Can you be spiritual without being religious?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

So...

Why is it that you make so many personal comments to people who don't share your views?

Just sayin...

Sharing my views has nothing to do with it.

To your question, because I try to love everyone but cannot love the stupid with anything other than tough love.

They are beyond logic and reason and have been listening to false preachers for too long and their moral sense has been corrupted.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Sharing my views has nothing to do with it.

To your question, because I try to love everyone but cannot love the stupid with anything other than tough love.

They are beyond logic and reason and have been listening to false preachers for too long and their moral sense has been corrupted.

Regards
DL

It is tempting to presume that those who take views that we strongly oppose are less intelligent than ourselves.

I like the attitude C.S Lewis displayed to others, one that must have been shaped by his interactions in debate with the likes of Bertrand Russell etc...

"It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which,if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors."​

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C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

It is tempting to presume that those who take views that we strongly oppose are less intelligent than ourselves.

I like the attitude C.S Lewis displayed to others, one that must have been shaped by his interactions in debate with the likes of Bertrand Russell etc...

"It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which,if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors."​

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C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory

Intelligence I define as just rote learning.

I seek the smart and try to push the intelligent to be so.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Intelligence I define as just rote learning.

I seek the smart and try to push the intelligent to be so.

Regards
DL

So did another snake in the Book of Genesis ;-)

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

So did another snake in the Book of Genesis ;-)

Indeed.

It was doing God's work. That is why God put it there.

That is also why God put me here.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Indeed.

It was doing God's work. That is why God put it there.

That is also why God put me here.

Regards
DL

The question then - which God?

The God who revealed himself to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or the god of this world who failed to seduce the Lord Jesus Christ with his slight of hand and seductive speech in the wilderness?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

The question then - which God?

The God who revealed himself to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or the god of this world who failed to seduce the Lord Jesus Christ with his slight of hand and seductive speech in the wilderness?

Not that imaginary prick.

If you seek identity, wisdom and knowledge of God then do as scriptures tell your to do.

Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Not that imaginary prick.

If you seek identity, wisdom and knowledge of God then do as scriptures tell your to do.

Hebrews 6 King James Version; 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

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That tells mr a lot. Thanks.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

That tells mr a lot. Thanks.

Regards
DL

Last time we talked about it, you didn't make the distinction between discarding a foundation and building upon it. "Not laying again" and "going on unto" have clear meaning in the wider context.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

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Last time we talked about it, you didn't make the distinction between discarding a foundation and building upon it. "Not laying again" and "going on unto" have clear meaning in the wider context.

Which again you leave to my imagination.

Stop wasting my time.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Which again you leave to my imagination.

Stop wasting my time.

Regards
DL

Sometimes you can be too hasty to close down dialogue...



The context of the verses you quote are talking about moving on to spiritual maturity.

You don't discard the algebra you learn at Primary school because you are now studying quadratic equations at High School, you simply don't need to do the Primary lessons again.

 

[cfowen]

Demons are imaginary. Spiritual thinking people are not.

Let's stick to reality please.

Regards
DL

I wish Gnostics were imaginary. It would be a better world. Demons are real. You can find them in most any charismatic church.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Yes religions that use supernatural aspects I do see as evil.

Being Spiritual I do not see as evil.

U C 20/20

Do you see the harm that the mainstream religions are causing the rest of us?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Yes I do, they are always pushing what they believe it right and what they see as wrong. Mainstream religions try to play God.

Yes, and like their gods are portrayed, they do not mind going into Inquisition and Jihad mode when they cannot argue their more vile moral tenets.

They, like most bullies, do not have much upstairs.

Regards
DL

 

[AspiringSoul]

"gods are evil..."

Later
"Demons are not real"

Make up your mind FFS.

 

[JoChris]

"gods are evil..."

Later
"Demons are not real"

Make up your mind FFS.

He can't agree even with himself. This video is the highest standard of "apologetics" you will get from God-detesting Contradictory Babbler.

 

[AspiringSoul]

He can't agree even with himself. This video is the highest standard of "apologetics" you will get from God-detesting Contradictory Babbler.

honestly i think the philosophy he is trying to express is along the lines of Madam Blavatsky's 'Theosophy' which is a kind of westernised vedanta (hinduism). But doing it by attacking mainstream religion is silly.

How does a person determine where spirituality begins and ends?
It requires at least some form of theoretical structure....and that is religion.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

He can't agree even with himself. This video is the highest standard of "apologetics" you will get from God-detesting Contradictory Babbler.

I love that sketch!

I started a thread up just to let people state where they stand on their philosophical and religious position, without trying to argue at all. It's good to know what you believe what the person you are discussing with believes. As meaningful discussion and dialogue must begin with respect, I felt this might be helpful....

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/what-is-your-philosophy-all-the-isms.4278/

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

P.s. @JoChris

I found a longer version of the sketch - it includes an additional room before the argument room that brought a wry smile with respect to particular discussion styles ;-)