The Messiah - NETFLIX

[Karlysymon]

Hey Karly not familiar with Christian eschatology
However, after the defeat of the materialist and irreligious forces prophet Jesus will restore true religion and just rule.. On a side note, as this video on the Netflix show by Suboor Ahmad highlights atheists who require empirical evidence since they do not believe in a transcendent God will be the biggest supporters of dajjal and his call will be towards materialistic beliefs. (This is a second answer to your previous question who will fall for Dajjal's lies)

I looked up what will happen and posted an article about this many years ago.
Here is the gist.
It does appear that after the hardship and conflicts and the wars Jesus peace be upon him will bring a reign of justice and defeat the materialism and naturalism that have reached their zenith under dajjal (by the will of God the Most High). In the words of muslim scholar Bediuzzaman Nursi also known as Said Nursi wrote, "Jesus

will act as a Muslim and pray behind the imam of the Muslims, and work together with the right-acting people from the Islamic world, and will assume leadership in spreading the Quran and its teachings, and remove the ongoing violence of the system of the disbelievers:
and
"As mentioned earlier, the "savior" in our time is the penetration of the Quranic values to our souls and society. Upon his second coming, Jesus

will wholeheartedly adhere to these revealed values favored by Allah and strive purely to spread them to people all over the world.

"The knowledge of unseen and future events is something only known to Allah. Yet, it is certain that those who expect this blessed period and this person must at that time undertake important obligations. Just as Jesus

will protect and guide all believers, the believers will also have to give wholehearted support to Jesus

and help him in the services he renders for the sake of Allah. "
Here is the article:
https://www.islamicity.org/5640/jesus-will-return/

Thanks. Iam shocked and amazed that Islamic eschatology is premillennialist. Not in every point and detail as what the average Evangelical believes but the basics, being(from the article);

“The "end times" refers to the period of time close to the end of the world. According to Islam, in this time, there will be the terrible trials of the Dajjal (Anti-Christ), many earthquakes and the emergence of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)…”
Even more intriguing is the fact that TPTB “love” premillennialism, maybe because it blends well with /is easy to co-opt for their religio-geo-political goals for the ME and the world at large. There is a reason it’s the only(???) timeline explored in entertainment. I mean, TBN or Sony won’t make a film on Amillenialism.
Nevertheless, iam glad you posted those verses on pg1 and that I took time out to think on them, consequently learning something new and unexpected about your faith.

highlights atheists who require empirical evidence since they do not believe in a transcendent God will be the biggest supporters of dajjal and his call will be towards materialistic beliefs.

I agree. It will be very interesting to see how atheists and agnostics react when suddenly confronted by these otherworldly entities (either real or faked by military-intelligence agencies), it is then that they will be faced with the daunting task of sorting through what’s “real-real”, “real-fake” and totally fake. (…..laughs…..).

 

[DesertRose]

I agree. It will be very interesting to see how atheists and agnostics react when suddenly confronted by these otherworldly entities (either real or faked by military-intelligence agencies), it is then that they will be faced with the daunting task of sorting through what’s “real-real”, “real-fake” and totally fake. (…..laughs…..).

Agreed.

Thanks. Iam shocked and amazed that Islamic eschatology is pre-millennialist. Not in every point and detail as what the average Evangelical believes but the basics, being(from the article);

Islamic eschatology can not be pre-millenialist because we do not believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) will reign for a thousand years nor that he will reign prior to an anguration of a new millenium. He is a Prophet peace be upon him one of the Prophets of strong will but will have a normal span of life as with all humans. We have narrations that say he will live for about 40 years after he descends and that he will have children and be buried near Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him.

“And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him [‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allaah and a human being] before his [‘Eesa (Jesus) or a Jew’s or a Christian’s] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he [‘Eesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them”

[al-Nisaa’ 4:159]

“O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, (‘Be!’ — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three (trinity)!’ Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allaah is (the only) One Ilaah (God), glory is to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is All Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs”[
al-Nisaa’ 4:171]

"Important differences between the Christian and Muslim view of Jesus’ return
One important difference between the Christian and Muslim view of Jesus’ return is of course that in the Muslim view he will return as a follower of the Prophet Muhammad and will very closely relate with the Muslims. This is by no means unreasonable. For, if the returned Jesus will be anything like the Jesus of Nazareth who came to this world two thousand years ago, then it is natural to think that he will be neither acceptable to committed Christians nor to committed Jews – Christians, because Jesus is nothing like the second person of the Christian trinity, the Son of God who comes to be crucified for the salvation of the world; and Jews, because he was not acceptable to them during his first coming and nothing suggests that he will be acceptable to them during his second coming. But someone like Jesus of Nazareth can be easily backed by the Muslims.
Another important difference between the Christian and Muslim views is that in the Muslim view Jesus’ return takes place in history as we know it, before the resurrection of the dead and the final judgment. Even in traditions in which Jesus’ return is a sign for the coming of the hour, the return does not play any role in bringing the hour nor does Jesus perform any special function in the hereafter. In the Christian tradition Jesus is presented as the eschatological “judge of the living and the dead”. But in Islam the final judge is God himself. In fact, Jesus, like other messengers (7:6), will himself be judged and questioned. The Qur`an even gives the interrogation of Jesus that will take place before God as the final judge:

And when God will say, O ‘Isa son of Maryam! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides God, he will say: Glory be to you, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, you would indeed have known it; you know what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in your mind, surely you are the great knower of the unseen things.1 did not say to them aught save what you did enjoin me with: That serve God, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when you did cause me to die, you were the watcher over them, and you are witness of all things. If you should chastise them, then surely they are your servants; and if you should forgive them, then surely you are the Mighty, the Wise. God will say: This is the day when their truth shall benefit the truthful ones; they shall have gardens beneath which rivers flow to abide in them for ever: God is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with God; this is the mighty achievement. God’s is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is in them; and he has power over all things (5:116-120).

"
source: http://islamicperspectives.com/ReturnOfJesus.htm

 

[The Zone]

Netflix is an absolute pit of anti-religious blasphemy these days. And they seem proud of it. Trying to watch one of their shows, it is impossible not to recognize social engineering or steering. The unnecessary verbiage which is all political in nature is so hyper evident that makes one's eyes roll out of their head. Odd they do not care and despite losing subscribers are not only staying the course but picking up the pace of its attempts to shape viewers' thoughts.

 

[Karlysymon]

Agreed.

Islamic eschatology can not be pre-millenialist because we do not believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) will reign for a thousand years nor that he will reign prior to an anguration of a new millenium. He is a Prophet peace be upon him one of the Prophets of strong will but will have a normal span of life as with all humans. We have narrations that say he will live for about 40 years after he descends and that he will have children and be buried near Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him.

“And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him [‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allaah and a human being] before his [‘Eesa (Jesus) or a Jew’s or a Christian’s] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he [‘Eesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them”

[al-Nisaa’ 4:159]

“O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, (‘Be!’ — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three (trinity)!’ Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allaah is (the only) One Ilaah (God), glory is to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is All Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs”[
al-Nisaa’ 4:171]

"Important differences between the Christian and Muslim view of Jesus’ return
One important difference between the Christian and Muslim view of Jesus’ return is of course that in the Muslim view he will return as a follower of the Prophet Muhammad and will very closely relate with the Muslims. This is by no means unreasonable. For, if the returned Jesus will be anything like the Jesus of Nazareth who came to this world two thousand years ago, then it is natural to think that he will be neither acceptable to committed Christians nor to committed Jews – Christians, because Jesus is nothing like the second person of the Christian trinity, the Son of God who comes to be crucified for the salvation of the world; and Jews, because he was not acceptable to them during his first coming and nothing suggests that he will be acceptable to them during his second coming. But someone like Jesus of Nazareth can be easily backed by the Muslims.
Another important difference between the Christian and Muslim views is that in the Muslim view Jesus’ return takes place in history as we know it, before the resurrection of the dead and the final judgment. Even in traditions in which Jesus’ return is a sign for the coming of the hour, the return does not play any role in bringing the hour nor does Jesus perform any special function in the hereafter. In the Christian tradition Jesus is presented as the eschatological “judge of the living and the dead”. But in Islam the final judge is God himself. In fact, Jesus, like other messengers (7:6), will himself be judged and questioned. The Qur`an even gives the interrogation of Jesus that will take place before God as the final judge:
"
source: http://islamicperspectives.com/ReturnOfJesus.htm

Thanks but I clarified in my post that you quoted that the eschatological timelines don’t mirror each other in every point and detail except the basics. To me, its premillennial in the sense that it envisions a continuation of life on earth after Jesus’ return, in some form. AMillennialism and Post millennialism aren’t defined by that because terrestrial and cosmic changes at His return wouldn’t make earth habitable for man anymore. So a continuation of life doesn’t happen here. Obviously, our bible is replete with descriptions of His person at His return. If you have those (as in how or what He’ll look like, dress/garb, entourage etc) please leave a link for me.

Nevertheless, I’m glad I learnt/learning something new about your eschatology.

 

[DesertRose]

To me, its premillennial in the sense that it envisions a continuation of life on earth after Jesus’ return, in some form.

Okay thanks for the explanation.

Nevertheless, I’m glad I learnt/learning something new about your eschatology.

Glad to know karly

 

[DesertRose]

 

[AspiringSoul]

Netflix is an absolute pit of anti-religious blasphemy these days. And they seem proud of it. Trying to watch one of their shows, it is impossible not to recognize social engineering or steering. The unnecessary verbiage which is all political in nature is so hyper evident that makes one's eyes roll out of their head. Odd they do not care and despite losing subscribers are not only staying the course but picking up the pace of its attempts to shape viewers' thoughts.

yeh like this one

 

[Karlysymon]

It seems like it’s a subject you are passionate about , so I have a surprise for you! Which was a big surprise to me aswell. I decided to find out who the creator(s) / producer(s) were and lo and behold, the executive producers are (apart from the creator)some of the biggest names in the christian faith-entertainment business. As a muslim, the names “Mark Burnett & Roma Downey” (a husband-wife duo) may not ring a bell at all but to many Christians they do. So I was shocked to find that they were behind this. I was expecting/ assumed that maybe non-religious people would be behind it, kinda like Darren Aronofsky and his film Noah.

If it were another film or series on Christian eschatology that they were producing, I wouldn’t have been surprised. So it is rather curious that, as Epistemix said, they’ve taken ‘a small shine on Islamic eschatology’.

Anyways, as i said this will give non-muslims something to think about and how to react accordingly.
In their own words, from a 2017 article:

‘Messiah’: Netflix Orders Religious Drama Series From Mark Burnett & Roma Downey

Netflix has ordered Messiah, a present-day Jesus drama series from writer Michael Petroni and producers Mark Burnett and Roma Downey.

deadline.com

“Messiah promises to be a fascinating series for viewers of every faith, and a thrilling drama filled with multi-layered characters set on a global stage,” said Cindy Holland, Vice President, Original Content for Netflix.

Said Petroni, “Messiah will have every viewer asking the question ‘is he or isn’t he?’ How you answer that question may reveal more about you than it does about the show. Messiah challenges us to examine what we believe and why.”

“Messiah is a series that will have the audience asking big questions. What if someone showed up in 2018 amid strange occurrences and was thought to be the Messiah? What would society do? How would the media cover him? Would millions simply quit work? Could government’s collapse?” said Downey and Burnett. “It’s a series that could change everything.”

This reeks predictive programming. Ofcourse we’ll think about how we will react but what if in real life one more powerful than the one depicted in the series suddenly shows up doing even more mind blowing stuff, rendering our prepped reactions as defenes useless?

Iam kinda disappointed in them (the duo. As an aside, I grew up watching her in the 90s show Touched by an Angel).

 

[DesertRose]

This reeks predictive programming. Ofcourse we’ll think about how we will react but what if in real life one more powerful than the one depicted in the series suddenly shows up doing even more mind blowing stuff, rendering our prepped reactions as defenes useless?

Iam kinda disappointed in them (the duo. As an aside, I grew up watching her in the 90s show Touched by an Angel).

This reeks predictive programming.

Agreed.
I think it depends on the prepped reactions....... thankfully we have been given certain instructions by the Prophet peace be upon him on protective verses and supplications to recite among other things once the dajjal is here.

BTW.....There is a prophecy in Islam that Dajjal will come at a time when he will not be mentioned in the pulpits
"The Messenger of Allah (S) said, "Ad-Dajjal will not appear until the people will neglect talking about him, and until the Imams will abandon talking about him on the pulpits."
Looks like this series highlights the fact that many will not recognize that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
PS I used to watch 'touched by an Angel when I was younger. Although I never took on board the premises, it was a heartwarming show.

 

[EpistemiX]

Anyone else binge watch this?

 

[Ramoncito]

They are sooooo predictible... I was waiting this kind of production from Netflix. "Let's prepare the people to the arrive of a fake mesías..." and they have another production of the Pope...to generate a bad image of the church...

 

[Ramoncito]

yeh like this one

Woww so symbolic...!!

 

[Crask]

Oh, the left is definitely blaspheming here. They're literally trying to twist Jesus Christ into their image. In other movies and TV shows, they typically didn't try to pervert the Word of God. The Last Temptation of Christ wasn't even the perverse blasphemy of the Word of God that this show is.

It was more like a silly theory. They postulated that Christ is not actually perfect and didn't die on the Cross at first. They suggested that He actually escaped the Cross, got married, had kids, and then something caused him to learned why it was best for him to actually die. (Side-note, I don't think Christ was asking the Father in the Garden of Getsemeni to spare Him from the Cross. I think He was actually asking to be spared from all of the pain He was about to go through. You see, being murdered was necessary. However, the total beat-down Christ was put through was not, not for the forgiveness of our sins. The Jews were never instructed by God to beat their animals to near death before putting them to death for the forgiveness of their sins. No, they just quickly put them to death, prepared them as God instructed, and fed the Priests or those in need, etc. The Father allowed Satan to put Christ through that for another reason. Personally, I think it was to make Christ an example like Job of a man who Satan could almost just have his way with, yet remain faithful in spite of it all. Remember, it was God that pointed out Job to Satan, not the other way around.) Anyway, the non-blasphemous movies and television of Hollywood's past favored their precious creative writing over that of the Word of God, but they did not intentionally try to pervert it. They just added stuff and neglected to put other stuff to favor their "creative license."

Here, in this show, they're creating a blasphemy that pretends to be Christ, but defies His Word and tries to rewrite the Word of God. In short, they're creating the antiChrist. They think they're creating a show about Jesus Christ coming again, but what they're actually doing, and perhaps this is actually real Jesus Christ manipulating them into this, is demonstrating a real-world perfectly feasible example of how the antiChrist comes and inevitably convinces the vast majority of the world to embrace himself as Jesus Christ. It's pretty feasible isn't it? Couldn't you imagine that this is actually how it happens? I mean what Christian looking at Islam today doesn't suspect that the antiChrist individual won't come right out from them and talk very much like this guy does? I mean, what is a little horn that grows and displaces three other horns? Can it not easily be a nobody that suddenly comes to international recognition whose popularity then power grows to the point that he displaces three other world powers and becomes the dominant power over the world?

It can't be exactly like that of course because the Bible tells us that the people of the world will be saying "peace, peace," and be rather not expecting someone like the antiChrist to be taking power soon. This show is created in the world climate we currently live in, so you know none of them are saying and expecting "peace, peace." Also, I think the 666 indicates that it he might actually be a Jew right out of Israel, not non-Jew from the Middle East. Or perhaps it could also be a non-Jew that happens to live in Israel. There's quite a few of them. Now, that Jew may be Muslim, after all, some actual Jews are actually Muslim, crazy enough. Oh, and why do I speculate the antiChrist might be a Jew, or at least from Israel? It's because 666 is mentioned three times in the Bible, and the other two times, it references Israel alone, not even their merchant activities, nor anything contributed by nations outside of Israel too Israel.

They should have named the show, "Messiah, Angel of Light," but perhaps that would be too obvious because at the time of the antiChrist, even the very elect will be deceived if it is possible. So, to even name it that would not be as perfect a representation of the antiChrist. Messiah is the perfect name for the left in this day and time to name a show of theirs whose main character is a christ-figure who defies and perverts the Word of God . . . naturally telling the leftists that couldn't care less about the truth of the Bible that they who have no idea what the Word of God says are actually right and we who actually believe what the Bible says are wrong and on our way to hell. This is why the left sells out so easily to dictatorial regimes and radical Islam, because they're insanely arrogant people who believe they sit in moral superiority.

 

[Crask]

Netflix is an entertainment business, and has no foot in the political spheres of influence, so I'm not so sure about it being pseudo labelled as conspiratorial. I mean, Ashley (Muslim Belal) Chin's movie releases next year on Netflix and is pro-Islam. That would counter the conspiracy narrative no?

Right, because their constant stream of leftist garbage is so apolitical, right? It's hard to show some people reality because no matter what they can see for themselves or what you tell them, if they have too, they will invent a reason out of nothing to convince themselves that they are still correct. It comes from arrogance, and the Democrats know that. That's why everything that defends Democrats and smears Republicans and hates Trump with a passion, all of their shows spend the entire time stroking the ego of those who believe whatever they say.

 

[Lisa]

The Last Temptation of Christ wasn't even the perverse blasphemy of the Word of God that this show is.

That was bad...it was about a boy and his mommy.

And what annoyed me the most was that the evangelicals were trying to say it was a good film when it was obviously a catholic telling.

I generally avoid all movies where Hollywood tells us what Jesus was like...they don’t know.

 

[Dalit]

Oh, the left is definitely blaspheming here. They're literally trying to twist Jesus Christ into their image. In other movies and TV shows, they typically didn't try to pervert the Word of God. The Last Temptation of Christ wasn't even the perverse blasphemy of the Word of God that this show is.

It was more like a silly theory. They postulated that Christ is not actually perfect and didn't die on the Cross at first. They suggested that He actually escaped the Cross, got married, had kids, and then something caused him to learned why it was best for him to actually die. (Side-note, I don't think Christ was asking the Father in the Garden of Getsemeni to spare Him from the Cross. I think He was actually asking to be spared from all of the pain He was about to go through. You see, being murdered was necessary. However, the total beat-down Christ was put through was not, not for the forgiveness of our sins. The Jews were never instructed by God to beat their animals to near death before putting them to death for the forgiveness of their sins. No, they just quickly put them to death, prepared them as God instructed, and fed the Priests or those in need, etc. The Father allowed Satan to put Christ through that for another reason. Personally, I think it was to make Christ an example like Job of a man who Satan could almost just have his way with, yet remain faithful in spite of it all. Remember, it was God that pointed out Job to Satan, not the other way around.) Anyway, the non-blasphemous movies and television of Hollywood's past favored their precious creative writing over that of the Word of God, but they did not intentionally try to pervert it. They just added stuff and neglected to put other stuff to favor their "creative license."

Here, in this show, they're creating a blasphemy that pretends to be Christ, but defies His Word and tries to rewrite the Word of God. In short, they're creating the antiChrist. They think they're creating a show about Jesus Christ coming again, but what they're actually doing, and perhaps this is actually real Jesus Christ manipulating them into this, is demonstrating a real-world perfectly feasible example of how the antiChrist comes and inevitably convinces the vast majority of the world to embrace himself as Jesus Christ. It's pretty feasible isn't it? Couldn't you imagine that this is actually how it happens? I mean what Christian looking at Islam today doesn't suspect that the antiChrist individual won't come right out from them and talk very much like this guy does? I mean, what is a little horn that grows and displaces three other horns? Can it not easily be a nobody that suddenly comes to international recognition whose popularity then power grows to the point that he displaces three other world powers and becomes the dominant power over the world?

It can't be exactly like that of course because the Bible tells us that the people of the world will be saying "peace, peace," and be rather not expecting someone like the antiChrist to be taking power soon. This show is created in the world climate we currently live in, so you know none of them are saying and expecting "peace, peace." Also, I think the 666 indicates that it he might actually be a Jew right out of Israel, not non-Jew from the Middle East. Or perhaps it could also be a non-Jew that happens to live in Israel. There's quite a few of them. Now, that Jew may be Muslim, after all, some actual Jews are actually Muslim, crazy enough. Oh, and why do I speculate the antiChrist might be a Jew, or at least from Israel? It's because 666 is mentioned three times in the Bible, and the other two times, it references Israel alone, not even their merchant activities, nor anything contributed by nations outside of Israel too Israel.

They should have named the show, "Messiah, Angel of Light," but perhaps that would be too obvious because at the time of the antiChrist, even the very elect will be deceived if it is possible. So, to even name it that would not be as perfect a representation of the antiChrist. Messiah is the perfect name for the left in this day and time to name a show of theirs whose main character is a christ-figure who defies and perverts the Word of God . . . naturally telling the leftists that couldn't care less about the truth of the Bible that they who have no idea what the Word of God says are actually right and we who actually believe what the Bible says are wrong and on our way to hell. This is why the left sells out so easily to dictatorial regimes and radical Islam, because they're insanely arrogant people who believe they sit in moral superiority.

Now I will watch more of the show. Was wondering where they were going with it.

Truly a sick sad world.

 

[free2018]

Whoa!! I'm looking forward to watching this perversion!!

Convert you? or Con You?

Or just - Entertain - You?

None of the above like the next US election.
No, I just deleted my Netflix. They promote too much degeneracy.
I guess I will just have to create my own content-- slowly.

 

[Crask]

Now I will watch more of the show. Was wondering where they were going with it.

Truly a sick sad world.

It's actually kind of slow to be honest. I did finish watching it though . . . and that's why, because I wanted to see the left's take on Christ as a representation of a feasible theory as to how the antiChrist could come to power.

I literally watched the whole thing as though the man playing Jesus was the antiChrist. After all, the deception is going to be pretty good if even the very elect would be deceived. So, you know that means that he's going to seem like he's the real deal. I mean, this guy is obviously not, but then the writing staff don't have access to that powerful delusion that's going to be sent either.

Oh, and I changed this message from the first one I wrote. My first impression is that you were being sarcastic. I don't know why. I think it's force of habit. But as I thought about it, I realized you probably weren't, so that changed what I wanted to respond back with.

 

[Crask]

None of the above like the next US election.
No, I just deleted my Netflix. They promote too much degeneracy.
I guess I will just have to create my own content-- slowly.

Just look for independent news sources like Info Wars. They'll give you both a greater value of entertainment as well as the truth.

 

[Crask]

That was bad...it was about a boy and his mommy.

And what annoyed me the most was that the evangelicals were trying to say it was a good film when it was obviously a catholic telling.

I generally avoid all movies where Hollywood tells us what Jesus was like...they don’t know.

I didn't get the impression that it was a Catholic telling. I got the impression that it was made by people who don't really believe in Christ or probably God at all, but they actually wanted to make money on the film, so they tried to avoid offending Christians by the end of it.