Coronavirus

[thursdayafternoon]

the article was shared within a reddit group of people who have been confirmed positive for covid. It was in response to someone who was talking about having symptoms and testing positive after 30 days. There are a lot of people who are discussing the fact that they still have to quarantine because they have tested positive a month later.

There is also a lot of research that I find valuable among Chinese sources. China is oppressed in their ability to provide information. They are not incapable of providing information.

according to the quantity of personal stories validating this information, it won’t be too long before we have more to reference about it from a western perspective too.

I heard that it was a zombie virus, the dead began to come out of the grave.

Indefinite news, assumptions etc.

At the end?

 

[thursdayafternoon]

Coronavirus: Deaths at 20-year high but peak may be over

Numbers dying nearly double above what would be expected, but peak may now be over, say experts.

www.bbc.co.uk

"A third were linked to coronavirus, but deaths from other causes also increased, suggesting the lockdown may be having an indirect impact on health."

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts.

thehill.com

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate “potential” COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability

 

[Awoken2]

Ok we seem to be getting lots and lots of msn facts and figures dropped into this thread, and it is a conspiracy forum after all.

So let's toss it over to the conspiracy theorists for 5 minutes to get their view.

As there are so many conspiracies flying around at the moment I found this edited version quite helpful as it clearly defines the Corona 5G link as the reason for this current "outbreak"

*Disclaimer* By posting this video I am not stating that all the participants are to be trusted.

 

[The Zone]

What do you make of this?

This video will be pulled from YT at any time. It has already been removed from six channels. While she is not a firsthand witness, she is obviously well versed as a nurse practitioner. People should check it out for it shares a lot as it goes on and mirrors what is being spread and then quickly squelched. If accurate this vid exposes some of the reasons for high number of deaths in New York.

As to other interesting fodder, check out this Bill Gates article from MSM's CSNBC on his proposed solar engineering.

https://archive.st/archive/2020/4/www.cnbc.com/wgu1/www.cnbc.com/2019/09/07/bill-gates-funded-solar-geoengineering-could-help-stop-global-warming.html

Raise your hand if you still think all we have been dealing with is natural. I am glad some are woke to this guy, now they need to wake up and see the intentional division created by media which is more than a little evident in this forum. A divided people are easier to conquer. So, this article all but admits chemtrails are real.

 

[rainerann]

I heard that it was a zombie virus, the dead began to come out of the grave.

Indefinite news, assumptions etc.

At the end?

are you trying to suggest that all deaths have dropped and are being replaced by the coronavirus?

Maybe you will appreciate learning that these statistics were never a gold standard to begin with. There was a great article I was reading the other day that points out that 1 in three deaths are reported wrong. We are greatly misinformed about our risks of dying of just about everything.

One in 3 death certificates were wrong before coronavirus. It's about to get even worse.

One in three death certificates were wrong before COVID-19, expert says. The pandemic will make it worse, thwarting the quest for an accurate death toll.

www.usatoday.com

This lovely man has even been tracking the inflation of flu cases over the past several years leading up to this point. from my experience, I would say he is correct. When the flu shots started rolling out and being pushed, I had never seen a person isolated or positive with the flu. This year though was different. There were a ton in comparison. It was almost like the flu was created by the push to get a flu vaccine.

The increase in the number of flu patients over the years is one of the reasons that I do think people are really dying of this. For whatever reason they are doing it is another thing, but if there isn’t an opportunity to understand the process that it is causing, then it is possible that a lot of people could die from this.

this man does a great job of explaining the inserts in the coronavirus and how it is weird that they would be added to the coronavirus. It is also weird that they resemble glycoprotein 120 and that fauci happens to have somewhere around 400 patents concerning this glycoprotein from the HIV virus. It is around minute 17 if I remember correctly, but the whole presentation is worth watching.

I just really find it hard to take people seriously that minimize this to the point that they suggest that people aren’t really dying and this virus isn’t really all that bad. It just defies the prospect of looking into conspiracies or saying this was planned. You can’t make something like this into a false flag. It is not possible.

There are also a lot of things that need a major makeover, but they will only change in a positive direction from this point in time, if people live. Life is more valuable than money.

I have said before in this thread already, but I will say it again, that it looks like this virus needs to be killed so to speak. So I would recommend people looking into whatever they feel comfortable with to help overcome a virus. Not Lysol obviously, but some good quality antiviral substance to take as a preventative. There are tons of things out there and if people were able to investigate these things and take care of themselves, there would be somewhat less need to use the healthcare system to begin with.

our healthcare system might collapse over this. I’m not sure whether I feel like that is entirely a bad thing. I just don’t know how the pharmaceutical companies would be bailed out or what would happen to them in general.

but this isn’t nothing that shouldn’t be taken seriously and it would be better if it could be isolated out of existence but it has already spread a lot so that probably won’t happen in most places.

it was probably meant to spread and was spreading in China even for a couple of months before people started testing positive. Look at how many positive cases they are reporting since February. That is more than two months of doubling. That is at least four months from what we have seen in other countries so far.

But no, the number of deaths due to stroke was never accurate in comparison and is not the litmus test that proves conspiracy in this case.

 

[Frank Badfinger]

This video will be pulled from YT at any time. It has already been removed from six channels. While she is not a firsthand witness, she is obviously well versed as a nurse practitioner. People should check it out for it shares a lot as it goes on and mirrors what is being spread and then quickly squelched. If accurate this vid exposes some of the reasons for high number of deaths in New York.

As to other interesting fodder, check out this Bill Gates article from MSM's CSNBC on his proposed solar engineering.

https://archive.st/archive/2020/4/www.cnbc.com/wgu1/www.cnbc.com/2019/09/07/bill-gates-funded-solar-geoengineering-could-help-stop-global-warming.html

Raise your hand if you still think all we have been dealing with is natural. I am glad some are woke to this guy, now they need to wake up and see the intentional division created by media which is more than a little evident in this forum. A divided people are easier to conquer. So, this article all but admits chemtrails are real.

It's on Bitchute now. I'm reposting on the CV-19 doctors speak out thread.

Insane Murd r Going on in NYC Hospitals RN Discloses ~ Go Viral

None

www.bitchute.com

 

[The Zone]

Well, if I had gone full-on with and pursued my degree in psychology I would be better versed in making an assessment. But that aside, she seems sincere, grounded, intelligent and willing to put her face on what she claims. This is just one of many videos that have slipped past YT censorship and there are more out there. It is confusing to see some here all but parrot MSM stats for weeks, yet I know people in major hospitals who are telling different tales and some of them are far from stretched thin. I know people who work as doctors, nurses and standard personnel in the many major hospitals in this area and they are singing a much different tune than what I am seeing repeated here. The hospitals are less busy than ever, people in need of procedures are forced home and many workers are twiddling their thumbs. So, the volunteers who have gone to NY are all stuck in motel rooms to make others seem overworked. I really wish some people would let go of their pride and wake up.

An aside - the 3rd leading cause of death in the US???
MALPRACTICE - link

 

[Cintra]

Ok we seem to be getting lots and lots of msn facts and figures dropped into this thread, and it is a conspiracy forum after all.

So let's toss it over to the conspiracy theorists for 5 minutes to get their view.

As there are so many conspiracies flying around at the moment I found this edited version quite helpful as it clearly defines the Corona 5G link as the reason for this current "outbreak"

*Disclaimer* By posting this video I am not stating that all the participants are to be trusted.

Conspiracy theorists are sometimes interesting.
But I would rather look at what the different grades of MSM are telling me, and decide for myself what I think of it.

I find a lot of conspiracy videos just want me to go along with their view of things, and take their opinions as gospel truth.
And then the next one wants me to believe a whole different set of things.

 

[Lisa]

If this teacher is reprimanded for her behavior..you will never hear about it because they keep that stuff under lockdown..no one is privy to that stuff even if it is something done against you.

Shocking moment New Jersey teacher tells teenagers to 'die a long, painful death' from coronavirus after they ignored stay-at-home orders to play football outside

Teacher tells teenagers to 'die a long, painful death' from COVID-19

A teacher, identified as Nicole Griggs, told teens 'to die a painful death' from COVID-19 in Hamilton, New Jersey

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lisa]

But..how will they dress the passengers? Haha

AirAsia unveils new cabin crew uniform fit for the coronavirus crisis... complete with mask, visor and BOILER SUIT

AirAsia unveils new coronavirus uniform... complete with BOILER SUIT

Passengers will be attended to by stewards clad head to toe in personal protective equipment when some flights restart on April 29.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lurker]

So, the volunteers who have gone to NY are all stuck in motel rooms to make others seem overworked

Local media has had a couple of stories about travelling nurses. I'm sure you can guess the content of the stories. But it makes me wonder why is a Florida nursing license good enough during an "emergency" but not during a non-emergency? Why do they only need nurses (maybe some Drs.) but not additional cleaning staff, transport workers or cafeteria staff?

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Conspiracy theorists are sometimes interesting.
But I would rather look at what the different grades of MSM are telling me, and decide for myself what I think of it.

I find a lot of conspiracy videos just want me to go along with their view of things, and take their opinions as gospel truth.
And then the next one wants me to believe a whole different set of things.

Exactly. It's having an open and critical mind to what's really behind the stories being published. There's a difference between being told what to think and in times like this, we need to know how to think, to be able to extrapolate the crux of the story and what is being conveyed in it. For the most part, MSM is just pumping fear so for those who watch it, they need to ask why and how does that benefit me, my family, my neighbourhood? Or better yet, WHO benefits if I'm scared? I think being a discerning citizen is key in trying to identify the facts through the narratives. If not, we're at someone else's mercy:

How Britain’s Propaganda Machine Controls What You Think

How Britain's Propaganda Machine Controls What You Think - TruePublica

Just 5 billionaires and 5 ISP's and a few gov't officials control what you read and see and manipulate what you believe to be factual. Propaganda works!

truepublica.org.uk

 

[The Zone]

Local media has had a couple of stories about travelling nurses. I'm sure you can guess the content of the stories. But it makes me wonder why is a Florida nursing license good enough during an "emergency" but not during a non-emergency? Why do they only need nurses (maybe some Drs.) but not additional cleaning staff, transport workers or cafeteria staff?

Because this is theater. There are real bugs, but anyone who does not realize this is one giant infomercial for your rights being flushed down the toilet is already defeated. It is going to be an interesting few years moving forward. The question might be, why did they feel the need to make this play now? I think this is the tip of the iceberg so to speak and wait until people figure out they've already been sorted into groups and how they are apt to respond via advanced quantum algorithms. Our freedoms are shot to shit, but that does not mean we do not try and fight it as best we can. There is no time like the present to show a little resistance to what they seek to accomplish and there are more woke people than maybe we think. The problem though is some are 110% brainwashed and still think their superiors care about them. Those are the ones complicit in their own demise. They have tried their best to divide us before this mess and it is now up to many to find some common ground for all sides are destined for having their lives turned upside down and in some cases ended.

 

[Lurker]

The question might be, why did they feel the need to make this play now

I think it's to make us not listen to them next time when the shit is real.

 

[The Zone]

I think it's to make us not listen to them next time when the shit is real.

It is all too obvious that something else is planned or a round two which would officially further uproot us from what we considered a normal life. They have to implement more catastrophe to make people accept coming vaccinations, some of which will be like injecting a ticking time bomb. What is evident is people will give away freedom for goods and services. They want to take some people off this earth and they can do two things. One, kill them. Two, enslave them at home. Those at home now and then will be brainwashed by media into complicit thinking or new think for they know all are watching. We have been herded into shelters without a shot being fired.

 

[Cintra]

Exactly. It's having an open and critical mind to what's really behind the stories being published. There's a difference between being told what to think and in times like this, we need to know how to think, to be able to extrapolate the crux of the story and what is being conveyed in it. For the most part, MSM is just pumping fear so for those who watch it, they need to ask why and how does that benefit me, my family, my neighbourhood? Or better yet, WHO benefits if I'm scared? I think being a discerning citizen is key in trying to identify the facts through the narratives. If not, we're at someone else's mercy:

How Britain’s Propaganda Machine Controls What You Think

How Britain's Propaganda Machine Controls What You Think - TruePublica

Just 5 billionaires and 5 ISP's and a few gov't officials control what you read and see and manipulate what you believe to be factual. Propaganda works!

truepublica.org.uk

Yes!
I dont read/post MSM because I believe what they say uncritically.
I do it because I want to know what they are telling me to think. They are building the narrative that will become the truth.

I think its worth observing that process as it happens.

 

[rainerann]

I watched the video with the nurse practitioner on Reddit and read some of their comments. The one part about bringing nurses in, I don't why they did that, to begin with, because it creates massive scheduling issues. Whenever you do something like this, there is going to be a massive imbalance somehow.

Then, you have people who don't know how to use any of the systems or what they require to be charted. The traveling nurses end up being more of a burden in many cases than helpful especially since many nurses panic when they are not in their element. There is a lot of liability involved and so it can be nerve-wracking to not know whether or not you have missed something.

Most of the people on Reddit were not shocked by this based on their experience from before this and there is a way to get more information about this even if this gets pulled down. All hospitals get reviews the same way a restaurant does. There are a ton of patient reviews since this whole thing started. Although, I don't think their bad reviews did a whole lot to change the average 2 stars most of the hospitals were getting already. People post some pretty thorough accounts of their experience on Yelp and Google if anyone is interested.

Also ancillary staff like housekeepers and such are probably running at the bare minimum already and there are not going to be a lot of people to send. These departments get cut to pay nursing salaries and such. They have also cut continuing education for nurses and education in general over the years. There isn't money in teaching nurses to be a certain quality, and I think training has really suffered over the years and it shows in the quality of care people have been talking about for years now. None of these things are new.

 

[The Zone]

Yes!
I dont read/post MSM because I believe what they say uncritically.
I do it because I want to know what they are telling me to think. They are building the narrative that will become the truth.

I think its worth observing that process as it happens.

One of the best methods for critical thinking is sponging much while injecting common sense into the problem. They are making it easier on those who realize MSM is tainted beyond repair. There will never, ever be a trusted source of information again in our lifetime. It is ALL propaganda and designed to sidetrack, confuse to the point some just give in over time. It still kills me how many zombies they've created and how some just whistle right along believing everything they hear. Some of the most successful people around you are dumb as rocks and maybe that is why they say the meek shall inherit the earth, LOL. Anyhow, I have always used the reading the tea leaves from information gathering which I agree and disagree with. It seems to serve me fairly well. Meanwhile, while distracted, many things continue to happen. Have you ever wondered how or why all other news on anything ended when this started? All those created issues are on pause right now. And 5G grows, as does the plans to force innoculate the world. Some good news here.... they are not ready with tech to chip just yet, so expect phone applications to hold that information at first

I watched the video with the nurse practitioner on Reddit and read some of their comments. The one part about bringing nurses in, I don't why they did that, to begin with, because it creates massive scheduling issues. Whenever you do something like this, there is going to be a massive imbalance somehow.

Then, you have people who don't know how to use any of the systems or what they require to be charted. The traveling nurses end up being more of a burden in many cases than helpful especially since many nurses panic when they are not in their element. There is a lot of liability involved and so it can be nerve-wracking to not know whether or not you have missed something.

Most of the people on Reddit were not shocked by this based on their experience from before this and there is a way to get more information about this even if this gets pulled down. All hospitals get reviews the same way a restaurant does. There are a ton of patient reviews since this whole thing started. Although, I don't think their bad reviews did a whole lot to change the average 2 stars most of the hospitals were getting already. People post some pretty thorough accounts of their experience on Yelp and Google if anyone is interested.

Also ancillary staff like housekeepers and such are probably running at the bare minimum already and there are not going to be a lot of people to send. These departments get cut to pay nursing salaries and such. They have also cut continuing education for nurses and education in general over the years. There isn't money in teaching nurses to be a certain quality, and I think training has really suffered over the years and it shows in the quality of care people have been talking about for years now. None of these things are new.

She is a practitioner, which means quite educated. Are you telling me they cannot form schedules with help volunteering? Really? That is the reason? Are we going to blame the lack of logistical planning as the culprit? I do get that hospitals vary from state to state. Sanitation specialists are being sent home and docked in the two major hospitals in my area for there is no foot traffic and these hospitals are the size of small cities. As for Reddit, there is good and bad info there. There are a ton of shills and propaganda.

 

[rainerann]

In general, a lot of nurses are scared of this whole thing too. It is just a reality that some people are better under pressure than others. It is a shame but some of them do become nurses because you can make good money. There is ordered chaos in this environment usually. It isn't really like joining the military where there is always the potential of combat, so many nurses are not doing so well with the experience even when the numbers are low and they are being rotated with other nurses. They still don't want to go to the unit that has covid patients. Few people are volunteering for this.

Nurses in hospitals are often new too. The dream of many nurses is to get experience and go to an ambulatory department or something. Like I said before, it won't be such a bad thing if this whole experience changing the reality of healthcare in this country in some way. There are some serious things that need to change right now and things don't change when people are comfortable.

 

[rainerann]

She is a practitioner, which means quite educated. Are you telling me they cannot form schedules with help volunteering? Really? That is the reason? Sanitation specialists are being sent home and docked in the two major hospitals in my area for there is no foot traffic and these hospitals are the size of small cities.

Yes, because these people don't do the scheduling. Everyone does it differently, but I would imagine there is another hospital nearby that has too many people and the people getting shorted at this hospital don't realize what is creating the imbalance. It has nothing to do with her level of education. Nurses and nurse practitioners don't do the scheduling. I would imagine they have a department that does this that a director or a manager is working with that is far removed from the realities of each unit.