BTS discussion thread

[Hopeful]

That thing related to shoes is also a superstition in my country. If you walk this way someone from your family will die soon. Anyway I don't believe in this kind of things but I am wondering where this came from

The black magic one is i believe to be true.. The rest about bringing badlucks and stuff is superstitious.
This video had been shared here before.. That Japanese people are also waking up..
And this pic will answer a bit about the boys dressings..

 

[Hopeful]

They call satan protector? wtf, how can u call the protector smbd who asks for blood sacrifice and violence?

He makes them live a life of deception.. Taking advantage by giving money or fame.. And also probably promising them immortality.. On which the scientists are already hard at work

 

[nad]

So, you’re telling US to not worry about them but here YOU are worrying about some theories, and acting like BT$ are affected and care. You’re also saying to let people live their lives, while here you are trying to control ours. Why are you trying to make a point when all you’re saying is hypocrisy?

I just tell you to be honest& stop hiding behind fake "concern" about BTS and admit you are their anti.
And I'm honest with you guys - I don't agree/dislike MOST of attitude of your theories.
""You’re also saying to let people live their lives, while here you are trying to control ours"". BTS are minding their own business and living their life/choices, they dont need your fake ""concern"". But you are busy with making theories that defame another people. It's not like I try to control your life (well, it would be funny if I could), I just express my views that's might be different from yours. It's not like I create crazy theories about YOUR personal life, family and artistic work to call it "control of life"/defamation.
My market segment - lurkers and understanding people.

 

[nad]

It's a free web, we can write what we want. Haven't u realised yet? Nobody's care for your opinion here. You can stay here and post another 100 messages here, but you still pointless. Nobody's care what in your eyes, I dont't think bts even have time to check your crazy tweets about them, they don't know about existence of this forum lol. You can defend their psychological condition as much as u want, but you better take care of your

Let me repeat - you see I comment here often) you try to bring here new people, so these new people will also see my 100 comments. And my comments will be about another point of view about your theories. Discussion of theories should be made from many worldviews and opinions. Openly.
It's not like I care that most of you dislike my commets because you don't like when people ask non-comfortable questions. I try to keep it peaceful and honest as much as I can.
Baby - your opinion about my post is not my target. But many lurkers that visit this forum.
Ah, BTS are busy and I hope they won't see this mess) but maybe their staff lol) Also my point of coming here not only because they are BTS, but they are victims of your possible witch-hunt. I'm pagan and I see that many of your are reaching about many things. That's mostly why I made my first comment a week ago.

 

[DarkAndWild]

Blah blah blah I’m just a delusional fan who can’t find anything better to do with my life than to obsess over conspiracists while claiming that anyone who has the audacity to share a different view of their oppas is an anti blah blah blah

Spoiler: TWO WORDS

IGNORE BUTTON

Anyway keep up with the theories and analysis guys they’re quite amazing I really enjoy reading all of them

 

[nad]

Oh I so have to comment on this.
"Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is." So they don't need yours/ARMYs care or concern about reporting anything negative said about them as a consequence of fame and being a celeb is negative comments, rumors and threats, a CHOICE THEY MADE TO BE APART OF. Just like in our eyes these things are just speculation and theories and in yours they're bad. Chew on that for awhile.

let me rephrase my words - they don't need concern from antis) Because they made choice and now apart of their company. If you are against actions of their company that creates their MV, clothing style, performance, somehow music, marketing strategy - you are against current BTS career. So you are antis of their action. Anti to them. You should undertand - they are core part/mast of this boat.
And ARMYs are encouraged to report pdf to Big Hit email so I guess they need supporters' concern and care.
""Negative comments, rumors and threat"" - you say like it's something really good and healthy. Them being possible sacrifice and their family members - occult sacrifice - well, how can you throw things like that to possibbly innocent people. Let me repeat again - witch hunt better stay in the Middle ages. Me as pagan person against you painting BTS as Satanists based on your own fears and culture.

 

[nad]

I see many other people have already brought this up so all I will say for you and any other lurkers who plan on trying to accuse us of slandering the boys:

PLEASE NOTE
Defemation: the act of defaming; false or unjustified injury to the good reputation of another by way of slander or libel

Theory:
a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact

BTS Anti (according to the urban dictionary lol): anyone who wishes for the demise of BTS, harrasses the members, makes hate pages toward them and frowns when they hear of BTS's success.

The very first post on this thread informs viewers that nothing here is being stated as fact or truth. Posters add that disclaimer on nearly every single thing they post. Maybe reread VC's terms and conditions. No one is going around claiming anything here is the truth on social media -that would be slander. Instead we're trying to dissect and discuss things we notice like normal people. No one is directing hatred toward BTS. The most you'll see is real concern for the members. Not the fake concern the majority of ARMY have where they try to control every aspect of their "idols's" life. If you want to calmly debate certain theories, that's fine. But saying all the bull you're saying just goes to show that maybe you believe some of this stuff and just badly don't want it to be true. No one is forcing you to stay here and read these posts, there a million out there for fangirling over the boys.
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Lol. Thank you for message of course. But bring here the ""foreign to topic"" people who are not even biased and ask if the theories about grandmas sacrifice, members as illuminati puppets/slaves that manipulate fans to obsession, Namjoon as handler (lol), future member death/suicide, Big Hit as as Satanic company - could be considered as ""Defemation: the act of defaming; false or unjustified injury to the good reputation of another by way of slander or libel""?? I guess they could agree with me.

Somehow you guys are creating injury because made many fans literally to be scared to sleep in dark after reading your funny theories (joke), maybe without intention you made many people consider it as pure truth especialy after tying it with own religion. For example, my religion is complete opposite to yours so of course there is place for misunderstading. But we shouldn't blow up our religious differencies till the point of accusing other religion members (maybe BTS, who know maybe they are biddhists?) in evil behavior/mindset. Not christian doesn't mean bad. This is my point from pagan culture.
BTS are not about religion since there are many many different views in the world. BTS are about music and social awareness.

p.s. ""no one is directing hatred toward BTS"" - I'm just curious is anyone from this thread stand by Namjoon side when you guys accused him in beig evil/handler? Or silent agreement? Common mind?
Has anyone said one positive thing about him? He gets only hate here I see.

 

[nad]

Blah blah blah I’m just a delusional fan who can’t find anything better to do with my life than to obsess over conspiracists while claiming that anyone who has the audacity to share a different view of their oppas is an anti blah blah blah

Spoiler: TWO WORDS

IGNORE BUTTON

Anyway keep up with the theories and analysis guys they’re quite amazing I really enjoy reading all of them

If you against their action and the company they built with their blood, sweat, tear - of course you are anti.
And I guess I met you on twitter. We even had cute conversation there. But you blocked me. You were busy commenting/agreeing under each tweet about "bts illuminati" despite you being "fan", well. Am I right?

 

[ShiningCarat14]

I just tell you to be honest& stop hiding behind fake "concern" about BTS and admit you are their anti.
And I'm honest with you guys - I don't agree/dislike MOST of attitude of your theories.
""You’re also saying to let people live their lives, while here you are trying to control ours"". BTS are minding their own business and living their life/choices, they dont need your fake ""concern"". But you are busy with making theories that defame another people. It's not like I try to control your life (well, it would be funny if I could), I just express my views that's might be different from yours. It's not like I create crazy theories about YOUR personal life, family and artistic work to call it "control of life"/defamation.
My market segment - lurkers and understanding people.

So you’re saying you’d like controlling someone smh
You said you want to provide different viewpoints but every post seems to be talking about the same thing I’m trying really hard to understand the purpose of you coming in to a thread if you dislike and are repeating that you want to give different viewpoints but you haven’t at all in any of your previous posts it baffles me that you called yourself and your “beautiful saviour of a man” Yoong! A Prophet I don’t know what to say about that other than May God help you
And for the 100th time they are assumptions not true facts And many of the lurkers come here because they find things suspicious there are only some who want to make irrelevant and closeminded statements and some like you are brave and bored enough to do so (seeing as you think that this thread is a load of rubbish you must find it boring but still come on)

 

[ShiningCarat14]

Well, English is my 3rd language. What I meant by prophet - I have prophetic dreams that come true and many times I can feel things before they happen. How do you call it in English? Prophet, predictor, fortune-teller? Help me. I can see things in clouds/fire/and find lost things. I can break things, especially electronics gadgets.
But it's not the point.
Why I come here - because study different social situation+religions+geopolitics (when I first came here I found some things very interesting but with many things I didn't agree - that's why I decided to publish my first comment).
I see BTS are not Christian as me (I'm pagan and believe in forces of Nature/Cosmos). So my point -what if BTS are pagan or buddhist or another non-christian religion. But not Christian doesn't mean bad. My people have shamans that give sacrifice to fire (bread) and worship the Sun/the Moon but we are not bad guys. The second point - we shouldn't blow up our religious differencies till the point of calling each other/another religion people/BTS evil/bad/satanic/negative whatever.

So you have premonitions lots of people have these abilities and I believe they are given from God for reasons idk to brand yourself as a Prophet or someone else as a Prophet too is a very big sin in my religion
I’m not a Christian and I respect all beliefs but what I don’t respect is manipulation and Satanism it does exist Ik people that are satanists and have sacrificed much more than what you do in your beliefs so it does happen and a lot of these things they show us may not seem like anything individually but added together give a horrible reality call that some of us believe These are not just concepts in my eyes

 

[nad]

So you have premonitions lots of people have these abilities and I believe they are given from God for reasons idk to brand yourself as a Prophet or someone else as a Prophet too is a very big sin in my religion
I’m not a Christian and I respect all beliefs but what I don’t respect is manipulation and Satanism it does exist Ik people that are satanists and have sacrificed much more than what you do in your beliefs so it does happen and a lot of these things they show us may not seem like anything individually but added together give a horrible reality call that some of us believe These are not just concepts in my eyes

If I will see with my own eyes that BTS participate in ritual of bloody human sacrifice - of course I will agree that they are wrong.
But untill this point - all they do is pretty normal for me as pagan.
About prophet - in my language ""аьа//5ас истэ/эх"" -maybe I used wrong translation? So tell that you are "aha5a//c истэ/эх" - is not a sin in my culture, since we always have many shamans/predictors etc. in our nation. But I'm not shaman, it's too high level for me average human.
Disclaimer - I don agree with blood human sacrifice - it's stupid in my eyes since even these crazy people's ""Satan"" doesn't need this silly primitive tasteless ritual.

 

[1shae123]

So you have premonitions lots of people have these abilities and I believe they are given from God for reasons idk to brand yourself as a Prophet or someone else as a Prophet too is a very big sin in my religion
I’m not a Christian and I respect all beliefs but what I don’t respect is manipulation and Satanism it does exist Ik people that are satanists and have sacrificed much more than what you do in your beliefs so it does happen and a lot of these things they show us may not seem like anything individually but added together give a horrible reality call that some of us believe These are not just concepts in my eyes

Idk, I think for christianity, some people are given the gift of prophecy. But that doesn't mean everyone has it, and some people who can abuse it for evil. So, idk... I doubt that the gift of prophecy is the case in this situation tho :/

 

[nad]

Do you seriously think that anyone partaking in human sacrifice would expose themselves? Especially if they are in a position of fame and influence? Listen, you don't have to believe any of our theories. That's all they are, no one here claimed anything here to be actual fact, we talk about things within a hypothetical discourse. But you've done nothing but disrespect users, make fun of theories and try to stir dissent in this thread. This is so pathetic. The entire point of this thread is to discuss BT$'s potential ties to the elite/Illuminati. What is the purpose of following and trolling a thread with the sole purpose of spouting the same garbage over and over again about how the very purpose of this thread is wrong? It is not the fault of anyone here that you clearly do not know how a forum works. If you want to find antis, go online and you'll find plenty of them. No one here is starting rumours, no one here is posting our theories all over other social media sites with the intent of ruining the boys's career. Please if you are incapable of civil, reasonable discourse, remove yourself from this thread and find another hobby. You're achieving nothing here.

""No one here is starting rumours, no one here is posting our theories all over other social media sites with the intent of ruining the boys's career."" - what about your Youtube video where you even give link this forum) and let me tell you a secret - some user of this thread is leaving links to this forum under each "bts illuminati" tweet. This is how I found you guys - from social media) this is price for your marketing and popularity - curious people like me) tadaan)
I told you again - all your theories about elites/illuminati/occult/satanism/negative/bad/evil BTS might be considered as painting as evil boys personal beliefs (pagan, buddhist, hinduists etc.) and hobby (toys, favourites artists, brands).

 

[nad]

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I AM A LURKER. You say you're open minded yet you're on a conspiracy theory forum negating everyone's THEORIES while defending those boys like every other ARMY because you can't fathom anything negative being said about them and paint everyone as anti's because of it, right????

BTS doesn't need your concern either. They couldn't give 2 sh*ts about the people on this forum or you so stop looking for attention and crying about it on here and concerning yourself with conversations that have nothing to do with you.

I might consider myself as more open minded since I dont paint your religion as evil. But you are busy drawing line between your own belief and other religions and call it satanism/bad.

 

[Lunatic]

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I might consider myself as more open minded since I dont paint your religion as evil. But you are busy drawing line between your own belief and other religions and call it satanism/bad.

Who said I even had a religion????? I don't but thanks for the assumption weirdo.

 

[nad]

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He makes them live a life of deception.. Taking advantage by giving money or fame.. And also probably promising them immortality.. On which the scientists are already hard at work

Immortality - sounds romantic but imagine how would it be boring)

 

[Lunatic]

""No one here is starting rumours, no one here is posting our theories all over other social media sites with the intent of ruining the boys's career."" - what about your Youtube video where you even give link this forum) and let me tell you a secret - some user of this thread is leaving links to this forum under each "bts illuminati" tweet. This is how I found you guys - from social media) this is price for your marketing and popularity - curious people like me)

So lemme get this straight, someone is posting the link to a conspiracy theory forum under a tweet discussing said conspiracy theories and in your eyes that's people "defaming and harassing" people when it's merely people with the same interests and mentality wanting to converse about it in more depth??? That's the dumbest sh*t I've heard from you yet.

 

[nad]

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Who said I even had a religion????? I don't but thanks for the assumption weirdo.

If you don't have religion/belief why you kind of consume these theories about Lucifer, Satan, Anti-Christ, Illuminati etc? Aren't these words empty sound for you?

 

[Lunatic]

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If you don't have religion/belief why you kind of consume these theories about Lucifer, Satan, Anti-Christ, Illuminati etc? Aren't these words empty sound for you?

You're literally the dumbest person ever. The same goes for you considering your beliefs don't reflect any of the things you just mentioned either.

 

[nad]

So lemme get this straight, someone is posting the link to a conspiracy theory forum under a tweet discussing said conspiracy theories and in your eyes that's people "defaming and harassing" people when it's merely people with the same interests and mentality wanting to converse about it in more depth??? That's the dumbest sh*t I've heard from you yet.

Thanks to @KingOfTheRock for great explanatin of defamation:

""Defemation: the act of defaming; false or unjustified injury to the good reputation of another by way of slander or libel""

False/unjustified - right, since it's your subjective imagination based on non-proved assumption, your fears and own belief.

Injury to good reputation of another - right. Reputation of BTS is as good and hardworking people. But you "innocent theories" shade it, cross the line till the point of creating "theory" about them being occultist who are agree to be slave or puppet for handler/protector, agree to human sacrifice (grandmas), agree to work in Satanic company.
By way of slander or libel - it's pure slander because their "evil action" are not proved in court. Not fact. Just you drawing a line between religions and busy claiming foreing religion/belief is bad/evil/satanic.