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MochiAmour

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I think that may have been someone else, since that was my first post!

Still, I'll give my thoughts. I genuinely think that JK and Jimin are still innocent. Jimin seems like he's in shock, he can't seem to understand. I feel like things may be fragmented for him. JK too, I think he's kept shrouded, intentionally or not, I'm not sure. For the most part, I get the feeling he doesn't really understand what's going on. I don't think those two understand at all what goes on in their MV's. They may 'sense' something, but the blindfold is still on, so to speak.

V for sure has regret. I think he's angry too. Throw in guilt and shame too. He was possibly the most naive out of all of them and naive people are dangerous in the wrong hands. I think we need to keep in mind that sometimes, bad choices don't present themselves as black and white. That's why people make mistakes, sometimes fatal ones. That's why coercion works. He may have been given a choice, he may not have. If he was given a choice, it would have been either a very difficult one or presented in such a way that he didn't realise what the outcome would be.

I don't think RM feels any of those things. He seems calculating. Yoongi...I get the feeling he goes back and forth. I feel like he's not 100% content...but he's leaning towards RM's side.

Jin...I feel was trapped into the whole thing. His passion was acting anyway, and Bighit do him such a huge disservice. They don't even give him proper acting roles in their little acting skits. I think Jin's involvement was murky...more than anything, he feels helpless.

JHope...I'm not so sure. He doesn't know everything, but I feel like he's not content.
I agree with many points but I personally don't believe any of them are innocent. They're not as naive as you think just because they're the youngest and look innocent. Often times, it's the innocent/quiet/shy ones that are the biggest wolves in sheeps clothing.

I think Jimin can be quite sneaky and manipulative. His natal chart provides backup on it if you believe in that stuff. JK may be doe eyed but i certainly think he plays that to his advantage a lot too because it's a role he's expected to play especially as the 'Golden Maknae'. J-Hope has always rubbed me the wrong way. He seems like he's quite sadistic especially to the younger ones with how he roughhouses them with a smile plastered on his face like he's enjoying it more than he should.
 

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I think you misunderstood what i said, i never said that praying is like performing a ritual AND i am not against religion, but on the contrary, i am for it and i respect all religions and beliefs. Maybe you should read it again.

All people are equal but they are definitely not identical in sense of abilities, potentials, ambitions, wealth and so on.
God is NOT a human being,.. human imagination is limited since it is based on what it observes and experiences, and this is why our imagination cannot fully grasp the concept that God is timeless and eternal, without beginning or end. Some people, due to intellectual weakness or simplicity, assume that everything must be comparable to their own past experience. They rely on the imagination, which is really only capable of visualizing that which has in one way or another already been experienced. This is why the imagination is incapable of grappling with absolutes and with universal concepts. The human mind has limitations, and our human perspective is deficient. Because of this, some people fall into misgivings with respect to God’s pre-existence. We need to realize that we are dealing here with a matter of faith; in other words, a matter which transcends the limitations of human reason. God is timeless and eternal, without beginning or end. By contrast, all created things have a beginning and end. God cannot be understood according to the terms of material existence. He is not bound by the laws of physics which are themselves part of the nature of what He created. It is no surprise that the mind cannot fully grasp the Creator, since the mind is itself created and subject to the limitations of its created nature. The mind can only fall into confusion and self-deception if it tries to rationalize that which is beyond its powers.
Rather, we should apply our mental efforts to matters our minds are capable of engaging with the universe that God created and the vast horizons of knowledge that it presents. God has given us the rational ability and the imaginative power to uncover and conceptualize the physical laws of nature.

The concept of hell arose variously in religions that encouraged moral behaviour.

This question about who created God is inherently false and self-contradictory. If we were to say for the sake of argument that someone created God, then they would ask you, Who created the creator of the Creator? Then, who created the creator of the creator of the creator?! And so on, ad infinitum. This is irrational and impossible.
All of creation goes back to the Creator Who created all things. No one created Him; He created everything other than Himself. This is what makes sense and is logical.
That's true, i just pointed out how some people believe hes an actual human
and that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever

Some people believe hes a life force, which is fine and is definitely seen as a more logical way of seeing it

You are entitled to your own beliefs I'm just pointing out the facts that some people seem to not grasp the concept of
 

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I was reading the Kpop thread and noticed a couple of posters believe Jin doesnt have *any* lines in BS&T. How can this be when he does have lines, granted they're shared with Jimin? Got me thinking I'm crazy.

Is it wrong for me to hope they disband? Their success is frightening me. I can't tell if it was unexpected and a happenstance or if this was all planned from day one. This has all been an eye opener. I never kept up with the theories cos I felt like it was a waste of time. It's interesting to see them all, though.
 

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Oh man.... I think you may be a bit confused about religion in itself. Or at least your perception of it is a bit distorted. How do you believe in the existence of angels and demons but not God and satan? I'm rather confused by this ideology....
It depends on how you perceive it.

If you believe God is a natural life force, yeah go ahead
But if you believe hes an actual human like some people do.... it just doesn't make sense

and there has never been proof for the fact that Satan exists.. i've never heard of people getting visited by him, if anything its just demonic spirits
 

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I agree with many points but I personally don't believe any of them are innocent. They're not as naive as you think just because they're the youngest and look innocent. Often times, it's the innocent/quiet/shy ones that are the biggest wolves in sheeps clothing.

I think Jimin can be quite sneaky and manipulative. His natal chart provides backup on it if you believe in that stuff. JK may be doe eyed but i certainly think he plays that to his advantage a lot too because it's a role he's expected to play especially as the 'Golden Maknae'. J-Hope has always rubbed me the wrong way. He seems like he's quite sadistic especially to the younger ones with how he roughhouses them with a smile plastered on his face like he's enjoying it more than he should.
I've always been a bit iffy on Jhope as well tbh, ever since they first debuted. I can't get a clear read on him at all. All I can say for sure is that he's a serious person and that he does a good job of keeping his private and public personas separate.

With JK and Jimin, it's not so much that they're young and 'look' innocent - or the shape of their eyes -it's something to do IN their eyes. I don't know how to explain it, but I still see some 'purity' in their eyes. Jimin can be sneaky and manipulative for sure - but I get the feeling it's more the juvenile type. I think this 'level' he's at is beyond him. He looks really vacant - I think if he had chosen this, there would be some semblance of sharpness or alertness to his gaze. His gaze used to be very different before the group's success skyrocketed.

I think these two - going by the animal prints in their recent photos - may not be involved in the darker stuff, but there's a still a price to pay so to speak. I'm nearly 100% sure that Jimin is used for 'certain' purposes, as horrible as that sounds. If you read the lyrics of serendipity...idk, it creeps me out. No man would sing those lyrics.

Don't know about JK, but the animal print got me thinking.
 

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thanks for sharing this. that is really sad, I hope things get better. I didn't know it was a generational thing. my great grandmother used to practice black magic on my grandma, and because I grew up in that same house I think it explains my sleep paralysis attacks and multitude of other issues. & your english is good
I believe one of my great grandparents used to practise bad medicine so there's always been this evil spirit that has been passed on through generations in my family because of that.

A medicine man (a good one) told my dad during a sweat that the bad spirit that attacks him during his sleep due to the choices one his previous relatives made will continue to be passed down unless he tries to get rid of it. He almost didn't attend the ceremony that day because he was feeling down thinking there was no point in trying to get rid of it and the medicine man told him he knew he had considered not coming to him for cleansing bcause that evil spirit had been placing bad thoughts in his mind to try to deter him from going. He's since gotten rid of it but it's now been passed down to me and my brother because we suffer from sleep paralysis, depression etc bc of it latching onto us now.
 

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I've always been a bit iffy on Jhope as well tbh, ever since they first debuted. I can't get a clear read on him at all. All I can say for sure is that he's a serious person and that he does a good job of keeping his private and public personas separate.

With JK and Jimin, it's not so much that they're young and 'look' innocent - or the shape of their eyes -it's something to do IN their eyes. I don't know how to explain it, but I still see some 'purity' in their eyes. Jimin can be sneaky and manipulative for sure - but I get the feeling it's more the juvenile type. I think this 'level' he's at is beyond him. He looks really vacant - I think if he had chosen this, there would be some semblance of sharpness or alertness to his gaze. His gaze used to be very different before the group's success skyrocketed.

I think these two - going by the animal prints in their recent photos - may not be involved in the darker stuff, but there's a still a price to pay so to speak. I'm nearly 100% sure that Jimin is used for 'certain' purposes, as horrible as that sounds. If you read the lyrics of serendipity...idk, it creeps me out. No man would sing those lyrics.

Don't know about JK, but the animal print got me thinking.

I know it was said when they had their US promos how Jimin attracted both men and women. He has that kind of appeal.



I believe one of my great grandparents used to practise bad medicine so there's always been this evil spirit that has been passed on through generations in my family because of that.

A medicine man (a good one) told my dad during a sweat that the bad spirit that attacks him during his sleep due to the choices one his previous relatives made will continue to be passed down unless he tries to get rid of it. He almost didn't attend the ceremony that day because he was feeling down thinking there was no point in trying to get rid of it and the medicine man told him he knew he had considered not coming to him for cleansing bcause that evil spirit had been placing bad thoughts in his mind to try to deter him from going. He's since gotten rid of it but it's now been passed down to me and my brother because we suffer from sleep paralysis, depression etc bc of it latching onto us now.

How do you break these things to end them?
 

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How do you break these things to end them?
In my culture, you have to keep attending sweats which are essentially prayer circles where you smudge with sage to try to ward off any negative spirits and cleanse your soul.

I've never attended one but I probably should. I've learned to control my sleep paralysis though and I just know when it's coming because my ear starts to vibrate and I hear static. That's usually right before I hear it whisper my name in my ear and then I can't move. It's terrifying.
 

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I've always been a bit iffy on Jhope as well tbh, ever since they first debuted. I can't get a clear read on him at all. All I can say for sure is that he's a serious person and that he does a good job of keeping his private and public personas separate.

With JK and Jimin, it's not so much that they're young and 'look' innocent - or the shape of their eyes -it's something to do IN their eyes. I don't know how to explain it, but I still see some 'purity' in their eyes. Jimin can be sneaky and manipulative for sure - but I get the feeling it's more the juvenile type. I think this 'level' he's at is beyond him. He looks really vacant - I think if he had chosen this, there would be some semblance of sharpness or alertness to his gaze. His gaze used to be very different before the group's success skyrocketed.

I think these two - going by the animal prints in their recent photos - may not be involved in the darker stuff, but there's a still a price to pay so to speak. I'm nearly 100% sure that Jimin is used for 'certain' purposes, as horrible as that sounds. If you read the lyrics of serendipity...idk, it creeps me out. No man would sing those lyrics.

Don't know about JK, but the animal print got me thinking.
Yeah it's definitely not the shape of their eyes I didn't mean it in a literal sense lol I think all of them can be used no matter the context. No one's off limits. But I do think there would be a special preference for the maknae line especially judging from their new concept picture.
 

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Speaking of cross-dressing in women's clothing for humiliation.. Don't forget during the Go Go Snow White dance practice, Tae looked extremely peeved. Even the way he abruptly started Rock, Paper, Scissors implied he was annoyed. Some of them throughout kept giving him the eye as if they were trying to communicate to him he needed to pull it together. I wonder if he already knew he was going to have to be Snow White?



This could've been around the time he lost his friend too, cant recall.
 

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I think these two - going by the animal prints in their recent photos - may not be involved in the darker stuff, but there's a still a price to pay so to speak. I'm nearly 100% sure that Jimin is used for 'certain' purposes, as horrible as that sounds. If you read the lyrics of serendipity...idk, it creeps me out. No man would sing those lyrics.
I agree about this, i think he is being used and that's why his eyes looks so sad.
Watching his latest vlive I noticed one minute he was acting like a child and the other minute he was licking his lips and acting all seductive to the camera. It was confusing and I got a weird feeling watching him

And if you look at the MAMA performance from 2014 and you compare that Jimin to the Jimin we see now is like he is a different person
I understand he can mature but it was the oposite with him. Now that he is older he acts more like a child, all soft and innocent it's like he aged backwards :confused:

did you guys notice that in Burn the stage he keeps talking about alcohol? I saw fans making jokes about this on twitter but for me this is strange. seems like he drinks a lot and it's thinking about getting drunk all the time. Maybe trying to escape his reality? I don't know
 

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Speaking of cross-dressing in women's clothing for humiliation.. Don't forget during the Go Go Snow White dance practice, Tae looked extremely peeved. Even the way he abruptly started Rock, Paper, Scissors implied he was annoyed. Some of them throughout kept giving him the eye as if they were trying to communicate to him he needed to pull it together. I wonder if he already knew he was going to have to be Snow White?



This could've been around the time he lost his friend too, cant recall.
yeah fans noticed he looked very off in that video
Maybe it has to do with his friend but it's obvious he was in a bad mood
 

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It depends on how you perceive it.

If you believe God is a natural life force, yeah go ahead
But if you believe hes an actual human like some people do.... it just doesn't make sense

and there has never been proof for the fact that Satan exists.. i've never heard of people getting visited by him, if anything its just demonic spirits
Thanks for the peaceful response. Christianity in itself is a difficult concept. It's hard to believe but really, a lot of the data or proof is empirical. I'm too young to have a heavy grasp on all of the tangible data anyways. But I'll try to learn and open my mind even more
 

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I've always been a bit iffy on Jhope as well tbh, ever since they first debuted. I can't get a clear read on him at all. All I can say for sure is that he's a serious person and that he does a good job of keeping his private and public personas separate.
Exactly. It's quite clear to see that he wants to keep his private life and public persona separated - which I can definitely respect that because we, fans don't have to know the real him (as long as he isn't doing anything criminal).

V for sure has regret. I think he's angry too. Throw in guilt and shame too. He was possibly the most naive out of all of them and naive people are dangerous in the wrong hands. I think we need to keep in mind that sometimes, bad choices don't present themselves as black and white. That's why people make mistakes, sometimes fatal ones. That's why coercion works. He may have been given a choice, he may not have. If he was given a choice, it would have been either a very difficult one or presented in such a way that he didn't realise what the outcome would be.
It's funny how puberty hits a young man like Taehyung. He looked so young and innocent when he first debut; a kid who I would not think of singing neo-soul songs like Stigma and Singularity once he hit his 20s. The original appeal of his charm has changed quite a lot. From an expressive, playful boy who loved aegyo to this sultry (extremely) handsome dashing man who occasionally does aegyo - this is only because of fan-service. Not very sure whether it's guilt or regret but he may be one of those who seriously lacks of sleep (he seems to post fancafe posts on wee hours and I did read once about him having difficulty in sleeping during Wings era/post-Wings era.) He probably still retains some of his innocence for all we know but he seems to be reticent about his problems, even to his members.

I don't think RM feels any of those things. He seems calculating. Yoongi...I get the feeling he goes back and forth. I feel like he's not 100% content...but he's leaning towards RM's side.
These two are the most obvious and super ambitious. They literally want to rule the world. In addition to that, Yoongi is most probably that person who can sleep well anywhere and anytime (as opposed to Tae).
 
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