Personality Tests

[Etagloc]

Hey! I thought this was a religion-free zone! Start that debate in Religion area.

I was going on the message you were sending - you sound very idealistic and the majority of people do not have the N side, they have the S side. e.g. care more if it works right, not if it is right.

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Ahhh I see. I apologize. I misunderstood.

I'm impressed @JoChris- you really know this MBTI stuff. I know about INTP and INTJ. I was looking up INTP and INTJ in high school because I was really good friends with an INTJ and was tryng to figure out the difference between INTP and INTJ.

Besides those signs, the rest aren't really familiar to me.

You know the MBTI lingo. When you talk to peopke about this stuff, they say stuff like "Ne function" and stuff that baffles me lol. I know I means introvert is I and extrovert is e. That's about as much as I understand when it comes to the letters. I actually had some MBTI books but the terminology still baffles me. I think I might need a more in-depth MBTI book and to sit with it and hopefully understand what exactly the terms mean and find out the meaning of arcane terms like "sensing function" and the other lingo.

 

[JoChris]

Ahhh I see. I apologize. I misunderstood.

I'm impressed @JoChris- you really know this MBTI stuff. I know about INTP and INTJ. I was looking up INTP and INTJ in high school because I was really good friends with an INTJ and was tryng to figure out the difference between INTP and INTJ.

Besides those signs, the rest aren't really familiar to me.

You know the MBTI lingo. When you talk to peopke about this stuff, they say stuff like "Ne function" and stuff that baffles me lol. I know I means introvert is I and extrovert is e. That's about as much as I understand when it comes to the letters. I actually had some MBTI books but the terminology still baffles me. I think I might need a more in-depth MBTI book and to sit with it and hopefully understand what exactly the terms mean and find out the meaning of arcane terms like "sensing function" and the other lingo.

You gave such a thoughtful reply you deserve one in response!

I believe that MBTI is a potentially good starter tool for understanding yourself and others. Of course it has its weaknesses e.g. what you see yourself and how others see you could be poles apart.
It totally relies on self-honesty. Some personality traits may be seen as more fashionable in some eras than others. E.g. I bet "feeling" personality results are more common as society became post-modern in values. Moral standards would be way less black-and-white than when the test was first made.

I strongly disapprove of MBTI test being taken so seriously that workplaces use it as a tool to select/ reject potential employees. Even sales companies (where top people skills are a must) should have some introvert employees - more likely to be cautious when it is needed. Brakes as well as engines are needed in cars.

And of course people are way more than personality traits and can change according to circumstances etc. I have learned to "play" other roles much better with other people as I got older too. E.g. with much effort I can be ENFP or INFJ. I can be INTP because I have a good relationship with my father.

MBTI helped me a great deal to understand my in-laws when we moved to my husband's home town. Going from my mostly IN#P personalities to nothing but #S#J - it was like entering a different universe. I genuinely felt like I had to learn small-talk like a second language.

After reading a MBTI book I decided that my mother-in-law must be ISFJ and changed my conversation subjects and tried to get her talking about what interested her. It made the world of difference. She would do anything for people, she just couldn't talk "deep-and-meaningful" topics because it wasn't in her nature.

It pretty well helped me with learning to socialize with other people by giving me insight into how people's minds tick and accept myself and others in the process. It would be pretty boring if we were all the same.

 

[sim hae]

You're an INTJ? Grrrr.....

My whole life I've been regarded as malevolent for being a Scorpio, and now I'm the villain of the Mbti too?
Oh this cruel fate!

 

[Etagloc]

You gave such a thoughtful reply you deserve one in response!

I believe that MBTI is a potentially good starter tool for understanding yourself and others. Of course it has its weaknesses e.g. what you see yourself and how others see you could be poles apart.
It totally relies on self-honesty. Some personality traits may be seen as more fashionable in some eras than others. E.g. I bet "feeling" personality results are more common as society became post-modern in values. Moral standards would be way less black-and-white than when the test was first made.

I strongly disapprove of MBTI test being taken so seriously that workplaces use it as a tool to select/ reject potential employees. Even sales companies (where top people skills are a must) should have some introvert employees - more likely to be cautious when it is needed. Brakes as well as engines are needed in cars.

And of course people are way more than personality traits and can change according to circumstances etc. I have learned to "play" other roles much better with other people as I got older too. E.g. with much effort I can be ENFP or INFJ. I can be INTP because I have a good relationship with my father.

MBTI helped me a great deal to understand my in-laws when we moved to my husband's home town. Going from my mostly IN#P personalities to nothing but #S#J - it was like entering a different universe. I genuinely felt like I had to learn small-talk like a second language.

After reading a MBTI book I decided that my mother-in-law must be ISFJ and changed my conversation subjects and tried to get her talking about what interested her. It made the world of difference. She would do anything for people, she just couldn't talk "deep-and-meaningful" topics because it wasn't in her nature.

It pretty well helped me with learning to socialize with other people by giving me insight into how people's minds tick and accept myself and others in the process. It would be pretty boring if we were all the same.

Has that really happened where people got hired or not hired based on MBTI? That seems wrong. I don't think you should hire or fire someone based on personality tests. I think that is going too far.

I would like to read about the extroverted personalities. Those seem so...... difficult for me to understand that I would like to be able to try to understand them.

EDIT:

Yes I agree- society now is relativistic, people act like everything is about "feelings". I don't get it. It's like people have to go to one extreme or the other. It's like either they have to believe that everything is logic and feelings are insignificant (which is inhuman)- or, now, they act like everything is about feelings and logic is insignificant (which is insane). I think some people are more logical and some people more are about feelings and I'm fine with that and I accept that. Not everyone needs to be cold and logical in their personality. But nowadays I think they promote for everyone to be warm and fuzzy in their thinking and be all about emotions and act like it's not okay to grasp that there is such thing as objective truth and to be logical. The relativists are themselves absolutists. People who are insanely intolerant preach aggressive, intolerant "tolerance". It's baffling to me. I don't want to force my way of thinking on them. I just want to be left alone and not have them try to force that stuff on me. I think this is why many INTPS feel alienated. I think INTPS want to contribute and be friends with society- but when your whole personality is based around the (perfectly soun) premise that there is such thing as truth- and society tries to insist that truth doesn't really exist and that truth actually is whatever they say it is- I think this creates a hostile environment for INTPs. INTPs don't want to bother people. INTPs just want to be left in peace to build the perfect system in their head. Unfortunately, people are not seen truly as people but as raw clay for social engineering. For our own sanity, whoever we are- we have no choice but to resist that.

 

[JoChris]

My whole life I've been regarded as malevolent for being a Scorpio, and now I'm the villain of the Mbti too?
Oh this cruel fate!

I do not think you can outdo me. Apparently I am Adolf Hitler. Murderous villain test

 

[Etagloc]

I do not think you can outdo me. Apparently I am Adolf Hitler. Murderous villain test

I got Vladimir Lenin lol

 

[JoChris]

Has that really happened where people got hired or not hired based on MBTI? That seems wrong. I don't think you should hire or fire someone based on personality tests. I think that is going too far.

I would like to read about the extroverted personalities. Those seem so...... difficult for me to understand that I would like to be able to try to understand them.

EDIT:

Yes I agree- society now is relativistic, people act like everything is about "feelings". I don't get it. It's like people have to go to one extreme or the other. It's like either they have to believe that everything is logic and feelings are insignificant (which is inhuman)- or, now, they act like everything is about feelings and logic is insignificant (which is insane). I think some people are more logical and some people more are about feelings and I'm fine with that and I accept that. Not everyone needs to be cold and logical in their personality. But nowadays I think they promote for everyone to be warm and fuzzy in their thinking and be all about emotions and act like it's not okay to grasp that there is such thing as objective truth and to be logical. The relativists are themselves absolutists. People who are insanely intolerant preach aggressive, intolerant "tolerance". It's baffling to me. I don't want to force my way of thinking on them. I just want to be left alone and not have them try to force that stuff on me. I think this is why many INTPS feel alienated. I think INTPS want to contribute and be friends with society- but when your whole personality is based around the (perfectly soun) premise that there is such thing as truth- and society tries to insist that truth doesn't really exist and that truth actually is whatever they say it is- I think this creates a hostile environment for INTPs. INTPs don't want to bother people. INTPs just want to be left in peace to build the perfect system in their head. Unfortunately, people are not seen truly as people but as raw clay for social engineering. For our own sanity, whoever we are- we have no choice but to resist that.

Well if someone is chosen because of their MBTI profile that means someone else has been rejected as a result.
https://www.talentinsights.com/blog/using-myers-briggs-in-hiring-decisions/
On a standard MBTI test I bet I could get the ESFP/J or ESTP/J score very easily by just choosing all the opposite answers. Of course that would be lying and against my own moral code, but someone else could modify their answers no problems.

This INFP knows exactly where you are coming from - it is very frustrating to watch the world destroy itself through very self-destructive "deny reality if it pleases people" mindset. It is happening in all areas of life and thinking. Assuming the world is still around the people of the 23rd century will be amazed that 21st society didn't disintegrate completely.

 

[Etagloc]

Well if someone is chosen because of their MBTI profile that means someone else has been rejected as a result.
https://www.talentinsights.com/blog/using-myers-briggs-in-hiring-decisions/
On a standard MBTI test I bet I could get the ESFP/J or ESTP/J score very easily by just choosing all the opposite answers. Of course that would be lying and against my own moral code, but someone else could modify their answers no problems.

This INFP knows exactly where you are coming from - it is very frustrating to watch the world destroy itself through very self-destructive "deny reality if it pleases people" mindset. It is happening in all areas of life and thinking. Assuming the world is still around the people of the 23rd century will be amazed that 21st society didn't disintegrate completely.

I wonder if atheists really exist. People who say they're atheists... I don't really believe them. I seem to always get the impression they're rebelling against God.

That's basically what society is doing- openly rebelling against God. I just find it baffling. I admit- sometimes I'm really tempted to eat cookies. I had a seizure last year and I found out I had low blood sugar. So I've been letting myself eat cookies, chocolate bars.

I have a love/hate relationship with Almond Joy. I don't hate Almond Joy and I'm not trying to suggest that. But- in my experience, there's a lot of coconut and just a little almond. It just seems like it should be Coconut and Almond Joy. I feel like it's deceptive and it's hard to feel trust.

For me, temptation tends to be about things like cookies, chocolate and fruit juice. I have low blood sugar so I think I have an excuse. But I look around and I really see people doing things like rebelling against God and following the devil- sometimes (shockingly- at least to me) openly, sometimes more subtle with it (which I think is maybe more disturbing- those are dangerous ones imo).

It just baffles me. Society follows the devil but... I don't feel tempted towards that. So it's hard for me to understand.

I thought about it and the picture I imagined is society is this super-promiscuous woman in an over-the-top, meant-to-be-provocative outfit, acting strange (sort of like story of Yusuf PBUH for those who know the reference) and trying to pull me in..... but that she actually is a demon in a thinly veiled, not-very-convincing disguise and who wants to pull my soul into hell and that I just feel repulsed and don't feel interested and I'm not looking in that direction.

I mean for example I had people try to force me into being materialistic when I was younger. People really wanted to push materialism on me. Like for example someone on Facebook a long time ago made fun of my cell phone in a picture for not being the latest something or whatever. I don't think I responded. I think I blocked him and just sort of shrugged. I can excited about books. I can get excited about food. But I can't get excited about cell phones. It's just a phone. A boring, lifeless dead thing. I almost lost it and I think that possibly on some unconscious level it was intentional just because I didn't care about it.

I haven't read Faust the book but I saw a movie version of Faust and it was really good and it showed something similar to what I pictured. Faust is wanting to repent from his sins and an angel is telling him "study theology". He is like "yes"... he wants to follow religion, do what he believes is right, etc.- but then this certain-type-of-woman(-I-dont-want-to-offend-the-PC-crowd-and-get-sucked-into-a-pointless-dispute) shows up.... and then Faust like a sucker goes after her.... and what is sort of sad and sort of funny is that almost immediately she turns out to actually be a demon. And then I think he ends up dying in a not-good state. I'm supposed to have this book arrive today called Degenerate Moderns: Modernity As Rationalized Sexual Misbehavior... I haven't read it yet but I think that title is so on-point. I believe it. It would not surprise me if the whole thing of modernity and all its fancy rhetoric- is just a ridiculously elaborate, veiled justification for people to.... be like animals.

I mean that was basically the whole plot of the movie Faust. That was basically the whole movie. Guy wants to follow God. Guy sees girl. Girl turns out to be demon (literally- apparently her "face" was a mask and she was hideous beneath the surface). Guy dies in a horrible state of unrepentance. The devil's followers laugh at the end and get ready to pull in the next sucker.

I think my post is as long as a tree but it could be so much longer. As far as society... I feel like a person in a movie theater who thinks they should get a refund. I wanted to see a movie and they showed a completely different movie. So I feel not responsible for the movie that's being played because I wanted a completely different movie.

Anyways- the bottom line is that it's clear that society wants our souls. Society doesn't want to simply kill us or anything like that. Society doesn't want that. It simply wants people's souls. It is blatantly obvious. If that's not proof there's God, I don't know what is.

 

[EpistemiX]

I find it interesting because I think intps are more broad-based in knowledge......
for example bro @EpistemiX had a thread on secularism.....
Since I do not think secular ideals are the best path ...…..I did not have much to say...….and the same goes for many theories out there.
I think that believers should run things.

All the more reason to say something

 

[DesertRose]

Very true that I have never liked female ESFJs. *shudder* The perfect hostess, perfect planning skills and perfect small talk.
At least ESTJs I can imagine just talking male logical small talk e.g. sport, property.
They always seemed to be more successful with people and the workplace too.

LOL My mom was tested at work and she is esfj. Excellent moms btw she understood early on that I was not into too much socializing so she gave me much space. ESTJ guys are the different planet for me and esfps.
I used mbti to understand a little bit the preferences of others.....and get a small understanding perhaps. Cause I suck at reading people and when I was younger I didn't care but now I guess I do....

 

[DesertRose]

. I'm supposed to have this book arrive today called Degenerate Moderns: Modernity As Rationalized Sexual Misbehavior... I haven't read it yet but I think that title is so on-point. I believe it. It would not surprise me if the whole thing of modernity and all its fancy rhetoric- is just a ridiculously elaborate, veiled justification for people to.... be like animals.

There is a video I remembered about dunya/the world as a seductive mechanism (PCdom). I will post it on Islamic videos for you. Enjoy!

All the more reason to say something

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noted!

 

[DesertRose]

INFP - definitely yes. I am a simple lifestyle that seeks more "meaningful" riches for sure. Not materialistic at all

:

 

[JoChris]

I wonder if atheists really exist. People who say they're atheists... I don't really believe them. I seem to always get the impression they're rebelling against God.

That's basically what society is doing- openly rebelling against God. I just find it baffling. I admit- sometimes I'm really tempted to eat cookies. I had a seizure last year and I found out I had low blood sugar. So I've been letting myself eat cookies, chocolate bars.

I have a love/hate relationship with Almond Joy. I don't hate Almond Joy and I'm not trying to suggest that. But- in my experience, there's a lot of coconut and just a little almond. It just seems like it should be Coconut and Almond Joy. I feel like it's deceptive and it's hard to feel trust.

For me, temptation tends to be about things like cookies, chocolate and fruit juice. I have low blood sugar so I think I have an excuse. But I look around and I really see people doing things like rebelling against God and following the devil- sometimes (shockingly- at least to me) openly, sometimes more subtle with it (which I think is maybe more disturbing- those are dangerous ones imo).

It just baffles me. Society follows the devil but... I don't feel tempted towards that. So it's hard for me to understand.

I thought about it and the picture I imagined is society is this super-promiscuous woman in an over-the-top, meant-to-be-provocative outfit, acting strange (sort of like story of Yusuf PBUH for those who know the reference) and trying to pull me in..... but that she actually is a demon in a thinly veiled, not-very-convincing disguise and who wants to pull my soul into hell and that I just feel repulsed and don't feel interested and I'm not looking in that direction.

I mean for example I had people try to force me into being materialistic when I was younger. People really wanted to push materialism on me. Like for example someone on Facebook a long time ago made fun of my cell phone in a picture for not being the latest something or whatever. I don't think I responded. I think I blocked him and just sort of shrugged. I can excited about books. I can get excited about food. But I can't get excited about cell phones. It's just a phone. A boring, lifeless dead thing. I almost lost it and I think that possibly on some unconscious level it was intentional just because I didn't care about it.

I haven't read Faust the book but I saw a movie version of Faust and it was really good and it showed something similar to what I pictured. Faust is wanting to repent from his sins and an angel is telling him "study theology". He is like "yes"... he wants to follow religion, do what he believes is right, etc.- but then this certain-type-of-woman(-I-dont-want-to-offend-the-PC-crowd-and-get-sucked-into-a-pointless-dispute) shows up.... and then Faust like a sucker goes after her.... and what is sort of sad and sort of funny is that almost immediately she turns out to actually be a demon. And then I think he ends up dying in a not-good state. I'm supposed to have this book arrive today called Degenerate Moderns: Modernity As Rationalized Sexual Misbehavior... I haven't read it yet but I think that title is so on-point. I believe it. It would not surprise me if the whole thing of modernity and all its fancy rhetoric- is just a ridiculously elaborate, veiled justification for people to.... be like animals.

I mean that was basically the whole plot of the movie Faust. That was basically the whole movie. Guy wants to follow God. Guy sees girl. Girl turns out to be demon (literally- apparently her "face" was a mask and she was hideous beneath the surface). Guy dies in a horrible state of unrepentance. The devil's followers laugh at the end and get ready to pull in the next sucker.

I think my post is as long as a tree but it could be so much longer. As far as society... I feel like a person in a movie theater who thinks they should get a refund. I wanted to see a movie and they showed a completely different movie. So I feel not responsible for the movie that's being played because I wanted a completely different movie.

Anyways- the bottom line is that it's clear that society wants our souls. Society doesn't want to simply kill us or anything like that. Society doesn't want that. It simply wants people's souls. It is blatantly obvious. If that's not proof there's God, I don't know what is.

I will address this issue here only. [Some of your topics you mentioned deserve to be in general discussion, faith section or entertainment section. e.g. society trying to lure people into - according to religious viewpoint - all different types of sin, according to secular viewpoint - reversing of feminism ideals (making women value appearance/ sexuality more than self-development, male backlash against extreme feminism), music all about marketing not ability etc.]

You have mentioned a superficial factor to outsiders but an important factor in yourself that shows where MBTI test cannot be relied on completely to explain personal differences. It shows traits but does not explain the source.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia#Temporal_lobe_epilepsy
https://infogalactic.com/info/Geschwind_syndrome
There has been a lot of research that discredits the theory now, but these days there are a lot more anticonvulsant medications, especially for partial seizures. I doubt very much that the above personality traits are seen as intensely in patients, and I doubt very much that the average doctor is even keeping an eye out for personality changes anyway. If seizures are controlled, nothing else matters to doctors, including patients' mental health. (I know - I have lived through medicines and surgery, mild depression will always be there.)

I want you to take a step back and ask if you are seeing the world through smudged, mud-stained glasses that people with epilepsy often wear. If you are, consider researching all the health changes you can make to stabilise your blood sugar further, increase B vitamin intake, exercise, cognitive therapy /counselling** etc . I do not want you to blame the negative feelings you are experiencing purely on your MBTI personality traits, there could be way more involved in your case, just like mine.

** Of course we Intuitive trait people may be seeing reality, but we have to live (and therefore think) within a society with its head in sand in many areas whether we like it or not. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

 

[JoChris]

And to cheer up an INTP: I hope you like cats!

 

[Etagloc]

I will address this issue here only. [Some of your topics you mentioned deserve to be in general discussion, faith section or entertainment section. e.g. society trying to lure people into - according to religious viewpoint - all different types of sin, according to secular viewpoint - reversing of feminism ideals (making women value appearance/ sexuality more than self-development, male backlash against extreme feminism), music all about marketing not ability etc.]

You have mentioned a superficial factor to outsiders but an important factor in yourself that shows where MBTI test cannot be relied on completely to explain personal differences. It shows traits but does not explain the source.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia#Temporal_lobe_epilepsy
https://infogalactic.com/info/Geschwind_syndrome
There has been a lot of research that discredits the theory now, but these days there are a lot more anticonvulsant medications, especially for partial seizures. I doubt very much that the above personality traits are seen as intensely in patients, and I doubt very much that the average doctor is even keeping an eye out for personality changes anyway. If seizures are controlled, nothing else matters to doctors, including patients' mental health. (I know - I have lived through medicines and surgery, mild depression will always be there.)

I want you to take a step back and ask if you are seeing the world through smudged, mud-stained glasses that people with epilepsy often wear. If you are, consider researching all the health changes you can make to stabilise your blood sugar further, increase B vitamin intake, exercise, cognitive therapy /counselling** etc . I do not want you to blame the negative feelings you are experiencing purely on your MBTI personality traits, there could be way more involved in your case, just like mine.

** Of course we Intuitive trait people may be seeing reality, but we have to live (and therefore think) within a society with its head in sand in many areas whether we like it or not. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

Oh no, I feel perfectly fine. And I don't have epilepsy. Nor glasses, nor mud on said glasses. And I don't think my post was about feminism specifically. I didn't say anything about feminism. I mean I am against abortion but that post wasn't about feminism. It was about the more general topic of Western cultural decline.

Me myself- I feel fine.

But as far as conforming to society... I understand- women tend to back down and don't like to fight. I like to fight. Women and certain spineless men try to push this non-confrontational stuff. They're free to follow that and submissive behavior is fine in women.

I mean... I haven't said everything. You don't know me. I just sort of use this as a space to think out loud and people read my posts but don't know me- they've never been in a room with me.

As far as being on topic, I don't respect the artificial divisions. Everything is a connected in a totality. Therefore, thinking in unnatural divisions sterilizes the purity, intensity and focus of thought.

As far as my thinking.... the people who have known me... who've been in a room with me and heard the uncut versions of what I have to say- those people get shook. A lot of men have looked up to me.

Trust me, I'm doing fine.

I hear this all the time.... these calls to conform.

A lot of women I get it from and then a lot of scary-cat type men who reek estrogen.

I care nothing about what society thinks and I don't respect society.

Furthermore, I think it's weak. I think it's weak.

I smell fear and weakness reeking from it. And I'm supposed to be intimidated by it? I smell weakness reeking from it, I want to catch it off-guard and put a knife in its backbone. And do it quietly.

The system is weak. When I hear about society moving into civil war- I have to stop myself from getting excited and salivating.

The system is very vast. It has weak points. Place a sharp object in a weak point, do a twisting, turning motion, cover up what you've done and don't talk about it.

I don't say anything on this forum.

Conflict is all I know and I enjoy it. I love it. I get excited by it.

There was a famous Sino-Soviet Split. Maoist China said the Soviets were getting buddy-buddy with the Western imperialists.

The Maoists accused the Soviets of being traitors. We need to be hostile and belligerant- that needs to be our policy towards the imperialists, that was the Maoist line.

The Soviets were horrified lol. They were looking at the Maoists like the Maoists were savage. The Soviets wanted things like peace and holding hands.

I don't want peace. This life's natural state is conflict. Conflict is fertile. Peace is sterile. Scientists say the universe came from a Big Bang. No one says it came from a Big Whimper.

So I don't care about peace, hugs or holding hands. I detest the hippies. I'm with the Maoists. My avatar more than a year ago was Ricardo Flores Magón. He explained that life's natural state is conflict and I agree. He was against peace. He said "no queremos la paz" (we don't want peace). I almost want to cry that is so beautiful to me. That is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard. No peace, no compromise. He even said preaching peace is a crime and people who promote it should be targeted. I am amazed by his brilliance.

So yeah, Magón, Mao, Mussolini- I like them. I'm with the Maoists. The Soviets were acting like punks. I'm a Magónista- I agree with his stuff. When I was a kid, I wanted to be Mussolini. I don't agree with what he did in Ethiopia and I was sad when I found out.

So..... most people are civilians. The whole world is quietly at war. Most people get shook. But me, I intend to fight, I intend to win and I intend to go home with the spoils of victory or go out with honor.

But me personally..... insha'Allah I don't think I'll be stopped. I believe that insha'Allah I'm a force that will move whatever gets in the way of my aims. So.... I'm not worried.

I'm definitely against society (more specifically, the system) but I think society is dumb and weak and I'm not scared. I hear this stuff like what the Soviets told the Maoists. But I'm against society and I'm getting away and have been getting away with it since a long time ago. So the system can jump off a cliff and if I get a chance insha'Allah I'll push it off myself since I know other people will be too scared. If society wants to stop me I think it needs to kill me. If it doesn't do that and I doubt it will- then I don't see how it can stop me. So to you is your approach and to me is mine. You shouldn't try to psychoanalyze me because you've never met me and don't know me.

Yes, I am well aware that society is going off a cliff but that doesn't imply anything my personal life- which I don't talk about on here because that's my business. I don't wear glasses, much less with mud on them. No epilepsy. My health is fine.

I am well aware that society is going off a cliff but you shouldn't assume about me based on that. I know other people get shook or whatever but I'm not shook at all. I think I'm winning as far as things right now and believe I'll be winning in the future and I am opimistic and confident and I feel perfectly fine. Society can jump off a cliff. If society does that, that's not my problem. I'm not out to save society and I'm not worried about it. I have my own agenda and I'm pretty content.

Also I don't attribute things to my MBTI stuff. I don't really care about MBTI or take it seriously. It's something enjoyable to talk about since DR made a thread about it but it's not really something I think about. It is true that society is hostile towards INTPs, though. INTPs are well aware of it. It's because we know too much.

 

[Etagloc]

I feel bad because I feel like my post was hostile but I really don't like your post speculating things like me having "depression"...... I'm not depressed. I feel fine. I don't think it's cool to make up a bunch of assumpions about me just because I disagree with society.

It's very patronizing and full of false assumptions and attributes to me things I wasn't saying. I wasn't talking about music or feminism. Your post is way off in its speculations about me. I am fine. I don't need a person trying to psychoanalyze me while having never met me and knowing almost nothing about me.

Being intelligent enough to understand society for what it is isn't depressed- it's just being smart. I should see it for what it is. That's all it is. I have no need to be warm and fuzzy.

 

[JoChris]

I feel bad because I feel like my post was hostile but I really don't like your post speculating things like me having "depression"...... I'm not depressed. I feel fine. I don't think it's cool to make up a bunch of assumpions about me just because I disagree with society.

It's very patronizing and full of false assumptions and attributes to me things I wasn't saying. I wasn't talking about music or feminism. Your post is way off in its speculations about me. I am fine. I don't need a person trying to psychoanalyze me while having never met me and knowing almost nothing about me.

Being intelligent enough to understand society for what it is isn't depressed- it's just being smart. I should see it for what it is. That's all it is. I have no need to be warm and fuzzy.

OK, I must have misinterpreted what you said through my feeling glasses.
You must be the polar opposite to me in the feeling versus thinking department then.

 

[JoChris]

I mean... I haven't said everything. You don't know me. I just sort of use this as a space to think out loud and people read my posts but don't know me- they've never been in a room with me.

I realise now how much I used my own style of "feeling" thinking and assumed because I sometimes "felt" thought that way, that you would do the same.

Do you believe this is a common problem with "Feeling" thinking people? i.e. jump to conclusions too quickly about how everybody responds to things in life?
I believe I did this incorrectly: You said how you viewed the world and the way it was going ... I assumed therefore that would make YOU feel bad because it makes ME feel bad if I dwell on that type of topic long enough.
So apologies for giving you unwanted sympathy . Maybe that is partially why I bugged my INTJ sister!

I care nothing about what society thinks and I don't respect society.

Furthermore, I think it's weak. I think it's weak.

I smell fear and weakness reeking from it. And I'm supposed to be intimidated by it? I smell weakness reeking from it, I want to catch it off-guard and put a knife in its backbone. And do it quietly.

The system is weak. When I hear about society moving into civil war- I have to stop myself from getting excited and salivating.

The system is very vast. It has weak points. Place a sharp object in a weak point, do a twisting, turning motion, cover up what you've done and don't talk about it.

I don't say anything on this forum.

Conflict is all I know and I enjoy it. I love it. I get excited by it.

There was a famous Sino-Soviet Split. Maoist China said the Soviets were getting buddy-buddy with the Western imperialists.

The Maoists accused the Soviets of being traitors. We need to be hostile and belligerant- that needs to be our policy towards the imperialists, that was the Maoist line.

The Soviets were horrified lol. They were looking at the Maoists like the Maoists were savage. The Soviets wanted things like peace and holding hands.

I don't want peace. This life's natural state is conflict. Conflict is fertile. Peace is sterile. Scientists say the universe came from a Big Bang. No one says it came from a Big Whimper.

So I don't care about peace, hugs or holding hands. I detest the hippies. I'm with the Maoists. My avatar more than a year ago was Ricardo Flores Magón. He explained that life's natural state is conflict and I agree. He was against peace. He said "no queremos la paz" (we don't want peace). I almost want to cry that is so beautiful to me. That is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard. No peace, no compromise. He even said preaching peace is a crime and people who promote it should be targeted. I am amazed by his brilliance.

So yeah, Magón, Mao, Mussolini- I like them. I'm with the Maoists. The Soviets were acting like punks. I'm a Magónista- I agree with his stuff. When I was a kid, I wanted to be Mussolini. I don't agree with what he did in Ethiopia and I was sad when I found out.

So..... most people are civilians. The whole world is quietly at war. Most people get shook. But me, I intend to fight, I intend to win and I intend to go home with the spoils of victory or go out with honor.

But me personally..... insha'Allah I don't think I'll be stopped. I believe that insha'Allah I'm a force that will move whatever gets in the way of my aims. So.... I'm not worried.

I'm definitely against society (more specifically, the system) but I think society is dumb and weak and I'm not scared. I hear this stuff like what the Soviets told the Maoists. But I'm against society and I'm getting away and have been getting away with it since a long time ago. So the system can jump off a cliff and if I get a chance insha'Allah I'll push it off myself since I know other people will be too scared. If society wants to stop me I think it needs to kill me. If it doesn't do that and I doubt it will- then I don't see how it can stop me. So to you is your approach and to me is mine. You shouldn't try to psychoanalyze me because you've never met me and don't know me.

Yes, I am well aware that society is going off a cliff but that doesn't imply anything my personal life- which I don't talk about on here because that's my business. I don't wear glasses, much less with mud on them. No epilepsy. My health is fine.

I am well aware that society is going off a cliff but you shouldn't assume about me based on that. I know other people get shook or whatever but I'm not shook at all. I think I'm winning as far as things right now and believe I'll be winning in the future and I am opimistic and confident and I feel perfectly fine. Society can jump off a cliff. If society does that, that's not my problem. I'm not out to save society and I'm not worried about it. I have my own agenda and I'm pretty content.

Also I don't attribute things to my MBTI stuff. I don't really care about MBTI or take it seriously. It's something enjoyable to talk about since DR made a thread about it but it's not really something I think about. It is true that society is hostile towards INTPs, though. INTPs are well aware of it. It's because we know too much.

Well I reckon I am way too soft for your theoretical world because I only fight when I see no other alternative i.e. absolute last resort.

I think you fit INTJ in this chart more than INTP by the sounds of it!

 

[Etagloc]

I realise now how much I used my own style of "feeling" thinking and assumed because I sometimes "felt" thought that way, that you would do the same.

Do you believe this is a common problem with "Feeling" thinking people? i.e. jump to conclusions too quickly about how everybody responds to things in life?
I believe I did this incorrectly: You said how you viewed the world and the way it was going ... I assumed therefore that would make YOU feel bad because it makes ME feel bad if I dwell on that type of topic long enough.
So apologies for giving you unwanted sympathy . Maybe that is partially why I bugged my INTJ sister!


Well I reckon I am way too soft for your theoretical world because I only fight when I see no other alternative i.e. absolute last resort.

I think you fit INTJ in this chart more than INTP by the sounds of it!

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Don't worry- JoChris- I think everyone naturally looks in terms of how they think. Trust me- I do the same thing. I half-expect everyone to think like me and how others think is sort of inexplicable for me.

I think I would want to combine the INTP and INTJ approach in that picture. I like the INFJ in that picture. I like people who are idealistic like that.

 

[fire009_Flyer]

INFJ here! Took the test four times in a span of several months and came up with the same result so I'm going with that although I agree with what JoChris said about the MBTI, post #322. Also, confession: I used to wonder if I was crazy before I learned I was an INFJ which really helped me start on my journey of self-discovery. Anyway, this is a cool and fun thread and I'm glad I found it. I haven't studied the other personality types as much as my own so this is a great place to start! I've already learned so much!