Origins of Freemasonry, is it Satanic?

[Helioform]

First of all there is absolutely nothing perfect about this narrative at all, on the contrary, It's very very far from perfect.

You appear to under this delusion that your in some way higher than us non Masonic folk.

Even your choice of music clearly shows your self righteous attitude.

Call it irony if you like or just a sick sense of humour but this song you posted in the music thread says it all really.

The guy has "conducting chaos" in his signature and expects people to seriously consider what he says as harmless ? He bragged on another thread about his "psychic abilities" and how he could kill people with them. Seriously...

 

[Awoken2]

...He's probably transmuting our doom as we speak, spell book out, cauldron...the lot.

 

[Aero]

Oh wow. Let's character assassinate someone over what music they like.

If you don't like it. Fuck off. Pretty simple.

 

[Awoken2]

Oh wow. Let's character assassinate someone over what music they like.

If you don't like it. Fuck off. Pretty simple.

You charachter assassinated yourself. And I'll stay here thanks, no need to spit your dummy out is there?

 

[Kung Fu]

Freemasons are definitely satanic pagans without a doubt. Their whole religion is absolutely steeped in paganism. It doesn't take a genius to figure out there's something wrong when a big chunk of the elite are Freemasons.

 

[elsbet]

It is.

How far back do you want to go? Some say that this knowledge is preserved from the antediluvian world, and that it originally was given to men by the Watchers. Either way, it is ANCIENT.

They venerate Cain and his descendants-- especially Tubal-Cain. They rely on the works of their *own* hands, rather than gifts of God (Jehovah)-- they consider Him to be the bad guy, but we all know that.

Spoiler

The whole conception underlying the creation story according to the Temple Legend is based upon the fact that there is a kind of enmity between Jehovah and everything which is derived from the other Elohim and their descendants, the ‘Sons of Fire’ — this being the designation of the descendants of Cain according to the Temple Legend. Jehovah creates enmity between Cain and his race, and Abel and his race. The outcome of this was that Cain slew Abel. That is the arch-enmity which exists between those who receive their existence from the divine worlds, and those who work out everything for themselves. The fact that Abel makes the sacrifice of an animal to Jehovah, while Cain brings the fruits of the earth, is an illustration, which the Bible gives too, of this contrast between the race of Cain and the race of Abel. Cain has to wrest from the earth with hard labour the fruits which are necessary for the sustenance of mankind; Abel takes what is already living, what has been prepared for his livelihood. The race of Cain creates, as it were, the living out of the lifeless. Abel takes up what is already alive, what is already imbued with the breath of life. Abel's sacrifice is pleasing to God, but Cain's is not.

Thus we find two kinds of human being characterised in Cain and Abel. The one consists of those who accept what God has prepared for them. The others — the free humanity — are those who till the soil and labour to win living products out of what is lifeless. Those who regard themselves as Sons of Cain are they who understand the Temple Legend and wish to live by it. Out of the race of Cain spring all those who are the creators of the arts and sciences of mankind: Tubal-Cain who is the first true architect and the God of smithies and working tools; and also Hiram-Abiff, or Adonhiram, who is the hero of the Temple Legend.

LECTURE
TEMPLE LEGEND
02 December 1904

 

[floss]

Most freemasons are scumbags of this world that get away with all sort of crime (for now). That's the benefit of worshiping satan. But I know they'll be joining their father, the devil, in the lake of fire.

 

[Helioform]

It is.

How far back do you want to go? Some say that this knowledge is preserved from the antediluvian world, and that it originally was given to men by the Watchers. Either way, it is ANCIENT.

They venerate Cain and his descendants-- especially Tubal-Cain. They rely on the works of their *own* hands, rather than gifts of God (Jehovah)-- they consider Him to be the bad guy, but we all know that.

Spoiler

The whole conception underlying the creation story according to the Temple Legend is based upon the fact that there is a kind of enmity between Jehovah and everything which is derived from the other Elohim and their descendants, the ‘Sons of Fire’ — this being the designation of the descendants of Cain according to the Temple Legend. Jehovah creates enmity between Cain and his race, and Abel and his race. The outcome of this was that Cain slew Abel. That is the arch-enmity which exists between those who receive their existence from the divine worlds, and those who work out everything for themselves. The fact that Abel makes the sacrifice of an animal to Jehovah, while Cain brings the fruits of the earth, is an illustration, which the Bible gives too, of this contrast between the race of Cain and the race of Abel. Cain has to wrest from the earth with hard labour the fruits which are necessary for the sustenance of mankind; Abel takes what is already living, what has been prepared for his livelihood. The race of Cain creates, as it were, the living out of the lifeless. Abel takes up what is already alive, what is already imbued with the breath of life. Abel's sacrifice is pleasing to God, but Cain's is not.

Thus we find two kinds of human being characterised in Cain and Abel. The one consists of those who accept what God has prepared for them. The others — the free humanity — are those who till the soil and labour to win living products out of what is lifeless. Those who regard themselves as Sons of Cain are they who understand the Temple Legend and wish to live by it. Out of the race of Cain spring all those who are the creators of the arts and sciences of mankind: Tubal-Cain who is the first true architect and the God of smithies and working tools; and also Hiram-Abiff, or Adonhiram, who is the hero of the Temple Legend.

LECTURE
TEMPLE LEGEND
02 December 1904

There is evidence to suggest that Cain was actually the first vampire. A curse that God has put on him because of the murder he committed.

Much info on this here (disguised as fiction but still):

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Caine

 

[Alanantic]

Demonization is such a medieval way of...accusation. And, who is the Accuser? (I thinnk it's that horny guy) I find it best to give institutions and people the benefit of the doubt, and, of course, nothing is truly good or bad. It's all relative. One group's terrorist is another group's freedom fighter. There's none who are called evil that think themselves so. We all have reasons for doing what we do, including institutions. And, unless one has intimate knowledge of Freemasonry and has a good reason to point out some wrong doing, isn't it best not to speculate? The only real sin is ignorance of the consequence of our actions.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I think Tolkien had some insight into the nature of Freemasonry and wrote it into his character Saruman ..

"For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman Ring-maker, Saruman of Many Colours!'

I looked then and saw that his robes, which had seemed white, were not so, but were woven of all colours, and if he moved they shimmered and changed hue so that the eye was bewildered.I

liked white better,' I said.

White!' he sneered. 'It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken.'

In which case it is no longer white,' said I. 'And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.' - Gandalf

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings

 

[elsbet]

Demonization is such a medieval way of...accusation. And, who is the Accuser? (I thinnk it's that horny guy) I find it best to give institutions and people the benefit of the doubt, and, of course, nothing is truly good or bad. It's all relative. One group's terrorist is another group's freedom fighter. There's none who are called evil that think themselves so. We all have reasons for doing what we do, including institutions. And, unless one has intimate knowledge of Freemasonry and has a good reason to point out some wrong doing, isn't it best not to speculate? The only real sin is ignorance of the consequence of our actions.

Hmm... no, it's a far cry from demonization.
The info I cited is from 1904, and much of it can be corroborated in their own literature. Whether Albert Pike's Morals & Dogma or Manly P. Hall's Secret Teachings of All Ages... the cat has been out of the proverbial bag for a very long time.

MORALS & DOGMA

THE SECRET TEACHING OF ALL AGES

If you really want to have some fun, check out Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Talking of Albert Pike, I found a purported letter he wrote regarding three world wars curiously close to the way this forum seems to be set up... think about it...

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Good luck with that, Albert...

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

 

[The Zone]

Okay... there seems to be some claiming everything is blamed on Freemasons. But some realize correctly that lower levels are there as a cover where they are often recruited in churches thinking of the organization as being good. It takes some pawns for the operation to go on for the higher leveled people. Not all masons are bad people, some of them are simply gullible until they learn the true or intended craft. Once that happens, those with good hearts leave while others put on the pubah hats from the Flintstones cartoons and enter the cult aspects.

Some here often spin some pretty incredible tales of BS. Those who claim powers or flaunt those claims over and over again rarely have them and are living an alternate existence online persona which may make sense if you consider they are constantly splitting into alters. Perhaps an exorcist is in order, lol.

So, low level masons are harmless. Once truly initiated, they are still pawns in a greater game and have willingly given in to the dark side considering themselves the light of God....just not the God which most think of as kind.

 

[Aero]

A person can't character assassinate themselves. So stop projecting garbage.

I think it's interesting how you all keep clinging to a 100 year old book. If we go back 100 years and look at books about any other thing. We will find some inaccuracies, falsehoods or things that have clearly evolved since then. If you go back to the history of all the major religions, they all splintered into different denominations.

All Christians don't believe the same thing, and neither does every Muslim or Jew. So the whole argument of the freemasons being these evil people is just a projection. I mean what the hell does Albert Pike have to do with 2018?

And BTW still waiting to hear how the Origin of Freemasonry is Satanic. Because as far as I know, Paganism and Satanism hold completely different beliefs. The Origin of masonry goes back far beyond Albert Pike. But that's all you guys got, right?

 

[Vytas]

A person can't character assassinate themselves. So stop projecting garbage.

I think it's interesting how you all keep clinging to a 100 year old book. If we go back 100 years and look at books about any other thing. We will find some inaccuracies, falsehoods or things that have clearly evolved since then. If you go back to the history of all the major religions, they all splintered into different denominations.

All Christians don't believe the same thing, and neither does every Muslim or Jew. So the whole argument of the freemasons being these evil people is just a projection. I mean what the hell does Albert Pike have to do with 2018?

And BTW still waiting to hear how the Origin of Freemasonry is Satanic. Because as far as I know, Paganism and Satanism hold completely different beliefs. The Origin of masonry goes back far beyond Albert Pike. But that's all you guys got, right?

There are many variations of paganism too, while some hold completely innocent childlike beliefs, most of them are just another name/variation of satanism.
As for Masons no point in defending them, their symbols tells it all and then some what they all about. It's like if Christians would start defending Jesuits and saying they are good people, sure some are good people, but highest ranks, system itself, ideals all of it are sinister...

 

[Aero]

There are many variations of paganism too, while some hold completely innocent childlike beliefs, most of them are just another name/variation of satanism.
As for Masons no point in defending them, their symbols tells it all and then some what they all about. It's like if Christians would start defending Jesuits and saying they are good people, sure some are good people, but highest ranks, system itself, ideals all of it are sinister...

Are you trying to be ironic? I can't really tell. But I'm trying to be all about love right now. So therefore nothing can be "sinister".

We are talking about the builders and tradesmen of America. And you all are acting like they were attending "black masses". Like no, they were attending Christian churches. Like pretty much everyone else in America. But I recognize that black masses probably took place. If these people were all disguised as Christians, than who let all the worst shit go down?

 

[Vytas]

Are you trying to be ironic? I can't really tell. But I'm trying to be all about love right now. So therefore nothing can be "sinister".

We are talking about the builders and tradesmen of America. And you all are acting like they were attending "black masses". Like no, they were attending Christian churches. Like pretty much everyone else in America. But I recognize that black masses probably took place. If these people were all disguised as Christians, than who let all the worst shit go down?

No im not trying anything...I said sure there are good people, but they do not define freemasonry, since then organization is defined by lowest rank members ? They learn about their own organization from Dan brown books most likely Why did masons become secret organization after successful start ? Can most commonly used symbols of masonry be explained and what does it tell us about them ?

 

[Mr.Grieves]

That is interesting but how to know if this document hasn't been edited?

Anyhow I was able to find a quote that says basically the same thing, but worded differently:

"Furthermore, that I will keep the secrets of a worthy brother Master Mason as inviolable as my own, when communicated to and received by me as such, murder and treason excepted.*

Furthermore, that I will aid and assist all worthy distressed brother Master Masons, their widows and orphans, I knowing them to be such, so far as their necessities may require and my ability will permit without material injury to myself or family. "

The 'quote' is actually someone's heavily, HEAVILY edited interpretation of existing lines in the book, with like, 200% more insidious inference inserted. It does indeed encourage masons to keep each-other's secrets, even very serious secrets by the 'excepting treason or murder' line, but it A.) doesn't mention crimes directly, only 'secrets'. B.) Does NOT suggest murder and treason are 'optional', C.) Does NOT encourage masons to perjure themselves in court or tell lies/misstruths, D.) Makes no inference about 'sin'.

The handbook is a wacky piece of publication full of pretty 'insider' inforamation on the rituals and practices of Freemasons, but it's also the publication of a single dude, and it's also 101 years old, so it can't exactly be taken to represent the feelings of modern freemasons.

How I know that your 'quote' isn't the unedited original is the same way I supposed it wasn't before doing research: the language is all wrong. The 'quote' is full of modern speech-pattern, and modern loosey-goosey punctuation. A freemason publishing a book a century ago would write like a freemason publishing a book a century ago.

 

[Mr.Grieves]

Freemasons are definitely satanic pagans without a doubt. Their whole religion is absolutely steeped in paganism. It doesn't take a genius to figure out there's something wrong when a big chunk of the elite are Freemasons.

Freemasons are a Christian sect/cult. If you're of a mind to call everything that's not your religion Satanic then sure, Freemasons are Satanic, but there's nothing about Satan in their actual doctrine/rituals, and they give great praise to both Christ and the Bible. You don't HAVE to be a Christian to be a Freemason, but they do expect you to believe in God/Allah at least.

Here's a few examples from the document Helioform and I have been discussing:

"In token of your sincerity, you will detach your
hands and kiss the Bible."


Worshipful Master (approaching the altar) : "My
brother, upon being brought to light in this degree, you
discover the THREE GREAT LIGHTS in Masonry,
by the assistance of the three lesser. The three great
lights in Masonry are the HOLY BIBLE, SQUARE
and COMPASS. The Bible is given as the rule and
guide of our faith ; the Square, to square our actions ;
and the Compass to circumscribe and keep us within
due bounds.* The three lesser lights are three burn-
ing tapers, placed in a triangular form, representing

* In some Lodges they stamp on the floor with the righ* foot,
and strike the palm of the right hand againBt the left.

 

[Aero]

No im not trying anything...I said sure there are good people, but they do not define freemasonry, since then organization is defined by lowest rank members ? They learn about their own organization from Dan brown books most likely Why did masons become secret organization after successful start ? Can most commonly used symbols of masonry be explained and what does it tell us about them ?

You are saying that only a high ranking freemason can define what it's really about. Well there are none of those here. But I do hear you.

And this symbol doesn't seem "Sinister".

Compared to this...