How to identify a false Christ, Teacher, Prophet

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Authentic or Counterfeit?
How would you recognize counterfeit Christianity?
In 2 Peter 1 we read about genuine believers. And in 2 Peter 2 we read about counterfeit believers. If you put these chapters side by side you will see the difference between authentic and counterfeit believers.
1. Different SourceWhere does the message come from?
Peter says, “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:16). And then he says the false teachers exploit you “with stories they have made up” (2:3). So the true teacher sources what he says from the Bible. The false teacher relies on his own creativity. He makes up his own message.
2. Different MessageWhat is the substance of the message?
For the true teacher, Jesus Christ is central. “We have everything we need for life and godliness in Him” (1:3). For the false teacher, Jesus is at the margins: “They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them” (2:1).
Notice the word secretly. It’s rare for someone in church to openly deny Jesus. Movement away from the centrality of Christ is subtle. The false teacher will speak about how other people can help change your life, but if you listen carefully to what he is saying, you will see that Jesus Christ is not essential to his message.
3. Different PositionIn what position will the message leave you?
The true Christian “escapes the corruption in the world caused by evil desires” (1:4). Listen to how Peter describes the counterfeit Christian: “They promise . . . freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity, for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him” (2:19). The true believer is escaping corruption, while the counterfeit believer is mastered by it.
4. Different CharacterWhat kind of people does the message produce?
The true believer pursues goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brother kindness, and love (1:5). The counterfeit Christian is marked by arrogance and slander (2:10). They are “experts in greed” and “their eyes are full of adultery” (2:14). They also “despise authority” (2:10). This is a general characteristic of a counterfeit believer.
5. Different AppealWhy should you listen to the message?
The true teacher appeals to Scripture. “We have the word of the prophets made more certain and you will do well to pay attention to it” (1:19). God has spoken, and the true teacher appeals to his Word. The false teacher makes a rather different appeal: “By appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error” (2:18). So the true teacher asks, “What has God said in his Word?” The false teacher asks, “What do people want to hear? What will appeal to their flesh?”
6. Different FruitWhat result does the message have in people’s lives?
The true believer is effective and productive in his or her knowledge of Jesus Christ (1:8). The counterfeit is “like a spring without water” (2:17). This is an extraordinary picture! They promise much but produce little.
7. Different EndWhere does the message ultimately lead you?
Here we find the most disturbing contrast of all. The true believer will receive “a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:11). The false believer will experience “swift destruction” (2:1). “Their condemnation has long been hanging over them and their destruction has not been sleeping” (2:3).
Jesus tells us that there will be many who have been involved in ministry in his name, to whom he will say, “Depart from me; I never knew you” (Matthew 7:21). Who are these people? Surely Peter is describing them in this passage.

Don’t Be Naïve
We must not be ignorant: “There will be false teachers among you” (2:1). So how do we apply this warning?
First, Peter’s plain statement reminds us that the church needs to be protected. Among the many wonderful people who come to through the doors of the church each year, some would do more harm than good.
They may seem the nicest of people, but they do not believe in the authority of the Bible or the exclusivity of salvation in Christ. We welcome such people, because they need Christ as much as we do, but we must not allow them to have influence in the church.
Second, skeptics will always be able to point to hypocrisy and inconsistency in the church. They’ve always done it, and they always will. One of the strangest reasons for not following Christ goes like this: “I’ve seen people in the church who are hypocrites.” So you will not follow Christ because some people who claim to do so are hypocrites?
The existence of the counterfeit is never a good reason for rejecting the genuine. Peter essentially tells us, “Of course there are counterfeit Christians. Of course there are teachers who do the church more harm than good. What else would you expect in this fallen world? Grow up! Don’t be naïve! Don’t miss what’s real simply because you have seen the counterfeit.”
Point to 2 Peter 2:1 the next time you meet someone hiding behind this excuse.

Article at this Link

Heptadic structure
I think one of the most important points of this article is about the Different source. Many false teachers loves to create their own source material from where they teach their own version of the Gospel. Now I have posted up a video time and time again about this that dispels any and all doubt that God's Word is truth, authentic and unchanged. God's word needs NO correction or extra frilly's to complete the text. It is divine as it is. But of course when you post up a video, people don't watch it - so here it is from timestamp 2:01:12

There is a Hidden Security Mechanism in the Bible to assure authenticity it is called the Heptadic structure, how it works is as follows. (There are 75 of these rules in total)
As a example the last 12 verses of Mark:
1 - The words used is 175 (7x25)
2 - Letters 553 (7x79)
3 - Vowels 294 (7x42)
4 - Consonants 259 (7x37)
5 - Total Vocabulary 98 (7x14)
6 - Words found before in Mark 84 (7x12)
7 - Only found in the last 12 verses 14 (7x2)
8 - Words used in the Lord's address 42 (7x6)
9 - Total Gematrical Value is 106663 (7x14,809) Greek has a numerical value attached to each of it's letters and this is the total if you add them up

If you would want to write a draft of text with these 9 rules of multiple's of sevens in them and you work for 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week and 50 weeks per year, you need to to a draft every 10 minutes because you will need 40,353,607 drafts to succeed it will take you 3362 years to complete the draft. Now it gets worse, there are 75 rules of multiple's of sevens in this text alone, you do the math of the chances of that occurring by accident:
Multiples of seven 01.PNG
Multiples of seven 02.PNG
Lets just take half of these rules and see what are the chances of this occurring by accident (watch the video from the timestamp I have given to get the full picture)
In short if you want to replicate this text with only 34 rules with these multiple's of seven it will take 1000 000 Super Computers at 400 million tries per second 4,300,000 years - and this is just in Mark. It becomes absurd to think that this is by accident or that someone can tamper with the text because guess what, if you tamper with the text then you loose this Heptadic structure!
This occurs in Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, Peter, James, Jude and Paul's books...

Even these people vocabularies fits into this rule, all of these guys has a unique vocabulary only used by them, and those words you can also divide by seven and add up their numerical value and also divide that exactly by seven.

For those who throw out the New testament or the old and want to add or take away from the whole book of the Bible there are these rules of multiple's of seven that only work with the old and new testaments combined!!!! More than 75 of these rules - so guess what, take away the book of Paul you break the structure, add any text you break the structure, these rules only apply if you take the whole Bible unaltered. Watch the whole Video for even more amazing encryptions woven into the Bible or just from timestamp 2:01:12 to understand the Heptadic structure and realize that God's Word is perfect as it is and need not be altered nor has it been.

To end off:
Psalm 12
6 The words and promises of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times over.
7 You will keep them and preserve them, O Lord; You will guard and keep us from this [evil] generation forever.

 
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Authentic or Counterfeit?
How would you recognize counterfeit Christianity?
In 2 Peter 1 we read about genuine believers. And in 2 Peter 2 we read about counterfeit believers. If you put these chapters side by side you will see the difference between authentic and counterfeit believers.
1. Different SourceWhere does the message come from?
Peter says, “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:16). And then he says the false teachers exploit you “with stories they have made up” (2:3). So the true teacher sources what he says from the Bible. The false teacher relies on his own creativity. He makes up his own message.
2. Different MessageWhat is the substance of the message?
For the true teacher, Jesus Christ is central. “We have everything we need for life and godliness in Him” (1:3). For the false teacher, Jesus is at the margins: “They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them” (2:1).
Notice the word secretly. It’s rare for someone in church to openly deny Jesus. Movement away from the centrality of Christ is subtle. The false teacher will speak about how other people can help change your life, but if you listen carefully to what he is saying, you will see that Jesus Christ is not essential to his message.
3. Different PositionIn what position will the message leave you?
The true Christian “escapes the corruption in the world caused by evil desires” (1:4). Listen to how Peter describes the counterfeit Christian: “They promise . . . freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity, for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him” (2:19). The true believer is escaping corruption, while the counterfeit believer is mastered by it.
4. Different CharacterWhat kind of people does the message produce?
The true believer pursues goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brother kindness, and love (1:5). The counterfeit Christian is marked by arrogance and slander (2:10). They are “experts in greed” and “their eyes are full of adultery” (2:14). They also “despise authority” (2:10). This is a general characteristic of a counterfeit believer.
5. Different AppealWhy should you listen to the message?
The true teacher appeals to Scripture. “We have the word of the prophets made more certain and you will do well to pay attention to it” (1:19). God has spoken, and the true teacher appeals to his Word. The false teacher makes a rather different appeal: “By appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error” (2:18). So the true teacher asks, “What has God said in his Word?” The false teacher asks, “What do people want to hear? What will appeal to their flesh?”
6. Different FruitWhat result does the message have in people’s lives?
The true believer is effective and productive in his or her knowledge of Jesus Christ (1:8). The counterfeit is “like a spring without water” (2:17). This is an extraordinary picture! They promise much but produce little.
7. Different EndWhere does the message ultimately lead you?
Here we find the most disturbing contrast of all. The true believer will receive “a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:11). The false believer will experience “swift destruction” (2:1). “Their condemnation has long been hanging over them and their destruction has not been sleeping” (2:3).
Jesus tells us that there will be many who have been involved in ministry in his name, to whom he will say, “Depart from me; I never knew you” (Matthew 7:21). Who are these people? Surely Peter is describing them in this passage.

Don’t Be Naïve
We must not be ignorant: “There will be false teachers among you” (2:1). So how do we apply this warning?
First, Peter’s plain statement reminds us that the church needs to be protected. Among the many wonderful people who come to through the doors of the church each year, some would do more harm than good.
They may seem the nicest of people, but they do not believe in the authority of the Bible or the exclusivity of salvation in Christ. We welcome such people, because they need Christ as much as we do, but we must not allow them to have influence in the church.
Second, skeptics will always be able to point to hypocrisy and inconsistency in the church. They’ve always done it, and they always will. One of the strangest reasons for not following Christ goes like this: “I’ve seen people in the church who are hypocrites.” So you will not follow Christ because some people who claim to do so are hypocrites?
The existence of the counterfeit is never a good reason for rejecting the genuine. Peter essentially tells us, “Of course there are counterfeit Christians. Of course there are teachers who do the church more harm than good. What else would you expect in this fallen world? Grow up! Don’t be naïve! Don’t miss what’s real simply because you have seen the counterfeit.”
Point to 2 Peter 2:1 the next time you meet someone hiding behind this excuse.

Article at this Link

Heptadic structure
I think one of the most important points of this article is about the Different source. Many false teachers loves to create their own source material from where they teach their own version of the Gospel. Now I have posted up a video time and time again about this that dispels any and all doubt that God's Word is truth, authentic and unchanged. God's word needs NO correction or extra frilly's to complete the text. It is divine as it is. But of course when you post up a video, people don't watch it - so here it is from timestamp 2:01:12

There is a Hidden Security Mechanism in the Bible to assure authenticity it is called the Heptadic structure, how it works is as follows.
As a example the last 12 verses of Mark:
1 - The words used is 175 (7x25)
2 - Letters 553 (7x79)
3 - Vowels 294 (7x42)
4 - Consonants 259 (7x37)
5 - Total Vocabulary 98 (7x14)
6 - Words found before in Mark 84 (7x12)
7 - Only found in the last 12 verses 14 (7x2)
8 - Words used in the Lord's address 42 (7x6)
9 - Total Gematrical Value is 106663 (7x14,809) Greek has a numerical value attached to each of it's letters and this is the total if you add them up

If you would want to write a draft of text with these 9 rules of multiple's of sevens in them and you work for 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week and 50 weeks per year, you need to to a draft every 10 minutes because you will need 40,353,607 drafts to succeed it will take you 3362 years to complete the draft. Now it gets worse, there are 75 rules of multiple's of sevens in this text alone, you do the math of the chances of that occurring by accident:
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Lets just take half of these rules and see what are the chances of this occurring by accident (watch the video from the timestamp I have given to get the full picture)
In short if you want to replicate this text with only 34 rules with these multiple's of seven it will take 1000 000 Super Computers at 400 million tries per second 4,300,000 years - and this is just in Mark. It becomes absurd to think that this is by accident or that someone can tamper with the text because guess what, if you tamper with the text then you loose this Heptadic structure!
This occurs in Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, Peter, James, Jude and Paul's books...

Even these people vocabularies fits into this rule, all of these guys has a unique vocabulary only used by them, and those words you can also divide by seven and add up their numerical value and also divide that exactly by seven.

For those who throw out the New testament or the old and want to add or take away from the whole book of the Bible there are these rules of multiple's of seven that only work with the old and new testaments combined!!!! More than 75 of these rules - so guess what, take away the book of Paul you break the structure, add any text you break the structure, these rules only apply if you take the whole Bible unaltered. Watch the whole Video for even more amazing encryptions woven into the Bible or just from timestamp 2:01:12 to understand the Heptadic structure and realize that God's Word is perfect as it is and need not be altered nor has it been.

To end off:
Psalm 12
6 The words and promises of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times over.
7 You will keep them and preserve them, O Lord; You will guard and keep us from this [evil] generation forever.

There's also chiastic structure or chiasms in the Torah and Tanakh. This is all some really cool stuff.

 

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@bible_student Remember I asked you to check out those threads with King David a while ago, so there was a reason I wanted you to check those threads out. While reading what that guy was saying, how did you feel about the situation and everything he was saying - did it frustrate you?
 

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Christians are also using the Bible to form wrong doctrines in ignorance if they are Christians and in deception if they are not Christians.

Christianity is truly divided into denominations who all use the Bible.

It's a big mess.

Now nobody got the full picture and we all see through a glass darkly... but pride and prejudice always blinds. Emotions might be employed instead of critical thinking. Women are naturally inclined to this error. That's just the way it is.

Some has been authorized by Jesus Christ himself to teach His truths... but that doesn't mean all will recognize this. Jesus who is God could not convince the Pharisees because of their pride and prejudice.
 

Camidria

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Christians are also using the Bible to form wrong doctrines in ignorance if they are Christians and in deception if they are not Christians.

Christianity is truly divided into denominations who all use the Bible.

It's a big mess.

Now nobody got the full picture and we all see through a glass darkly... but pride and prejudice always blinds. Emotions might be employed instead of critical thinking. Women are naturally inclined to this error. That's just the way it is.

Some has been authorized by Jesus Christ himself to teach His truths... but that doesn't mean all will recognize this. Jesus who is God could not convince the Pharisees because of their pride and prejudice.
Well yes I agree with most of your post, yes women are emotional sometimes there is a reason we have been made like that - it is also needed. Pride does play a massive role in people starting a cult and writing their own scriptures or preaching that they are god etc.

We all have a part to play in the body, some people needs to be whacked to understand they are messing up, others will not respond to that because they are different in their understanding and way of thinking. People are different, and everyone is unique, God works with us in unique ways to come to an understanding of how much He loves us and want us to have a relationship with him and allow Him to sanctify us.
 

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Testing the Prophets

We know God communicates His intention through His servants the prophets, and Satan counterfeits the messages of God through false prophets, so it is vital that we test the prophets to see if the message is indeed from God. On one hand, the Scriptures admonish us to "Despise not prophesyings" (1 Thessalonians 5:2) and to "Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper" (2 Chronicles 20:20).

On the other hand, there are warnings against false prophets:

"For false christs and false prophets will rise and will show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:24).

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

False prophets claim to have dreams and to see visions, so the Scriptures must provide criteria whereby the authenticity of the prophets' statements may be tested.

"Do not despise prophecies, test all things; hold fast what is good" (1Thessalonians 5:20-21).

The Bible lists a series of tests that can be applied to prophets to determine whether they are genuine or not. Many of these tests can be individually counterfeited, but collectively, they provide an impassable barrier to false prophets. False prophets can quote Scripture or have some of their prophecies come true, but they can still be false prophets—subtly using every opportunity to lead God's people astray.

A true prophet of God will meet all the Biblical criteria, which can be summarized as follows:

1. A true prophet's message will be in complete harmony with the word of God and the law of God.

"To the law and to the testimony! If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).

Most modern-day prophets would fail this test. A prophet cannot negate what God has revealed in His Word, and all the precepts of the law are binding (James 2:10). When the law is not observed, the gift of prophecy is withdrawn (Lamentations 2:9).

2. A true prophet's predictions must come to pass.

"...when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:22).

A word of warning: A prophet's predictions may occur, and may even be accompanied by miracles. But if they do not pass the other tests, the prophet is still false.

"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying 'Let us go after other gods'—which you have not known—and let us serve them, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him" (Deuteronomy13:1-4).

Signs and wonders do not prove a prophet's validity. As in the above Scriptural example, prophets' words are not always in harmony with the law of God. Satan will work miracles in the last days to deceive many (Revelation 16:14).

3. A true prophet prophesies to edify the Church, counseling and advising in religious matters.

"But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification and exhortation, and comfort...but he that prophesieth edifieth the church" (1 Corinthians 14:3-4).

"A true prophet will not condone sin" (1 John 3:4).

True prophets will exhort the church to a higher standard, and will exemplify God's principles in their own lives. False prophets, such as 16th-century seer Nostradamus, do not live according to God's Word and do not build up the Church with their prophecies.

4. A true prophet will exalt Christ as the Son of God and the Saviour of humankind.

"No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us...Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God" (1John 4:12,15).

After His resurrection, Jesus expounded the Scriptures to His disciples, revealing to them the prophetic proclamations regarding Himself (Luke 24:27).

Again a word of warning regarding this test. Many false prophets will say to Jesus in the last judgment, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works" (Matthew 7:22)?

The Lord will not recognize them as His, as they practiced iniquity (Greek: anomia — against the law of God). They seem to pass the test, but fail in regard to the law.

5. The true prophet will speak with authority (Matthew 7:29).

Jesus is the supreme example, and He spoke those things which He had seen and heard from the Father (John 8:26,28,38). A prophet will likewise reveal those things with authority that have been revealed to him by God.

6. The true prophet will bear good fruit.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:20).

This test is compelling. Does the prophet live a life in harmony with the will of God and are the lives of those touched transformed so that they too live godly lives? Once again, a word of warning: No one is without sin, and all fall short of the glory of God.

"Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months" (James 5:17).

Although Elijah had faults and passions just like us, he strove to live a godly life and the fruits of his labor testify that he was truly a prophet of God.

7. The true prophet, when in vision, will exhibit physical signs.

In vision, the prophet's eyes will be open.

"The utterance of him who hears the words of God, who sees the vision of the Almighty, who falls down, with eyes wide open" (Numbers 24:4).

Daniel 10 describes the physical state of the prophet Daniel while in vision.

"And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me; for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words; and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face to the ground" (Daniel 10:7-9).

Daniel had "no strength," and he must have fallen to the ground as he lay with his "face to the ground." The prophet does not, however, remain in this helpless state on the ground, but he is lifted up by God, and while still in vision, stands up on his feet (Daniel 10:10-11).

In vision, the prophet will have no breath in him, and no strength.

"And suddenly one having the likeness of the sons of men touched my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke, saying to him who stood before me, My Lord, because of the vision, my sorrows have overwhelmed me, and I have retained no strength. For how can this servant of my Lord talk with you my Lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me. Then again, the one having the likeness of a man touched me and strengthened me" (Daniel 10:16-17).

No mention is made of the restoration of breathing while in vision. The prophet is sustained by God while in vision. In summary, a prophet in vision shows these signs:

i) Falls down weak
ii) Is raised up and strengthened by God
iii) Has the eyes wide open during the vision
iv) Does not breath, even when speaking

These signs cannot be readily counterfeited. In fact, modern so-called visionaries tend to fall down with their eyes closed, and they have breath in them, because only God can sustain life without breath.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-prophecy-Scripture-test-truth
 
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Testing the Prophets

We know God communicates His intention through His servants the prophets, and Satan counterfeits the messages of God through false prophets, so it is vital that we test the prophets to see if the message is indeed from God. On one hand, the Scriptures admonish us to "Despise not prophesyings" (1 Thessalonians 5:2) and to "Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper" (2 Chronicles 20:20).

On the other hand, there are warnings against false prophets:

"For false christs and false prophets will rise and will show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:24).

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

False prophets claim to have dreams and to see visions, so the Scriptures must provide criteria whereby the authenticity of the prophets' statements may be tested.

"Do not despise prophecies, test all things; hold fast what is good" (1Thessalonians 5:20-21).

The Bible lists a series of tests that can be applied to prophets to determine whether they are genuine or not. Many of these tests can be individually counterfeited, but collectively, they provide an impassable barrier to false prophets. False prophets can quote Scripture or have some of their prophecies come true, but they can still be false prophets—subtly using every opportunity to lead God's people astray.

A true prophet of God will meet all the Biblical criteria, which can be summarized as follows:

1. A true prophet's message will be in complete harmony with the word of God and the law of God.

"To the law and to the testimony! If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).

Most modern-day prophets would fail this test. A prophet cannot negate what God has revealed in His Word, and all the precepts of the law are binding (James 2:10). When the law is not observed, the gift of prophecy is withdrawn (Lamentations 2:9).

2. A true prophet's predictions must come to pass.

"...when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:22).

A word of warning: A prophet's predictions may occur, and may even be accompanied by miracles. But if they do not pass the other tests, the prophet is still false.

"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying 'Let us go after other gods'—which you have not known—and let us serve them, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him" (Deuteronomy13:1-4).

Signs and wonders do not prove a prophet's validity. As in the above Scriptural example, prophets' words are not always in harmony with the law of God. Satan will work miracles in the last days to deceive many (Revelation 16:14).

3. A true prophet prophesies to edify the Church, counseling and advising in religious matters.

"But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification and exhortation, and comfort...but he that prophesieth edifieth the church" (1 Corinthians 14:3-4).

"A true prophet will not condone sin" (1 John 3:4).

True prophets will exhort the church to a higher standard, and will exemplify God's principles in their own lives. False prophets, such as 16th-century seer Nostradamus, do not live according to God's Word and do not build up the Church with their prophecies.

4. A true prophet will exalt Christ as the Son of God and the Saviour of humankind.

"No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us...Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God" (1John 4:12,15).

After His resurrection, Jesus expounded the Scriptures to His disciples, revealing to them the prophetic proclamations regarding Himself (Luke 24:27).

Again a word of warning regarding this test. Many false prophets will say to Jesus in the last judgment, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works" (Matthew 7:22)?

The Lord will not recognize them as His, as they practiced iniquity (Greek: anomia — against the law of God). They seem to pass the test, but fail in regard to the law.

5. The true prophet will speak with authority (Matthew 7:29).

Jesus s the supreme example, and He spoke those things which He had seen and heard from the Father (John 8:26,28,38). A prophet will likewise reveal those things with authority that have been revealed to him by God.

6. The true prophet will bear good fruit.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:20).

This test is compelling. Does the prophet live a life in harmony with the will of God and are the lives of those touched transformed so that they too live godly lives? Once again, a word of warning: No one is without sin, and all fall short of the glory of God.

"Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months" (James 5:17).

Although Elijah had faults and passions just like us, he strove to live a godly life and the fruits of his labor testify that he was truly a prophet of God.

7. The true prophet, when in vision, will exhibit physical signs.

In vision, the prophet's eyes will be open.

"The utterance of him who hears the words of God, who sees the vision of the Almighty, who falls down, with eyes wide open" (Numbers 24:4).

Daniel 10 describes the physical state of the prophet Daniel while in vision.

"And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me; for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words; and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face to the ground" (Daniel 10:7-9).

Daniel had "no strength," and he must have fallen to the ground as he lay with his "face to the ground." The prophet does not, however, remain in this helpless state on the ground, but he is lifted up by God, and while still in vision, stands up on his feet (Daniel 10:10-11).

In vision, the prophet will have no breath in him, and no strength.

"And suddenly one having the likeness of the sons of men touched my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke, saying to him who stood before me, My Lord, because of the vision, my sorrows have overwhelmed me, and I have retained no strength. For how can this servant of my Lord talk with you my Lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me. Then again, the one having the likeness of a man touched me and strengthened me" (Daniel 10:16-17).

No mention is made of the restoration of breathing while in vision. The prophet is sustained by God while in vision. In summary, a prophet in vision shows these signs:

i) Falls down weak
ii) Is raised up and strengthened by God
iii) Has the eyes wide open during the vision
iv) Does not breath, even when speaking

These signs cannot be readily counterfeited. In fact, modern so-called visionaries tend to fall down with their eyes closed, and they have breath in them, because only God can sustain life without breath.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-prophecy-Scripture-test-truth
I do like Prof Walter Veith's teachings as well, and I agree with your post. He has a well thought out way of putting things and his series on the Genesis Conflict was great to debunk evolution. I want to rewatch his series on Total Onslaught.
 

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I do like Prof Walter Veith's teachings as well, and I agree with your post. He has a well thought out way of putting things and his series on the Genesis Conflict was great to debunk evolution. I want to rewatch his series on Total Onslaught.
I didn't know anyone here had watched him preach before.
 

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I didn't know anyone here had watched him preach before.
Well his teachings on the flood are super logical, plus he is South African same as me so one of my friends introduced me in my university years.
 

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Well his teachings on the flood are super logical, plus he is South African same as me so one of my friends introduced me in my university years.
I've been watching, reading and listening to him for years. I had never heard of the New world order, illuminati, Freemasons and other secret societies before I watched a series he did before total onslaught. A friend introduced me too. It opened my eyes and ears to the Word of God and what was going on in the world.
 
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@bible_student Remember I asked you to check out those threads with King David a while ago, so there was a reason I wanted you to check those threads out. While reading what that guy was saying, how did you feel about the situation and everything he was saying - did it frustrate you?
Not particularly, as it was quite obvious to spot who they work for since they denied The Lord.

King of kings' Bible,
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that the Christ was incarnated in Jesus? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
 

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Not particularly, as it was quite obvious to spot who they work for since they denied The Lord.

King of kings' Bible,
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that the Christ was incarnated in Jesus? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
Perhaps read the whole OP in this thread, hopefully you will understand where I am coming from.
 
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I do like Prof Walter Veith's teachings as well, and I agree with your post. He has a well thought out way of putting things and his series on the Genesis Conflict was great to debunk evolution. I want to rewatch his series on Total Onslaught.
"From Crete to Malta" was interesting, about who he thinks Sun Tzu really was.
However, on some topics Walter Veith is not so well informed and he gets things completely wrong.
 

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"From Crete to Malta" was interesting, about who he thinks Sun Tzu really was.
However, on some topics Walter Veith is not so well informed and he gets things completely wrong.
I meant the first post of this thread?

Authentic or Counterfeit?
How would you recognize counterfeit Christianity?
In 2 Peter 1 we read about genuine believers. And in 2 Peter 2 we read about counterfeit believers. If you put these chapters side by side you will see the difference between authentic and counterfeit believers.
1. Different SourceWhere does the message come from?
Peter says, “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:16). And then he says the false teachers exploit you “with stories they have made up” (2:3). So the true teacher sources what he says from the Bible. The false teacher relies on his own creativity. He makes up his own message.
2. Different MessageWhat is the substance of the message?
For the true teacher, Jesus Christ is central. “We have everything we need for life and godliness in Him” (1:3). For the false teacher, Jesus is at the margins: “They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them” (2:1).
Notice the word secretly. It’s rare for someone in church to openly deny Jesus. Movement away from the centrality of Christ is subtle. The false teacher will speak about how other people can help change your life, but if you listen carefully to what he is saying, you will see that Jesus Christ is not essential to his message.
3. Different PositionIn what position will the message leave you?
The true Christian “escapes the corruption in the world caused by evil desires” (1:4). Listen to how Peter describes the counterfeit Christian: “They promise . . . freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity, for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him” (2:19). The true believer is escaping corruption, while the counterfeit believer is mastered by it.
4. Different CharacterWhat kind of people does the message produce?
The true believer pursues goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brother kindness, and love (1:5). The counterfeit Christian is marked by arrogance and slander (2:10). They are “experts in greed” and “their eyes are full of adultery” (2:14). They also “despise authority” (2:10). This is a general characteristic of a counterfeit believer.
5. Different AppealWhy should you listen to the message?
The true teacher appeals to Scripture. “We have the word of the prophets made more certain and you will do well to pay attention to it” (1:19). God has spoken, and the true teacher appeals to his Word. The false teacher makes a rather different appeal: “By appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error” (2:18). So the true teacher asks, “What has God said in his Word?” The false teacher asks, “What do people want to hear? What will appeal to their flesh?”
6. Different FruitWhat result does the message have in people’s lives?
The true believer is effective and productive in his or her knowledge of Jesus Christ (1:8). The counterfeit is “like a spring without water” (2:17). This is an extraordinary picture! They promise much but produce little.
7. Different EndWhere does the message ultimately lead you?
Here we find the most disturbing contrast of all. The true believer will receive “a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:11). The false believer will experience “swift destruction” (2:1). “Their condemnation has long been hanging over them and their destruction has not been sleeping” (2:3).
Jesus tells us that there will be many who have been involved in ministry in his name, to whom he will say, “Depart from me; I never knew you” (Matthew 7:21). Who are these people? Surely Peter is describing them in this passage.

Don’t Be Naïve
We must not be ignorant: “There will be false teachers among you” (2:1). So how do we apply this warning?
First, Peter’s plain statement reminds us that the church needs to be protected. Among the many wonderful people who come to through the doors of the church each year, some would do more harm than good.
They may seem the nicest of people, but they do not believe in the authority of the Bible or the exclusivity of salvation in Christ. We welcome such people, because they need Christ as much as we do, but we must not allow them to have influence in the church.
Second, skeptics will always be able to point to hypocrisy and inconsistency in the church. They’ve always done it, and they always will. One of the strangest reasons for not following Christ goes like this: “I’ve seen people in the church who are hypocrites.” So you will not follow Christ because some people who claim to do so are hypocrites?
The existence of the counterfeit is never a good reason for rejecting the genuine. Peter essentially tells us, “Of course there are counterfeit Christians. Of course there are teachers who do the church more harm than good. What else would you expect in this fallen world? Grow up! Don’t be naïve! Don’t miss what’s real simply because you have seen the counterfeit.”
Point to 2 Peter 2:1 the next time you meet someone hiding behind this excuse.

Article at this Link

Heptadic structure
I think one of the most important points of this article is about the Different source. Many false teachers loves to create their own source material from where they teach their own version of the Gospel. Now I have posted up a video time and time again about this that dispels any and all doubt that God's Word is truth, authentic and unchanged. God's word needs NO correction or extra frilly's to complete the text. It is divine as it is. But of course when you post up a video, people don't watch it - so here it is from timestamp 2:01:12

There is a Hidden Security Mechanism in the Bible to assure authenticity it is called the Heptadic structure, how it works is as follows. (There are 75 of these rules in total)
As a example the last 12 verses of Mark:
1 - The words used is 175 (7x25)
2 - Letters 553 (7x79)
3 - Vowels 294 (7x42)
4 - Consonants 259 (7x37)
5 - Total Vocabulary 98 (7x14)
6 - Words found before in Mark 84 (7x12)
7 - Only found in the last 12 verses 14 (7x2)
8 - Words used in the Lord's address 42 (7x6)
9 - Total Gematrical Value is 106663 (7x14,809) Greek has a numerical value attached to each of it's letters and this is the total if you add them up

If you would want to write a draft of text with these 9 rules of multiple's of sevens in them and you work for 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week and 50 weeks per year, you need to to a draft every 10 minutes because you will need 40,353,607 drafts to succeed it will take you 3362 years to complete the draft. Now it gets worse, there are 75 rules of multiple's of sevens in this text alone, you do the math of the chances of that occurring by accident:
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Lets just take half of these rules and see what are the chances of this occurring by accident (watch the video from the timestamp I have given to get the full picture)
In short if you want to replicate this text with only 34 rules with these multiple's of seven it will take 1000 000 Super Computers at 400 million tries per second 4,300,000 years - and this is just in Mark. It becomes absurd to think that this is by accident or that someone can tamper with the text because guess what, if you tamper with the text then you loose this Heptadic structure!
This occurs in Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, Peter, James, Jude and Paul's books...

Even these people vocabularies fits into this rule, all of these guys has a unique vocabulary only used by them, and those words you can also divide by seven and add up their numerical value and also divide that exactly by seven.

For those who throw out the New testament or the old and want to add or take away from the whole book of the Bible there are these rules of multiple's of seven that only work with the old and new testaments combined!!!! More than 75 of these rules - so guess what, take away the book of Paul you break the structure, add any text you break the structure, these rules only apply if you take the whole Bible unaltered. Watch the whole Video for even more amazing encryptions woven into the Bible or just from timestamp 2:01:12 to understand the Heptadic structure and realize that God's Word is perfect as it is and need not be altered nor has it been.

To end off:
Psalm 12
6 The words and promises of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times over.
7 You will keep them and preserve them, O Lord; You will guard and keep us from this [evil] generation forever.

 
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I meant the first post of this thread?
Yes, that was understood.
Jesus tells us that there will be many who have been involved in ministry in his name, to whom he will say, “Depart from me; I never knew you” (Matthew 7:21). Who are these people? Surely Peter is describing them in this passage.
Very important, yet most christians will just read over it quick without actually considering the implications. Christ said there would be many who would come and do that and not a few.
Don’t Be Naïve
We must not be ignorant: “There will be false teachers among you” (2:1).
Yes, definitely. How about the pope? The popes are well known for their open blasphemy. Calling a man “Holy Father” is blasphemous (Matt. 23:9); and thinking that he reigns supreme over the earth, which Catholics do, is an abomination.
Matthew
23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called by men, Priest, Rabbi, Imam, etc.
23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for One is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
King of kings' Bible
 
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Authentic or Counterfeit?
How would you recognize counterfeit Christianity?
In 2 Peter 1 we read about genuine believers. And in 2 Peter 2 we read about counterfeit believers. If you put these chapters side by side you will see the difference between authentic and counterfeit believers.
1. Different SourceWhere does the message come from?
Peter says, “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:16). And then he says the false teachers exploit you “with stories they have made up” (2:3). So the true teacher sources what he says from the Bible. The false teacher relies on his own creativity. He makes up his own message.
2. Different MessageWhat is the substance of the message?
For the true teacher, Jesus Christ is central. “We have everything we need for life and godliness in Him” (1:3). For the false teacher, Jesus is at the margins: “They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them” (2:1).
Notice the word secretly. It’s rare for someone in church to openly deny Jesus. Movement away from the centrality of Christ is subtle. The false teacher will speak about how other people can help change your life, but if you listen carefully to what he is saying, you will see that Jesus Christ is not essential to his message.
3. Different PositionIn what position will the message leave you?
The true Christian “escapes the corruption in the world caused by evil desires” (1:4). Listen to how Peter describes the counterfeit Christian: “They promise . . . freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity, for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him” (2:19). The true believer is escaping corruption, while the counterfeit believer is mastered by it.
4. Different CharacterWhat kind of people does the message produce?
The true believer pursues goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brother kindness, and love (1:5). The counterfeit Christian is marked by arrogance and slander (2:10). They are “experts in greed” and “their eyes are full of adultery” (2:14). They also “despise authority” (2:10). This is a general characteristic of a counterfeit believer.
5. Different AppealWhy should you listen to the message?
The true teacher appeals to Scripture. “We have the word of the prophets made more certain and you will do well to pay attention to it” (1:19). God has spoken, and the true teacher appeals to his Word. The false teacher makes a rather different appeal: “By appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error” (2:18). So the true teacher asks, “What has God said in his Word?” The false teacher asks, “What do people want to hear? What will appeal to their flesh?”
6. Different FruitWhat result does the message have in people’s lives?
The true believer is effective and productive in his or her knowledge of Jesus Christ (1:8). The counterfeit is “like a spring without water” (2:17). This is an extraordinary picture! They promise much but produce little.
7. Different EndWhere does the message ultimately lead you?
Here we find the most disturbing contrast of all. The true believer will receive “a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:11). The false believer will experience “swift destruction” (2:1). “Their condemnation has long been hanging over them and their destruction has not been sleeping” (2:3).
Jesus tells us that there will be many who have been involved in ministry in his name, to whom he will say, “Depart from me; I never knew you” (Matthew 7:21). Who are these people? Surely Peter is describing them in this passage.

Don’t Be Naïve
We must not be ignorant: “There will be false teachers among you” (2:1). So how do we apply this warning?
First, Peter’s plain statement reminds us that the church needs to be protected. Among the many wonderful people who come to through the doors of the church each year, some would do more harm than good.
They may seem the nicest of people, but they do not believe in the authority of the Bible or the exclusivity of salvation in Christ. We welcome such people, because they need Christ as much as we do, but we must not allow them to have influence in the church.
Second, skeptics will always be able to point to hypocrisy and inconsistency in the church. They’ve always done it, and they always will. One of the strangest reasons for not following Christ goes like this: “I’ve seen people in the church who are hypocrites.” So you will not follow Christ because some people who claim to do so are hypocrites?
The existence of the counterfeit is never a good reason for rejecting the genuine. Peter essentially tells us, “Of course there are counterfeit Christians. Of course there are teachers who do the church more harm than good. What else would you expect in this fallen world? Grow up! Don’t be naïve! Don’t miss what’s real simply because you have seen the counterfeit.”
Point to 2 Peter 2:1 the next time you meet someone hiding behind this excuse.

Article at this Link

Heptadic structure
I think one of the most important points of this article is about the Different source. Many false teachers loves to create their own source material from where they teach their own version of the Gospel. Now I have posted up a video time and time again about this that dispels any and all doubt that God's Word is truth, authentic and unchanged. God's word needs NO correction or extra frilly's to complete the text. It is divine as it is. But of course when you post up a video, people don't watch it - so here it is from timestamp 2:01:12

There is a Hidden Security Mechanism in the Bible to assure authenticity it is called the Heptadic structure, how it works is as follows. (There are 75 of these rules in total)
As a example the last 12 verses of Mark:
1 - The words used is 175 (7x25)
2 - Letters 553 (7x79)
3 - Vowels 294 (7x42)
4 - Consonants 259 (7x37)
5 - Total Vocabulary 98 (7x14)
6 - Words found before in Mark 84 (7x12)
7 - Only found in the last 12 verses 14 (7x2)
8 - Words used in the Lord's address 42 (7x6)
9 - Total Gematrical Value is 106663 (7x14,809) Greek has a numerical value attached to each of it's letters and this is the total if you add them up

If you would want to write a draft of text with these 9 rules of multiple's of sevens in them and you work for 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week and 50 weeks per year, you need to to a draft every 10 minutes because you will need 40,353,607 drafts to succeed it will take you 3362 years to complete the draft. Now it gets worse, there are 75 rules of multiple's of sevens in this text alone, you do the math of the chances of that occurring by accident:
View attachment 20343
View attachment 20344
Lets just take half of these rules and see what are the chances of this occurring by accident (watch the video from the timestamp I have given to get the full picture)
In short if you want to replicate this text with only 34 rules with these multiple's of seven it will take 1000 000 Super Computers at 400 million tries per second 4,300,000 years - and this is just in Mark. It becomes absurd to think that this is by accident or that someone can tamper with the text because guess what, if you tamper with the text then you loose this Heptadic structure!
This occurs in Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, Peter, James, Jude and Paul's books...

Even these people vocabularies fits into this rule, all of these guys has a unique vocabulary only used by them, and those words you can also divide by seven and add up their numerical value and also divide that exactly by seven.

For those who throw out the New testament or the old and want to add or take away from the whole book of the Bible there are these rules of multiple's of seven that only work with the old and new testaments combined!!!! More than 75 of these rules - so guess what, take away the book of Paul you break the structure, add any text you break the structure, these rules only apply if you take the whole Bible unaltered. Watch the whole Video for even more amazing encryptions woven into the Bible or just from timestamp 2:01:12 to understand the Heptadic structure and realize that God's Word is perfect as it is and need not be altered nor has it been.

To end off:
Psalm 12
6 The words and promises of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times over.
7 You will keep them and preserve them, O Lord; You will guard and keep us from this [evil] generation forever.

Do they say which text the heptadic structure specifically applies to, please? Is it to the original Hebrew and Greek, rather than to a translation into English?

The original Bible code information was interesting as well -

"The Bible code was discovered in the original Hebrew version of the Old Testament, The Bible as it was first written. That Book, now translated into every language, is the foundation of all Western religion. But the mathematical code exists only in Hebrew, because that is The Bible's original language.

Eliyahu Rips told Michael Drosnin that the first hint of the encoding had been found more than 50 years ago by H.M.D. Weissmandel, a rabbi in Prague who discovered that if he skipped 50 letters, and then another 50, and then another 50, the word 'Torah' was spelled out at the beginning of The Book of Genesis.

The same skip-sequence again spelled out 'Torah' in The Book of Exodus, Book of Numbers and Book of Deuteronomy."

A Mathematical Bible Code Secular Proof that there is indeed an Infinitely Higher Intelligence (God) in The Universe.
http://jahtruth.net/bibcode
 
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Heptadic system is interesting but what I know about god is that, he doesn't care about us.
 
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