George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[lightseeker]

When you think it can't get any worse, they still happen to amaze me.

Yeah sometimes I think I can’t be surprised anymore. There is always a new level of impossibility to be reached. They’re all saying this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1267885076697812993

evaluate the risks and benefits. 40 million jobs lost vs, spray painting and breaking windows, what’s needed? If you don’t believe you’re in the midst of an ideological insurrection by now, you won’t until your on a train to the camps

 

[lightseeker]

White children deserve to have their innocence destroyed, says this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268906455580762112

if you believe this you are a walking zombie andare going to be the one turning your neighbors into the new thought police after the police departments are abolished

 

[Artful Revealer]

Now there's a protest.

Italian 'orange vest' protesters take to the streets of Rome and Milan demanding an end to lockdowns while chanting 'the virus doesn't exist'



Orange vest protestors have taken to the streets of Italian cities to demonstrate against the Government's strict Covid pandemic lockdown, claiming the virus 'does not exist'.

The anti-lockdown group are demanding for Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's Government to be replaced by a national Government and the 'return to the Italian lira'.

...

Yes! A thousand times yes.

 

[justjess]

Two Buffalo cops investigated after shoving elderly man to the ground

The two officers are under criminal investigation after footage captured them shoving Martin Gugino and leaving him with critical injuries in an incident in front of Buffalo's City Hall on Thursday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is the American police system. Instead of shaming their colleagues for seriously injuring a peaceful elderly man they resign on mass to protest the offending officers being disciplined.

 

[Faker He-Man]

Why would low-threat blacks be disproportionately targeted more than high-threat blacks? If your theory is true, this wouldn't make sense.

My data provides a possible explanation, without claiming it is the explanation. That:
1. Black cops fire quicker than cops of other races.
2. Predominantly black communities will have predominantly black law enforcement.

It’s not my theory, it’s what the data shows. The reason black people are disproportionately killed by police is because they are disproportionately unfairly targeted, harassed, and perceived as a threat, not because they commit more crime or behave more violently or whatever make-believe reason you might prefer to cling onto.

Why is it that the ONLY category that explains the racial disparity in police killings is the low-threat category? This fact speaks for itself, really.

 

[justjess]

Philly police commander seen beating protesters in two videos will face aggravated assault charges

Staff Inspector Joe Bologna has a history of misconduct and is linked to past PPD corruption scandals.

whyy.org

 

[Artful Revealer]

It’s not my theory, it’s what the data shows. The reason black people are disproportionately killed by police is because they are disproportionately unfairly targeted, harassed, and perceived as a threat, not because they commit more crime or behave more violently or whatever make-believe reason you might prefer to cling onto.

It's you who's clinging on to your theory, that it's because of discrimination or racism. The data you've given doesn't support that, at all. I've given you reasons why your study's data are what they are. They are disproportionately killed by police, but LESS than their share in crime, not more.

Just because your study says they are disproportionately dying in low-threat situations, doesn't tell us anything about the race or racial prejudice of the cops.

 

[justjess]

It's you who's clinging on to your theory, that it's because of discrimination or racism. The data you've given doesn't support that, at all. I've given you reasons why your study's data are what they are. They are disproportionately killed by police, but LESS than their share in crime, not more.

Just because your study says they are disproportionatley dying in low-threat situations, doesn'ttell us anything about the race or racial prejudice of the cops.

Put racism to the side for a second. Do you even agree that police violence is an issue period? It does not appear that you do.

 

[justjess]

Heavily armed men who refuse to identify themselves are patrolling the streets of Washington, DC. They were sent by the Bureau of Prisons.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons, the agency that deployed the officials, said they did not need to identify themselves.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Faker He-Man]

It's you who's clinging on to your theory, that it's because of discrimination or racism. The data you've given doesn't support that, at all. I've given you reasons why your study's data are what they are. They are disproportionately killed by police, but LESS than their share in crime, not more.

Just because your study says they are disproportionately dying in low-threat situations, doesn't tell us anything about the race or racial prejudice of the cops.

We don’t know what the actual share of crime is nor would we have a truly unbiased manner of accurate sociological comparison. Look at the ratio of charged to convicted for white vs non-white for starters.

 

[Faker He-Man]

@Artful Revealer Why is it that the ONLY category that explains the racial disparity in police killings is the low-threat category? This fact speaks for itself, really.

 

[Corvus Metus]

To justify the black protest, you must prove that this condition is about being black. Those who go out on the streets talk about "black lives", but not to mention Tony Timpa.

People should absolutely have rose up for Tony Timpa. They didn't. But since people are rising up for George Floyd. there's actually a chance to change things and if you don't take that chance... Well, you're letting Tony Timpa down, since the person being propped up as a martyr matters less than the cause

@Corvus Metus

You think you get a pass because you use a non-racial identifier (cops)? Try replacing cops with a demographic and see how that sounds, even if it's true.

There's a bid difference between a profession and a race or a orientation, for one. You're not even comparing apples to oranges, but apples to motor oil.

Doesn't sound very good, does it? At least, when someone says these things I just listed, there's public outrage, because we're not allowed to generalize an entire group because of the wrongdoings of a minority. That's politically incorrect, you see.

I don't give a single shit about politcal correctness. However, this "minority" you're talking about has something other minority groups don't have; systematic power.

But you have no problem generalizing against cops, because you've been taught to dislike them by those who seek to disrupt order when things don't go their way and it's being encouraged by alot of institutions that aim to control people's minds. If you criticize cops now, all cops, you get public endorsement.

I don't hate the cops because I've been "taught to dislike them". I dislike cops because I used to want to be one, but after research, realized I'd be protecting businesses and enforce the "law" more than serving and protecting the people. I dislike them because they get get away with murder and even get away with minor crimes they'd eagerly ticket me and you for.


If you criticize criminals however, then ooooh ... dangerous territory.[/QUOTE]

'cause you know, the real criminals are people who abuse their authority.

Murder implies intent. Is it proven or can anyone be sure Chauvin intended to kill him?

Murder implies "unlawful" killing. If you were to get in an argument with someone, punch them, and they'd fall and crack open their head you would still be charged with murder. Don't try to play semantics there.

I care about fighting real oppression, not an imaginary one.

No matter who you believe in the behind the conspiracy, who do you think is going to enforce the will of the elite on a local level? Police.

 

[Faker He-Man]

On second thought, the low-threat category would have to account for even more than the amount of racial disparity in police killings since all other categories of police killings are majority white. This of course also indicates that in nonviolent, non-threatening police encounters resulting in lethal force, the victims are overwhelmingly black.

 

[Kung Fu]

"Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC)."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/?outputType=amp

 

[Artful Revealer]

Put racism to the side for a second. Do you even agree that police violence is an issue period? It does not appear that you do.

I agree it's a problem, but people act like the police is disproportionately violent compared to the violence committed by certain communities. Take the black community out of the statistics and the US would have a police record similar to, don't exactly remember the country mentioned, but I think it was Switzerland.

 

[Lisa]

As a white person, I know that I'm less likely to be pulled over because I have nice car. I know that if I resist an unlawful arrest, I'm less likely to be killed. I know that if I'm in a nice neighborhood, I'm less likely to be stopped and questioned. I understand that if I get convicted of a crime, especially a minor one, I'm likely to serve less time. I even recognize I could do far more for the oppressed than I do. That's recognizing my privilege.

There's no guilt involved. I don't, for example, feel bad about slavery.

You know all that through experience?

 

[Artful Revealer]

"Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC)."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/?outputType=amp

Taking into account criminal records?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Why is it that the ONLY category that explains the racial disparity in police killings is the low-threat category? This fact speaks for itself, really.

On second thought, the low-threat category would have to account for even more than the amount of racial disparity in police killings since all other categories of police killings are majority white. This of course also indicates that in nonviolent, non-threatening police encounters resulting in lethal force, the victims are overwhelmingly black.

Yes, but are the cops shooting low threat blacks overwhelmingly black too?



I say this because black communities have more black policing and white communities more white policing.

 

[justjess]

I agree it's a problem, but people act like the police is disproportionately violent compared to the violence committed by certain communities. Take the black community out of the statistics and the US would have a police record similar to, don't exactly remember the country mentioned, but I think it was Switzerland.

That argument kind of contradicts itself. You’ve said consistently the police are not disproportionately violent towards the black community, now your saying if you subtracted data from the black community the American police system wouldn’t be viewed as especially violent.

from what I understand police in Europe are a completely different animal then police in America. American police are for the most part excessively violent with little or no reason.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t good cops. I feel bad for good cops. There’s a system in place which ostracizes them especially for speaking out on this. The police department in my town - good guys, really about serving the community. But it’s the first time I’ve ever personally encountered that after living three decades plus on this earth.

 

[Artful Revealer]

That argument kind of contradicts itself. You’ve said consistently the police are not disproportionately violent towards the black community, now your saying if you subtracted data from the black community the American police system wouldn’t be viewed as especially violent.

13% committing 52% of the homicides. Are you saying 13% commits 52% of the homicides because the police is racist towards them? I'm saying police probably wouldn't be perceived as violent as they are if the black community didn't have such high crime levels.

from what I understand police in Europe are a completely different animal then police in America. American police are for the most part excessively violent with little or no reason.

European people have developed high trust societies over time and have been disarmed. Police has also been disarmed of lethal weapons in many places. There's no violence and gang culture in most of Europe as there exists in the US although American culture quickly follows in Europe, so, together with the open-border policies, this is also changing.