Coronavirus

[Lurker]

Meanwhile what the good side does

Anti-fascists, street medics make sanitizer to fight virus

Portland groups Rosehip Medic Collective and Popular Mobilization are making free hand sanitizer at the Q Center.

pamplinmedia.com

Good deed. Applause. Though I found "making free hand sanitizer at the Q Center. " funny.

 

[VigCizMember]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Sources believe coronavirus outbreak originated in Wuhan lab as part of China's efforts to compete with US

There is increasing confidence that COVID-19 likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory not as a bioweapon, but as part of China's effort to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been...

www.foxnews.com

 

[VigCizMember]

I'm really starting to believe this is man-made now...
I mean we all knew abut the ZeroHedge articles - and those have been interesting and there seems to be an interesting story there about how this thing could have escaped from a lab.
What also screams "man-made" to me is we have it jumping species WAY too easily (bats, dogs, humans, TIGERS, LIONS!) - what virus does this?!?!?
And then there's the possibility of people getting reinfected? How? Usually antibodies stay long enough to provide enough immunity to prevent this - at least in short-term...
And whisperings of mutations?
Attacking T-cells?
Very strange...

 

[VigCizMember]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[rainerann]

I'm really starting to believe this is man-made now...
I mean we all knew abut the ZeroHedge articles - and those have been interesting and there seems to be an interesting story there about how this thing could have escaped from a lab.
What also screams "man-made" to me is we have it jumping species WAY too easily (bats, dogs, humans, TIGERS, LIONS!) - what virus does this?!?!?
And then there's the possibility of people getting reinfected? How? Usually antibodies stay long enough to provide enough immunity to prevent this - at least in short-term...
And whisperings of mutations?
Attacking T-cells?
Very strange...

I’m pretty sure that it was made under controlled conditions too. There are a lot of weird things about it and I have been thinking about the numerous comparisons being made between this coronavirus and hiv that I have been seeing.

if this ends up being true, then it is likely that people aren’t being reinfected. It could mean that the virus is progressing according to its own unique course and that we won’t really understand this progression for another 10 years. This would mirror the way hiv progresses with no obvious symptoms and progresses on it own course.

There is a chance that the decline a person experiences could be delayed if this is similar to hiv and that many more people already have it that are testing negative since hiv takes a long time to show up in a test. There are many things we might not know until we see how this affects people long term.

on the other hand, you could develop immunities for this the way you would with any coronavirus. You could possibly even do both and develop immunities and experience an extended progression of a flu process. It also seems to be mutating rapidly, so it how this manifests could even end up being unique to the person.

overall there are very few things about this that seem to be typical. This is some sort of mutant flu that might be progressing and saving the damage it is capable of for a later date. We definitely need a treatment is what I’m thinking at this point.

 

[manama]

You might understand this better than me, but if it’s a virus that operates in some way similar to HIV. Then we’re talking about it damaging the immune system right?

So the virus itself isnt killing people but it’s opening us to death by common virus’ and bacteria’s? I mean that’s essentially what and AIDS related death is right? The HIV progresses to such a state that the immune system is gone and patients develop things like pneumonia as a result of common everyday germs?

COVID is not like HIV, HIV specifically attacks T cells and destroys your immune system. This virus is doing the opposite, causing the immune system to OVERREACT, the best example i can give you other than spanish flu is that its similar to an allergic reaction.

 

[Infinityloop]

Great post from someone on reddit:


Exactly what is this 'quarantine'?

The Rules:

1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my God.
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with " I don't want to trigger panic, but…"
18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications). Orange man bad.
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

 

[rainerann]

You might understand this better than me, but if it’s a virus that operates in some way similar to HIV. Then we’re talking about it damaging the immune system right?

So the virus itself isnt killing people but it’s opening us to death by common virus’ and bacteria’s? I mean that’s essentially what and AIDS related death is right? The HIV progresses to such a state that the immune system is gone and patients develop things like pneumonia as a result of common everyday germs?

Im not one for predictive programming but that is what the virus in the last two seasons of the X-Files does. Just removes immunity to everyday pathogens that our bodies fight off without us really realizing.

Reinfections could be the start of immune break down and as the months go by we might find that the reinfections might be worse than initial diagnosis, or that the formerly asymptotic begin to develop symptoms,as the immune disease progresses.

This a scary thought and I believe I saw an article earlier today talking about COVID attacking T-Cells going to look for that. I don’t like to speculate about the virus’ origins as much as I want to plan to deal with it, but you raise very interesting and serious questions

potentially, I did see the article about an attack on the tcells. However, the relationship between hiv and coronavirus from the study I saw was in regard to binding receptors, but I need to re-review those articles that I had read last week again to be a little more clear on that.

from what I remember, this would mean something more along the lines of a never ending flu so to speak because even with some ability to arrest excessive immune system response. The binding function similar to hiv that causes the virus to exist for an extended period of time where the body is unable to build immunity to it before it becomes too late. That might be more of what is happening based on what I have read about the potential for lasting damage.

so immunity or some evidence of recovery does not truly mean that the virus doesn’t still exist and progress rather than being something you can get twice is what I’m thinking. And what we are seeing of reinfection might mean that there is some capacity to hide itself the way hiv hides from test results for the first few months.

There is so much to this that is unknown, but that’s interesting about the xfiles. I never watched that show. It is reasonable to see a connection, but it could also have been based on the personality of hiv that was fairly well understood by the time the final episode of xfiles was aired.

This is from an article on long term damage. I haven’t read the study that is linked.

“In a study posted this week, scientists in China examined the blood test results of 34 COVID-19 patients over the course of their hospitalization. In those who survived mild and severe disease alike, the researchers found that many of the biological measures had “failed to return to normal.”


Chief among the worrisome test results were readings that suggested these apparently recovered patients continued to have impaired liver function. That was the case even after two tests for the live virus had come back negative and the patients were cleared to be discharged.”

Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear

Some patients who have recovered from coronavirus infection are suffering lasting damage, including liver damage, heart damage and blood clotting problems.

www.latimes.com

I should add that I think the damage it could continue to cause long term could be unique, but it is likely that it will continue to cause damage and herd Immunity might not be possible.

 

[Infinityloop]

Another great post off reddit:



Yo, all you defeatist "NWO has won" doomsayers...

Do us all a favor and STFU if you surrender monkeys are going to idlly fret and foolishly give your CONSENT to be dominated.
I don't know if it's just trolling, shilling, or legit potato heads who don't understand how this works, re: ritual magik, psychological warfare, demoralization tactics, intentional mass confusion/gaslighting campaigns, etc. but it's time to check yourselves.
First of all, writing breathless worry posts about how the "NWO is here, we're fucked, they won, nothing will ever be the same again!" are not only dangerous they're absolutely useless!
Let's assume for a minute the NWO is really as powerful as you imagine them to be and their takeover really is inevitable. What possible utility is there to crying in the corner? If you're gonna get taken out one way or another, go out on your feet, ffs... not your knees!
Now, the good news... The present situation is tough, yes and it is likely to get worse before it gets better. However, that does not mean an absolute apocalyptical torture session for the rest of time. Not by a long shot. Nonetheless, your mental and emotional state during these trials and tribulations will literally have a direct impact on how much worse things will get! No joke!
So take ownership of your mindset, your thoughts, and control your emotions. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GIVE AWAY YOUR CONSENT, whether explicitly or tacitly. You are vastly more powerful than this foe. Why else do they perpetually operate in secret, behind closed doors, and under cover of darkness?
Because they're all-powerful wizards in control of everything??? That's a good one.
So what WILL you do?
WILL your WILL! Shape reality for your benefit and the benefit of your fellow brothers and sisters. Be a light in the dark and a signal amidst the noise. Reclaim your rightful, prestigious place among the Cosmos. do. it. NOW.
That is all, carry on...

 

[manama]

Is that better or worse?

Hard to say. In some ways you can say its better but at the same time in others its worse, especially now that AIDS isn't that dangerous anymore.

“The coronavirus may attack T cells, similar to HIV
Another study from researchers at Fudan University in Shanghai and the New York Blood Center provides more-harrowing evidence for the long-term consequences of contracting the virus. According to the findings published in the journal Cellular & Molecular Immunology, when the researchers initiated contact between COVID-19 and lab-grown T lymphocytes — better known as T cells — the virus disabled the cells, which help identify and eliminate pathogens in the body. The researchers also found that SARS, a related coronavirus, could not infect T cells. The study found that COVID-19’s damage to the T lymphocytes resembled that caused by HIV.”

That’s what made me think about that but you’re pretty much the rational hand here

I looked at the study and it does say that the virus doesn't replicate and then destroy the T-cells however the aspect of "disabling" them is interesting. I will look up on it a bit more.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Hard to say. In some ways you can say its better but at the same time in others its worse, especially now that AIDS isn't that dangerous anymore.


I looked at the study and it does say that the virus doesn't replicate and then destroy the T-cells however the aspect of "disabling" them is interesting. I will look up on it a bit more.

A couple of years ago, I remember reading about how China was at the forefront of experimentation with CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing.

It is just a thought but are we looking at an genetically engineered hybrid virus which has either accidentally or purposefully been released?

^ The video above was posted 7 months ago.

I read two alternate viewpoints this morning, the first makes the Chinese PTB look bad, the second makes them look diabolical.

The first:-

US investigating possible coronavirus 'patient zero' due to unsafe Wuhan lab

https://www.jpost.com/International/US-officials-investigating-possible-coronavirus-origin-in-Wuhan-lab-624786

The second:-

Super Bug "Viruz" Created in 2015 by Certain "Red Nation" Using SARS Infected Bats/Mice?? [mirrored]

Mirrored copy of 2 videos: (1) Excerpt from 3:48 to 6:55 of "SCARY!!! CORONAVIRUS MAY HAVE BEEN CREATED IN 2015 BY USING SARS INFECTED BATS & MICE AS A WEAPON" posted 7 April 2020 on The Josh Bernstein Show on YouTube. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLSsaVBIC8 (2) "Coronavirus RAI...

www.bitchute.com

 

[Haich]

I guess we won't be returning to normalcy until a vaccine is introduced...

Weekly round of applause for NHS staff – as it happened

Applause takes place after Dominic Raab leads meetings on Covid-19 physical distancing measures

www.theguardian.com

Quite interesting how many of the deaths have been men. Men are definitely more affected by women...

I know of one case, my husband's cousin, who has had the virus for 3 weeks and has had to take one month off work. His pregnant wife also contracted it and recovered in less than a week, with little to no symptoms. He however, was almost hospitalised and according to the doctors 'on his death bed'. He is much better now thank goodness but still has a persistent dry cough...

Kind of reminds of Boris Johnson and his girlfriend. She too is pregnant and recovered relatively quickly, didn't experience any worrying symptoms. Yet he had to be hospitalised...and is now on the mend.

Returning to normal 'not likely in short term', says Hancock
The health secretary, Matt Hancock, has been doing the rounds this morning, and has told Sky that it will take time for life to return to normal.
He stressed the number of deaths is still “far too high” for any exit strategy to be set out, adding the public must instead focus on staying at home.

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It is very clear that this tory government have absolutely no clue as to what they're doing. Keeping us in lockdown for another month or so will not do anything in the way of solving the issues of the virus. There needs to be a plan set so people can return to normalcy...

Also, the 80% wages that Rishi Sunak stated would be paid by the government is only for those who self isolate due to contracting the virus or be in a household with someone who has it. So people like myself who do not qualify for unemployment benefits (dubbed Univeral Credit) are going to be out of pocket.

The reason many do not qualify for universal credit is because you need to make a joint claim if you are married/live with a partner. If your partner works full time, you will receive the pittance of £50 a week (if you are lucky) and you will have to wait 5-6 weeks for your first payment.

 

[manama]

A couple of years ago, I remember reading about how China was at the forefront of experimentation with CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing.

It is just a thought but are we looking at an genetically engineered hybrid virus which has either accidentally or purposefully been released?

^ The video above was posted 7 months ago.

I read two alternate viewpoints this morning, the first makes the Chinese PTB look bad, the second makes them lookdiabolical.

The first:-

US investigating possible coronavirus 'patient zero' due to unsafe Wuhan lab

https://www.jpost.com/International/US-officials-investigating-possible-coronavirus-origin-in-Wuhan-lab-624786

The second:-

Super Bug "Viruz" Created in 2015 by Certain "Red Nation" Using SARS Infected Bats/Mice?? [mirrored]

Mirrored copy of 2 videos: (1) Excerpt from 3:48 to 6:55 of "SCARY!!! CORONAVIRUS MAY HAVE BEEN CREATED IN 2015 BY USING SARS INFECTED BATS & MICE AS A WEAPON" posted 7 April 2020 on The Josh Bernstein Show on YouTube. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLSsaVBIC8 (2) "Coronavirus RAI...

www.bitchute.com

This is very interesting, everyone I know is currently speculating that its man-made as well and in China. But you know we all end up falling into the same question of "why?".
Honestly the entirety of current situation feels way too convenient.

 

[DavidSon]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1250200117388468227

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

This is very interesting, everyone I know is currently speculating that its man-made as well and in China. But you know we all end up falling into the same question of "why?".
Honestly the entirety of current situation feels way too convenient.

Well, this was my best shot of “why”, but for someone on a conspiracy forum, I don’t really enjoy speculating (though I end up doing it more than I care to) as it tends to confuse opinions and narratives with truth and evidence.

What follows is just me joining up pictures with bits of red ribbon, I.e. opinion...

The DaVinci Code, Tom Hanks and the Coronavirus

A tweet by Tom Hanks took me down a rabbit hole this morning... Care to join me? The Lost Symbol The Lost Symbol is a 2009 novel written by American writer Dan Brown. It is a thriller set in Washington, D.C., after the events of The Da Vinci Code, and relies on Freemasonry* for both its...

www.vigilantcitizenforums.com

 

[Cintra]

That is a good thread.

Its a lovely little typewriter, very Hemmingway.
But Tom Hank's tweets are weird.

 

[illuminatimess]

Wash your hands...stay in your cage...put a mask on...narc on your neighbors...watch MSM for the truth...do not get near family...subscribe to propaganda filled Netflix and such...hunt toilet paper,

It sucks being a lab rat!

Then stop being a lab rat

 

[Orwell's mentor]

I guess we won't be returning to normalcy until a vaccine is introduced...

Weekly round of applause for NHS staff – as it happened

Applause takes place after Dominic Raab leads meetings on Covid-19 physical distancing measures

www.theguardian.com

Quite interesting how many of the deaths have been men. Men are definitely more affected by women...

I know of one case, my husband's cousin, who has had the virus for 3 weeks and has had to take one month off work. His pregnant wife also contracted it and recovered in less than a week, with little to no symptoms. He however, was almost hospitalised and according to the doctors 'on his death bed'. He is much better now thank goodness but still has a persistent dry cough...

Kind of reminds of Boris Johnson and his girlfriend. She too is pregnant and recovered relatively quickly, didn't experience any worrying symptoms. Yet he had to be hospitalised...and is now on the mend.

Returning to normal 'not likely in short term', says Hancock
The health secretary, Matt Hancock, has been doing the rounds this morning, and has told Sky that it will take time for life to return to normal.
He stressed the number of deaths is still “far too high” for any exit strategy to be set out, adding the public must instead focus on staying at home.

‐--------‐-------------

It is very clear that this tory government have absolutely no clue as to what they're doing. Keeping us in lockdown for another month or so will not do anything in the way of solving the issues of the virus. There needs to be a plan set so people can return to normalcy...

Also, the 80% wages that Rishi Sunak stated would be paid by the government is only for those who self isolate due to contracting the virus or be in a household with someone who has it. So people like myself who do not qualify for unemployment benefits (dubbed Univeral Credit) are going to be out of pocket.

The reason many do not qualify for universal credit is because you need to make a joint claim if you are married/live with a partner. If your partner works full time, you will receive the pittance of £50 a week (if you are lucky) and you will have to wait 5-6 weeks for your first payment.

I hope things do turn around for you, Haich. The UK Government website still states that as of March 19, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases so I'm not sure why a vaccine would have to be administered for any sort of normalcy to return. You're probably right that they just may be incompetent.

It's also interesting but the picture posted on the Guardian website was strikingly similar to one I've seen before:

 

[justjess]

Is that better or worse?

There’s More Bad News on the Long-Term Effects of the Coronavirus

Five recent reports show just how much more there is to learn about COVID-19.

www.google.com

“The coronavirus may attack T cells, similar to HIV
Another study from researchers at Fudan University in Shanghai and the New York Blood Center provides more-harrowing evidence for the long-term consequences of contracting the virus. According to the findings published in the journal Cellular & Molecular Immunology, when the researchers initiated contact between COVID-19 and lab-grown T lymphocytes — better known as T cells — the virus disabled the cells, which help identify and eliminate pathogens in the body. The researchers also found that SARS, a related coronavirus, could not infect T cells. The study found that COVID-19’s damage to the T lymphocytes resembled that caused by HIV.”

That’s what made me think about that but you’re pretty much the rational hand here

From a non medical perspective, as someone who has an abundance of personal experience with an over reactive malfunctioning immune system (I have ms, my mom has lupus)..

I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Your body basically identifies itself as the “enemy” and attacks to kill.. in ms just the brain, in lupus whatever it decides at the moment. The initial reports of this virus causing cytokine storms and organ damage as well as neurological problems (it can cross the brain blood barrier?) terrified me.. even the use of hydroxychloroquine being touted is scary because that should have no place in the treatment of the flu. It’s to shut down the immune system. The whole thing is scary if you actually read what it is doing to people.

The potential for this to lay dormant and “attack” at some later point... every time I’ve had to go to the hospital for MS they have been wholly incompetent in treating me. Imagining that on a grande scale..

@Haich if this turns out to be more of an immune system issue it is interesting that with auto immune diseases, such as MS, pregnancy is considered to be a protective situation. It is very rare to have an MS attack during pregnancy. Maybe there’s something there, idk.

 

[Haich]

By the time everything goes back to normal I'll be on maternity leave lol so I may not work for the rest of the year!

It's okay, have to stay positive and there's a lot of people in worse situations.

I'm also concerned about post Brexit life which doesn't look good...mostly because there is no bloody plan in place! Never was...

Boris has conveniently been sick and hasn't been running the government (but the question is did he ever run it or read out Dominic Raab's scripts).

I think people will slowly disperse to Scotland and elsewhere. UK has no hope in hell under these crooks...