Wearing a Mask

[DevaWolf]

“maskers” (these are literally the stupidest adjectives I’ve ever heard) are asking people to don a practically free piece of fabric so that we can reopen society and hopefully avoid as many unnecessary Illnesses and deaths as possible. It costs nothing and if it doesn’t work no harm, no foul. You aren’t losing anything of substance by doing so. If it does work then maybe, just maybe we can avoid a situation where civil war over forced vaccinations becomes a reality.

You said it all quite eloquently. I agree fully. I see no problem wearing a mask, it's a completely different thing than forced vaccinations. It even allows me to be anonymous for cameras again!
I will definitely comply with this rule.

 

[Aero]

I said “every” reason, because I was avoiding stating a fact that I don’t know is certain yet. The evidence is that in many viruses, there is shedding in the pre-symptomatic phase. As a medical professional, it would seem reasonable to me, to treat Covid-19 in the same way until they know definitively one way or the other. The evidence is highly suggestive that there is asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread. That’s good enough for me.
Do you or have you ever ridden a motorcycle? The evidence would suggest that if you do and don’t wear a helmet, you may die as a result of a head injury if you have an accident. The evidence only suggests that. Some people will definitely die and some people will not. So, what are you going to do? Are you going to say the evidence isn’t conclusive here, so I’ll just not bother wearing one until such times that I know that it’s a certainty that I will die. That would be foolish.
Its called prophylaxis? Prevention? Where we don’t know for certain, it is safer to make a series of assumptions that will offer maximum protection, until we know otherwise. I mean, really, this isn’t rocket science.
I spent 10 days last year on a ventilator, as a result of a subarachnoid haemorrhage. I developed aspirational pneumonia which was exacerbated by hospital acquired infection. On the two occasions they tried to extubate me, I suffered respiratory failure (arrest) - once after a few hours and once after 48 hours. I can tell you that it was not a pleasant experience. My lung has never reinflated properly and my vocal cords, are permanently damaged. I’m sure others here have had similar experiences. I don’t consider myself to be at greater risk of Covid-19. Everyone as far as I can see it as at equal risk. I don’t want anyone - or their families - to have to go through an experience like that.
Our lives our never entirely in our own hands. If you were to develop Covid-19, would you refuse treatment? Would you turn down medical intervention if you needed it? Refuse to be ventilated?

I need more than suggestive evidence.

In a way, you answered for me here. Take your motorcycle helmet example. Helmets go through something the scientific community calls "testing". There is no assumption of the fact that the helmet does what it is advertised to do.

I've seen no such testing done with regard to cloth masks and Covid-19. So a better example would be calling the cloth masks an "experimental" treatment. If we go back to your motorcycle helmet comparison, the question now becomes, would you wear an experimental motorcycle helmet that was never tested? Would that be "smart"?

I'm sorry you have gotten sick, but it's really irrelevant to this discussion. Obviously, if I was really sick I would accept the standard treatments that we know work. I would not be down with being a human guinea pig though.

 

[justjess]

I need more than suggestive evidence.

In a way, you answered for me here. Take your motorcycle helmet example. Helmets go through something the scientific community calls "testing". There is no assumption of the fact that the helmet does what it is advertised to do.

I've seen no such testing done with regard to cloth masks and Covid-19. So a better example would be calling the cloth masks an "experimental" treatment. If we go back to your motorcycle helmet comparison, the question now becomes, would you wear an experimental motorcycle helmet that was never tested? Would that be "smart"?

I'm sorry you have gotten sick, but it's really irrelevant to this discussion. Obviously, if I was really sick I would accept the standard treatments that we know work. I would not be down with being a human guinea pig though.

Masks have been shown to stop or slow the spread of contagions throughout history. There is preliminary evidence that they are slowing or stopping the spread with this contagion - Austria, Asian countries, infection rate of essential workers vs general population. You can’t expect more then that with a brand new virus that’s only been in existence a couple months.

 

[Aero]

Masks have been shown to stop or slow the spread of contagions throughout history. There is preliminary evidence that they are slowing or stopping the spread with this contagion - Austria, Asian countries, infection rate of essential workers vs general population. You can’t expect more then that with a brand new virus that’s only been in existence a couple months.

All the preliminary evidence I've found only shows masks to reduce transmission by 10-25%.

Conversely removing people 60 years or older from exposure, reduces transmission by like 90%. You can do the math and figure out what would actually work. The data I'm referring to comes from John Hopkins University BTW.

I'm not expecting magic bullets here. But cloth masks shouldn't be compared to motorcycle helmets. Like I'm sorry but nobody should logically go to bat for something that maybe works 10% of the time.

 

[Hon33]

I need more than suggestive evidence.

In a way, you answered for me here. Take your motorcycle helmet example. Helmets go through something the scientific community calls "testing". There is no assumption of the fact that the helmet does what it is advertised to do.

I've seen no such testing done with regard to cloth masks and Covid-19. So a better example would be calling the cloth masks an "experimental" treatment. If we go back to your motorcycle helmet comparison, the question now becomes, would you wear an experimental motorcycle helmet that was never tested? Would that be "smart"?

I'm sorry you have gotten sick, but it's really irrelevant to this discussion. Obviously, if I was really sick I would accept the standard treatments that we know work. I would not be down with being a human guinea pig though.

Helmets may go through scientific testing but some people will still die from a head injury, even when they do wear one.
You’ll see I’ve already acknowledged that the scientific evidence around masks is not conclusive. You seem to miss the point however, that for many people, it doesn’t matter whether or not the scientific evidence is conclusive or not. They understand that at this point, until more evidence becomes available, it may be safer to err on the side of caution.
You talk about having your civil liberties or rights removed. However, by refusing to comply with whatever policy your country asks you to follow, you risk robbing someone else of theirs. Frankly, it’s nothing more than selfishness.
Having your appendix removed when your suffering acute appendicitis, it a treatment known to work. However in a small percentage of cases every year, people will die from that very condition. There are no absolutes in medicine. Everything carries a risk.
This situation with Covid-19 continues to evolve, day by day. We have only scratched the surface with what is known about it. We do know however that it has the ability to kill an inproportionate amount of people, compared to other viruses.
I bring up my illness, because I know what it is like to suffer from respiratory distress to the point where you are literally gasping for breath. Where you are terrified that your next breath will be your last. I’ve have prayed to God to bring me through it, because I’ve known something dreadful was about to happen that no one around me had any control over. I’ve put my life completely in the hands of others, praying that they had the skills to save my life. My sister and husband stood there helpless, as they worked on my lifeless body.
I’m not being dramatic; I’m being truthful. It was a horrible experience and if my compliance prevents just one person from going through a similar position, then so be it.

Perhaps you’ve had a similar experience. Perhaps if you had, it focused your mind more keenly on your rights and liberties.
In my case, it didn’t. In my case, it focused my mind on how fragile and vulnerable we are as individuals. It focused my mind on how quickly everything we hold dear, can be ripped away.
mom just an ordinary person. I don’t presume to have all the answers. I know that life isn’t always what it appears. I know their are lies and deceit in governments and institutions. However, if being enlightened results in the total disregard I see here for our neighbours, then frankly, I’d rather be in the dark. If people lose the ability to care for other people rather than themselves only, then this life means nothing.
Maybe I’m just a weak, brainwashed individual but from what I’ve seen here, I’ll take my chances with that.

 

[Aero]

Helmets may go through scientific testing but some people will still die from a head injury, even when they do wear one.
You’ll see I’ve already acknowledged that the scientific evidence around masks is not conclusive. You seem to miss the point however, that for many people, it doesn’t matter whether or not the scientific evidence is conclusive or not. They understand that at this point, until more evidence becomes available, it may be safer to err on the side of caution.
You talk about having your civil liberties or rights removed. However, by refusing to comply with whatever policy your country asks you to follow, you risk robbing someone else of theirs. Frankly, it’s nothing more than selfishness.
Having your appendix removed when your suffering acute appendicitis, it a treatment known to work. However in a small percentage of cases every year, people will die from that very condition. There are no absolutes in medicine. Everything carries a risk.
This situation with Covid-19 continues to evolve, day by day. We have only scratched the surface with what is known about it. We do know however that it has the ability to kill an inproportionate amount of people, compared to other viruses.
I bring up my illness, because I know what it is like to suffer from respiratory distress to the point where you are literally gasping for breath. Where you are terrified that your next breath will be your last. I’ve have prayed to God to bring me through it, because I’ve known something dreadful was about to happen that no one around me had any control over. I’ve put my life completely in the hands of others, praying that they had the skills to save my life. My sister and husband stood there helpless, as they worked on my lifeless body.
I’m not being dramatic; I’m being truthful. It was a horrible experience and if my compliance prevents just one person from going through a similar position, then so be it.

Perhaps you’ve had a similar experience. Perhaps if you had, it focused your mind more keenly on your rights and liberties.
In my case, it didn’t. In my case, it focused my mind on how fragile and vulnerable we are as individuals. It focused my mind on how quickly everything we hold dear, can be ripped away.
mom just an ordinary person. I don’t presume to have all the answers. I know that life isn’t always what it appears. I know their are lies and deceit in governments and institutions. However, if being enlightened results in the total disregard I see here for our neighbours, then frankly, I’d rather be in the dark. If people lose the ability to care for other people rather than themselves only, then this life means nothing.
Maybe I’m just a weak, brainwashed individual but from what I’ve seen here, I’ll take my chances with that.

I don't have time to go through your whole post atm.

I didn't call anyone weak. And I'm fine with your cautious approach. But in the same breath you talk about caution while preaching a sort of absolute.

All in saying is pick one or the other because those ideas don't work well together. Like if people are just doing it to be cautious, don't try to force others to do it.

 

[justjess]

All the preliminary evidence I've found only shows masks to reduce transmission by 10-25%.

Conversely removing people 60 years or older from exposure, reduces transmission by like 90%. You can do the math and figure out what would actually work. The data I'm referring to comes from John Hopkins University BTW.

I'm not expecting magic bullets here. But cloth masks shouldn't be compared to motorcycle helmets. Like I'm sorry but nobody should logically go to bat for something that maybe works 10% of the time.

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine

A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.

www.nature.com

HKU hamster research shows masks effective in preventing Covid-19 transmission - Fight Covid-19

Tests on hamsters showed wearing surgical masks can significantly reduce the non-contact transmission of the deadly Covid-19 virus, especially when masks were worn by infected individuals, according to a study led by HKU infectious disease expert Prof Yuen Kwok-yung. The study, released on...

fightcovid19.hku.hk

 

[Hon33]

I’m no preaching caution and absolute.
In fact, in my post, I’ve categorically stated that there are no absolutes in medicine, or in fact science.
Even the most accurately controlled and conducted scientific experiment can still throw off an anomalous result.
If there were absolutes in science, then there would be no need for this debate.
It is precisely because there are no absolutes that such a cautious approach needs to be taken.
We vaccinate and re-vaccinate because there can be no absolute guarantee that people will convert to immune. There will always be a percentage of the population who won’t convert, despite following the vaccination schedule, precisely.
I can have screening for cervical cancer as per the schedule but there is no absolute guarantee that it will be detected early and easily treated.
I can have coils inserted into my cerebral aneurysm, but there is no absolute guarantee that it won’t develop again and I won’t find myself in the same or worse position again.
Virologists can do everything they can to learn about coronaviruses, but there is no guarantee that a mutation will not occur and throw the world into absolute chaos.
Medical evidence can suggest a variety of approaches that minimise the risk of transmission, within the limits of a constantly evolving and fluid situation. There is no guarantee that certain people will think they know better and ignore the advice, in favour of protecting their civil liberties.
In the absence of absolutes, all we can do is act with caution.
The only absolute I see in this situation is, that we should each act with respect towards each other. No, we should act with more than respect. Wearing a mask may not be an absolute solution, but if it’s not going to result in absolute harm - physical harm - it might just be worth it.
This isn’t really about masks though, is it? Risking your own health to protect your civil liberty is one thing, but risking someone else’s?

 

[Aero]

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine

A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.

www.nature.com

HKU hamster research shows masks effective in preventing Covid-19 transmission - Fight Covid-19

Tests on hamsters showed wearing surgical masks can significantly reduce the non-contact transmission of the deadly Covid-19 virus, especially when masks were worn by infected individuals, according to a study led by HKU infectious disease expert Prof Yuen Kwok-yung. The study, released on...

fightcovid19.hku.hk

I don't think that study is saying what you think it is saying.

 

[Aero]

I’m no preaching caution and absolute.
In fact, in my post, I’ve categorically stated that there are no absolutes in medicine, or in fact science.
Even the most accurately controlled and conducted scientific experiment can still throw off an anomalous result.
If there were absolutes in science, then there would be no need for this debate.
It is precisely because there are no absolutes that such a cautious approach needs to be taken.
We vaccinate and re-vaccinate because there can be no absolute guarantee that people will convert to immune. There will always be a percentage of the population who won’t convert, despite following the vaccination schedule, precisely.
I can have screening for cervical cancer as per the schedule but there is no absolute guarantee that it will be detected early and easily treated.
I can have coils inserted into my cerebral aneurysm, but there is no absolute guarantee that it won’t develop again and I won’t find myself in the same or worse position again.
Virologists can do everything they can to learn about coronaviruses, but there is no guarantee that a mutation will not occur and throw the world into absolute chaos.
Medical evidence can suggest a variety of approaches that minimise the risk of transmission, within the limits of a constantly evolving and fluid situation. There is no guarantee that certain people will think they know better and ignore the advice, in favour of protecting their civil liberties.
In the absence of absolutes, all we can do is act with caution.
The only absolute I see in this situation is, that we should each act with respect towards each other. No, we should act with more than respect. Wearing a mask may not be an absolute solution, but if it’s not going to result in absolute harm - physical harm - it might just be worth it.
This isn’t really about masks though, is it? Risking your own health to protect your civil liberty is one thing, but risking someone else’s?

There are absolutes in science though.

Remember the motorcycle helmet? If a helmet is designed to withstand an 80mph collision. Its not going to fail during a collision at 30mph.

Need another example? How about bulletproof glass. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be called bulletproof if bullets randomly got through.

Obviously nothing is perfect. That's not the issue here. The issue is still you wanting to force everyone to wear a mask when all you have is an argument that's basically a guilt trip. That's like trying to force everyone to wear a condom to prevent aids. Its a great theory, but will never work in practice. Like no amount of guilt trips will make everyone do it.

 

[justjess]

I don't think that study is saying what you think it is saying.

Both studies showed reduced transmission with mask usage. So I’m not sure what you think it’s saying tbh. As I said previously, the initial cdc Message read as bullshit from day one, other countries have seen reduced infection rates with mask usage, we have preliminary results supporting that mask usage reduced transmission. Worth a shot imo.

my fear is that reopening with mask refusal is going to lead to manufactured consent for second wages of closings and vaccination. It can go that way regardless but id rather try to chop it off at the knees if possible instead. Atleast then when they come with their syringes we have some ground to stand on. Idk, I’m concerned about the same things and same outcomes as the rest of you, my opinion on what to do about it is different but the intent is the same. I’m on antecedent manipulation where most of you have shot all the way to consequence delivery.

 

[Hon33]

There are absolutes in science though.

Remember the motorcycle helmet? If a helmet is designed to withstand an 80mph collision. Its not going to fail during a collision at 30mph.

Need another example? How about bulletproof glass. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be called bulletproof if bullets randomly got through.

Obviously nothing is perfect. That's not the issue here. The issue is still you wanting to force everyone to wear a mask when all you have is an argument that's basically a guilt trip. That's like trying to force everyone to wear a condom to prevent aids. Its a great theory, but will never work in practice. Like no amount of guilt trips will make everyone do it.

Oh, I’m not trying to force you to do anything, nor am I trying to guilt trip you. As you say, nothing or no one is perfect - except maybe me? (that’s a joke, by the way).
Oh and in terms of perfection, I’m sure statistically, there will even be a chance that bullet proof glass isn’t perfect.

 

[Aero]

Oh, I’m not trying to force you to do anything, nor am I trying to guilt trip you. As you say, nothing or no one is perfect - except maybe me? (that’s a joke, by the way).
Oh and in terms of perfection, I’m sure statistically, there will even be a chance that bullet proof glass isn’t perfect.

Glad to hear that you aren't guilt tripping or trying to force people to wear masks. Your wording kind of seemed like you were though.

Statistically speaking glass designed to stop a 50 caliber bullet will stop a 50 caliber bullet 100% of the time. Bulletproof glass is imperfect in a sense that every bullet wears down the structural integrity. So with continued damage the glass does eventually fail. There's nothing random about it though.

 

[MrsInfoMachina]

So even if it's saying it won’t protect you, you still wear it? Or is everyone supposed to get the N95s?

 

[Lisa]

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So even if it's saying it won’t protect you, you still wear it? Or is everyone supposed to get the N95s?

It’s zombieland out there...people are too afraid of dying to see reason.

 

[Hon33]

Glad to hear that you aren't guilt tripping or trying to force people to wear masks. Your wording kind of seemed like you were though.

Statistically speaking glass designed to stop a 50 caliber bullet will stop a 50 caliber bullet 100% of the time. Bulletproof glass is imperfect in a sense that every bullet wears down the structural integrity. So with continued damage the glass does eventually fail. There's nothing random about it though.

So there is a possibility that it will not be 100% foolproof, 100% of the time?
In any case - even though there may be some argument about whether viruses are living and dead - they are capable of mutating and evolving all of the time. They don’t act predictably all of the time.
What might be true for one strain of virus is not going to be true for another. This particular virus is a novel virus. It has been only been around for what, 7 or 8 months?
Delaying and managing the spread of the virus, affords scientists and medics the time to learn more about it. The more time you have to develop treatments and vaccines, the more efficacy they are going to have.
People are concerned about rushing through a vaccine. Well, if they want more time to develop a vaccine which is as safe as possible, do your bit and do what your government is doing to control the spread.
I am sure you are aware of the maxim that nobody can make you feel a certain way. People choose to feel the way they do and have the power to control how they feel. If anyone feels like I am trying to guilt trip them, perhaps they need to examine the source of that feeling. After all, I don’t have the power to make anyone feel anything. I’m just writing words on a page.

 

[Maes17]

Dehumanizing masks

have sadly become a part of the new normal in many states and nations around the world. Many local and state governments are forcing people to wear them, and many businesses are dutifully toeing the official line and refusing entry to customers who don't wear them. Apart from the obvious truth that widespread mask usage has a deliberately dehumanizing effect (in line with the transhumanist synthetic agenda), many scientific studies show that masks serve no useful medical purpose for healthy people. Masks weaken you by causing hypercapnia (increased carbon dioxide) and hypoxia (decreased oxygen). They are designed for surgeons (so they don't accidentally transmit bodily fluids like saliva into a patient they are operating upon) or for sick people (so they don't infect others via large respiratory droplets). Scientifically speaking, they don't stop healthy people from getting infected! Below is the evidence showing this. This will leave you with the inescapable conclusion that these masks are not about protecting health – but rather about control, dehumanization and the destruction of health.
Masks Lead to Under-Oxygenation, a Forerunner to Fatigue, Weakness and Serious Diseases Like Cancer

It is a commonsense scientific fact that wearing a mask blocks your airways and therefore leads to both hypercapnia (an increase in and accumulation of carbon dioxide in the body from breathing in exhaled air) and hypoxia (a lack of oxygen in the tissues). Symptoms of hypercapnia include dizziness, drowsiness, excessive fatigue, headaches, feeling disoriented, flushing of the skin and shortness of breath. Symptoms of hypoxia include anxiety, restlessness, confusion, changes in the color of skin, cough, rapid breathing, shortness of breath and sweating. Not surprisingly, both conditions are similar, since they are both characterized by a lack of oxygen. In addition, hypoxia has been shown to lead to impaired immunity in general, and to be a forerunner to serious diseases such as atherosclerosis, stroke and heart attack. It is also the necessary precondition for the development of cancer (as I covered in my series on natural cancer cures). Dr. Russell Blaylock highlights how wearing a mask is actually putting you at more risk of infection, because you are lowering your overall health, strength and immunity by under-oxygenation:

Blaylock also emphasizes how wearing masks is dangerous from a health perspective – it encourages the recycling (rather than the expulsion) of viruses and bacteria, some of which can enter the brain with potentially lethal consequences:

Public Health Agency of Canada Admits "Little Evidence" Masks Protect Healthy People

This document from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) openly admits there is little evidence that, if you are well or healthy, wearing a mask will somehow protect you. This flies in the face of the propaganda going around that "my mask protects you, your mask protects me" since the only point (if you are not someone like a surgeon) is for already sick people to wear them to block the escape of large respiratory droplets. It is standard medical practice that masks are worn by the infected not the uninfected (as in the case when someone has TB), just as it is standard medical practice that quarantine is for the sick or immuno-compromised not the whole infected community. The definition of quarantine is "a state, period, or place of isolation in which people or animals that have arrived from elsewhere or been exposed to infectious or contagious disease are placed" so, ipso facto, the lockdown of an entire society is not quarantine but outright tyranny. Remember, Operation Coronavirus is not about medical common sense or logic; it's about control. The PHAC document states:

Harboring Bacteria and Viruses

The masks many people are wearing – homemade from cloth, bandannas, etc. – are a joke if you think they will stop a virus which is measured in nanometers (nanometer = 10-9 meters, or 0.000000001 meters). They won't stop a virus but they will assuredly become a hotbed for microbes to develop due to the warm and humid conditions. This article quotes some Indian doctors:

Only psychological indeed. That's what Operation Coronavirus is: a psychological game of perception management.
Masks Make People "Feel" Safer

We are in the middle of a perception war. In perception, often it is emotion not reason which plays a driving role. At the level of the psychopath setting the agenda, the NWO (New World Order) manipulators cleverly exploit this by demanding governments enforce stupid and ineffectual rules like mandatory mask-wearing. At the level of the idiot carrying out the agenda, local and state governmental officials proclaim everyone must wear a mask, so these low-level officials CYA (cover their asses), pacify the population and make it look they are being decisive by taking action. But it's all a sham, because the masks offer nonprotection as this study The surgical mask is a bad fit for risk reduction states:

Final Thoughts

Mandatory mask-wearing orders are just another way in which NWO conspirators are testing how far they can push people and seeing how much they can get away with. Just like the unscientific social distancing rules (1 meter, 1.5 meters, 2 meters, 6 feet or something else depending upon where you live), masks are symbolic of this entire fake pandemic operation. It's not about reason or logic; it's about fear and conditioning. They are training you to obey, training you to question whether you are following all the rules for every minute of your existence, training people to snitch on each other, training people to accept isolation and training people to fear each other (just as with the manmade climate change hoax).

Now we can't even see people's face when we interact with them! People of the Earth – WAKE UP!

This is mass conditioning. The degree to which healthy people willingly endorse and obey mask-wearing orders is directly proportional to their level of ignorance and fear. No interventions such as masks or vaccines can come close to the importance of living healthfully and developing your inner terrain (and hence your immune system) so that you are less susceptible to disease. It's time to 'unmask' the truth and use this crisis to educate ourselves and others about the true nature of viruses, the immune system, health and disease.
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Makia Freeman is the editor of alternative media / independent news site The Freedom Articles and senior researcher at ToolsForFreedom.com. Makia is on Steemit and FB.

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*https://thefreedomarticles.com/synthetic-agenda-heart-new-world-order/

*https://thefreedomarticles.com/cancer-busting-myths-cancer-microbe-p1/

*https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

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It’s just a big stink over a simple mask.
If people want to wear one then wear one.
If people don’t want to wear one. Then let it be.

Frustrates the hell out of me when simple stuff gets turned into a complicated ordeal.

 

[polymoog]

It’s just a big stink over a simple mask.
If people want to wear one then wear one.
If people don’t want to wear one. Then let it be.

Frustrates the hell out of me when simple stuff gets turned into a complicated ordeal.

the argument is there are people (pro-maskers) saying that those who do not wear a mask are putting others at risk and/or helping to spread it. so opting in or out of masks, like you said, is not a valid answer.

 

[Aero]

So there is a possibility that it will not be 100% foolproof, 100% of the time?
In any case - even though there may be some argument about whether viruses are living and dead - they are capable of mutating and evolving all of the time. They don’t act predictably all of the time.
What might be true for one strain of virus is not going to be true for another. This particular virus is a novel virus. It has been only been around for what, 7 or 8 months?
Delaying and managing the spread of the virus, affords scientists and medics the time to learn more about it. The more time you have to develop treatments and vaccines, the more efficacy they are going to have.
People are concerned about rushing through a vaccine. Well, if they want more time to develop a vaccine which is as safe as possible, do your bit and do what your government is doing to control the spread.
I am sure you are aware of the maxim that nobody can make you feel a certain way. People choose to feel the way they do and have the power to control how they feel. If anyone feels like I am trying to guilt trip them, perhaps they need to examine the source of that feeling. After all, I don’t have the power to make anyone feel anything. I’m just writing words on a page.

If you buy some bulletproof glass that's rated for 9mm or whatever, the glass will 100% stop that bullet. Now sure, there are manufacturing defects, but we are talking about equipment built to specification. Now how many 9mm bullets can the glass stop, is another question.

Maybe I need a better example. Since apparently you are just going to grab whatever low hanging fruit you can. A tank is 100% bulletproof from small arms fire. It is simple physics here. The energy of the bullet cannot breakthrough steel or glass at a specific density. Just like the energy of a feather falling from the sky isn't going to land on a rock and break said rock. Now sure, by some random occurrence maybe the feather does break the rock, but in any case, it will be because the rock is already broken.

Absolutes in science and medicine definitely exist. And while I appreciate your anecdotal evidence to back up your position, your arguments are poorly written at best. I said your life is in your own hands, and you tried to refute that by admitting YOU choose treatment options. So I'm just wondering where your head is really at atm.

When you said "This isn’t really about masks though, is it? Risking your own health to protect your civil liberty is one thing, but risking someone else’s? " That is 100% you deploying a guilt trip, and you can try to walk it back, but it's too late.

 

[Maes17]

the argument is there are people (pro-maskers) saying that those who do not wear a mask are putting others at risk and/or helping to spread it. so opting in or out of masks, like you said, is not a valid answer.

Having that stance as a mask being an option seems to be the reasonable approach. From my opinion anyways. I’m not going to shame someone if they wear one or not.

It’s just the fact there are pro maskers and anti maskers waging war on each other.
Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.