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I tried purchasing tickets to their Chicago concert they are there for 2 days and guess what sold out in 15 min! Only seats available were over 1k. They sold out their concert in the states. All shows in America are sold out. If that isn’t success they I don’t know what it is, the arenas are huge here but yup all sold out
In Newark, most of the tickets aren’t actually made available to purchase at all. Only 14% of fans were actually able to get tickets. Most of the tickets are scalped tickets and the other tickets are season tickets that non kpop fans are selling at high prices to make up for how much they paid for season passes.

So while the event IS sold out, that doesn’t mean that actual fans got all the tickets.
 

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I found this interesting .. And i wanted to share this here..
Upon being asked again and again by the army fans that why are they being asked the same questions again and again.. One of the boys's interviewer tweeted that they are not allowed to ask them anything out of the questions given by the band's management ... I wanted to attach a screenshot but i don't know why i couldn't .. An error occured on attachment of a file.. So I'm giving the link instead...


I thought everyone knew this :/
 

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Anyone noticed that V's appearance is kinda similar to John Lennon from the Beatles? Glasses, long hair, clothing in that interview...I had to do a double take...I was like he looks like John Lennon. So hippies’ vibe.
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Then I thought the boys' success has been mentioned by some fans to be quite similar to the Beatles, who were a worldwide phenomenon.
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In fact, the boys have gained so much international popularity and it keeps increasing, at least through social media they're known by a lot of younger generations, Kpop fans, and they're pushing for more niches with their US performances and radio play, and then there's their upcoming world tour in Europe and other countries. If they keep this up, they might just be the next Beatles I think.

Sure, the Beatles are on another level, in a time where they were singing for a specific audience, about peace and love, about societal issues and so on. [Sounds similar to a certain Korean group speaking about struggles of youth, societal pressure, depression and self-love, right?]
John was an anti-war protester and activist, spoke against society, had issues with the US, amongst other things. He was one of the most successful celebrities of his time, especially after he went solo.
Also, he had issues with Paul McCartney, his bandmate, allegedly about the music, which led to the group disbanding. [Hm]
But you know what? The Beatles did have great songs and were the best band of their time and still remembered even today. But they also were heavily influenced by satanism.

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John was also an anti-christian, as you can see. And a follower of Aleister crowley's luciferian teachings.

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The Beatles did promote a lot the YOLO ideology. Sang about lucifer with their song "Lucy in the sky". Hit songs like "Imagine" by John Lennon is clear as day. It certainly promotes positivity and to learn to be peaceful and to love each other, but it's more about Yolo in my opinion. Imagine there's no heaven, no hell, all the people living just for today. Sounds like exactly what everyone is starting to do more and more around the world.

Something the boys have done with "Go Go" and the cyphers too where they diss antis, and boast about fame and money.

I wonder if the staff and the people behind the group are not also using the Beatles' effect with their so-called concepts. I remember a quote by John and I even found a pic of it:

"We need to learn to love ourselves first, [...] If we cannot love ourselves, we cannot fully open to our ability to love others or our potential to create."

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Similar to what the whole LY concept is about right? It might be a reach, making connections like these between the two groups, but the Elite love influencial celebrities that can promote their agendas. I think they used the Beatles for that time, tried maybe with backstreet boys and nsync, 1D later on, and now we have Bangtan.

Though, they contradict themselves what with the lyrics being so angst-y, about fear (Magic Shop exchanging fear thingy), and dark side of Love in this new comeback. They want to empower the fans AND themselves (NamJ' said himself that he still doesn't love himself after all this time and wants to achieve that with the fans, before he dies. That's worrisome -.- ) to love themselves first so they can enjoy life and fall in love and so on. Find some inner peace and happiness, I suppose.

Sure, the message sounds great and all, positive in hindsight. However, the MVs and the story line with the symbolism, the connotations of sacrifice, death, suicide, and abuse…Even some songs in their albums make no sense of being related to Love or acceptance of oneself, they are far too sad and could be interpreted in different ways which leave the fans to speculate about the meaning. So, they say it's a fan song, or it's about love, it's about the dark side of love etc...Hardcore fans will believe what they say and accept it at face value, unfortunately. Obviously, they won't be spilling all the truth out there about the evil deal they made, what happens behind the scenes, the real reason and story from their MVs. It would be too dangerous, fans would realize, would worry, would feel betrayed if they understood the reality of the music industry and that even they have become a part of this whole masquerade and agenda of the elite. The elite doesn’t want that: for people to be aware, remember that.

Not sure if the boys truly know what their so called concept is about. When they are asked questions about it, they avoid eye contact, look uncomfortable, play with their hands, and let the leader answer. Said leader, himself, is uncomfortable, stutters and gives no cohesive answers. His english slightly got worse? He’s unsure and not confident. He’s blatantly lying and can't find any other bulls*** to pull, so he keeps saying the same “explore dark side of love” “love yourself” “inspiration from books, movies, going to the park, just like every artist does” and so on. It's so obvious.

If their concept is truly about love, even the gloomy side of being in love or struggles of loving yourself, why not be explicit about it? Be to the point at least in your interviews, the album is already out, not need to try so hard to be mysterious about the concept. It makes it shady and all the more obvious they have no idea, have no involvement in their “concept”. They just do what they are ordered to do, in my opinion.

The boys have changed a lot over the years, from hip-hop genre to a more versatile kpop group which now has got more western songs with autotune and collabs to target the US market. This new album, personally, has no appeal to me.

Ever heard of the Beatle Mania? Basically celebrity worship. The Beatles were worshipped. Now, we have fandoms, stans, soft and hardcore ones hyping up the boys, just like with the beatles, just differently. But not so different, the mentality of some is pretty much the same. Screaming, crying, fangirling, putting them on a pedestal…And obviously as soon as they make a statement or an opinion about anything, it becomes valid as if they’re experts. “What an intellectual” “I stan Kings” etc... Let’s not get started on the clothes they wear, or accessories they use. Everything is under scrutiny and the fans are ready to hype it, buy it and use it, no matter how expensive or useless it may be for them. They’re brainwashed.

Army, was supposedly standing for adorable representative MC for youth? They don’t mention it anymore. Kinda cringey to begin with. But I doubt they were serious about it. They truly meant it as an army for the boyscouts. They knew they’d reach this level of fame. That they’d have truly an army of fans ready to protect, serve, and “love” them. A love more obsessive than anything. At least, the ones behind the creation of the group are in the know-how, after all they came up with the group’s name, the fandom’s, and definetely their concept. Whether it’s all the PD’s idea or other staff involved, who knows. Everything is not a coincidence, as they always say and sing about.

Now, it’s a new generation, new time, new age with technology (social media and internet). It means more opportunities and vehicles to enslave more people to worship celebrities that push agendas and more propaganda. The Hallyu wave brought much to SK and the Korean pop music just transcended many barriers and reached many countries all over the world.
So, the elite see this new group, appealing, talented, young, passionate, with a huge fanbase already which keeps increasing, and they are willing (or not but their company sure is) to go further up the pyramid of fame. Of course, they'd support them, throw them in the western industry to gain more popularity, more followers, with other celebrities backing them and hyping them. Agendas are pushed, fans are brainwashed, companies and celebrities get more money, fame, and spotlight. And everyone's happy. The devil's snickering around, his followers are doing great and more sheeple are in a trance and won't know what hit them when antichrist shows up. This, of course, doesn't pertain only to the boys' influence. It's so much more complex than that. The music and entertainment industries are just the tip of the iceberg. It's just distraction and brainwashing 101 for the Elite. I used the boys just as an exemple of how dangerous this whole idol worshipping is leading us to.

Many have speculated over the storyline that SeokJ and taetae might be sacrificed right? Also, I remembered that Chimchim had been threatened by an anon to be shot or something along those lines. And there was a picture of both SeokJ and chimchim wearing the same outfit and looking earily similar. Was it the company's way of protecting him? By putting his hyung in the same outfit to confuse the person? Wow smart move. Of course, let's put the hyung who's being allegedly killed off or sacrificed himself for his dongsaengs in the storyline out there to protect chimchim. Let's turn him into a hero. A martyr. Who sacrificed his everything for his brothers. Isn't that what we have seen countless times through their interactions, and through the theories? The way he is treated is like a puppet to use and dispose of whenever needed. That's the feeling I get.

Besides that, we have taetae and JeonK who seem to have gained in this comeback more spotlight.
The way I see it in Fake <3 both roles they play are the following:

- taetae is basically someone who's been heavily influenced by the devil, once was an apprentice, he simply rose higher now and became officially a pawn of the devil [hence, the "save me" inverted "i'm fine" duality in his segment. It shows that he's under influence and wants saving, yet another part of him is fine with the situation. He willingly joined at first. Or was born into it and eased into accepting the evil deal. He may regret now.]

- the other role played by JeonK: he tried to stay pure and innocent, he saw his hyungs hurting and fighting temptation and falling for it one after the other. He tried to help SeokJ to get them out alive, in vain. He keeps running around, fighting demons, trying to get to his hyungs and get them out of their cells. Get them out of their mk-ultra imprisonment chambers, if you want.

SeokJ even gave himself up to gain power to protect them (in wonder's euphoria: symbolized by sending JeonK to save Sugar, Jay to save taetae and so on but failed to save them all, chimchim was left alone in that hospital right? no matter what he tried he couldn't save them all, and couldn't save himself. He even sacrificed himself instead of taetae.)
But JeonK somehow was the key. The sole remaining member, the trump card, the one still not fully corrupted. He could still attempt to help and save everyone, or could fall for the trick and end up like them all. Hence, the curtains segment of both SeokJ/JeonK, the hyung sees the last one attempting to run from the devil, JeonK sees his hyungs in their cells in trances, not trying to seek aid, they gave up. SeokJ is always seen sad and resolute like he lost all his soul and all his strength. In the end, he couldn't protect the last flower in that lantern.
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It turned to sand/ashes, because the devil's fire consumed it. The devil got JeonK and consumed him as well. The last one ended up joining the masked man who was waiting for him with the other 6 coat racks. Either he got him because he gave up the fight (he was in torn clothes at the end), or he played a game and lost. Since he couldn't run away from it and give up his hyungs, the only way for him to survive is to accept the outcome. At least, he'll be with his hyungs.

The fire explosion, the water flooding, the wind ripping apart, the sneakers mountain/probably actual pills just censored, the phones' flashes, NamJ' isolation with his fear of self-love in front of that mirror...all of those were tricks of the devil to keep them all chained. When JeonK lost or gave up the fight, tired from running, he found that door. It opened for him. Remember the key given to him in the teaser? Maybe it symbolized that he was the key to open the doors for his hyungs to be saved, but by losing the game against the devil/masked man, he ended up torn apart, tired, and the only door to open for him was that of the devil himself. He was tricked and ended up welcomed to that room where he'll join his hyungs who already gave their souls and what remains of them are their skeletons/symbolized by the coat racks. Sorry for the terms, just my theory and opinion of what everything means.

Overall, the mv minus the choreo (as I didn't analyze it yet) is about JeonK officially being accepted by the elite, or letting himself fully be brainwashed. He's in now just like the rest of the members. Some sort of initiation? There's nothing to initiate. I think he was aware of things, but was kept away from most rituals or didn't know much of what was going. But now he's officially aware of the industry, of the evil deal. He was the youngest when they started. He was influenced by the others and protected. He's an adult now and not so naive. Wouldn't the fact that he wrote a song for this album be some sort of gift/reward of him accepting the full responsibility of shaking hands with the devil?

Concerning the lyrics, I think many verses talk about JeonK, from the view point of his hyungs, at the same time, they mention Fake <3 as in fake fame/popularity, everything came at a cost, all the hype, love, fame, and obsession is fake since it was awarded by the elite, by evil forces. No matter how much effort and hardwork they put in it, it still tastes bitter because it's all a lie, it's all fake. Still sweet though. They still love and want it. It's so mad. Fake <3 indeed. Love is sweet. But Fake <3 is bittersweet. You get what I'm saying, right?

Anyway, concerning the sacrifices, if they do happen, and God I hope and pray that they don't, I imagine the people behind the scenes to pull some scenario that fits the story line even in real life somehow. SeokJ could be sacrificed in attempt to protect taetae maybe. Some sasaeng fan could attempt to harm him, but SeokJ takes the hit somehow. I feel like if the company pulled the stunt of chimchim and seokJ wearing the same outfit to confuse any possible attacker while putting his life in danger, as if he chose to do so, I wouldn't put it pass them to do it for any other member if need be. But then again, these are all assumptions. I apologize if I scared or worried anyone.

Going back to the Beatles, in case you don't know, many believe they disbanded because they woke up from the whole satanic agenda thingy. John went solo and had great success, but also step by step I think he started to accept christianity at some point. He had an interview where he lowkey talked about the elite and exposed their existence, way too subtle for people to understand at that time, but now, I see. You know how he died? Shot by a crazy psychotic fan in New York in front of a building, 5 bullets if I recall. The crazy was arrested. But yeah, I believe like others he was mk-utlra'ed and sent to murder John because he knew too much and was ready to say more.

Bottom line, let's pray the boys stay safe, and I hope they disband and stay away from the limelight. They're talented enough to get through life somehow. I'm more concerned about the fans and the new ones to join the fandom, who'll become attached and brainwashed as well. This is beyond concerning. I hope they wake up as well. I think the only way to save the boys, even if they don't want saving, is for them to lose popularity/fame. The fans need to stop hyping up or wake up somehow. The fandom made them who they are today. They brought them to the spotlight, and under the elite's radar, up for use. They lose their audience, they'll lose the elite's backup. The more they're in, the more they know about the shady dealings backstage, the more they are in danger of knowing too much and won't be let off easily.

Sorry for the long essay <.< I can't believe the John lennon look on taetae got me into sharing all this. This brain of mine, I swear.
If I could give this more likes, I would! What an amazing analysis. I hope you do more.

About one of the boys potentially being hurt from a fan, a psychic mentioned that she seen that Tae was going to be badly injured from an obsessive fan and that he needs to be very careful. It will cause a huge demand for change to protect idols better in Korea because of this.
The fact that he's dressed similar to John Lennon who was murdered from one make's this all the more chilling.
 
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Selling of BTS album in USA is very low at the moment, apparently they are doing great mostly in Korea.
And from next month billboard won't allow anymore youtube views to the charts.
To compare them to the beatles is uncorrect, and it's uncorrect to compare them to backstreetboys as well.
The fact that BTS is known in USA is mostly because they fanbase is very desperate and basically.... so pathetic(every army apparently bought several copies of BTS album just to rise a bit the charts) .
I've seen an army that convinced the school teacher to put all the pc streaming bts video...they all did those kind of stuff.
The numbers/records BTS did don't show BTS real level of popularity.
I'm not saying they are flopping of course, but America see them more like a crazy-fangirls fenomenom rather than legit music.
Look at the show at BBmas, the cameraman was more interested into the hysterical fangirls than to the performance.
Anyway if this performance at bbmas change their status it's still a bit early to say probably.
Absolutely, I was just comparing the views on a YouTube music video but overall BTS aren’t as big as the Beatles obviously and even the backstreet boys
Yes the only reason they got that many views was because of fans continuously streaming to get higher
I am just saying that their fans have given them the potential to become bigger in the US they are very dedicated to them
 

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I’ve altered my perception on this thing now since last night.

Being chosen doesn’t necessarily mean willfully joining the beast.
It’s a business, the music industry wants to invest in people that have a massive following, more followers mean more people they can inject their message into and more money. It makes sense why some legit singers don’t have success in the industry

I’ve heard about the selling 1 million records on your first album opening the doors for you to “get in”

But there is another thing I’ve noticed. A lot of times I’d like a new artist and their first album is perfection. They have a unique sound or just good vibes for their voice. They’ll achieve success and hit the 1 million sales and then for their second album it always goes dark, their vibe has changed, their look and sometimes sound, pretty much changing to generic mainstream music.

We are seeing it more now with BTS, it seems like before Bit Hit was probably trying to reaching out with their “concepts”. Kind of like,”hey notice us “ and because of the Army the big wigs have noticed so they “chose” BTS.

To the natural eye, it’s great because they will achieve world success, the promotions, the money, the attention. What these celebrities are doing is marketing. Bts is not an English group so having them marketed through billboards or tv shows wouldn’t really be effective because Americans initial reaction are gonna be,” I don’t know what their saying.” But they’ll still vibe to the music. It’s kind of clever to have a grassroots celebrity discovery to market them because if you like a celeb and you see them talk about BTS, it will get them more followers but people will most likely check out BTS to find out why they are popular. especially if they become respected among American musicians. If BTS links with American Rappers or American Hiphop, roll out the red carpet.

This is my view. I’m thinking that their looking at this as an opportunity for more fame and success but it may end up costing them their souls.
 
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American shows have always been this way where the audience is filmed quite frequently to see their reactions. My brother watched it with me (he's always made fun of them) and enjoyed it. He thought they did very well and mentioned the diversity of the crowd because he was surprised at the response so I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.

ARMYs are blowing this whole thing out of proportion imo. That's what fancams are for. The Korean industry focuses mainly on the performances while America focuses mainly on the audience when it's hype and it's always been that way.

Well, I'm one of those who is "blowing it out of proportion." You may feel like it is unnecessary for fans to be upset, but don't make others feel like they're unjustified for being so.

I can't speak for everyone else. I don't watch award shows at all. I only watched it for BTS until I found out Janet and Salt N pepa with En Vogue were performing; so they got my whole view count that I begrudgingly gave. (The audio was terrible from start to finish for all performers.)

ARMY already annoy me to no end. I can deal with them whenever I do attend BTS' concerts and will have to deal with them again come September. Anyway, I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone here, but I have to side with those who are complaining and wanted to see BTS. The issue is not so much that the cameramen showed the audience response. The issue is that they were the main focus and much of BTS' actual performance was glanced over. I watched all performers and BTS were the only artists who got less screentime You don't think so and think this is normal? Cool. But I particularly don't care to see fans scream their heads off every 10 seconds for several seconds counting.

Also, BBMAs aren't slick. They purposely placed BTS near the end because they knew a lot of fans would tune in to see them. Another reason I'm bothered is because I would like for them to be taken seriously for their music. Asians already are not taken seriously as is for reasons already stated.

None of it matters, though. It was just a disappointment for *me* that I wasted hours watching an award show to see BTS' "comeback show" partially. ARMYs stole the show. If it was arranged that way, fine. They'll be on their way back to Korea when the real promos and appreciation will begin.

 
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Well, I'm one of those who is "blowing it out if proportion." You may feel like it is unnecessary for fans to be upset, but don't make others feel like they're unjustified for being so.

I can't speak for everyone else. I don't watch award shows at all. I only watched it for BTS until I found out Janet and Salt N pepa with En Vogue were performing; so they got my whole view count that I begrudgingly gave. (The audio was terrible from start to finish for all performers.)

ARMY already annoy me to no end. I can deal with them whenever I do attend BTS' concerts and will have to deal with them again come September. Anyway, I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone here, but I have to side with those who are complaining and wanted to see BTS. The issue is not so much that the cameramen showed the audience response. The issue is that they were the main focus and much of BTS' actual performance was glanced over. I watched all performers and BTS were the only artists who got less screentime You don't think so and think this is normal? Cool. But I particularly don't care to see fans scream their heads off every 10 seconds for several seconds counting.

Also, BBMAs aren't slick. They purposely placed BTS near the end because they knew a lot of fans would tune in to see them. Another reason I'm bothered is because I would like for them to be taken seriously for their music. Asians already are not taken seriously as is for reasons already stated.

None of it matters, though. It was just a disappointment for *me* that I wasted hours watching an award show to see BTS' "comeback show" partially. ARMYs stole the show. If it was arranged that way, fine. They'll be on their way back to Korea when the real promos and appreciation will begin.
Yes i agree.. I waited for their turn for like 2 hours and then when they came on.. The cameramen made me realise that i wasted my time... Performance was good but i didn't like the too much darkness on the stage... Army fangirls was able to be more clearly seen than the boys ...
And all their other performers got tons if screen time.. But in case if the boys their fans got it instead and their stage was all bathed in darkness .. Maybe the concept was dark but that doesn't mean you have to look closely at who's who on the stage.. Didn't happen with the other performers
 

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Cmon now it’s not like BTS is like “oh no! We don’t want to go to America” last year they said they wish to perform at the billboards awards 2018 and that happened. Don’t think their level of fame in the US is all due to fans, if they are this popular here in the States and with American celebs it’s because they already did a deal. You don’t reach their level of success based on fans only the music elite don’t care about that. They care about how you’re willing to achieve that fame, you sign your name in blood when you make a deal with the devil. I think it’s obvious they’ve been meaning to get in the US for a while now hence the show they did way back here in the US they were learning the culture and the way of music here. Remember it’s not a coincidence ;) everything they do has been planned out. They want this level of fame “worldwide”
Exactly!! Thank you.
 
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Cmon now it’s not like BTS is like “oh no! We don’t want to go to America” last year they said they wish to perform at the billboards awards 2018 and that happened. Don’t think their level of fame in the US is all due to fans, if they are this popular here in the States and with American celebs it’s because they already did a deal. You don’t reach their level of success based on fans only the music elite don’t care about that. They care about how you’re willing to achieve that fame, you sign your name in blood when you make a deal with the devil. I think it’s obvious they’ve been meaning to get in the US for a while now hence the show they did way back here in the US they were learning the culture and the way of music here. Remember it’s not a coincidence ;) everything they do has been planned out. They want this level of fame “worldwide”

I agree so much
its naive to believe they dont care about America I mean they had heir comeback stage there LOL and they are also having A LOT more tour dates in the US compared to other countries,
I dont think they are miserable in the US, since they arrived they have been looking happier than ever posting on twitter saying they are happy and smiling a lot in every interview, the only one who looks done is Yoongi but the others are enjoying it

They like america and they like american celebrities, its not only the fans who want that US validation, their company is desperate for it and thats why they put the BBMAs speech in their last album and everytime they can they use it for mediaplay
they also changed their sound to fit in wiith the US audience and this is all their companies decision so its impossible to deny how much they care about the US at this point
 

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I watched all the show from the red carpet to the end manly for Janet Jackson ^^" (from midnight to 5am in France rip me lol)
But well obviously they know that a lot of army would watch so they put bts at the end and that's normal.
But I admit that the bts perf' did bother me because bts used autotune even tho that it was still live (I hate autotune lol)
AND they litterally shown only the croud like bruh and it was sooooo cringyyy to see all these not famous "celebrity" dancing and singing like b*cht you didn't know who bts was 5 hours ago lmao Stop being thirsty for views lol.
And as for Billboard, I think they show the croud for 10 thousand years because they want to give that "boys band be killing yours 12 years old girls" image like back in the days w/ Backstreet boys and one direction.
Like you know that images that their fans are crazy and think they are gods lol

(Ps ;Normani, janet and bruno slayed hard Omg i"m in love lmao)

Janet was good. Hate her stage seemed so short but good nonetheless. I got the chance to see her live last December.
 

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Well, I'm one of those who is "blowing it out of proportion." You may feel like it is unnecessary for fans to be upset, but don't make others feel like they're unjustified for being so.

I can't speak for everyone else. I don't watch award shows at all. I only watched it for BTS until I found out Janet and Salt N pepa with En Vogue were performing; so they got my whole view count that I begrudgingly gave. (The audio was terrible from start to finish for all performers.)

ARMY already annoy me to no end. I can deal with them whenever I do attend BTS' concerts and will have to deal with them again come September. Anyway, I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone here, but I have to side with those who are complaining and wanted to see BTS. The issue is not so much that the cameramen showed the audience response. The issue is that they were the main focus and much of BTS' actual performance was glanced over. I watched all performers and BTS were the only artists who got less screentime You don't think so and think this is normal? Cool. But I particularly don't care to see fans scream their heads off every 10 seconds for several seconds counting.

Also, BBMAs aren't slick. They purposely placed BTS near the end because they knew a lot of fans would tune in to see them. Another reason I'm bothered is because I would like for them to be taken seriously for their music. Asians already are not taken seriously as is for reasons already stated.

None of it matters, though. It was just a disappointment for *me* that I wasted hours watching an award show to see BTS' "comeback show" partially. ARMYs stole the show. If it was arranged that way, fine. They'll be on their way back to Korea when the real promos and appreciation will begin.

Lol I'm not saying that your reaction is completely unjustified so why are you getting so defensive about it when I was merely explaining how American award shows work. This is nothing new. People always find something to rag on when it comes to award shows whether it's in Korea or America. Take out your frustrations to the people that can actually do something about it. The more ARMY annoys Billboards and all other platforms, the faster they'll start having doors closed on them and then BTS will no longer be invited to the awards shows where no one has to worry about their lack of screen time and not being taken serious enough for their standards. They'll be free to focus all their attention in Korea where the camera work is more suitable to everyones needs.

Clearly BBMA put them last for the ratings. That's how it works when the demand and anticipation for something is high. They won't put them first because then they don't have as much to gain from it. That's how business works. If people don't like the direction this is going, stop supporting their American activities and they'll disappear fast from there.

ARMYs also need to stop being so obnoxious with their incessant chanting even during breaks. This fandom will truly be their downfall.
 

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Lol I'm not saying that your reaction is completely unjustified so why are you getting so defensive about it when I was merely explaining how American award shows work. This is nothing new. People always find something to rag on when it comes to award shows whether it's in Korea or America. Take out your frustrations to the people that can actually do something about it. The more ARMY annoys Billboards and all other platforms, the faster they'll start having doors closed on them and then BTS will no longer be invited to the awards shows where no one has to worry about their lack of screen time and not being taken serious enough for their standards. They'll be free to focus all their attention in Korea where the camera work is more suitable to everyones needs.

Clearly BBMA put them last for the ratings. That's how it works when the demand and anticipation for something is high. They won't put them first because then they don't have as much to gain from it. That's how business works. If people don't like the direction this is going, stop supporting their American activities and they'll disappear fast from there.

ARMYs also need to stop being so obnoxious with their incessant chanting even during breaks. This fandom will truly be their downfall.

Oh, I wasn't being defensive, so you can stop right there. I only responded to give you another point of view as to why fans have a right to be disappointed--where my personal frustrations lie. Does that make me defensive by merely responding? Absolutely not.

We can agree to disagree cos no one is trying to take up space in here, contending for who is right or who is wrong.
And yes, ARMY will be their downfall. If I knew who to complain to I would.
 

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After seeing this Fanart.. I think B*i*ghit are a bit successful in forcing their dark agenda on the fans... Making all the dark concept and story exciting and fun filled for the people ... And fans praising them to be geniuses... But seriously first look at this art.. It scared and grossed me out...


This is disturbing. I wonder how they feel when they see themselves portrayed in such a way.
 

MochiAmour

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Oh, I wasn't being defensive, so you can stop right there. I only responded to give you another point of view as to why fans have a right to be disappointed--where my personal frustrations lie. Does that make me defensive by merely responding? Absolutely not.

We can agree to disagree cos no one is trying to take up space in here, contending for who is right or who is wrong.
And yes, ARMY will be their downfall. If I knew who to complain to I would.
Lol oh I'll stop, sis. You don't need to defend yourself. It's not that deep.

Write to Billboard.
 

luffychan

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After seeing this Fanart.. I think B*i*ghit are a bit successful in forcing their dark agenda on the fans... Making all the dark concept and story exciting and fun filled for the people ... And fans praising them to be geniuses... But seriously first look at this art.. It scared and grossed me out...

how can people draw something like this without questioning why they are drawing it or whats going on in their mind? perfect example of mind control...eesh
 

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Do you think all people that perform in America made blood contract? All?
As if it's a big sale in walmart magazine?
And for what they sold their soul for? Having a bunch of fangirls that spam twitter no stop(a thing that they already did)?
I'm not saying BTS are not popular(i've always been fighting in the other thread about the misconception they are not popular), i'm just saying you can't compare their history/popularity with the celbrities that are obviusly under elite protection.
Under elite protection you become popular much earlier than BTS, you reach the top of chart imediately, you are raised to do that.
You don't sell your soul for a bunch of crazed fangirl spamming twitter...
If after this performance things are somehow changed we will see soon.
I believe they did sell their souls tho, I feel like the reason why they didn’t rise to fame in the western world as quickly and earlier as those in the elite is because of the language and cultural barrier, people are still much more close minded, they have a lot of western fans, but not as much as they would want for effective brainwashing, look at boybands that were in the elite like the Beatles or 1D for example, they’re practically foreigners in USA since they’re both British, but because their songs were in English, it reached a wider audience, they gained popularity relatively quickly, making it much more easier for the elite to take them under their wings at an earlier stage. I think with BTS they are slowly trying to expose them to a lot of westerners, until they gain a certain amount of fans before they could fully rise to fame under the elite
 

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They don't need to rise anything if they sold their soul, they already have a fanbase, if they sold their souls you would see them at the top of the chart beacuse their copies would have been bought massively by elite.
And you would hear them everywhere(movies/adds , shops), exactly the way they did for the likes of Rihanna or Beyonce.
The real question is do elite need their souls?
How their souls is valued to elite?
Or you think they accept everyone and it is garanteed a first class ticket to success?

I think we all obviusly have a different idea of how elite works, the most accepted idea in here it seems to be Elite is ready to accept everyone.
Personally i don't think that way.
I am convinced that what they want is the mass of people, not the artists, they raise stars for that purpose, those are the ones that they use, groups like BTS(or other groups that may have 1 or 2 years of global success) are not worth the pain, they already did the job, it's enough a @ at them and they get the result they want.
I think the soul selling part has begun.. Some have sold.. Some are not ready yet.. They are starting it slow.. But the results will be HUGE.. Like they started putting hints in their debut MV.. They started low.. But ended up at billboard now.. I think this is enough proof that they are in the eyes of the elite... Because such award shows are notorious for the occult rituals of the elite
 

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I believe they did sell their souls tho, I feel like the reason why they didn’t rise to fame in the western world as quickly and earlier as those in the elite is because of the language and cultural barrier, people are still much more close minded, they have a lot of western fans, but not as much as they would want for effective brainwashing, look at boybands that were in the elite like the Beatles or 1D for example, they’re practically foreigners in USA since they’re both British, but because their songs were in English, it reached a wider audience, they gained popularity relatively quickly, making it much more easier for the elite to take them under their wings at an earlier stage. I think with BTS they are slowly trying to expose them to a lot of westerners, until they gain a certain amount of fans before they could fully rise to fame under the elite

They don't need to rise anything if they sold their soul, they already have a fanbase, if they sold their souls you would see them at the top of the chart beacuse their copies would have been bought massively by elite.
And you would hear them everywhere(movies/adds , shops), exactly the way they did for the likes of Rihanna or Beyonce.
The real question is do elite need their souls?
How their souls is valued to elite?
Or you think they accept everyone and it is garanteed a first class ticket to success?

I think we all obviusly have a different idea of how elite works, the most accepted idea in here it seems to be Elite is ready to accept everyone.
Personally i don't think that way.
I am convinced that what they want is the mass of people, not the artists, they raise stars for that purpose, those are the ones that they use, groups like BTS(or other groups that may have 1 or 2 years of global success) are not worth the pain, they already did the job, it's enough a @ at them and they get the result they want.

I think you both made valid points.
I don't know. All I know is BTS is indeed being used as a tool. For what, I'm not sure.
 
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