BTS discussion thread

[catalenaah]

Do you think all people that perform in America made blood contract? All?
As if it's a big sale in walmart magazine?
And for what they sold their soul for? Having a bunch of fangirls that spam twitter no stop(a thing that they already did)?
I'm not saying BTS are not popular(i've always been fighting in the other thread about the misconception they are not popular), i'm just saying you can't compare their history/popularity with the celbrities that are obviusly under elite protection.
Under elite protection you become popular much earlier than BTS, you reach the top of chart imediately, you are raised to do that.
You don't sell your soul for a bunch of crazed fangirl spamming twitter...
If after this performance things are somehow changed we will see soon.

No offense but I don't think you understand how the industry works, you see why would their MV be filled of symbolism if they're not pawns? They've been trainees since very young aka they have been getting groomed to be part of the brainwashing for the elites agenda. I mean it doesn't matter where they are the most famous in Kpop in general is heavily influenced by satanism. Check out some of the post that VC has made on red velvet. I think some people are in denial that because they seem like such humble nice kids they would not be part of it but looks are deceiving. Just take a look at Rihanna girl from Barbados, Island gal very humble sweet and down to earth... next album Good girl gone bad and it all went downhill from there. Even for her it took time for her to be as huge as she is now and it's speculated that at her first meeting with Jay-Z she was signed under asap they were kept in the room for like 6-8 hrs because he was scared she'd say no. Once she signed it wasn't like day and night that she exploded, she was being groomed for the lime light. No offence I don't mean to come off as rude, I am simply stating my opinion on this topic

 

[MochiAmour]

I believe they did sell their souls tho, I feel like the reason why they didn’t rise to fame in the western world as quickly and earlier as those in the elite is because of the language and cultural barrier, people are still much more close minded, they have a lot of western fans, but not as much as they would want for effective brainwashing, look at boybands that were in the elite like the Beatles or 1D for example, they’re practically foreigners in USA since they’re both British, but because their songs were in English, it reached a wider audience, they gained popularity relatively quickly, making it much more easier for the elite to take them under their wings at an earlier stage. I think with BTS they are slowly trying to expose them to a lot of westerners, until they gain a certain amount of fans before they could fully rise to fame under the elite

I agree with you on everything. They've sold their souls long ago and it happened in Korea. Evil doesn't only exist in the US, it's everywhere. Although, after the BBMAs and seeing the reactions they've been receiving, I don't believe they'll get any bigger to be initiated as 'top puppets' by the elite in the west anyways.

ARMYs have officially overshadowed them and I think this is the beginning of the end for the boys. Not only in the US either.

 

[DarkAndWild]

I agree with you on everything. They've sold their souls long ago and it happened in Korea. Evil doesn't only exist in the US, it's everywhere. Although, after the BBMAs and seeing the reactions they've been receiving, I don't believe they'll get any bigger to be initiated as 'top puppets' by the elite.

ARMYs have officially overshadowed them and I think this is the beginning of the end for the boys. Not only in the US either.

Exactly...Sad to say this, but that psychic was right, Armys will be their downfall, if not sooner then later

 

[Maggieca]

Do you think all people that perform in America made blood contract? All?
As if it's a big sale in walmart magazine?
And for what they sold their soul for? Having a bunch of fangirls that spam twitter no stop(a thing that they already did)?
I'm not saying BTS are not popular(i've always been fighting in the other thread about the misconception they are not popular), i'm just saying you can't compare their history/popularity with the celbrities that are obviusly under elite protection.
Under elite protection you become popular much earlier than BTS, you reach the top of chart imediately, you are raised to do that.
You don't sell your soul for a bunch of crazed fangirl spamming twitter...
If after this performance things are somehow changed we will see soon.

when you perform at a major music award you have to be part of it. I already said it a million times but I strongly believe that to to reach that level you can't be innocent

And I dont think BTS made the deal to have fangirls, I believe they made the deal because they wanted money.
do you think they are earning nothing for all those contracts with big companies like Coca cola?? they are also earning money for their million album sold and their sold out tour. and who is buying those albums and tickets? fangirls, they are making them rich and thats what they want

reading your comments i can see you believe BTS dont care about america wich no offence but for me it's completely absurd
they are having their comeback stage in america because they dont care? and they are touring america for 2 months because they dont care?
last year they literally made a presss conference to talk about the BBMAs, how can we think they dont care? Makes no sense to me

 

[MochiAmour]

I never said they don't care about america, i said that what they care the most is the success in Korea, it's a big difference.
Obviusly if they get success in america they are happy, and they are trying their best to have a good result now that they are at their peak of popularity.
America is using them, they definately are aware of that, RM is no stupid, but they are using america as well, no matter how it will end in a year they already reached iconic status in Korea.

What makes you think they care about success in Korea the most? Because they're Korean?? If anything, they seem to care about Japan more than there.

 

[Obsidian]

BT*$ have had a fairly exponential rise in their success and popularity. Their MV's do have (quite obvious, at times) pointers to the 'occult'. Maybe when they first started, they were free from any 'contracts' but I strongly doubt that's the case now.

Serving the agenda doesn't necessarily mean an artist becomes a global superstar. Artists also have to serve the agenda in particular regions.

Even if the members are 'occultists' that doesn't automatically make them 'bad' individually in my eyes (for now). If we get to the point of sacrifice (murder) and that kind of thing, then that's a different ball game altogether. I'll judge then.

Frolicking with entities, pacts, magic, symbolism, spells, serving a certain agenda for personal gain, eh. I'm quite apathetic about the agenda, but I see their 'service' as a sort of education for those who are not entirely asleep. This is how the world's been for a long time, it is what it is.

 

[Maggieca]

And why do you think you know better than me how industry works?
Only because we disagree?

Only because you see an animal print and a V sign you are sure they sold souls and me searching for more proves make me naive?
I'm being realistic here, BTS may even be ready to sell whatever they had( but not going to any parties), body and souls but you think elite gives success that easely?
What if for them their souls has no value at all?

Have you ever thought that the people WILLING to sell their souls for success are more than the effective demands from the elites?

I already explained that if they sold anything you will see a change, you will see them topping the charts, no excuse about "b..but...they are korean...", no excuse, if elite chose them they reach at least top10.

its not only the animal print we have talked about the symbolism in all their videos
do you seriously think its normal for a kpop group to have this dark concept and even mention abraxas in their videos?

If that's the case and you think this is just a concept then I wonder why you felt the need to look for this forum
Im honeslty curious, if you don't see anything weird happening and nothing supsicious in their videos and songs then why a thread "BTS and the illuminati" would be interesting to you

 

[Maggieca]

What makes you think they care about success in Korea the most? Because they're Korean?? If anything, they seem to care about Japan more than there.

exactly, they pay extra attention to Japan and The US because that's where the money is
they are korean but they are a boyband and a product before anything else. They go where the money is

 

[blissfate]

sorry i laughed cuz I'm being relatable here. I don't dare to listen to any of their performances or noises anymore

Health>BTS

 

[MochiAmour]

Because if they cared about america the most they would have made a album in english.

Anyway am i allowed to have a different opinion or i am pointed as the "one who doesn't understand how the industry works" only beacuse i wait to see the results of this sales of the century?

There's never been a demand for them to record in English. But if they really want mainstream success, they'll eventually have no choice if they want to appeal to the GP outside of ARMYs.

You're free to have an opinion. It's just quite obvious you don't want them having any success in America why you always downplay them as never considering the west a priority. You even said before that if they announced their CB at the BBMAs you'd be finished with them and not long after they confirmed it. You're biased towards them only being in Asia and that's fine just don't try to make it seem like your views are their views.

 

[Chic]

And why do you think you know better than me how industry works?
Only because we disagree?

Only because you see an animal print and a V sign you are sure they sold souls and me searching for more proves make me naive?
I'm being realistic here, BTS may even be ready to sell whatever they had( but not going to any parties), body and souls but you think elite gives success that easely?
What if for them their souls has no value at all?

Have you ever thought that the people WILLING to sell their souls for success are more than the effective demands from the elites?

I already explained that if they sold anything you will see a change, you will see them topping the charts, no excuse about "b..but...they are korean...", no excuse, if elite chose them they reach at least top10.

Well, Sug@ did say he wished to reach Billboard Hot 10 and to get a Grammy. Sug@ names it and claims it lol. Seems like whenever he says he wants something they get it. If that does happen, which I'm gathering due to the lack of sales for the current album is impossible at this time, then that will truly make me suspicious about everything.

 

[Chic]

why are you all under the impression i think they hate international success?
If they hated they wouldn't have gone to BBMas right?
I just said that american success isn't usually long lasting for outsiders and they are aware of it.

I don't have the impression you think that. I actually agree with you on some points as I said in my first reply to you.

 

[Maggieca]

Dark concepts are only allowed if you are under elite control?
Have you ever went to korean webtoons ? Korea love dark concepts.

I have explained myself hundreds of times:
Idol industry is NOT innocent, they may have used subliminal messages in their video/songs, that's a realistic possibility.
But for being under elite control i need more proves, i see more dark concepts and "illuminati"-whatever hints in other KPop groups than BTS and they had 0 international success.

In my opinion, having dark concept once or twice is completely different than having all your videos related to this topic

And nobody here needs to prove anything to anyone, we discuss these topics because we believe something more is happening and that's why we created the thread in the first place
Nobody is forced to be part of it but I would think if they searched for the thread then they are open to accept the posibility

 

[blissfate]

That's something you can tell to everyone in this thread then, this thread is based on us making assumption about them after all.
So please, don't act like you all know it better than others, you know nothing outside your own believes.
I'm ready to change idea, unlike probably most of you, if i see effective changes.

How have u not seen their attitude on stage change drastically?
Or Jimin changing personalities or other members changing personalities
?? There are just some things that aren't what they seem and don't seem to have logical explainations

 

[MochiAmour]

That's something you can tell to everyone in this thread then, this thread is based on us making assumption about them after all.
So please, don't act like you all know it better than others, you know nothing outside your own believes.
I'm ready to change idea, unlike probably most of you, if i see effective changes.

I'm talking about them supposedly not considering America as a priority according to you. Why are you trying to change the context? And that's not an assumption either, it's fact.

 

[Chic]

Yea sorry, i was mostly explaining again to all the other messages, i am just a bit exasperated at explaining over and over again.

It seems like i'm "downplaying BTS american success" when i just stated facts about them not being in any top charts, and i'm a bit tired of being misunderstood.
English is not my language and it's tiring at this point.

Everyone here contributes various opinions. Collectively, we're all here because we know there's more than what meets the eye.

Since signing on with Columbia, I'm waiting to see how much radio play they'll receive.
BTS has "success" in America in terms of exposure. They're the hot topic and current trend of boy bands. It's unforeseen if they struck a lucrative deal that will bring them enough longevity here.
I think their MAMA BS&T performance (one of my favs I hate to say) was the one that sealed the deal for them.

Sidenote: When they appeared on Ellen the last time is when I first heard someone comparing them to The Beatles. Blew my mind when she said it.

 

[catalenaah]

Exactly...Sad to say this, but that psychic was right, Armys will be their downfall, if not sooner then later

yes because they are so in denial, like someone can hold proof in front of them and they'll say "

How have u not seen their attitude on stage change drastically?
Or Jimin changing personalities or other members changing personalities
?? There are just some things that aren't what they seem and don't seem to have logical explainations

I know! Jimin is my fav and it sucks seeing how much he's changing, it's like hes going backwards in a way. In his Vlive he was acting strange like someone was watching him (besides us ofcourse lol) and how he kept glitching idk it was odd

 

[MochiAmour]

What context you talking about?
Isn't this thread about us making assumptions or you know BTS thoughts more than others?

Wow, they've literally said and eluded countless times how much they want success in America. Sorry - but that's not me pushing my views onto them when those thoughts come right from their own mouths themselves.

 

[Chic]

I know! Jimin is my fav and it sucks seeing how much he's changing, it's like hes going backwards in a way. In his Vlive he was acting strange like someone was watching him (besides us ofcourse lol) and how he kept glitching idk it was odd

It was so hard watching him on their comeback preview special.

 

[blissfate]

Because...i dance myself, on stage people fake.
We all fake on stage.
We interpret the song like actors, that's the way it is.

i dont mean just on stage...vlives too
how is glitching on a vlive normal? Unless you're being manipulated, drugged, or controlled