When Religion And Conspiracy Theories Collide.

[Lisa]

The parables I have already mentioned, and the many times jesus answered condemnation for mixing with disreputable people like prostitutes

Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.

He did come to save the lost and only the sick need a dr..so He did hang out with the sick..that doesn’t mean that He accepted what they were doing. In fact, Jesus doesn’t accept what we do, but will accept us despite it...then He will begin a good work in us..he doesn’t let us stay the way He found us.

Also, Jesus told us to preach the Good News, which means we have to preach the bad news about sin.

 

[Cintra]

He did come to save the lost and only the sick need a dr..so He did hang out with the sick..that doesn’t mean that He accepted what they were doing. In fact, Jesus doesn’t accept what we do, but will accept us despite it...then He will begin a good work in us..he doesn’t let us stay the way He found us.

Also, Jesus told us to preach the Good News, which means we have to preach the bad news about sin.

That is your interpretation of the bible, and I respect your right to hold it.

 

[Lisa]

That is your interpretation of the bible, and I respect your right to hold it.

Um...thanks? What did I say that was incorrect?

 

[Awoken2]

That is your interpretation of the bible, and I respect your right to hold it.

I respectfully requested you do your bible talk elsewhere. Go do it in the religious section. This thread is on a separate topic. Thanks

 

[Cintra]

Sorry, I didn't realise you were the moderator.

 

[Lisa]

Sorry, I didn't realise you were the moderator.

It is his thread.

 

[Cintra]

I understand that they were the OP. I didn't realise that allowed them to police the thread and decide what could or could not be discussed.

All forums work differently. I am new on this one. I have yet to learn the unwritten rules.

 

[Helioform]

If I'm not wrong the OT "prophesises" the end of the world. Written by Israel to justify Israel's murderous satanic actions around the world. The very argument that Israeli's can legitimately murder the poor people of Palestine because that's what their Bible advocates insults my intelligence. It should insult the intelligence of more people but to be honest with you I think intelligence is a fast reducing attribute. That may be down to a number of different factors which have been discussed on threads here elsewhere.

I see it like this, this place is full of people who think the Bible or the Koran are the only books that are truthful, and also this place is full of people who don't believe in any of that but believe any kind of conspiracy theories such as those that involve Israel or Jews.

There is very little balanced research on here. VC would not agree with a lot of what is posted here I reckon. He talks about the real subjects most of the time but you guys keep on bringing up the same stuff over and over.

 

[Lisa]

I understand that they were the OP. I didn't realise that allowed them to police the thread and decide what could or could not be discussed.

All forums work differently. I am new on this one. I have yet to learn the unwritten rules.

Apparently it does here.

 

[DavidSon]

Okay, now we are getting somewhere...this makes more sense. I can't answer for the other Christians on this forum, only for myself. I do not personally engage deeply in the discussions on the topics you listed above because I don't feel I have much to add to the discussion. I read all the topics to stay informed and for the most part are open to the idea that there is varying degreees of truth behind most of these conspiracy theories.

My motive for posting in the religious topics is because I actually have a different prespective then what is usually being posted. It baffles me that Christian's can come to a conspiracy forum and buy into the idea that main-stream media, main-stream entertainment, main-stream government, main-stream education, and main-stream corporations are all influenced by or part of conspiracies to distort or withhold the truth and enlsave mankind, yet when it comes to main-stream religion, they can't even contemplate that institutional religion has distorted the truth about Jesus or that main-stream Christianity could possibly be part of the conspriacy against mankind.
The argument that God supernaturally protects "the Church" and his "truth" from being influenced by conspiracies is quite laughable, as the evidence of the countless denominations and sects of Christianity that can't agree on even basic theology and doctrines proves otherwise.

The biggest proof of institutional Christiantiy being part of the conspiracy is that Jesus spoke very specifically against a hierarchical form of leadership amongst believers, yet every single institutional denomination and sect of Christianity is built on the same top-down structure of authority that the rest of society is built on. Most Christian's would claim that Jesus is the head of their organized expression of the church, yet in America, 99% of those churches are 501c3 organizations that make them entities of the State and under the full authority and jurisdiction of the Federal Government. How can Jesus be the head of an entity created and owned by the State?

Once this fact is accepted and fully understood, it becomes clear to see that the organized, instituional church has been part of the grand conspiracy since the day the first "believer" claimed to have "spirtiual authority" over another believer. Jesus said to "call no man your father", yet during the first generation of the church men were already claiming to be "spiritual fathers" over other believers. It all went downhill pretty fast from there. Yet Christian's who believe in conspiracies in every other realm of society, continue to embrace and defend the doctrines and dogma's that they have been indoctrinated with by mainstream, top down authority, hierachical, institutionalized religion. Go figure...

I'm bumping this post and adding my highlights because you brought up several important ideas I hope won't be missed:

"My motive for posting in the religious topics is because I actually have a different prespective then what is usually being posted. It baffles me that Christian's can come to a conspiracy forum and buy into the idea that main-stream media, main-stream entertainment, main-stream government, main-stream education, and main-stream corporations are all influenced by or part of conspiracies to distort or withhold the truth and enlsave mankind, yet when it comes to main-stream religion, they can't even contemplate that institutional religion has distorted the truth about Jesus or that main-stream Christianity could possibly be part of the conspriacy against mankind.
The argument that God supernaturally protects "the Church" and his "truth" from being influenced by conspiracies is quite laughable, as the evidence of the countless denominations and sects of Christianity that can't agree on even basic theology and doctrines proves otherwise.

The biggest proof of institutional Christiantiy being part of the conspiracy is that Jesus spoke very specifically against a hierarchical form of leadership amongst believers, yet every single institutional denomination and sect of Christianity is built on the same top-down structure of authority that the rest of society is built on. Most Christian's would claim that Jesus is the head of their organized expression of the church, yet in America, 99% of those churches are 501c3 organizations that make them entities of the State and under the full authority and jurisdiction of the Federal Government. How can Jesus be the head of an entity created and owned by the State?

Once this fact is accepted and fully understood, it becomes clear to see that the organized, instituional church has been part of the grand conspiracy since the day the first "believer" claimed to have "spirtiual authority" over another believer. Jesus said to "call no man your father", yet during the first generation of the church men were already claiming to be "spiritual fathers" over other believers. It all went downhill pretty fast from there. Yet Christian's who believe in conspiracies in every other realm of society, continue to embrace and defend the doctrines and dogma's that they have been indoctrinated with by mainstream, top down authority, hierachical, institutionalized religion. Go figure... "

 

[Lisa]

I'm bumping this post and adding my highlights because you brought up several important ideas I hope won't be missed:

"My motive for posting in the religious topics is because I actually have a different prespective then what is usually being posted. It baffles me that Christian's can come to a conspiracy forum and buy into the idea that main-stream media, main-stream entertainment, main-stream government, main-stream education, and main-stream corporations are all influenced by or part of conspiracies to distort or withhold the truth and enlsave mankind, yet when it comes to main-stream religion, they can't even contemplate that institutional religion has distorted the truth about Jesus or that main-stream Christianity could possibly be part of the conspriacy against mankind.
The argument that God supernaturally protects "the Church" and his "truth" from being influenced by conspiracies is quite laughable, as the evidence of the countless denominations and sects of Christianity that can't agree on even basic theology and doctrines proves otherwise.

The biggest proof of institutional Christiantiy being part of the conspiracy is that Jesus spoke very specifically against a hierarchical form of leadership amongst believers, yet every single institutional denomination and sect of Christianity is built on the same top-down structure of authority that the rest of society is built on. Most Christian's would claim that Jesus is the head of their organized expression of the church, yet in America, 99% of those churches are 501c3 organizations that make them entities of the State and under the full authority and jurisdiction of the Federal Government. How can Jesus be the head of an entity created and owned by the State?

Once this fact is accepted and fully understood, it becomes clear to see that the organized, instituional church has been part of the grand conspiracy since the day the first "believer" claimed to have "spirtiual authority" over another believer. Jesus said to "call no man your father", yet during the first generation of the church men were already claiming to be "spiritual fathers" over other believers. It all went downhill pretty fast from there. Yet Christian's who believe in conspiracies in every other realm of society, continue to embrace and defend the doctrines and dogma's that they have been indoctrinated with by mainstream, top down authority, hierachical, institutionalized religion. Go figure... "

I think that Christians read the Bible and get their theology from it...not necessarily from a church, though they do join churches that preach what they believe. While some do distort the truth of the Bible for their own ends...there are still some that preach the truth..though those churches are probably small due to the fact that people don’t like to hear the truth but what they want to hear, which is why the fake churches are so popular.

How does the government get involved in the church?

I don’t think Christians looking for truth from God’s word stay in the same place as when they start...or they shouldn’t..we should all be coming off the milk and getting to the meat.

 

[Wigi]

I was watching this thread since the beginning and honestly, I don't know what relevant thing should be said about OP's video.

But what I think could be interesting it's to develop the thread title in this discussion and eventually talk about the problem between conspiracies and religious or non-religious worldviews.
I mean: is it even possible to accept informations about Conspiracies when you don't believe in the concept of absolute truth which is a deeply religious premise?

When I was non-religious I couldn't believe conspiracies could happen nor think about a new world order because my way of thinking implied that randomness and coincidences played a major role in the world and outside of scientific facts, everything was basically subjective and falsifiable.

When you're not a spiritual person, how could you believe in a occult deep state that practice rituals or even conceive the idea that some sort of supranational organisation exist and plan evil schemes against us during decades?

I think it's only when you have a spirituality that you're more inclined to seek a cause effect linkage in things that then leads you to connect dots between prophecies, signs and hidden agendas to reach a conclusion.

For example I'm pretty sure that muslims are against zionism because they believe a dajjal will appear because of Israel just like christians are against a nwo likely ruled by the Antichrist while some of them think that zionism is not only prophetic but a necessary step before Jesus second coming.

I think debates became heated and Bible verses are everywhere because we have many worldviews colliding each others that won't and just can't agree on the same things since we have different objectives.

Maybe the real conspiracy it's that we allowed ourselves to play a rigged game and maybe all we had to do it's to escape this prison, love God and just accept the idea that all this shouldn't matter because we are more than flesh and bones and the battle is already won.
At least as a christian, that's what I am willing to accept as the truth for the moment.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I wonder why you keep acting like you have some plan of action that you are doing but you can’t tell us what that is? I wonder why you won’t say? Perhaps because you aren’t doing anything after all your preaching about doing something?

He helps children whom have had their lives shattered through neglect and abuse. What are you doing to better the world lil LIsa? Other than not feeding hungry people........

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Actually, I’ve been thinking about your question, and I think the answer is fear. Fear that I may be right about what I say and that means they are wrong. Instead of having a reasonable conversation, they can only come up with hateful personal insults, which as we all know isn’t an argument. If they think the worst of me...surely I can’t really be right then, can I?

More like revulsion to your persona and lies.....

 

[The Zone]

Pet peeve. How can we own threads on a message board meant for discussion? I do not buy into this theory which only seems to go on here. I started a thread on Iran-Israel, but as far as I am concerned anything goes and it is the forums thread. If we seek to control the narrative by asking others to stay within made up boundaries, how authentic a discussion can be had?

Another thing is we never know who is telling the truth in a forum, so we take them at their word even when it belies logic. It is kind of hard to ask questions of religious people and not get religion-related answers for that is how they explain things.

Other than that I am having three brilliant days of warm weather in winter and I am back out to play in it. If people post here every day and in several threads during each day, while doing research along the way, how much time can be left for work itself? Some here have a whole lot of spare time on their hands.

 

[Lisa]

He helps children whom have had their lives shattered through neglect and abuse. What are you doing to better the world lil LIsa? Other than not feeding hungry people........

I wasn’t the one who talked about affecting the world or changing it.

 

[Lisa]

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Pet peeve. How can we own threads on a message board meant for discussion? I do not buy into this theory which only seems to go on here. I started a thread on Iran-Israel, but as far as I am concerned anything goes and it is the forums thread. If we seek to control the narrative by asking others to stay within made up boundaries, how authentic a discussion can be had?

Perhaps it has something to do with rule #6?
Do not purposely troll, derail or ridicule discussions and forum members.

I think the conversation should meander myself..it can always find its way back to the op.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I wasn’t the one who talked about affecting the world or changing it.

You asked what he was doing to change the world. So I reminded you of what he does as well as reminding you of your lack of effort in these regards.

 

[Lisa]

You asked what he was doing to change the world. So I reminded you of what he does as well as reminding you of your lack of effort in these regards.

He never answered my questions regarding his assertions.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

He never answered my questions regarding his assertions.

You asked a question Lisa, what is A2 doing to make the world a better place. I answered you.