BTS discussion thread

[the world is a stage]

Wow, thank you so much. You are so knowledgeable, it feels like u're my teacher, lol. Really appreciate this.

Oh thank you very much, although I don't think I'm knowledgeable. God bless.

 

[DarkAndWild]

Yea, i always read people saying that that song is positive because for them BTS is saying "don't waste yourself on us" ...but isn't it the opposite?
It's like BTS know very well how their fanbase is and keep on feeding them with matherial , also saying things like "you won't be punished" and to keep on following.

BTS are literally walking, talking contradictions. They claim to care about their fans and yet here they are deceiving them with their subliminal music, mocking them for their die-hard obsession, not to mention manipulating fans into getting emotionally attached to them by overexposing their personalities (like gosh we don’t need to know every single detail of you...) but of course fans are oblivious, they’ll feed on any content BTS offers them. It’s like a drug addiction. Tbh I always secretly wished that BTS would have a scandal so that the obsession would die down a little lol I feel guilty for saying that but it’s the truth

 

[Wandering mind]

The true meaning of the song "Pied Piper" (bts)

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I do not understand how many Army can believe this song has a positive message. Because in reality it is a mocking song, based on the legend "The Pied Piper of Hamelin".

The Pied Piper of Hamelin (German: Rattenfänger von Hameln, also known as the Pan Piper or the Rat-Catcher of Hamelin) is the titular character of a legend from the town of Hamelin (Hameln), Lower Saxony, Germany. The legend dates back to the Middle Ages, the earliest references describing a piper, dressed in multicolored ("pied") clothing, who was a rat-catcher hired by the town to lure rats away[1] with his magic pipe. When the citizens refuse to pay for this service, he retaliates by using his instrument's magical power on their children, leading them away as he had the rats. This version of the story spread as folklore and has appeared in the writings of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, the Brothers Grimm, and Robert Browning, among others.
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And that's what bts songs are all about: their members seduce and manipulate their followers, drawing them deeper into dependency.


PAN -- GREEK GOAT GOD OF THE FOREST AND OF CHAOS
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Pan was a greek goat pagan nature god of the woods, a sylvan, and satyr or faun who played the pan pipes or flute. Pan as a prefix means "all". Pantheism as a religion is a belief that all is god. A panacea is a cure for all diseases.

Pangea is the original one continent from which all our continents drifted. Pan is who we get the words panic and pandemonium from and also where we get the cooking utensil the frying pan. It is also a term used on movie sets to describe the lateral movement of the camera when filming.

Flutes or pan pipes as wind pipes are wood winds and also wind instruments. Pan is shown on the cover of the classical book The Wind in the Willows. The pagan Pan was later demonized and turned into the Devil by the Christian church just like Lucifer as a fallen angel was equated with the Devil. Whether Pan is Lucifer or whether Lucifer is the Devil I cannot say with certainty as there is much debate. As the horned goat god or satyr Pan may be one of the aspects of either Lucifer or Satan. The song Stairway to Heaven features a recorder that mimics a soft pan flute at the beginning of the song almost whispering like the whispering wind that's referenced in the song. I believe the songs Stairway to Heaven, Hotel California and The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper are all referring to Lucifer, the Light-bearer. The album Sgt. Peppers even has the song Lucy (Lucifer) in the Sky with Diamonds. Lucifer according to the dictionary is actually female and is Venus.

Pan, the Devil, plays a tune on his pan pipes. The Pied Piper is a many-colored Piper -- that's what pied means, many-colored -- and leads the children (of god) with his pipe (nde tunnel) into the rock / mountain (moon is a rock). And why the name "Peter Pan"? Petr means rock (moon?), also fuel (energy source) and Pan mean "all" which would be "all" frequencies combined: white.

The Devil is known to use a "pitch" fork to goad souls to Hell. Nep-TUNE has the trident or pitchfork too. A pitch fork is a tuning fork. So you have a tune or note/frequency and you have a fork which is a many pronged instrument. Think of a fork with seven rays of light or seven prongs and like a fork they all funnel into one like the handle on the fork we eat with, The trident or three-pronged pitchfork may symbolize the three colors red-green-blue since our eyes have three color receptors and all the colors of the rainbow can be made with those three colors. So all the different colors of souls funnel through the tunnel or tune-l into the band of white light which is all frequencies combined. Since it's all combined it would resonate with every single color or frequency of souls... the light is electromagnetic so there could be magnetic resonance like in an MRI. In the television mini-series named "Neverland" Peter plays his pipe and a huge tunnel opens up. There are literally dozens and dozens of accounts of near death experiencers who report going through a pipe or tunnel, hearing music or tones while in it, experiencing swirling colors and feeling a wind as they emerge into the white light, which is the combination of ALL colors. Peter Pan could be translated as "Father All".

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Pan was a piper and a shepherd, probably the pied piper who led all the rats to their death in the river by playing his flute. The Pied Piper of Hamelin also played a magic flute. The beginning of the 1957 movie the pied piper literally slithers down from the top of a tree. This obviously equates him with the serpent in the garden of Eden. He is playing the song In The Hall of The Mountain King which certainly matches the forest god Pan and Peter Pan who lived in a tree underground. The word pied means multi or dual-colored and he paints a rainbow in the air using his pipe as a magic wand. The goateed Piper bargains with the mayor of Hamelin and makes a deal to lure all the rats out of the city for all the money they have. He fulfills the deal before the moon falls by leading all the rats down a stairway with his magic flute playing ending with the rats drowning themselves in the river. He then demands that the mayor "pay the piper", but when the mayor reneges on paying he sets about on revenge, fulfilling his trickster role. He is sitting on the rim of a rock or stone well and then climbs up into the bell tower where there is a revolving door with dead bodies. He begins playing his magic flute and leads all the children down the mountain path, opens a gateway into the mountainside and all the children follow him into the rock mountain. Similar to the tales of the siren, by playing his magical flute or pipe he lured all the children of Hamelin to their death in a mountain named Kopperburg. The heavy metal rock band Led Zeppelin who was heavily into the occult features recorders which sound like a pan flute at the beginning of the song Stairway to Heaven and sings "the piper's calling you to join along" Pan was the piper at the gates of dawn in the book The Wind in the Willows. The band Pink Floyd have a song called Piper at the Gates of Dawn and The Wind in the Willows is a traditional celtic folk song. Van Morrison has a song called Piper At the Gates of Dawn and also an album called Pay the Devil which is probably an allusion for the famous idiom "Pay the Piper" and thereby reveals the piper as the Devil.
Source:
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/TricksterGod.shtml



Pied Piper - translation

It’s bad so it’s better

You know on the inside

You can’t stop it now (you can’t stop)

So be honest with me

Stop

Now stop watching and study for your test

Your parents and director hate me

Video clips, pictures, tweets

V app, Bon Voyage

I know, you can’t help what you like

But stop, interpret the music video later

You have so many pictures of me in your room anyway

It’s not just one hour, it’s a whole year that’ll disappear

So this song is an award I’m giving to you

Good

You’re not being punished

Come here, I’m your paradise

Can’t close your eyes

Can’t close your eyes

You can throw a fit but it’s no use

(Don’t reject me)

Just close your eyes, tune your ears

Follow the sound of the pipe, follow this song

It’s a bit dangerous but I’m so sweet

I’m here to save you, I’m here to ruin you

You called me, see? I’m so sweet

Follow the sound of the pipe

I’m takin’ over you

I’m takin’ over you

You know it has already started

The moment you hear that sound

Maybe I’m a bit dangerous

Like the pied piper

I’m testing you

Like the fruit from the tree of good and evil

My pipe awakens everything

That sound burns you up even more

You’re pulled by it, you react

I’m endlessly blowing

I’m your guilty pleasure

You can’t escape

Never

You’re not being punished

Come here, I’m your paradise

Can’t close your eyes

Can’t close your eyes

You can throw a fit but it’s no use

(Don’t reject me)

Just close your eyes, tune your ears

Follow the sound of the pipe, follow this song

It’s a bit dangerous but I’m so sweet

I’m here to save you, I’m here to ruin you

You called me, see? I’m so sweet

Follow the sound of the pipe

Yeah, I’m a bit dangerous

I can’t even handle myself

Don’t worry, my hands

They’re only warm for you

If I’m ruining you right now

Please forgive me

Because you can’t live without me

Because you know all of this

I’m takin’ over you

I’m takin’ over you

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BTS is the 'piper', leading their fans away from their responsibilities.

Thank you for this informative post, I learned a lot today thanks to you. When I read the translation of Pied Piper song I didn't feel comfortable and I didn't get how a whole fandom saying that they ask us to study and stuff by releasing this song, BTS feeding the fandom by their RUN episodes, Bon voyage, and every now and then there is a vote for an award, and most importantly is when you say in an interview or smth after a release that you're aiming for top 10 ot whatever so the fans could stream, like who are you fooling seriously? This is just illogique and that song is ridiculing fans but fans are so consumed by them to know that.

 

[Maggieca]

Indeed. And I don't see how this song with this kind of lyrics be associated with Love Yourself theme. It's just so wrong... @.@

the meaning of the song is the oposite of loving yourself
You are following a group, worshiping them and doing everything they tell you to do while they sing "I'm taking over you" lol

 

[Maggieca]

The worst Armys, in my opinion, are the ones who fall themselves "hard-stans" and oversexualize the members. It's honestly so hard to find a fan account on Instagram that doesn't put a sexual comment in their captions. It disgusted me so much.

I agree it's very disturibing. I follow a few accounts for news and they also tweet those sexual fanarts of the members together
And all of them sexualize the smallest things about BTS, if they are doing a choreo and they show a bit of skin fans go insane zooming in on their bodies or their pants I'm like how desperate can you be?

And I agree the fandom will be the reason for their downfall, they are too intense and agressive

 

[HappyAlfredo]

Indeed. And I don't see how this song with this kind of lyrics be associated with Love Yourself theme. It's just so wrong... @.@

Someone explained it once on Bts Reddit but apparently Love Yourself: Her is about superficial love. So it's part of the story line. Tear is going to be about, I guess, the opposite of love and the results of what happened in Her, so it all falls apart. And then Answer should conclude the story.

It's like you should "Love Yourself" first or these things happen to you and your relationships. That's my interpretation.

 

[Maggieca]

BigHit just posted this about the comeback

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/992057981406658560

this part: "Living is going to be more painful than dying, do you still want to live?"

Isn't this concept too heavy? I just have a bad feeling about the whole thing

 

[HappyAlfredo]

BigHit just posted this about the comeback

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/992057981406658560

this part: "Living is going to be more painful than dying, do you still want to live?"

Isn't this concept too heavy? I just have a bad feeling about the whole thing

There's so much suicide in this concept. It's lowkey triggering.

 

[Openyoureyes]

it's trending 1st so i checked the tweets and i just read some quotes from the note and it changed my mood , i know I'm not mentally nor emotionally strong but idk I felt a sudden emptiness when reading the dying harder than living quotation. This cb is re all gonna be heavy nd dark

 

[Maggieca]

it's trending 1st so i checked the tweets and i just read some quotes from the note and it changed my mood , i know I'm not mentally nor emotionally strong but idk I felt a sudden emptiness when reading the dying harder than living quotation. This cb is re all gonna be heavy nd dark

The company knows a huge amount of their fans suffer depression (they even asked them) and I'm afraid this concept could trigger some bad feelings in them, especially the younger ones I really hope I'm wrong

 

[DarkAndWild]

Can anyone tell me if there’s any significant meaning behind the moon? I’ve noticed they’ve been using it a lot...





Not to mention ep 6 of burn the stage was titled : Moonchild

 

[Maggieca]

Don't know much but user Mochiamour explained a bit about the Moonchild subject not long ago:

"Has anyone heard Taehyung's song called 4 O'Clock? Many people claim it's about Jimin, but it's about the feeling he gets while watching the dawn with a friend(mostly Jimin). It seems like it's kind of their thing to sneak out late into the night and they've always done this even before debut.

Anyways, there's a few lines from the song that caught my attention. If anyone's heard of Aleister Crowley, he's the most well-known occultist, he wrote a book called 'Moonchild'. It's essentially about keeping a girl in seclusion to impregnate her with an ethereal being(a perfect soul) to improve the human race.

4AM also falls into the realm of "witching" hour where paranormal creatures such as demons, poltergeists, witches etc are at their most powerful and evil comes out to play. The history behind this comes from the fact that the Catholic church's prayers and services are marked by the Canonical hours, which are three hours in length. Between 3AM and 4AM there were no prayers, making it prime time for evil forces.

Now onto my theory...

Lines from his single:
Today, too, I go on living just enough
Keeping in step, wearing my feet out just enough
The sun makes me breathless
The world has stripped me of all I have
Without a choice, with no other alternative,
Under the moonlight I am picking up my scattered self
I call you moonchild
We are the children of the moon

Explanation of a moonchild and the rituals:
"The Moonchild rituals are the rituals to demonize a fetus. However, the demons that are invoked are not the small ones, but very powerful ones. In working with victims of this programming, it is clear that high level demons were placed within these people at very early ages. It is believed many of them were demonized before they were born by rituals like the Moonchild rituals. Blood sacrifices and human sacrifices are always required for this level of magic."

Now as explained, moonchildren are often a product of heavy occult practices prior to birth. So if we're going by tradition, neither Taehyung nor Jimin would qualify as an actual moonchild. But in that regard, there's also never been evidence that these rituals haven't been executed on children after birth.

Quote from Moonchild:
“To produce a man who should not be bound up in his heredity, and should have the environment which they desired for him.”

More theories:
In the book Moonchild, the villa used to produce a Moonchild was called “The Butter-fly-Net”. The Monarch Project (which is named after the Monarch butterfly) is also an allusion to the Moonchild project where Butterflies are an allusion to souls (what Christians call demonic spirits).

The creation of the Moonchildren within the Monarch Project involves high level magic by the circle of Illuminati black magicians who are involved with a particular individual’s programming.

So in conclusion, do I think they are actual moonchildren? Probably not. Taehyung could just have a special attachment to the moon, I've always been drawn to the moon and am not a moonchild, to my knowledge haha I just found it interesting they would use that terminology given the occult context.

Also, RM is the one who produced and wrote the song. He seems to be the main one who keeps a close relationship with their CEO when it comes to writing and producing concepts etc. RM is known to be into philosophy and their boss majored in Aesthetics (Philosophy +Art) as well"

 

[Openyoureyes]

The company knows a huge amount of their fans suffer depression (they even asked them) and I'm afraid this concept could trigger some bad feelings in them, especially the younger ones I really hope I'm wrong

I like dark concepts, most of my favourite songs are dark and sad ( my ult fav living artist is Lana del Rey and it's obvious that her music isn't happy and bubbly ) but I never felt this way ,they really have their way .
oh and there's a symbol that some armys say it means : BTS Universe ,what do you guys think about it ?

 

[Maggieca]

oh and there's a symbol that some armys say it means : BTS Universe ,what do you guys think about it ?

maybe it's about the alternative universe from all these short clips and the characters they are playing in the story
They are trying to separate that universe from the songs and performances but as we can see it's all related somehow

we will have to wait until the end of the series to see what was the point of this alternative universe because until now it makes no sense to me

 

[Wandering mind]

BigHit just posted this about the comeback

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/992057981406658560

this part: "Living is going to be more painful than dying, do you still want to live?"

Isn't this concept too heavy? I just have a bad feeling about the whole thing

This is triggering in my opinion, I don't know how the concept is going to be because when they were teasing for LY with the highlights, I thought the lead track is going to be dark but turned out to be a "cute" song aka DNA.

 

[ShiningCarat14]

Are bts trying to push the "narcissism" agenda?? and to have the same satan's insolent pride, selfish and narcissistic traits??

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This lead me to take a closer look at some other devilish features and surprisingly (or not) they could easily be terms used to describe a narcissist.

Deceiver
Narcissists lie. A lot. Like nearly all the time. In fact they do it so much that they struggle to recognise the truth when it hits them in the face. It's almost as if the truth is their mortal enemy. Hmmmm ......

They Tempt Us Into Evil
Being with a narcissist is a lot like an addiction. We know it is bad for us but we can't give it up. Usually because we have developed trauma bonds through the torture inflicted on us. The desire is too great at times.

Thieves
A narcissist robs you of everything. Love, joy, hope, happiness, health, wealth, children. You name it, a narc will take it.

Murderer
Aside from the obvious that narcissists do physically kill people, they also murder our souls. Many a victim will commit suicide to escape the Hell the narc has inflicted on them. Those who stay, die a slow and painful death due to health problems. Murderer indeed.

Distorts the truth
Gaslighting and projection were invented by narcissists to distort the truth. The devil himself would be proud I am sure.

So you can see what I am getting it. Whether you believe that the narcissist is an actual minion of Satan or even an incarnation of the devil himself or not, you cannot ignore the similarities. (btw narcissism can attract evil presence like demons/djinns)




I read an article a long time ago when you start to thinking that those idols are on your side or whatever and then you start following those idols and giving them props and everything and you're actually charging up the demon inside of them and then eventually you get so into that person thinking that they're a good person that you get sucked in and now you're getting subliminally programmed by those 'false' idols, this is why a lot of times if you think about music like kpop or something a lot of times they're first album or their second album or something like that will be really good but then as time goes on you see how their albums are becoming more and more of a program this is how they're trying to pull you in and reel you in little by little and eventually every time you listen to this artist you're in a beta brainwave and now you're just getting totally programmed you're not even listening to the words of the song, the beat has you hypnotized and then the words are just getting wrote down into your subconscious mind, they're running a script on you so you have to realize that this is what's going on, none of these idols are conscious, none of these celebrities are spiritual not one of them.
you guys don't even realize that those idols have come gods to you that you worship do when you go to their concerts and you're clapping in all this and then they're on stage doing this they're pulling in all of that energy these celebrities are your gods and you don't even realize so you really need to get in tune with what's real here and realize that there's a lot of trickery going around a lot of people playing on, your emotions playing on, your subconscious mind playing on, a lot of stuff and it's just sad bc people look up to these idols and they don't realize that they're really looking up to a demon.
I don't want to get too far into this just be careful who you're looking up to and you know realize that you guys are giving the energy to these demons empowering them up too so you're part of the problem too when you're doing it.

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song minho (winner)'s drawing looks like demons/djinns..​

Thank you for this wow this is so true and it’s scary some of these fans are very young so their brain is still developing and getting all this done to it could be damaging in the long run

 

[ShiningCarat14]

BigHit just posted this about the comeback

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/992057981406658560

this part: "Living is going to be more painful than dying, do you still want to live?"

Isn't this concept too heavy? I just have a bad feeling about the whole thing

And here I was thinking their older stuff was too much how can they go darker? I’m afraid for this comeback actually what is going on I believe they’ve got hints leading up to something
I guess they have to pay for getting all the fame they are

 

[Openyoureyes]

Are bts trying to push the "narcissism" agenda?? and to have the same satan's insolent pride, selfish and narcissistic traits??

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This lead me to take a closer look at some other devilish features and surprisingly (or not) they could easily be terms used to describe a narcissist.

Deceiver
Narcissists lie. A lot. Like nearly all the time. In fact they do it so much that they struggle to recognise the truth when it hits them in the face. It's almost as if the truth is their mortal enemy. Hmmmm ......

They Tempt Us Into Evil
Being with a narcissist is a lot like an addiction. We know it is bad for us but we can't give it up. Usually because we have developed trauma bonds through the torture inflicted on us. The desire is too great at times.

Thieves
A narcissist robs you of everything. Love, joy, hope, happiness, health, wealth, children. You name it, a narc will take it.

Murderer
Aside from the obvious that narcissists do physically kill people, they also murder our souls. Many a victim will commit suicide to escape the Hell the narc has inflicted on them. Those who stay, die a slow and painful death due to health problems. Murderer indeed.

Distorts the truth
Gaslighting and projection were invented by narcissists to distort the truth. The devil himself would be proud I am sure.

So you can see what I am getting it. Whether you believe that the narcissist is an actual minion of Satan or even an incarnation of the devil himself or not, you cannot ignore the similarities. (btw narcissism can attract evil presence like demons/djinns)




I read an article a long time ago when you start to thinking that those idols are on your side or whatever and then you start following those idols and giving them props and everything and you're actually charging up the demon inside of them and then eventually you get so into that person thinking that they're a good person that you get sucked in and now you're getting subliminally programmed by those 'false' idols, this is why a lot of times if you think about music like kpop or something a lot of times their first album or their second album or something like that will be really good but then as time goes on you see how their albums are becoming more and more of a program this is how they're trying to pull you in and reel you in little by little and eventually every time you listen to this artist you're in a beta brainwave and now you're just getting totally programmed you're not even listening to the words of the song, the beat has you hypnotized and then the words are just getting wrote down into your subconscious mind, they're running a script on you so you have to realize that this is what's going on, none of these idols are conscious, none of these celebrities are spiritual not one of them.
you guys don't even realize that those idols have come gods to you that you worship, when you go to their concerts and you're clapping in all this and then they're on stage doing this they're pulling in all of that energy these celebrities are your gods and you don't even realize so you really need to get in tune with what's real here and realize that there's a lot of trickery going around a lot of people playing on, your emotions playing on, your subconscious mind playing on, a lot of stuff and it's just sad bc people look up to these idols and they don't realize that they're really looking up to a demon.
I don't want to get too far into this just be careful who you're looking up to and you know realize that you guys are giving the energy to these demons empowering them up too so you're part of the problem too when you're doing it.

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song minho (winner)'s drawing looks like demons/djinns..​

Oh wow !! that was really mind blowing and accurate .Thank you so so much

 

[Openyoureyes]

guys , so I was watching a video about Bruno Mars in "A call for uprising" channel and he was talking about blood sacrifices and celebrities who have deaths around them just around the time they rose to fame , and he said it's not a coincidence bcuz the ppl they lost were the blood sacrifices and it's what the elite is about , he showed a list of very famous figures and the ppl they sacrificed to get fame and wealth , some even sacrificed their sons (oh my ) and even mothers while some sacrificed their friends , cousins or other relatives

 

[Maggieca]

guys , so I was watching a video about Bruno Mars in "A call for uprising" channel and he was talking about blood sacrifices and celebrities who have deaths around them just around the time they rose to fame , and he said it's not a coincidence bcuz the ppl they lost were the blood sacrifices and it's what the elite is about , he showed a list of very famous figures and the ppl they sacrificed to get fame and wealth , some even sacrificed their sons (oh my ) and even mothers while some sacrificed their friends , cousins or other relatives

Yeah thats very common with celebrities. A lot of people think Kanye West sacrificed his mother and thats why he went crazy after that
There was an actress called jennifer hudson who had like 3 family members killed after winning a major award

And also lady gaga. One of her best friends died before she debuted and a lot of people think Gaga stole her style and image

Its all speculation but very scary stuff