy if he was assaulted by a black man?

Let's be honest. All these questions were rhetorical.

2. Are you so one-sided that you can't consider that the police officer who pushed the man knows he did something wrong, that he acted on frustration in the heat of the moment and instantly regretted it? That the cop was following orders to clear the square and that the old man wasn't listening? Is that option not even possible? Cops constantly act on instinct and impulse and since they're humans with emotions, they make mistakes. People looting stores and burning buildings, that's not an impulse, that's premeditated, but they deserve more leniency apparently.

You can talk about condemning this, condemning that, condemn that cop for doing that, condemn this protestor for doing this and give moral judgment on these insignificant details or pretend that we care about people we don't know, just so we would be perceived as empathic and human. These micro-analyses and virtue signals are a waste of time.

Can't get away from the crux of the matter that certain groups of people are rioting or protesting because of a perceived injustice. This is not mainly about police brutality. If you really believe it is about police brutality first and foremost, you would have to say that the same outrage and reaction would've occurred if Floyd was a white guy and Chauvin black. If you're being honest, you'll admit no, so therefore agree that it's a racial issue.
These protests are about racism, plain and simple, and police violence was the catalyst. Just look at all the virtue signaling on social media. It's BLACK Lives Matter, right? It's BLACKout Tuesday, right? It's the BLACK victim and White racist all over. Right?

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So the whole western world is up in arms about police violence perpetrated against blacks, which is a narrative that's been deliberately spun since the 80s. THAT's the crux of the protest. And THAT is why this is all so insane. There is no disproportionate violence towards black people by white cops. There IS, however, disproportionate violence from blacks to white cops.

US demographics:

White 77%%
Black 12,7%

Police Force demographics (source):

White 77,1% (but I can't tell if this includes Hispanics)
Black 13,3%

Officers killed in the line of duty, 2008-2017: 496 ​

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Of those 496 officers, 427 were white (= 86,1% > 77,1%).​

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Of those 496 officers, 54 were black (= 10,9% < 13,3%).​

Police killing offenders, 2008-2017: 517​

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Of those 517 offenders, 288 were white (= 55,7% < 77%)​

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Of those 517 offenders, 197 were black (= 38,1% > 12,7%)​

White cops die more often compared to their proportion in the police force, while black cops die less compared to their proportion in the police force. Offenders are white less than their overall proportion of the populace, while offenders are black more than their overall proportion of the populace.

Sources:

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These protests are utterly absurd.


EDIT: I changed white demographics to include Hispanics and Latinos.

This simple mind ( ) does not have the patience tonight. Until tomorrow.

 

[Aero]

Reform is a choice or exercise in free will. It's not a challenge against God.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

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[Hooligan69]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1269427864623034379

White House wanted 10k active duty troops to quell protesters - CNNPolitics

 

[Corvus Metus]

...and what about anyone who thinks cops are bad?

They'd be right. This might sound shocking, but once upon a time, people on these forms didn't stan of the police since they realized that they were the foot soldiers of the elite.

Bullshit. If they wanted the money of the group they are pandering, they'd pander to people with money. Or are black Americans the people with the most purchasing power now? It's PR that aligns perfectly with an elitist group think that is in favour of diversity and believes all the anti-white tropes.

You know black people buy things, right? That even poor black people! Things they don't even need, too! Like shoes, and video game consoles. They want TV. They watch movies. Hell, there are some niches where African Americans make up a sizable demographic... Even in things you wouldn't expect? Fighting games, like Street Fighter? A good portion of people good enough to play for a living are black... So companies that make fighting games, like Capcom or Arc System Works? Makes sense for them to come out.

Also, "anti-white tropes", lol.

Corvus Metus' intellectual contribution:

"I'm convinced that anyone who actually things Jews are good guys on this forum are either feds or fascists."

"I'm convinced that anyone who actually things blacks are good guys on this forum are either feds or fascists."

"I'm convinced that anyone who actually things gays are good guys on this forum are either feds or fascists."

Apples and motor oil.

Black people do not, as a collective, do not have systematic power. Nor do gays. And even Jews don't. But again, keep thinking police are the good guys... Until, you know, they put their boot on your throat because you eventually go against what the elite want...

 

[UnderAlienControl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1269325736671940609

 

[Tidal]

Aargh, that damn virus is racist!

 

[Wigi]

@Artful Revealer

You brought up very interesting points and yes the pop culture have decided to lead the narrative into whatever they want it to be but I want to give another perspective to your stats:

From 2008 to 2017, 427 white police officers have been killed. Ok we get that and personally I believe it's sad but we don't know if the majority of white officers were all killed by black offenders while 667 blacks among 2984 persons were shot by the police between 2017 and 2019 representing 22,3% (>12,1%).

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

In 2019, blacks represented 23,4% of those who were shot by the police and If we take account of the additional 20,1% classified as unknown and consider that roughly half of them were in fact blacks it would mean they represented 33% of the persons shot by the police (> 12,1%) solely for 2019.

With this we should also consider the fact that the number of white persons shot by the police decrease since 2017 while it's increasing with blacks.


People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2024 | Statista

The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity.

www.statista.com

When this violence culminate with police forces murdering unarmed civilians on video then that becomes unacceptable and thankfully people reacts to it.


@Lyfe
I absolutely agree with your last sentence but I disagree with this :

Violence is sin whether it comes from the police or from a protester, but that is irrelevant, because as ambassadors for Christ we are not called to reform the world.

Asking for reforms that improve the society in a positive way is the right thing to do and many courageous christians fought the status quo throughout History. If that wasn't for them, we wouldn't have a Bible nor the freedom of belief we have today.
Now if the society is willing to stand up against oppression and discrimination, I will agree with that simply because discrimination is a sin according to James chapter 2.

 

[vancityeagle]

What a bunch of nonsense that Christian's are not called to reform the world. Spoken like a true charlatan. Imagine the good samaritan having that line of thinking. Clearly anyone who thinks this has not read the bible, and clearly they are not with the holy spirit. Christ said he would rebuke those who did not help people in need. And yes that is "changing the world"

 

[Faker He-Man]

The only people feeling “divided” are the ones who are uncomfortable with the fact that everyone else is having conversations about the problem of racism, but they are only leaving themselves out by choice.

Anyone is welcome to join the conversations, but don’t try to butt in with “all lives matter” because that is changing the subject in a desperate attempt to silence the conversations that are suddenly pulling you out of the bubble you live in.

You cannot convince us that all lives matter while we have an ongoing epidemic of UNARMED, non-threatening black people being murdered by police. Until the sickness is cured, the need for the cause will persist. If you want it to go away more quickly, then help us instead of whining about others exercising their first amendment rights and insisting upon changing the subject to all lives. We are discussing black lives specifically at this time.

If you want to have a different conversation, that’s fine, but there is no need to rudely try to drown out all of the conversations about unarmed black people being murdered in the streets

 

[justjess]

They want an authoritarian state. Just as long as it’s their preferred flavor of oppression @Faker He-Man

No point trying to reason.

 

[vancityeagle]

The only people feeling “divided” are the ones who are uncomfortable with the fact that everyone else is having conversations about the problem of racism, but they are only leaving themselves out by choice.

exactly.

they are claiming "this is to cause a race war"

but they are literally the only ones moving towards this, as the rest of the country is COMING TOGETHER.

as you correctly point out, they are uncomfortable or even angry that the idea of racial equality is being discussed, because it would seem they wish for it to continue

they are intentionally leaving themselves out of the conversation by choice

and this is another "CULTURE WAR" issue, and their media sources are telling them "this is not an issue" "these people are rioters and looters" "Antifa terrorists" etc etc

You would think a man being murdered by cops on video, followed by the fascist use of police to assault peaceful protesters would be able to unite the entire population against the elites, but apparently not.

Apparently some people are more concerned about culture wars than actually fighting the establishment.

 

[justjess]

exactly.

they are claiming "this is to cause a race war"

but they are literally the only ones moving towards this, as the rest of the country is COMING TOGETHER.

as you correctly point out, they are uncomfortable or even angry that the idea of racial equality is being discussed, because it would seem they wish for it to continue

they are intentionally leaving themselves out of the conversation by choice

and this is another "CULTURE WAR" issue, and their media sources are telling them "this is not an issue" "these people are rioters and looters" "Antifa terrorists" etc etc

You would think a man being murdered by cops on video, followed by the fascist use of police to assault peaceful protesters would be able to unite the entire population against the elites, but apparently not.

Apparently some people are more concerned about culture wars than actually fighting the establishment.

This was the overarching local reaction to a peaceful protest in the next town over which had maybe fifty people at it holding signs

 

[thursdayafternoon]

In 2019, blacks represented 23,4% of those who were shot by the police and If we take account of the additional 20,1% classified as unknown and consider that roughly half of them were in fact blacks it would mean they represented 33% of the persons shot by the police (> 12,1%) solely for 2019.

You cannot compare the ratio of races to the general population. you have to compare crime rates.

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

www.bop.gov

You still have no evidence of institutional racism.

 

[vancityeagle]

 

[thursdayafternoon]

The only people feeling “divided” are the ones who are uncomfortable with the fact that everyone else is having conversations about the problem of racism, but they are only leaving themselves out by choice.

Anyone is welcome to join the conversations, but don’t try to butt in with “all lives matter” because that is changing the subject in a desperate attempt to silence the conversations that are suddenly pulling you out of the bubble you live in.

You cannot convince us that all lives matter while we have an ongoing epidemic of UNARMED, non-threatening black people being murdered by police. Until the sickness is cured, the need for the cause will persist. If you want it to go away more quickly, then help us instead of whining about others exercising their first amendment rights and insisting upon changing the subject to all lives. We are discussing black lives specifically at this time.

If you want to have a different conversation, that’s fine, but there is no need to rudely try to drown out all of the conversations about unarmed black people being murdered in the streets

As I said before, when you say unarmed civilians, you compare very small numbers.

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

www.bop.gov

you shared this

but there is not a large sample here to support the racism argument.

a group that makes up 38 percent of all inmates. this is normal if it is 35 percent of all deaths.

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

It’s clear that the war on drugs was designed to specifically target black communities. Whites use drugs at the same rates as blacks but enforcement is not equal. White rural America is drowning in meth and pills but it’s spread out and arrests are unlikely because they keep it under wraps because everyone knows everyone. I had a friend from a 1400 person town and they literally fired the police Chief when she started investigating city officials involved in bringing it in.

Let’s not forget to mention that gangs filled the void that was left after the FBI destruction of the black panther party. It’s a whole stew of reasons and just analyzing raw crime data in order to support your racist white nationalist talking points does no good.

 

[Aero]

Black people get charged more often than white people, and serve longer jail sentences. This is not up for debate. Its racism.

 

[justjess]

It’s clear that the war on drugs was designed to specifically target black communities. Whites use drugs at the same rates as blacks but enforcement is not equal. White rural America is drowning in meth and pills but it’s spread out and arrests are unlikely because they keep it under wraps because everyone knows everyone. I had a friend from a 1400 person town and they literally fired the police Chief when she started investigating city officials involved in bringing it in.

Let’s not forget to mention that gangs filled the void that was left after the FBI destruction of the black panther party. It’s a whole stew of reasons and just analyzing raw crime data in order to support your racist white nationalist talking points does no good.

I’m from an 1800 person town. Our last police chief was fired for sleeping with a 15 year old. No charges.

 

[justjess]

Racism doesn’t exist though, right?