144,000: Literal or symbolic?

[Glad 2 know]

Jude‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you CONTEND earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.​

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Contend =Defend

 

[Lisa]

I commend you for defending your Faith at your age and having sufficient knowledge to take a stand <3
Your words and behavior are setting a good example even to those that are adults.
Keep it up young one.
Sorry there are adults that like to engage in negative debates just to prove someone wrong and don't mind getting mean, rude and sometimes nasty

She hasn’t defended anything though. She says her stuff and when called on it can’t defend what she says.

 

[Lisa]

Contend =Defend

Contend
verb
con·tend
\kən-ˈtend\

• intransitive verb
• 1: to strive or vie in contest or rivalry or against difficulties :struggle contended with the problems of municipalgovernment willcontend for the championship thisyear
• 2: to strive in debate: argue

 

[Lisa]

@Glad 2 know
earnest
noun
ear·nest
\ˈər-nəst\

• 1: a serious and intent mental state a proposal made in earnest
• 2: a considerable or impressive degree or amount the sap started running in earnest
• Synonyms: serious, grave, humorless, no-nonsense, po-faced

 

[Thunderian]

I have quoted scripture, actually.

To me? In response to any of my posts about the 144,000?

Where?

 

[FaithAndStrength]

I thought you said you would be sixteen in a couple of months a while back? I honestly couldn’t remember if you were 15 or 16.

Where does God say we must not debate? Doesn’t iron sharpens iron...aren't we supposed to contend earnestly for the faith? Sounds like debate is good if ya ask me.

I think you’ve run out of things to say and can’t actually debate anything.

God has said so many times we must not argue with one another nor debate. I know for a fact even if I gave you the verses, you'd flip it into something else. You've been doing that for as long as you were here. How I know? Every time I go on a thread, you're always arguing with someone, and I don't know if you have the spirit of anger in you, but that's something you need to work on. I was just about to give you how this entire thread is debating, but like I said, you'd just change it into something different so never mind.

 

[FaithAndStrength]

I commend you for defending your Faith at your age and having sufficient knowledge to take a stand <3
Your words and behavior are setting a good example even to those that are adults.
Keep it up young one.
Sorry there are adults that like to engage in negative debates just to prove someone wrong and don't mind getting mean, rude and sometimes nasty

Thank you sir or ma'am!

 

[Lisa]

God has said so many times we must not argue with one another nor debate. I know for a fact even if I gave you the verses, you'd flip it into something else. You've been doing that for as long as you were here. How I know? Every time I go on a thread, you're always arguing with someone, and I don't know if you have the spirit of anger in you, but that's something you need to work on. I was just about to give you how this entire thread is debating, but like I said, you'd just change it into something different so never mind.

What verses? It would be helpful if you gave the verses that say that.

I don’t have the spirit of anger...you don’t have to be angry to contend earnestly for the faith..ya know?

 

[FaithAndStrength]

To me? In response to any of my posts about the 144,000?

Where?

In our recent argument. All you have to do is look back, and if you don't want to, then we can conclude this. I just can't believe this whole thing even started just because someone said "If you read the Bible and repent you'll be saved" and ALL I DID was ADD ON TO IT by saying other things you need to do in order to truly be saved, and that's when this whole thing started. Just by further using Gods word. For real?

 

[FaithAndStrength]

What verses? It would be helpful if you gave the verses that say that.

I don’t have the spirit of anger...you don’t have to be angry to contend earnestly for the faith..ya know?

I'm sorry if this comes off as rude, but I really don't want to talk with you anymore specifically. Look up the verses yourself because like I said, even if I gave them, you'd change it into something else. Have the last word if you wish as well. Good day.

 

[Lisa]

I'm sorry if this comes off as rude, but I really don't want to talk with you anymore specifically. Look up the verses yourself because like I said, even if I gave them, you'd change it into something else. Have the last word if you wish as well. Good day.

I’m not gonna make your argument for you...lol
I am correct you can’t make an argument for anything you say. Just believe you or goodbye. You probably should work on that if you’re gonna be on a forum.

 

[FaithAndStrength]

I’m not gonna make your argument for you...lol
I am correct you can’t make an argument for anything you say. Just believe you or goodbye. You probably should work on that if you’re gonna be on a forum.

Don't wanna make an argument. Simply wanna spread the word of God and if people don't listen, I simply move on. I have no time for arguments.

 

[Lisa]

Don't wanna make an argument. Simply wanna spread the word of God and if people don't listen, I simply move on. I have no time for arguments.

If you have no time for arguments then maybe a forum isn’t the place for you?

 

[Thunderian]

In our recent argument. All you have to do is look back, and if you don't want to, then we can conclude this. I just can't believe this whole thing even started just because someone said "If you read the Bible and repent you'll be saved" and ALL I DID was ADD ON TO IT by saying other things you need to do in order to truly be saved, and that's when this whole thing started. Just by further using Gods word. For real?

This thread is about the 144,000 -- not salvation. The 144,000 is what I've been posting about. I did make one statement on salvation, and that was it. If you'd like my full thoughts on THAT subject, please find one of the other 10,000 threads on THAT subject that I've posted on.

On to the topic of THIS thread. You said this to me, about my posts on this thread:

By your posts, it looks like you're just saying your opinion and you actually don't know the meaning of some verses.

You haven't provided anything to back up that statement. No verses to show that I'm wrong in any of my posts, and no examples of where I have stated my own opinion without biblical support. If you can't or won't discuss this thread, or my posts on this subject, then we can leave it, but if you're going to makes charges against me, I'm going to want satisfaction. You can understand that, can't you?

 

[Douglas Summers]

I'll leave you in God's hands sir.

The Christ has already done that

 

[FaithAndStrength]

This thread is about the 144,000 -- not salvation. The 144,000 is what I've been posting about. I did make one statement on salvation, and that was it. If you'd like my full thoughts on THAT subject, please find one of the other 10,000 threads on THAT subject that I've posted on.

On to the topic of THIS thread. You said this to me, about my posts on this thread:



You haven't provided anything to back up that statement. No verses to show that I'm wrong in any of my posts, and no examples of where I have stated my own opinion without biblical support. If you can't or won't discuss this thread, or my posts on this subject, then we can leave it, but if you're going to makes charges against me, I'm going to want satisfaction. You can understand that, can't you?

Actually when I came on this thread, I was going to join in to talk about the main topic but you know what? I looked at a comment that said "Reading the Bible and repenting will get you saved" so I agreed but added on to it and then y'all started coming at me talking about "No this, no that" I just wanted to let you know that even if you do get saved, you can backslide and your name will get blotted out the Book Of Life so then I suggested you walk with God in a wise matter and then this thing happened.

Also, salvation and the 144,000 are actually similar because the 144,000 are redeemed so to be, it kind of doesn't matter. I have gave you various examples of your tone of your text and even some things you have said that defends my claim. YOU just kept saying I'm wrong about pretty much everything. So since you think I'm wrong about everything, then I'm moving on. I've done my part, it's over. Good day.

 

[FaithAndStrength]

The Christ has already done that

I meant in a way where we ALL still need to learn some things, but that's good.

 

[Thunderian]

YOU just kept saying I'm wrong about pretty much everything.

You won't find any posts of mine that keep saying that. I didn't say even once that you're wrong on pretty much anything. Why are you lying?

 

[Douglas Summers]

I meant in a way where we ALL still need to learn some things, but that's good.

My calling and election by God through the Holy Spirit is pastor / teacher. I am going on 75 and I still learn more about the Lord.....But I stand on the only foundation that you can build on, and that foundation is Jesus The Christ. 1 Cor. 3:9-23 Please read it.

 

[FaithAndStrength]

You won't find any posts of mine that keep saying that. I didn't say even once that you're wrong on pretty much anything. Why are you lying?

Now you're accusing me of lying. I'm not trying to go back to get my proof that you're most likely just going to decline anyways. You're the one that wants to know my reasoning, so why can't YOU just look back? Everything I've ever said on this thread, you claimed otherwise and to be honest I actually don't care because like I said, if someone doesn't want to know the truth, I move on. Goodbye.