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blissfate

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I wonder how Alice in wonderland relates to the next comeback?
Well, Alice in Wonderland is about mk ultra. This is what I've found:

"The book was inspired by Lewis’ (real name Charles Dodgson) relationship with a minor named Alice Liddell, and is about a young girl dissociating from the trauma of sexual abuse into an alternate reality (her different sizes in the book represent the process of dissociation), but is also about a young girl maturing into puberty.

The mascot/identifier of Alice in Wonderland programming is the rabbit.

In the book, the White Rabbit represents Alice’s handler/programmer, and ‘going down the Rabbit Hole’ is a metaphor for dissociation."

https://thetalkingpot.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/alice-in-wonderland/
 

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watch the first pic. the blue light keeps appearing and is not a coincidence again
wonder if they will use it for the comeback
That looks like lens flare/sensor reflection . It tends to happen when the sun is so bright that it's reflecting off of the camera's image sensor, then off the inside of the lens, and then back onto the image sensor. It's perfectly round because it's the reflection of the sun. And it's a blue tint because it's coming from the image sensor imo.

But yeah, weird coincidence!
 

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Has anyone heard Taehyung's song called 4 O'Clock? Many people claim it's about Jimin, but it's about the feeling he gets while watching the dawn with a friend(mostly Jimin). It seems like it's kind of their thing to sneak out late into the night and they've always done this even before debut.

Anyways, there's a few lines from the song that caught my attention. If anyone's heard of Aleister Crowley, he's the most well-known occultist, he wrote a book called 'Moonchild'. It's essentially about keeping a girl in seclusion to impregnate her with an ethereal being(a perfect soul) to improve the human race.

4AM also falls into the realm of "witching" hour where paranormal creatures such as demons, poltergeists, witches etc are at their most powerful and evil comes out to play. The history behind this comes from the fact that the Catholic church's prayers and services are marked by the Canonical hours, which are three hours in length. Between 3AM and 4AM there were no prayers, making it prime time for evil forces.

Now onto my theory...

Lines from his single:
Today, too, I go on living just enough
Keeping in step, wearing my feet out just enough
The sun makes me breathless
The world has stripped me of all I have
Without a choice, with no other alternative,
Under the moonlight I am picking up my scattered self
I call you moonchild

We are the children of the moon

Explanation of a moonchild and the rituals:
"The Moonchild rituals are the rituals to demonize a fetus. However, the demons that are invoked are not the small ones, but very powerful ones. In working with victims of this programming, it is clear that high level demons were placed within these people at very early ages. It is believed many of them were demonized before they were born by rituals like the Moonchild rituals. Blood sacrifices and human sacrifices are always required for this level of magic."

Now as explained, moonchildren are often a product of heavy occult practices prior to birth. So if we're going by tradition, neither Taehyung nor Jimin would qualify as an actual moonchild. But in that regard, there's also never been evidence that these rituals haven't been executed on children after birth.

Quote from Moonchild:
“To produce a man who should not be bound up in his heredity, and should have the environment which they desired for him.”

More theories:
In the book Moonchild, the villa used to produce a Moonchild was called “The Butter-fly-Net”. The Monarch Project (which is named after the Monarch butterfly) is also an allusion to the Moonchild project where Butterflies are an allusion to souls (what Christians call demonic spirits).

The creation of the Moonchildren within the Monarch Project involves high level magic by the circle of Illuminati black magicians who are involved with a particular individual’s programming.

So in conclusion, do I think they are actual moonchildren? Probably not. Taehyung could just have a special attachment to the moon, I've always been drawn to the moon and am not a moonchild, to my knowledge haha I just found it interesting they would use that terminology given the occult context.

Also, RM is the one who produced and wrote the song. He seems to be the main one who keeps a close relationship with their CEO when it comes to writing and producing concepts etc. RM is known to be into philosophy and their boss majored in Aesthetics (Philosophy +Art) as well.
 

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'Both Jin & V were born in December, both Decembers Child. Both part of the sacrifice rituals. There is an undeniable connection between V & Jin in the HYYH trilogy. That V seems to be the cause.' I read this somewhere and then I realised that they both seem to be the main characters of this story Bighit is been telling for the past 3 years this might mean something but I'm not quite sure yet.
 

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Has anyone heard Taehyung's song called 4 O'Clock? Many people claim it's about Jimin, but it's about the feeling he gets while watching the dawn with a friend(mostly Jimin). It seems like it's kind of their thing to sneak out late into the night and they've always done this even before debut.

Anyways, there's a few lines from the song that caught my attention. If anyone's heard of Aleister Crowley, he's the most well-known occultist, he wrote a book called 'Moonchild'. It's essentially about keeping a girl in seclusion to impregnate her with an ethereal being(a perfect soul) to improve the human race.

4AM also falls into the realm of "witching" hour where paranormal creatures such as demons, poltergeists, witches etc are at their most powerful and evil comes out to play. The history behind this comes from the fact that the Catholic church's prayers and services are marked by the Canonical hours, which are three hours in length. Between 3AM and 4AM there were no prayers, making it prime time for evil forces.

Now onto my theory...

Lines from his single:
Today, too, I go on living just enough
Keeping in step, wearing my feet out just enough
The sun makes me breathless
The world has stripped me of all I have
Without a choice, with no other alternative,
Under the moonlight I am picking up my scattered self
I call you moonchild

We are the children of the moon

Explanation of a moonchild and the rituals:
"The Moonchild rituals are the rituals to demonize a fetus. However, the demons that are invoked are not the small ones, but very powerful ones. In working with victims of this programming, it is clear that high level demons were placed within these people at very early ages. It is believed many of them were demonized before they were born by rituals like the Moonchild rituals. Blood sacrifices and human sacrifices are always required for this level of magic."

Now as explained, moonchildren are often a product of heavy occult practices prior to birth. So if we're going by tradition, neither Taehyung nor Jimin would qualify as an actual moonchild. But in that regard, there's also never been evidence that these rituals haven't been executed on children after birth.

Quote from Moonchild:
“To produce a man who should not be bound up in his heredity, and should have the environment which they desired for him.”

More theories:
In the book Moonchild, the villa used to produce a Moonchild was called “The Butter-fly-Net”. The Monarch Project (which is named after the Monarch butterfly) is also an allusion to the Moonchild project where Butterflies are an allusion to souls (what Christians call demonic spirits).

The creation of the Moonchildren within the Monarch Project involves high level magic by the circle of Illuminati black magicians who are involved with a particular individual’s programming.

So in conclusion, do I think they are actual moonchildren? Probably not. Taehyung could just have a special attachment to the moon, I've always been drawn to the moon and am not a moonchild, to my knowledge haha I just found it interesting they would use that terminology given the occult context.

Also, RM is the one who produced and wrote the song. He seems to be the main one who keeps a close relationship with their CEO when it comes to writing and producing concepts etc. RM is known to be into philosophy and their boss majored in Aesthetics (Philosophy +Art) as well.
very interesting
Its unlikely the rituals happened before birth but a lot of these celebrities are sold to the industry by their parents
I talked about Jimin's father in the old thread and how he used to own a cafe dedicated to Jimin, the whole place had an "alice in wonderland" theme (typical MK ultra theme)
I think their parents are similar to the parents of Disney stars, they give their children to the industry when they are just teenagers and maknae line members were very young when they joined the company so they could be part of rituals from an early age
 

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What do you think they do if a certain member disagrees with their practice of selling their souls? Bc im not 100% you can manipulate them into going through with it if they disagree

Same goes with their rituals if they do happen to do them
 

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What do you think they do if a certain member disagrees with their practice of selling their souls? Bc im not 100% you can manipulate them into going through with it if they disagree
Based on my understandings, I think they would have consequences. I feel like they probably wouldn’t really be able to move forward with their career.
 

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Based on my understandings, I think they would have consequences. I feel like they probably wouldn’t really be able to move forward with their career.
But if they have been planning it for a while I really doubt they'd give up if one of the members disagree with it in some way considering how much they went through

It just doesn't seem realistic since Taehyung is somewhat of a christian
 

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But if they have been planning it for a while I really doubt they'd give up if one of the members disagree with it in some way
No, that specific member would most likely be targeted. I do not see them allowing one of the members to continue on without agreeing to go along with their plans. They’d probably be kicked out and blacklisted, if not worst.
 

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very interesting
Its unlikely the rituals happened before birth but a lot of these celebrities are sold to the industry by their parents
I talked about Jimin's father in the old thread and how he used to own a cafe dedicated to Jimin, the whole place had an "alice in wonderland" theme (typical MK ultra theme)
I think their parents are similar to the parents of Disney stars, they give their children to the industry when they are just teenagers and maknae line members were very young when they joined the company so they could be part of rituals from an early age
Yes I've seen his fathers 'Alice in Wonderland' themed cafe. On one hand, I can understand that it could've had potential to be a cute shop with the whole tea and crumpets/furniture deal but the shrine he had of Jimin was just weird. They have another son so I don't understand why it was only about him when the theme was supposed to be something else lol maybe it just came down to promoting their sons group.

It's hard to say what kind of childhood he had because so little is known about his family so we have to go by his words. That isn't necessarily a bad thing since it's none of our business but it would definitely help to put some pieces of the puzzle together.
 

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I joined the fandom a couple of months ago, i was actually an ex kpop fan. I used to to stan tvxq but after their split i started to see the kpop industry for what it really was so i backed off. I didnt really want to support slave owners and abusers. Im back because of bts but theres no denying in how weird i find this whole thing. I literally had to search " how did bts become popular? " "why is bts so popular?" on google. I guess they debuted at the right time where social media is thriving. But, the conspiracy theorist part of me belives theres something deeper. I mean look at all the symbolism. recently i just find taehyungs behaviour to be very worrying. He seems distant and kind of sad. I cried watching euphoria because i just feel like something bad will happen to jin cause they keep killing him off in all their mvs. As much as their music is fun its also kind off depressing in a way. I just wish them the best............... ps: i love this thread.
 

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I know a lot of you don't believe in ships and I'm normally not the person "shipping celebrities", but I believe that Taehyung and Jungkook are a thing. Look how bighit always cuts their moments out. Especially in burn the stage when JK was in pain. They often cut Taehyungs part out. Maybe I'm just delusional or crazy. If taekook isn't real, why bighit keep cutting their interactions?

Watch this video, it's very interesting.
what do you think about Tae's sign? It looks like a satanic sign? But it means "I love you". It's not the first time taekook use coded sign to communicate with each other.
When I first got into bts and started watching their videos I actually noticed how close taekook are. Jungkook did mention in burn the stage how v helped him get out of his shell. I do believe there's something between them. Aside from all the shipping bullshit I kinda feel something is serious a bit. Especially how in recent videos the two aren't put together at all.
 

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I know a lot of you don't believe in ships and I'm normally not the person "shipping celebrities", but I believe that Taehyung and Jungkook are a thing. Look how bighit always cuts their moments out. Especially in burn the stage when JK was in pain. They often cut Taehyungs part out. Maybe I'm just delusional or crazy. If taekook isn't real, why bighit keep cutting their interactions?

Watch this video, it's very interesting.
what do you think about Tae's sign? It looks like a satanic sign? But it means "I love you". It's not the first time taekook use coded sign to communicate with each other.
Please tell me you are not one of those people that if two idols stand or talk to each other automatically means their dating, and I mean their friends so why wouldn't they talk to each other? Jungkook did say he is closest to Tae but Tae said that he is closer with Jimin plus we should not assume things we don't know anything about their sexuality all we know both of them could be straight and most of the interactions is through skinship which most idols do
 

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I already said that I don't ship celebrities. As a introverted person I spend most of my time observing people. Taekook is always subtle and get separated, this makes it suspicious in my eyes. Just look at Jikook. You can clearly see they are doing fanservice. Compare them to Taekook and you will see the difference.
We are all just analysing bts and don't have any facts. I don't even want taekook to be gay, I don't support the LGBT community. But I can see that something is going on between them. You don't see it? Fine. No problem.
I think is suspicious how the company don't promote them when they are the most popular ship in the group (and probably in kpop) bighit could make a lot of money putting them together but they decided to promote jikook instead
In the "euphoria" video they are promoting Jikook again I saw a scene of jimin riding a bike and jungkook running behind him, just the two of them alone and jungkook is the only one wearing yellow (fans believe this is a refference to Jimin's "serendipity" that had a lot of yellow elements)
Bighit could be doing this to hide another relationship in the group or because they have a special agenda for jungkook and jimin
 
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