BTS discussion thread

[softpower]

But that pity is tempered by anger that they are taking others down that path with them. I don't think you can separate out the pity from the anger, though. It is a mixture of both.

To be perfectly honest, I was never actually angry at them. Disappointed, yes but never angry. I just thought they deserved better concepts cause they had the potential to do it, talents, aesthetics, authenticity. Its such a shame they were wasted like that.

Seemed too good to be true since the beginning, but I guess they raised my standards high concerning music and they were different from those cheesy ass 1D songs. I am a sucker for deep meaning songs, illuminati or not. Thats why I followed them. I had my doubts since HYYH about something else going on behind scenes, but then BS&T confirmed it.

Nonetheless, I have still followed them because their story is actually interesting and quite captivating to study. They are their own universe and I only follow their mvs or things related to their work. I barely watch fan content though, like...I couldn't care less what you had for dinner or what songs you listen to. I can't bother to waste my time on a boring 1 hour vlive. That's dumb. I like artists for their work and their looks, not for their personal lives.

Anyways, I thought mainstream music had a chance to be saved cause they are really sensational in their own genre, but their art was way too deep to be understood by the masses. So...dumb it down and to the hell we go, I guess ?

 

[softpower]

if not a troll then a 12 year old kid

1 : BTS are the most handsome men in kpop (I have to laugh)
2: No more dream was a masterpiece
3: Halsey and all those western artists needs BTS to be relevant
4: Blackpink are bitcthes that used Dua Lupa (lol this one gave it away)

the funny thing is they come to this thread saying we are all fangirls talking about ships.....welll excuse us....talking about them being "fine af" is a lot more interesting

Lol, talking about ships is different from stating that someone is handsome. You are just jealous your oppas will never love their fans. At least I am honest about what I like, I have never denied their looks, but that is just my preference, you may have other preferences. That is ok. Just be who you are.

Just because I know they are sold out, doesnt mean that will change my sexual attraction towards them. It doesnt work that way, you cant change that, but you can be aware that their looks are really different from their personalities.
Seems some of you just have a hard time discerning between that and being comfortable with your own sexuality. I like their looks and their work, but I also know they aren't good people. You have a problem cause you are hypocritical and cant accept the fact they live double lives. I dont, I just roll with it, cause thats how all Holloywood is build of. Its not sth new.

Also, that one with blackpink is not a lie though, none of my friends knew them before her, now they are fans. They also went to Coachella for them. Cant deny her impact.

P.S. you really think a 12 year old would actually read Demian and Omelas just to analyse their mvs, seriously....I am a full grown 20yo girl with loans to pay and books to indulge in.

 

[cadiz]

Lol, talking about ships is different from stating that someone is handsome. You are just jealous your oppas will never love their fans. At least I am honest about what I like, I have never denied their looks, but that is just my preference, you may have other preferences. That is ok. Just be who you are.

Just because I know they are sold out, doesnt mean that will change my sexual attraction towards them. It doesnt work that way, you cant change that, but you can be aware that their looks are really different from their personalities.
Seems some of you just have a hard time discerning between that and being comfortable with your own sexuality. I like their looks and their work, but I also know they aren't good people. You have a problem cause you are hypocritical and cant accept the fact they live double lives. I dont, I just roll with it, cause thats how all Holloywood is build of. Its not sth new.

Also, that one with blackpink is not a lie though, none of my friends knew them before her, now they are fans. They also went to Coachella for them. Cant deny her impact.

You are just jealous your oppas will never love their fans
Seems some of you just have a hard time discerning between that and being comfortable with your own sexuality.

lmao so amusing, and it gets better

I thought mainstream music had a chance to be saved cause they are really sensational in their own genre, but their art was way too deep to be understood by the masses

saved my morning.....thanks for your imput

 

[Deadlylady]

Speaking of dreams..
J1min wants to be in your dream tonight

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1139926520041005057

That's his ego talking there. He is fooled by the crowds cheering like he is somekind of superhero. Him looking back at himself all alone in his hotels room or back home in their dormatory kindda house which is a secluded and sheltered life, the only thing that makes him happy is this I bet. The notion that he is idolized and loved by many.

 

[mean]

Lol, talking about ships is different from stating that someone is handsome. You are just jealous your oppas will never love their fans. At least I am honest about what I like, I have never denied their looks, but that is just my preference, you may have other preferences. That is ok. Just be who you are.

Just because I know they are sold out, doesnt mean that will change my sexual attraction towards them. It doesnt work that way, you cant change that, but you can be aware that their looks are really different from their personalities.
Seems some of you just have a hard time discerning between that and being comfortable with your own sexuality. I like their looks and their work, but I also know they aren't good people. You have a problem cause you are hypocritical and cant accept the fact they live double lives. I dont, I just roll with it, cause thats how all Holloywood is build of. Its not sth new.

Also, that one with blackpink is not a lie though, none of my friends knew them before her, now they are fans. They also went to Coachella for them. Cant deny her impact.

P.S. you really think a 12 year old would actually read Demian and Omelas just to analyse their mvs, seriously....I am a full grown 20yo girl with loans to pay and books to indulge in.

Sexual attraction??
Lmao, you are not totally straight if you like manifactured effiminate boys, it's not normal to feel attracted to them if you are a straight girl, i don't think any of us feel sexual attraction toward them. I would actually understand if you were 12-14 bc young girls like feminine boys but you say you are a grown women in her 20.
I used to think their are pretty but just like art, never felt attraction sorry

 

[softpower]

That's his ego talking there. He is fooled by the crowds cheering like he is somekind of superhero. Him looking back at himself all alone in his hotels room or back home in their dormatory kindda house which is a secluded and sheltered life, the only thing that makes him happy is this I bet. The notion that he is idolized and loved by many.

Finally someone who gets it. He is drunk on the fame. Cant deny the looks, he is pretty handsome, many would love to hit, but dream of me ? Dude, thats too far...
I guess the fact that many armys have said that they dream of the members must have driven them insane. Just imagine being that powerful that people have sexual dreams about you. Many people would kill for that, so him saying that is just a reflection of his superficiality and the desire to be desired. Typical of many males, making as much females as possible wet.

** "cause if he handsome, throw my pants in the air" intenstifies lmao **

 

[softpower]

Sexual attraction??
Lmao, you are not totally straight if you like manifactured effiminate boys, it's not normal to feel attracted to them if you are a straight girl, i don't think any of us feel sexual attraction toward them. I would actually understand if you were 12-14 bc young girls like feminine boys but you say you are a grown women in her 20.
I used to think their are pretty but just like art, never felt attraction sorry

Well that is purely personal preference, I was never attracted to men with beards or macho tye of stuff, idk why. I think its all about chemistry. But to say that they are not handsome like someone else did here is straight up a lie.

They would never have as much fans as they have now if they didnt like the looks, hence you would be surprised how many people love effeminate boys.
I guess anime plays a great role, if you like anime guys, you would probably love kpop too. Its like a given...I think its more of an asian thing, since most asian men have softer looks than westerners.

Anyways, its pure preference, but the attraction is real and its scary sometimes for me too. But I cant help it, I cant change the hormones.

P.S. I am as straight as a ruler, I am truly sure I dont like women.

 

[mean]

Well that is purely personal preference, I was never attracted to men with beards or macho tye of stuff, idk why. I think its all about chemistry. But to say that they are not handsome like someone else did here is straight up a lie.

They would never have as much fans as they have now if they didnt like the looks, hence you would be surprised how many people love effeminate boys.
I guess anime plays a great role, if you like anime guys, you would probably love kpop too. Its like a given...I think its more of an asian thing, since most asian men have softer looks than westerners.

Anyways, its pure preference, but the attraction is real and its scary sometimes for me too. But I cant help it, I cant change the hormones.

P.S. I am as straight as a ruler, I am truly sure I dont like women.

Younger girl like girly men and it's okay. I can understand not liking macho men, you can like normal man without beard. I don't see why you equal this to feminine. Bts on other hands, wear exagerated makeup, jewelry, earrings, lips fillers= woman. Bts aren't like basic asian man in any way, you can really compare being attracted to asian normal guys and bts. It's not just about features but also bc of their look.
And many bts fans are lgbt so i can understand why they got popular in general,
This is the first time i see a "straight" girl saying she is sexually attracted to them.
Maybe it's time to question sexuality
Also if you want ot describe their look, the best world would be pretty, but handsome? lol that made me laugh

 

[Brea]

Go praying before sleeping, buddy.

Yeah thanks, but what if God wanted me to have that vision? He knows I'm having trouble dealing with avoiding them, so maybe that's it? Unless it's from the devil. God said when you have visions or dreams, test the spirits to see if it's from God or the devil, you know because he's a deceiver. Thanks for your response!

 

[Brea]

Honestly, I think it is just human nature to feel pity and to hope that people will change for the better. I mean, their lives aren't even that great. Everyone assumes that money and fame would be utopia, but it isn't. That's why you see so many celebs turning to alcohol and drugs and sex to numb themselves and escape reality. Most average people have happier lives than celebrities, honestly. So, I do feel sympathy for them as human beings because they made a very bad deal. They traded eternal life for fame and money (but not real love or happiness -- that isn't part of the deal).

I think feeling sympathy for them just means that you haven't reached that level of cynicism where you see someone as beyond all point of redemption. I think they could redeem themselves if they ever publicly came out and told the truth about the industry and apologized for pushing agendas in exchange for fame. Do I think that is likely to happen? No. But, I still hope -- for their sake and the sake of the fans who blindly follow them -- that it will happen. And I will always pity those who will spend eternity separated from God. This brief speck of time we call life is not worth an eternity of suffering -- even if you get to live like a king. But that pity is tempered by anger that they are taking others down that path with them. I don't think you can separate out the pity from the anger, though. It is a mixture of both.

I agree

 

[Brea]

I get where you are coming from, its hard for most people not to be empathetic. I guess I am really a cynic person, but that is just because I think that they enjoy what they do, so there's that.

They are totally okay with being MKed as showed in IDOL, totally okay with skinship and gay ships (though they have reduced that in the last days), totally okay hanging out with celebs who are well known to be illuminati, totally okay to pose like children and attract pedophiles, totally okay with acting like dumb blondes, totally okay acting submissive.

Now...ofc the company has to do a lot with it, but the company can only go this far. They started off pretty nicely with the rebel concept, and to this day, that is still my all-time favorite. Whats there not to like about No More Dream though ? Fierce, full of youth, original and most importantly RAW.

You cant see that now, and that is because they chose not to stay original, but to be slaves of the industry. Sometimes I think they were actually sold out way before their debut and the tough boy era was just a facade, but that is just a theory.

Anyways, they wanted more fame, hence they changed the concept, but that is not something I should feel sorry for. Its the path they chose and no one forced them to do it. I mean...look at Stray Kids, a tough rebel boy concept and still slaying it. They could have been that. But they chose not to.

Have you heard any of the songs in Map of the Soul Persona ? None, and I mean none of the songs is actually worth listening to. Its just repetitive, watered-down cheesy pop. I could write better lyrics than that. The whole thing was so rushed and so incomplete, it just feels empty and lazy. But that is what they chose. They might as well have gone with the wholesome concepts like Fake Love or BS&T, but I feel like they were tired of working that hard for nothing. Armys wouldn't catch the meaning anyways. Hence the most generic mv and melody ever : Boy With Luv. Tada !

As much as we hate to admit it, they will never get back to their old eras. Their sound will keep getting worse each comeback (if they manage to have any) and that's it. There will still be listeners that like the genre, but that is not the case. That is their problem not ours, we need to face the reality that they are changing lanes cause they want to, not cause they are forced to.

Honestly, you would make a good parent. You seem so serious and strict in a good way XD

 

[softpower]

Younger girl like girly men and it's okay. I can understand not liking macho men, you can like normal man without beard. I don't see why you equal this to feminine. Bts on other hands, wear exagerated makeup, jewelry, earrings, lips fillers= woman. Bts aren't like basic asian man in any way, you can really compare being attracted to asian normal guys and bts. It's not just about features but also bc of their look.
And many bts fans are lgbt so i can understand why they got popular in general,
This is the first time i see a "straight" girl saying she is sexually attracted to them.
Maybe it's time to question sexuality
Also if you want ot describe their look, the best world would be pretty, but handsome? lol that made me laugh

I couldnt care less about other fans being lbgt, that doesnt make me one. 1D had many gay men drooling over them, but that didn't make any girl lesbian, as far as I am concerned.
Why is there such a big deal to like men who wear makeup ? I don't think earrings have made any man gay, or a bearded gay man less gay. It doesnt mean anything.

In fact why is such a big deal being gay ? Its just part of life. Homosexuality is real, born and bred in all types of species, animal and human alike.

I dont mind bts being gay themselves, in fact I couldn't care less about their sexuality. I dislike ships, cause that is like really harmful for the image and weird for the members. They can be straight, gay, bi, whatever its their life and their problem.

That doesnt mean we should call them pretty cause they look gay. In the end of the day, they are physically men, and the adjective used to describe men is handsome, gay or not.

Just say you are homophobic and go, dont derail this thread further...

 

[Brea]

Speaking of dreams..
J1min wants to be in your dream tonight

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1139926520041005057

Well he did appear! CONGRATS BUDDY!! BUT NEXT TIME I SUGGEST NOT APPEARING IN MY NIGHTMARE OF A VISION UNLESS YOU WANT TO SHAKE AND QUIVER BY THE HOLY GHOST! Oh boy, if only I could actually tell him this.

 

[softpower]

Honestly, you would make a good parent. You seem so serious and strict in a good way XD

Is this sarcasm or should I really be concerned ?

 

[Brea]

I was right after all you are an Army troll. The way you write things it is obvious you are a die hard fan trolling this thread.

Wait wait wait hold on. I didn't even SEE THEIR POST!! So they're basically saying they're woke of what they're doing yet they would still have no problem having sex with him?? That's freaking weird because they've been serious the whole time and then they wanna be like "Eh, I would still smash him tho" Maybe I should start being more aware because that don't even sound right.

 

[Brea]

Is this sarcasm or should I really be concerned ?

No it's not sarcasm, you're actually really funny and strict about this topic. Though there was one post that had me feel a little suspicious about you... but hey, I don't know for sure. I won't jump to any conclusions..

 

[softpower]

Well he did appear! CONGRATS BUDDY!! BUT NEXT TIME I SUGGEST NOT APPEARING IN MY NIGHTMARE OF A VISION UNLESS YOU WANT TO SHAKE AND QUIVER BY THE HOLY GHOST! Oh boy, if only I could actually tell him this.

I think bighit actually lurks in here. A much crazier voice in my head tells me that they may actually be behind this thread's existence. All of old members are gone, and that is pretty suspicious to me.

 

[Brea]

Lol, talking about ships is different from stating that someone is handsome. You are just jealous your oppas will never love their fans. At least I am honest about what I like, I have never denied their looks, but that is just my preference, you may have other preferences. That is ok. Just be who you are.

Just because I know they are sold out, doesnt mean that will change my sexual attraction towards them. It doesnt work that way, you cant change that, but you can be aware that their looks are really different from their personalities.
Seems some of you just have a hard time discerning between that and being comfortable with your own sexuality. I like their looks and their work, but I also know they aren't good people. You have a problem cause you are hypocritical and cant accept the fact they live double lives. I dont, I just roll with it, cause thats how all Holloywood is build of. Its not sth new.

Also, that one with blackpink is not a lie though, none of my friends knew them before her, now they are fans. They also went to Coachella for them. Cant deny her impact.

P.S. you really think a 12 year old would actually read Demian and Omelas just to analyse their mvs, seriously....I am a full grown 20yo girl with loans to pay and books to indulge in.

Wait hold on. You have SEXUAL attraction towards them?? You don't have to answer the following question if it's personal, but how do you deal with this?

 

[Brea]

I think bighit actually lurks in here. A much crazier voice in my head tells me that they may actually be behind this thread's existence. All of old members are gone, and that is pretty suspicious to me.

I mean they're gone because they've said what they needed to and now it was time for them to move on. Only a few of them remain here to continue discussing about this topic. Me? I don't know, as long as I find something important to discuss with you all about bts or some vision I had of them I'll stay on here.

 

[softpower]

Wait hold on. You have SEXUAL attraction towards them?? You don't have to answer the following question if it's personal, but how do you deal with this?

Yeah, and its pretty strong at times though. Like, (I am sorry I am derailing the thread with this) but sexual attraction is what drew me into the fandom first. I stayed for the work, but the looks were the first impression, and trust me, its not even funny. Ofc with time I actually realised that they werent anything what they look like, but I cant help it. You cant change the attraction you have towards someone even if you wanted to. I dont have dreams about them though, I have basic sexual fantasies when I see them.
How do I deal with it ? I dont, I just let fantasies fade away on their own.