Wearing a Mask

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Has no one here ever lived in Asia? Why do you guys make such a big deal out of a mask? A cage, lol.
Being caged in is having to remain closed in your home for who knows how many months or years from now on, because those who don't fear this virus don't care about reducing the spread of Covid as much as possible to a wide population by wearing a mask, so that those who are at risk could leave their homes every once in a while and not be forced to become imprisoned in their homes possibly for the rest of their days because of how widespread this would become in the population.

But you're right, staying home from hereafter makes life definitely worth living if I would just have groceries left at my door. No soul in sight for months or years, but groceries at my door for the rest of this virus' life = the stuff dreams are made of. Whereas wearing a mask is just too much for any person's well being and sanity.
If the majority of my country gets this virus how would I avoid getting it too though, even if I stay indoors ALL OF THE TIME, if my food is being made and handled by people who would most likely be carriers of it?

Just to make it clear for everyone, if I'll get Covid, I'll die BECAUSE of Covid, I won't die WITH Covid.
I don't have any life threatening pre-existing diseases. Being immune to anaesthesia, pain killers, fever medication, Valium, etc isn't making my life unbearable, nor shortening my life span, nor is it a disease, it's just a rare gene and I'm in my early 30s, so if I die, I die from Covid, not with Covid. Period
But I'm just a number. Lurking in these kinds of forums this year has really enlightened me about people.
The big deal with mask here in the US is because of the way the government is going about it. Laws vary by state but citizens feel it’s an infringement on rights.

Factor in the news. You always have reports coming from a left/liberal perspective or a right wing/republican perspective so we tend to get clashes of opinion, etc. So that’s why the mask thing is being bigger deal than needed.

So overall people are divided by what news they take in. They have to be right and cannot agree to disagree. So it all turns into a mess.
 

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That's what you said though right? Whatever gives you the fever kills you? Or are you picking and choosing?]
Lol. Sorry. Random. Saw picking and choosing. That little yellow rodent Pikachu came to mind.
 

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That's what you said though right? Whatever gives you the fever kills you? Or are you picking and choosing?]
I mean I think it would be pretty obvious in your example that strep throat killed poster since strep throat is what caused the fever.
 

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That's what you said though right? Whatever gives you the fever kills you? Or are you picking and choosing?]
Yes, I died from Strep throat sure, though I can't understand how things can get to where you actually develop a fever from Strep throat.
 

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The big deal with mask here in the US is because of the way the government is going about it. Laws vary by state but citizens feel it’s an infringement on rights.

Factor in the news. You always have reports coming from a left/liberal perspective or a right wing/republican perspective so we tend to get clashes of opinion, etc. So that’s why the mask thing is being bigger deal than needed.

So overall people are divided by what news they take in. They have to be right and cannot agree to disagree. So it all turns into a mess.
the US and europe has been bombarded with phony fake shows, hoaxes, false flags, etc. for a LONG time. those who are awake are very sensitive to it. i see this as a natural progression from invisible terrorist cells in the US to fake mass shootings to pandemics (to failed 'murder hornets'). i dont think this type of thing goes on in asia- maybe to a far less extent. had i been living there all my life, i would probably take this more seriously. i really cant imagine a government pouring out propaganda, fear mongering, lies, and disinfo on the immense scale that the US does. the US is, after all, the NWO headquarters.
further, smaller countries often imitate what the bigger ones do. if the US does it, other countries follow suit blindly, thinking that the US knows best without trying a novel approach. the US has the money to do the research and the "qualified" experts, they would reason. the timing of when the pandemic hit also plays a factor, since a country who had it later on would defer to the US` approach to lockdown since they have had a bit of experience in dealing with it.
 

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Streptococcal bacteria are highly contagious. They can spread through airborne droplets when someone with the infection coughs or sneezes, or through shared food or drinks. You can also pick up the bacteria from a doorknob or other surface and transfer them to your nose, mouth or eyes.

Sound familiar?
 

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It's a typical symptom of strep throat. Are you also resistant to antibiotics?
Oh, ok. My family doctor told us that almost every one carries it in their blood and that it's pretty harmless. I had it as a child and didn't get a fever from it, only a sore throat. I'm not sure if I'm resistant to antibiotics, I know they tried to treat my Strep throat with pills and it didn't work, I'm thinking they were probably antibiotics, I was too little to know for sure.
 

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I don't believe "this is a hoax", only that the social consequences, the changes in social structure, laws, the psychological effects, and the outcome are more important than the disease. To me the "this is a hoax" crowd serves a similar purpose as the "the planes were holograms on 9/11" crowd. It gives a useful strawman in the dialectic that makes the "official paradigm" seem unchallengeable. That's why the news media is happy to give airtime to people saying "this whole thing was invented by the democrats to stop trump!". They won't let anyone tell you about David Rockefellers memoir where he explains how he's going to/did set up a world government, and how the medical establishment will play a key role in that, or Brezinskys books where he says we are transferring into a technocracy. or Jacque Attali's book from 2006 which predicted where we are now. This whole thing meant more centralized power, people willing to sacrifice freedoms, people listening to the scienfic elite as neil degrasse mctyson said, and no that doesnt mean engineers or nurses are bad for utilizing science, it means that the vision that certain elites have for the incoming world will be dogmatically scientistic, darwinian, materialistic, anti-inherency and anti-metaphysical value

Edit: A good example of this is that hundreds (thousands?) of doctors medical opinions have been censored off youtube, facebook etc, because they clash with what the ruling elite call "the official science", the state sponsored, agenda approved, science
If it is not a hoax, then what kind of social changes would be considered normal? There are going to be social changes to any experience that has significance, and quite frankly, we need some social change.

I have entertained how this could reduce our healthcare system and possibly bring natural cures before. Even if that doesn’t happen, it will happen at some point down the line because we are still struggling because of technological poverty you could say, more than any real demonstration of an advancement of technology. Removing this poverty will at some point create positive change by increasing transparency.

maybe it’s not the best comparison, but it is the only one I can think of at the moment. The world as a whole is not much different than the world in 1920 when you could get away with murder by dumping a body in the harbor. People in the neighborhood would all get suspicious of everyone else and there was no such thing as forensic evidence to settle the debate.

that is kind of how we are living right now, but many people are linking technology to the problem and not the solution and maybe it is to a degree right now. But that would only be because the world has not found a way to deal with the monopolies that were created in this century and the last. There will probably have to be a reason to deal with these, and this might not be the straw that breaks the camels back, but their will be one that will help disseminate technology and the consequent information.

science may have a materialist side to it, but it also has a side that stomps out superstition, which is why it is useful in a situation like this from a social science perspective.

as for the doctors, they are largely being taken down from YouTube because their purpose is to promote the idea that the whole thing is a hoax for whatever reason. There are legitimate liability issues related to this issue and the internet is not censored as a whole. People like natural news and Alex Jones still exist and continue even though they were taken down from Facebook a long time ago.

So like in 9/11, ignorance is really being taken advantage of. people are as ignorant of the healthcare system as they were of Islam when 9/11 happened.

there are many things that are not new at all that people are suddenly shocked about, and this is only because it affects them now. Otherwise, they wouldn’t care about half of these inefficiencies that exist.

there were still paper charts in a lot of places as recently as like 10 years ago. There are hundreds of doctors still alive who grumbled a lot about going to an emr and in most cases, we are using an emr in hospitals on computers that are slower and older than most people have in their homes.

there are a ton of deficiencies that were caused by a lack of technology rather than an advancement that people don’t realize because this was never a subject of interest before now.

these deficiencies cause a sort of fumbling social response, but not all of that is due to any sort of social engineering.

and there are no shortage of blogs on herbs or ways people can try to take better care of their health. I was already interested in this before, but have definitely done a lot more hunting now. I would really love to see people gain more awareness of how to take care of themselves and their families independent of the hospital because this is possible too, but many people have taken this for granted before now.

I’m in a situation where there are confirmed positive patients clustered in one spot and I’m not worried about getting it just like I don’t worry about some throat swelling and other immune system responses I always get. I’ve had to look for remedies because I can’t just take antibiotics a couple of times a year.

I am a breadwinner for my house and I do 100% of the grocery shopping and 80% of all food preparation, so getting sick is something I already avoid at all costs because I don’t have time for it. The environment I work in creates an incentive that some people may not have had before. Hopefully, they will be inspired.

and even though I am relatively healthy and probably low risk, I try to empathize with people who aren’t. when symptoms come rapidly to the point where you lose the ability to respond to these symptoms yourself, this is when you need services a hospital provides. If you have never experienced a rapid onset of symptoms, it can be easy to assume that you would be different or that something like this happens to other people for whatever reason.

But most people if they were to experience something like this for themselves would be surprised at this experience of powerlessness. It would change the way most people considered the definition of vulnerable that they are using in these discussions across social media.

So even though I don’t see myself in a vulnerable group, I am aware that I am not automatically immune just because of an absence of this sort of experience and for many people, something like this could catch them off guard for whatever reason. It may suck for me because of how it affects my ability to move around since I am healthy, but it is not their fault whoever they may be. I blame outdated technology really.

Outdated technology contributes to the media’s ability to create illusions too. None of this is someone’s fault who may not presently even know if they are at risk. I also blame trump and most of the Republican Party for anything that might damaging to privacy right now. Mitch McConnell is the one that wanted to include fbi browser searches without a warrant. The Republican Party led by trump seem to be the only ones trying to prepare themselves for a modern cold war.

But overall, I don’t see myself as an automatic victim in a situation like this and I don’t see why other people should either. I don’t know why people are acting like the elite have already won and the only way to fight back is by shouting about how they want to control society at the top of their lungs metaphorically. That is not the only way to make a difference and help carve out a different path.
 

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If it's injected, it doesn't work, tried it. Or do you mean home remedies?
No, I meant other ways of cooling the body.
Obviously I wouldn’t recommend anything without checking with your doctor, but when medication wasn’t working for me, the ICU nurses literally squeezed tepid water all over me and placed cold packs all around me, changing them frequently. I literally lay on cool, wet sheets to keep my temperature low.
As long as what they did, didn’t cause me to shiver, it was somewhat effective in keeping my temp under better control.
Of course, as I said, you wouldn’t want to do anything you shouldn’t be doing. It can be dangerous to reduce a fever too quickly. However, controlling fevers usually involves more than just medication. You would need to make sure your doctor approved it though.
 

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Oh, ok. My family doctor told us that almost every one carries it in their blood and that it's pretty harmless. I had it as a child and didn't get a fever from it, only a sore throat. I'm not sure if I'm resistant to antibiotics, I know they tried to treat my Strep throat with pills and it didn't work, I'm thinking they were probably antibiotics, I was too little to know for sure.
Strep throat is probably one of the most common causes of fever, in children and adults. You generally don’t build up immunity to strep infections in the same way you do with viruses, which is why you are can be repeatedly infected.
Strep A bacteria, which most commonly cause strep throat, surround themselves with or bind themselves to red blood cells, meaning they can remain undetected by the immune system and cause repeated infections.
While you can gain immunity to bacteria, it is more difficult to acquire long/term immunity. Bacteria adapt and change much more readily and evade detection in the immune system. That’s why we get repeated bacterial infections.
 

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What the dirty liberal said :p


Matt TaibbiMay 18
If you assume that the need for lockdowns and other strict policing measures is real during the outbreak, it's still true that sweeping, life-changing measures are being implemented without much discussion or tolerance for dissent. Governors are acting without legislative input. Businesses are being shut down without long-term plans to help those affected. Censorship is being promoted all over (often with the enthusiastic cooperation of media editorials). YouTube is now removing anything that goes against WHO recommendations, including doctors and epidemiologists.
I grew up believing in groups like the ACLU and was always taught that the way to combat "bad" speech was through better speech. I was also taught to oppose speech controls because good thinkers realize there are no absolutes in most disciplines, that people are often wrong (especially when they're most sure) and we're only hurting ourselves when we don't allow ourselves to hear opposing points of view. I don't think liberal thought embraces these concepts anymore. Academics seem to embrace absolutes in everything from science to sociology, and argument by authority is more common than ever. My point is, this attitude is coming out a lot with the Covid-19 disaster. There are people who've lost businesses they've spent lifetimes building, and others who simply have different ideas (like the herd immunity defenders), but media caricatures anti-lockdown protesters as morons who miss going to the barber. I don't agree with re-opening society this early, but I don't feel it's a black-and-white issue either. Moreover it's very clear that a lot of this has to do with Trump: whatever he supports, liberal America denounces, which again is not a bright way to look at the world -- the better way is to ignore Trump and evaluate issues on their merits, I think.

Mic drop....
 

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No, I meant other ways of cooling the body.
Obviously I wouldn’t recommend anything without checking with your doctor, but when medication wasn’t working for me, the ICU nurses literally squeezed tepid water all over me and placed cold packs all around me, changing them frequently. I literally lay on cool, wet sheets to keep my temperature low.
As long as what they did, didn’t cause me to shiver, it was somewhat effective in keeping my temp under better control.
Of course, as I said, you wouldn’t want to do anything you shouldn’t be doing. It can be dangerous to reduce a fever too quickly. However, controlling fevers usually involves more than just medication. You would need to make sure your doctor approved it though.
Oh, that, yes I've tried that. That is considered a folk remedy. I've tried other old known remedies too, like getting wrapped up in in a sheet that's been soaked in medicinal alcohol or any strong alcohol really, or placing poultices with finely grated potatoes on the head and neck, The potato one kind of worked when I was a child while my throat was burning like mad.

When I had radio-wave surgery though, it didn't work. Although I was able to keep my fever from rising too high at that time through what I ingested, when I ingested, and how much, because you can actually control your body's temperature a little through what you put in your stomach, and through the perfect room temperature (you're not allowed to feel warm but you shouldn't shiver either but you constantly have to adjust the room temperature to match your ever changing body temperature).
This did keep me afloat, but it would still spike every so often no matter what I tried and after a few days of this you start to get hallucinations, you lose touch with reality.
That medication, which unfortunately for me can only be ingested, was the only drug that I felt a very slight effect from when I've had migraines and which was recommended for fevers too, so it remained my last hope and fortunately it managed to lower the fever a bit and then the body took the cue and did the rest.
The doctor would have let me die to be honest. He's the reason I had to go through all of that, because he knew radio-wave surgery usually is followed by a fever. Even though I listed to him all of the things that I'm immune to, I even listed caffeine and alcohol, not just medically related stuff, just to be extra safe and he goes and performs this fever inducing surgery on me when I specifically told him NSAIDs and antipyretics don't work for me. Lowest of the low just for a bit of cash

Strep throat is probably one of the most common causes of fever, in children and adults. You generally don’t build up immunity to strep infections in the same way you do with viruses, which is why you are can be repeatedly infected.
Strep A bacteria, which most commonly cause strep throat, surround themselves with or bind themselves to red blood cells, meaning they can remain undetected by the immune system and cause repeated infections.
While you can gain immunity to bacteria, it is more difficult to acquire long/term immunity. Bacteria adapt and change much more readily and evade detection in the immune system. That’s why we get repeated bacterial infections.
Wow, nasty. I feel sorry for those going through this if it's really how it is.
I've been assured by my doctor that it's something benign, so either it varies between communities or she was trying to keep us from worrying about it when she saw that she didn't have success in eradicating it from my body.
I was told Staphylococcus Aureus was the potentially dangerous one, not Strep A... Although a friend of mine got a nasty Staph Aureus infection a few months ago and was told by her doctor that most people have Staphylococcus Aureus too. Because of her doctor's words she was considering whether to bother treating it at all or not.
 

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the US and europe has been bombarded with phony fake shows, hoaxes, false flags, etc. for a LONG time. those who are awake are very sensitive to it. i see this as a natural progression from invisible terrorist cells in the US to fake mass shootings to pandemics (to failed 'murder hornets'). i dont think this type of thing goes on in asia- maybe to a far less extent. had i been living there all my life, i would probably take this more seriously. i really cant imagine a government pouring out propaganda, fear mongering, lies, and disinfo on the immense scale that the US does. the US is, after all, the NWO headquarters.
further, smaller countries often imitate what the bigger ones do. if the US does it, other countries follow suit blindly, thinking that the US knows best without trying a novel approach. the US has the money to do the research and the "qualified" experts, they would reason. the timing of when the pandemic hit also plays a factor, since a country who had it later on would defer to the US` approach to lockdown since they have had a bit of experience in dealing with it.
I don’t see too many countries following the US lead on the handling of Covid-19.
They are looking towards countries with low transmission and death rates - South Korea, Taiwan, Germany, South Africa, for example.
The US response to this has been disastrous. It will be used as an example of how not to deal with it. Trump doesn’t even understand the scientific evidence, let alone follow it.
 

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Oh, that, yes I've tried that. That is considered a folk remedy. I've tried other old known remedies too, like getting wrapped up in in a sheet that's been soaked in medicinal alcohol or any strong alcohol really, or placing poultices with finely grated potatoes on the head and neck, The potato one kind of worked when I was a child while my throat was burning like mad.

When I had radio-wave surgery though, it didn't work. Although I was able to keep my fever from rising too high at that time through what I ingested, when I ingested, and how much, because you can actually control your body's temperature a little through what you put in your stomach, and through the perfect room temperature (you're not allowed to feel warm but you shouldn't shiver either but you constantly have to adjust the room temperature to match your ever changing body temperature).
This did keep me afloat, but it would still spike every so often no matter what I tried and after a few days of this you start to get hallucinations, you lose touch with reality.
That medication, which unfortunately for me can only be ingested, was the only drug that I felt a very slight effect from when I've had migraines and which was recommended for fevers too, so it remained my last hope and fortunately it managed to lower the fever a bit and then the body took the cue and did the rest.
The doctor would have let me die to be honest. He's the reason I had to go through all of that, because he knew radio-wave surgery usually is followed by a fever. Even though I listed to him all of the things that I'm immune to, I even listed caffeine and alcohol, not just medically related stuff, just to be extra safe and he goes and performs this fever inducing surgery on me when I specifically told him NSAIDs and antipyretics don't work for me. Lowest of the low just for a bit of cash



Wow, nasty. I feel sorry for those going through this if it's really how it is.
I've been assured by my doctor that it's something benign, so either it varies between communities or she was trying to keep us from worrying about it when she saw that she didn't have success in eradicating it from my body.
I was told Staphylococcus Aureus was the potentially dangerous one, not Strep A... Although a friend of mine got a nasty Staph Aureus infection a few months ago and was told by her doctor that most people have Staphylococcus Aureus too. Because of her doctor's words she was considering whether to bother treating it at all or not.
What I’m talking about is not a folk remedy. I’m a nurse. In medicine we have tried and tested procedures for reducing temperatures. It usually involves a combination of medication and other cooling techniques which are most effective.
The things you talk about are folk remedies - potato poultice, sheets wrapped in alcohol.
I doubt that Strep A behaves differently in different communities. Strep A can cause minor infections or more serious infections - strep throat, scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, necrotising fasciitis, to name a few.
Any bacteria or virus which causes infection can cause an elevated temperature - even the common cold. It’s part of the body’s immune response to fighting infection.
As regards Staph Aureus. Many of us will carry staph aureus on our skin or in our upper respiratory tract, including the nose. It primarily causes skin and respiratory tract infections.
If it is localised to a skin infection, it generally won’t cause a huge problem. It can be treated by topical or systemic antibiotics. The problem occurs if it is somehow spread through an open wound to the bloodstream - septicaemia, or the bones - osteomyelitis.
Obviously, it is also more problematic if it causes a respiratory tract infection like for example, pneumonia.
Another problem of staph aureus is of course the development of methicillin resistant staph aureus (MRSA) which is more difficult to treat because it is resistant to a lot of antibiotics.
The whole area of microbiology fascinates me, even though I have a very basic understanding.
 

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What I’m talking about is not a folk remedy. I’m a nurse. In medicine we have tried and tested procedures for reducing temperatures. It usually involves a combination of medication and other cooling techniques which are most effective.
The things you talk about are folk remedies - potato poultice, sheets wrapped in alcohol.
I doubt that Strep A behaves differently in different communities. Strep A can cause minor infections or more serious infections - strep throat, scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, necrotising fasciitis, to name a few.
Any bacteria or virus which causes infection can cause an elevated temperature - even the common cold. It’s part of the body’s immune response to fighting infection.
As regards Staph Aureus. Many of us will carry staph aureus on our skin or in our upper respiratory tract, including the nose. It primarily causes skin and respiratory tract infections.
If it is localised to a skin infection, it generally won’t cause a huge problem. It can be treated by topical or systemic antibiotics. The problem occurs if it is somehow spread through an open wound to the bloodstream - septicaemia, or the bones - osteomyelitis.
Obviously, it is also more problematic if it causes a respiratory tract infection like for example, pneumonia.
Another problem of staph aureus is of course the development of methicillin resistant staph aureus (MRSA) which is more difficult to treat because it is resistant to a lot of antibiotics.
The whole area of microbiology fascinates me, even though I have a very basic understanding.
Those practices that you described your nurses doing to you to you during your fever, are known even by my great-grandmother.
That's why I said folk remedy.
 
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