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It was 4AM here when the bbma's were starting so I was sleeping. Just saw their performance and I agree it was underwhelming. It was mainly the crappy camerawork. Their cb performances back in Korea will be knockout performances though, I'm sure.

The connection between the B3atles and BT*$ is an interesting one. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised by anything, to be honest. I remember how people thought BT*$ would amount to nothing when they first started out, and...well, they've come far. While they have their fans in America, I still don't think they'll sweep the States - and for their sake, I hope not as well.

I'm happy that right now in Korea they have reached iconic status anyway, and i think they should focus on that, America isn't all and to be honest i only associate bad feeling to america..
I do like the members as creative individuals - despite whatever we've been discussing here - and am happy they have success in their home country. I'm sure that means more to them than anything else.
 

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I 100% agree with you , i am saying since forever that western celebrities and western media are basically using them to improve their own social status, only few of them are honest in supporting them, like John Cena for example, most ARMY are brainless fangirls that RT as soon as they see a @ bts wich is incredibly pathetic, as you said they are seen as a traveling circus, it's kinda sad in my opinion because i feel like that BTS are being honest at trying their all, but lets face it, america don't consider them "music"...
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that they're a foreign, Asian act. Asian Americans have a lot of issues with good representation that isn't hypersexualized and submissive, for women, or demeaning and emasculating, for men. My Asian friends, ranging from people who kinda like kpop to people who weren't interested, were happy to hear an Asian act perform on these award shows (I believe they're the only ones?). I know my friend's brother who was playing Mic Drop a lot as a young Asian boy who didn't have too many role models to look up to. So take advantage of opportunities like this but also keep in mind when they're being taken advantaged of. Their fans are definitely being taken for a ride.
 

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"do what you wilt" - so today when they got out of the car Tae wore a purple flag on his belt. It says "doing what I want". I think its similar to that idea. And it was also written on jimin's pants. Tae had something written on his back too, and jhope wore a hat that said loved. Tae wore a pin saying XXV ->Idk if that has any significance because I can't find anything on it
I just love how everything is connecting to each other!
 
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"do what you wilt" - so today when they got out of the car Tae wore a purple flag on his belt. It says "doing what I want". I think its similar to that idea. And it was also written on jimin's pants. Tae had something written on his back too, and jhope wore a hat that said loved. Tae wore a pin saying XXV ->Idk if that has any significance because I can't find anything on it
XXV = 25 It could mean anything. The only member who's 25 is SeokJ. Are they having perhaps a countdown till he reaches 27? The usual age for the sacrifices the elite do.
You know forever XXVII (the 27 club). I believe Kim J from Shyni was sacrificed too, and he was 27.
It would match the time of his enlistment too. He is slated to enlist in 2020.
And next year, the last album of the LY series would drop: Answer. Everything will be clear by then I think.
The boys have a junior group coming up too right? Is it possible that the sacrifice be made for their debut?

Oh boy...Please tell me I'm wrong. I hate making these conclusions.
 
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I 100% agree with you , i am saying since forever that western celebrities and western media are basically using them to improve their own social status, only few of them are honest in supporting them, like John Cena for example, most ARMY are brainless fangirls that RT as soon as they see a @ bts wich is incredibly pathetic, as you said they are seen as a traveling circus, it's kinda sad in my opinion because i feel like that BTS are being honest at trying their all, but lets face it, america don't consider them "music".
I'm happy that right now in Korea they have reached iconic status anyway, and i think they should focus on that, America isn't all and to be honest i only associate bad feeling to america.
Anyway i always considered BTS very smart and i think they are aware of this all, in fact they declined the post parties and are returning to Korea to start the real promotion where it count.
To be able to finally see their comeback show we must wait they are back in Korea.
Cmon now it’s not like BTS is like “oh no! We don’t want to go to America” last year they said they wish to perform at the billboards awards 2018 and that happened. Don’t think their level of fame in the US is all due to fans, if they are this popular here in the States and with American celebs it’s because they already did a deal. You don’t reach their level of success based on fans only the music elite don’t care about that. They care about how you’re willing to achieve that fame, you sign your name in blood when you make a deal with the devil. I think it’s obvious they’ve been meaning to get in the US for a while now hence the show they did way back here in the US they were learning the culture and the way of music here. Remember it’s not a coincidence ;) everything they do has been planned out. They want this level of fame “worldwide”
 

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I don't think so.
At the moment they are just "famous on twitter", even meme- guys can become famous on internet.
To reach this kind of popularity is not impossible considering many fangirls are spending all their money to buy their album and they are out the charts in USA...
If it was elite doing you would see them at top charts in USA by now(and they would be obliged to join the after-parties)
Instead you see radio people threatening army that if they continue annoying them asking not to cut Jin out they will blacklist BTS.
Lets be real, they are not taken seriusly, do you think that they sell blood contracts SO EASELY?
Even if they don't need it at all?
They don't want BTS they want army, and to have army it's enought a @ bts in their mention.
I tried purchasing tickets to their Chicago concert they are there for 2 days and guess what sold out in 15 min! Only seats available were over 1k. They sold out their concert in the states. All shows in America are sold out. If that isn’t success they I don’t know what it is, the arenas are huge here but yup all sold out
 

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It's been bothering me every time I see "Love Yourself: Tear" I don't think it means tear like a tear drop, but tear like a rip, because if we are talking about "fake love", trauma, torcher, etch. "yourself" has to tear or be ripped apart and this is how demons get access.
also, isn't it "tears" if it refers to the water drops falling off from the eyes?
 

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Hey everyone :) .. I have been a faithful lurker of this thread ... And now that im satisfied with this thread completely.. I have decided to join you guys because i find all of you so much like Myself.. And i respect all of the opinions everyone has given here ..

I love these boys a lot. . But their sudden Fame in the states out of many others has given rise to many doubts in my head too.. And I'm glad to have found this place and glad to accompany you all throughout this thread :)
 

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Anyone noticed that V's appearance is kinda similar to John Lennon from the Beatles? Glasses, long hair, clothing in that interview...I had to do a double take...I was like he looks like John Lennon. So hippies’ vibe.
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Then I thought the boys' success has been mentioned by some fans to be quite similar to the Beatles, who were a worldwide phenomenon.
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In fact, the boys have gained so much international popularity and it keeps increasing, at least through social media they're known by a lot of younger generations, Kpop fans, and they're pushing for more niches with their US performances and radio play, and then there's their upcoming world tour in Europe and other countries. If they keep this up, they might just be the next Beatles I think.

Sure, the Beatles are on another level, in a time where they were singing for a specific audience, about peace and love, about societal issues and so on. [Sounds similar to a certain Korean group speaking about struggles of youth, societal pressure, depression and self-love, right?]
John was an anti-war protester and activist, spoke against society, had issues with the US, amongst other things. He was one of the most successful celebrities of his time, especially after he went solo.
Also, he had issues with Paul McCartney, his bandmate, allegedly about the music, which led to the group disbanding. [Hm]
But you know what? The Beatles did have great songs and were the best band of their time and still remembered even today. But they also were heavily influenced by satanism.

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John was also an anti-christian, as you can see. And a follower of Aleister crowley's luciferian teachings.

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The Beatles did promote a lot the YOLO ideology. Sang about lucifer with their song "Lucy in the sky". Hit songs like "Imagine" by John Lennon is clear as day. It certainly promotes positivity and to learn to be peaceful and to love each other, but it's more about Yolo in my opinion. Imagine there's no heaven, no hell, all the people living just for today. Sounds like exactly what everyone is starting to do more and more around the world.

Something the boys have done with "Go Go" and the cyphers too where they diss antis, and boast about fame and money.

I wonder if the staff and the people behind the group are not also using the Beatles' effect with their so-called concepts. I remember a quote by John and I even found a pic of it:

"We need to learn to love ourselves first, [...] If we cannot love ourselves, we cannot fully open to our ability to love others or our potential to create."

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Similar to what the whole LY concept is about right? It might be a reach, making connections like these between the two groups, but the Elite love influencial celebrities that can promote their agendas. I think they used the Beatles for that time, tried maybe with backstreet boys and nsync, 1D later on, and now we have Bangtan.

Though, they contradict themselves what with the lyrics being so angst-y, about fear (Magic Shop exchanging fear thingy), and dark side of Love in this new comeback. They want to empower the fans AND themselves (NamJ' said himself that he still doesn't love himself after all this time and wants to achieve that with the fans, before he dies. That's worrisome -.- ) to love themselves first so they can enjoy life and fall in love and so on. Find some inner peace and happiness, I suppose.

Sure, the message sounds great and all, positive in hindsight. However, the MVs and the story line with the symbolism, the connotations of sacrifice, death, suicide, and abuse…Even some songs in their albums make no sense of being related to Love or acceptance of oneself, they are far too sad and could be interpreted in different ways which leave the fans to speculate about the meaning. So, they say it's a fan song, or it's about love, it's about the dark side of love etc...Hardcore fans will believe what they say and accept it at face value, unfortunately. Obviously, they won't be spilling all the truth out there about the evil deal they made, what happens behind the scenes, the real reason and story from their MVs. It would be too dangerous, fans would realize, would worry, would feel betrayed if they understood the reality of the music industry and that even they have become a part of this whole masquerade and agenda of the elite. The elite doesn’t want that: for people to be aware, remember that.

Not sure if the boys truly know what their so called concept is about. When they are asked questions about it, they avoid eye contact, look uncomfortable, play with their hands, and let the leader answer. Said leader, himself, is uncomfortable, stutters and gives no cohesive answers. His english slightly got worse? He’s unsure and not confident. He’s blatantly lying and can't find any other bulls*** to pull, so he keeps saying the same “explore dark side of love” “love yourself” “inspiration from books, movies, going to the park, just like every artist does” and so on. It's so obvious.

If their concept is truly about love, even the gloomy side of being in love or struggles of loving yourself, why not be explicit about it? Be to the point at least in your interviews, the album is already out, not need to try so hard to be mysterious about the concept. It makes it shady and all the more obvious they have no idea, have no involvement in their “concept”. They just do what they are ordered to do, in my opinion.

The boys have changed a lot over the years, from hip-hop genre to a more versatile kpop group which now has got more western songs with autotune and collabs to target the US market. This new album, personally, has no appeal to me.

Ever heard of the Beatle Mania? Basically celebrity worship. The Beatles were worshipped. Now, we have fandoms, stans, soft and hardcore ones hyping up the boys, just like with the beatles, just differently. But not so different, the mentality of some is pretty much the same. Screaming, crying, fangirling, putting them on a pedestal…And obviously as soon as they make a statement or an opinion about anything, it becomes valid as if they’re experts. “What an intellectual” “I stan Kings” etc... Let’s not get started on the clothes they wear, or accessories they use. Everything is under scrutiny and the fans are ready to hype it, buy it and use it, no matter how expensive or useless it may be for them. They’re brainwashed.

Army, was supposedly standing for adorable representative MC for youth? They don’t mention it anymore. Kinda cringey to begin with. But I doubt they were serious about it. They truly meant it as an army for the boyscouts. They knew they’d reach this level of fame. That they’d have truly an army of fans ready to protect, serve, and “love” them. A love more obsessive than anything. At least, the ones behind the creation of the group are in the know-how, after all they came up with the group’s name, the fandom’s, and definetely their concept. Whether it’s all the PD’s idea or other staff involved, who knows. Everything is not a coincidence, as they always say and sing about.

Now, it’s a new generation, new time, new age with technology (social media and internet). It means more opportunities and vehicles to enslave more people to worship celebrities that push agendas and more propaganda. The Hallyu wave brought much to SK and the Korean pop music just transcended many barriers and reached many countries all over the world.
So, the elite see this new group, appealing, talented, young, passionate, with a huge fanbase already which keeps increasing, and they are willing (or not but their company sure is) to go further up the pyramid of fame. Of course, they'd support them, throw them in the western industry to gain more popularity, more followers, with other celebrities backing them and hyping them. Agendas are pushed, fans are brainwashed, companies and celebrities get more money, fame, and spotlight. And everyone's happy. The devil's snickering around, his followers are doing great and more sheeple are in a trance and won't know what hit them when antichrist shows up. This, of course, doesn't pertain only to the boys' influence. It's so much more complex than that. The music and entertainment industries are just the tip of the iceberg. It's just distraction and brainwashing 101 for the Elite. I used the boys just as an exemple of how dangerous this whole idol worshipping is leading us to.

Many have speculated over the storyline that SeokJ and taetae might be sacrificed right? Also, I remembered that Chimchim had been threatened by an anon to be shot or something along those lines. And there was a picture of both SeokJ and chimchim wearing the same outfit and looking earily similar. Was it the company's way of protecting him? By putting his hyung in the same outfit to confuse the person? Wow smart move. Of course, let's put the hyung who's being allegedly killed off or sacrificed himself for his dongsaengs in the storyline out there to protect chimchim. Let's turn him into a hero. A martyr. Who sacrificed his everything for his brothers. Isn't that what we have seen countless times through their interactions, and through the theories? The way he is treated is like a puppet to use and dispose of whenever needed. That's the feeling I get.

Besides that, we have taetae and JeonK who seem to have gained in this comeback more spotlight.
The way I see it in Fake <3 both roles they play are the following:

- taetae is basically someone who's been heavily influenced by the devil, once was an apprentice, he simply rose higher now and became officially a pawn of the devil [hence, the "save me" inverted "i'm fine" duality in his segment. It shows that he's under influence and wants saving, yet another part of him is fine with the situation. He willingly joined at first. Or was born into it and eased into accepting the evil deal. He may regret now.]

- the other role played by JeonK: he tried to stay pure and innocent, he saw his hyungs hurting and fighting temptation and falling for it one after the other. He tried to help SeokJ to get them out alive, in vain. He keeps running around, fighting demons, trying to get to his hyungs and get them out of their cells. Get them out of their mk-ultra imprisonment chambers, if you want.

SeokJ even gave himself up to gain power to protect them (in wonder's euphoria: symbolized by sending JeonK to save Sugar, Jay to save taetae and so on but failed to save them all, chimchim was left alone in that hospital right? no matter what he tried he couldn't save them all, and couldn't save himself. He even sacrificed himself instead of taetae.)
But JeonK somehow was the key. The sole remaining member, the trump card, the one still not fully corrupted. He could still attempt to help and save everyone, or could fall for the trick and end up like them all. Hence, the curtains segment of both SeokJ/JeonK, the hyung sees the last one attempting to run from the devil, JeonK sees his hyungs in their cells in trances, not trying to seek aid, they gave up. SeokJ is always seen sad and resolute like he lost all his soul and all his strength. In the end, he couldn't protect the last flower in that lantern.
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It turned to sand/ashes, because the devil's fire consumed it. The devil got JeonK and consumed him as well. The last one ended up joining the masked man who was waiting for him with the other 6 coat racks. Either he got him because he gave up the fight (he was in torn clothes at the end), or he played a game and lost. Since he couldn't run away from it and give up his hyungs, the only way for him to survive is to accept the outcome. At least, he'll be with his hyungs.

The fire explosion, the water flooding, the wind ripping apart, the sneakers mountain/probably actual pills just censored, the phones' flashes, NamJ' isolation with his fear of self-love in front of that mirror...all of those were tricks of the devil to keep them all chained. When JeonK lost or gave up the fight, tired from running, he found that door. It opened for him. Remember the key given to him in the teaser? Maybe it symbolized that he was the key to open the doors for his hyungs to be saved, but by losing the game against the devil/masked man, he ended up torn apart, tired, and the only door to open for him was that of the devil himself. He was tricked and ended up welcomed to that room where he'll join his hyungs who already gave their souls and what remains of them are their skeletons/symbolized by the coat racks. Sorry for the terms, just my theory and opinion of what everything means.

Overall, the mv minus the choreo (as I didn't analyze it yet) is about JeonK officially being accepted by the elite, or letting himself fully be brainwashed. He's in now just like the rest of the members. Some sort of initiation? There's nothing to initiate. I think he was aware of things, but was kept away from most rituals or didn't know much of what was going. But now he's officially aware of the industry, of the evil deal. He was the youngest when they started. He was influenced by the others and protected. He's an adult now and not so naive. Wouldn't the fact that he wrote a song for this album be some sort of gift/reward of him accepting the full responsibility of shaking hands with the devil?

Concerning the lyrics, I think many verses talk about JeonK, from the view point of his hyungs, at the same time, they mention Fake <3 as in fake fame/popularity, everything came at a cost, all the hype, love, fame, and obsession is fake since it was awarded by the elite, by evil forces. No matter how much effort and hardwork they put in it, it still tastes bitter because it's all a lie, it's all fake. Still sweet though. They still love and want it. It's so mad. Fake <3 indeed. Love is sweet. But Fake <3 is bittersweet. You get what I'm saying, right?

Anyway, concerning the sacrifices, if they do happen, and God I hope and pray that they don't, I imagine the people behind the scenes to pull some scenario that fits the story line even in real life somehow. SeokJ could be sacrificed in attempt to protect taetae maybe. Some sasaeng fan could attempt to harm him, but SeokJ takes the hit somehow. I feel like if the company pulled the stunt of chimchim and seokJ wearing the same outfit to confuse any possible attacker while putting his life in danger, as if he chose to do so, I wouldn't put it pass them to do it for any other member if need be. But then again, these are all assumptions. I apologize if I scared or worried anyone.

Going back to the Beatles, in case you don't know, many believe they disbanded because they woke up from the whole satanic agenda thingy. John went solo and had great success, but also step by step I think he started to accept christianity at some point. He had an interview where he lowkey talked about the elite and exposed their existence, way too subtle for people to understand at that time, but now, I see. You know how he died? Shot by a crazy psychotic fan in New York in front of a building, 5 bullets if I recall. The crazy was arrested. But yeah, I believe like others he was mk-utlra'ed and sent to murder John because he knew too much and was ready to say more.

Bottom line, let's pray the boys stay safe, and I hope they disband and stay away from the limelight. They're talented enough to get through life somehow. I'm more concerned about the fans and the new ones to join the fandom, who'll become attached and brainwashed as well. This is beyond concerning. I hope they wake up as well. I think the only way to save the boys, even if they don't want saving, is for them to lose popularity/fame. The fans need to stop hyping up or wake up somehow. The fandom made them who they are today. They brought them to the spotlight, and under the elite's radar, up for use. They lose their audience, they'll lose the elite's backup. The more they're in, the more they know about the shady dealings backstage, the more they are in danger of knowing too much and won't be let off easily.

Sorry for the long essay <.< I can't believe the John lennon look on taetae got me into sharing all this. This brain of mine, I swear.
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Cmon now it’s not like BTS is like “oh no! We don’t want to go to America” last year they said they wish to perform at the billboards awards 2018 and that happened. Don’t think their level of fame in the US is all due to fans, if they are this popular here in the States and with American celebs it’s because they already did a deal. You don’t reach their level of success based on fans only the music elite don’t care about that. They care about how you’re willing to achieve that fame, you sign your name in blood when you make a deal with the devil. I think it’s obvious they’ve been meaning to get in the US for a while now hence the show they did way back here in the US they were learning the culture and the way of music here. Remember it’s not a coincidence ;) everything they do has been planned out. They want this level of fame “worldwide”
I have to agree with you on this. The involvement of these biggest celebrities are somewhat confirm that. Not just posting pictures on their igs, but also talk about them on twitter. I get it maybe some of the hollyweird celebs wanted more likes or wtv, but, it’s just weird to me.
 

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If this has any validity, then BBMAs and Americn recognition is all about the fans after all.

American shows have always been this way where the audience is filmed quite frequently to see their reactions. My brother watched it with me (he's always made fun of them) and enjoyed it. He thought they did very well and mentioned the diversity of the crowd because he was surprised at the response so I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.

ARMYs are blowing this whole thing out of proportion imo. That's what fancams are for. The Korean industry focuses mainly on the performances while America focuses mainly on the audience when it's hype and it's always been that way.
 

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maybe. Their company is very controlling, they didn't went to the after party last year and still had rumours around them so maybe they do it to avoid getting into a "scandal" you know how the US media is not protective of celebrities
This ^ they have to be on their best behaviour to potentially avoid any scandals. Some ARMYs are already freaking out because Jimin hugged one of the female interviewers on the red carpet and at Bebe Rexha for putting her face on Tae's shoulder. Imagine the uproar if something more scandalous was exposed especially with an American.
 

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I found this interesting .. And i wanted to share this here..
Upon being asked again and again by the army fans that why are they being asked the same questions again and again.. One of the boys's interviewer tweeted that they are not allowed to ask them anything out of the questions given by the band's management ... I wanted to attach a screenshot but i don't know why i couldn't .. An error occured on attachment of a file.. So I'm giving the link instead...


 
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