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You either believe in contradictions and throw a part of the book behind your backs, or you believe in All of it with understanding.
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Here are verses confirming the validity/truth of the Torah and/or the Gospel
How come they unto thee for judgment when they have the torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #43)
Lo! We did reveal the torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #44)
^^ IS ie present tense
this verse alone, should murder every single anti-bible argument muslims have, For example with the torah, muslims say it was corrupted when it was rewritten by Ezra the scribe. Alternatively when they challenge the 'versions' but the latin vulgate and greek septuaguint are before the Quran.
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How come they unto thee for judgment when they have the torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #43)
Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #68)
in the hadith,
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school. They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee. He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431). (Book #38, Hadith #4434)
so where does the attack against the Torah really come from?
Quran 2:79: This verse condemns those who write religious texts falsely claiming them to be from God for personal gain. It does not specifically mention the Bible but is often interpreted as referring to the alteration of scriptures.
Quran 5:13-15: These verses criticize certain groups who claim to follow the scriptures but do not abide by them.
It suggests that some people have distorted the message of the scriptures.
there is a hadith where the prophet was angry with his companions for reading the torah, right?
except we can see in the context it was a torah translated into arabic by a local rabbi and that too in a time of conflict between muslims and jews Even then the prophet SAW made sure to warn them 'do not confirm or reject any part of it incase it is or isn't the Word of Allah' ie that things vould be written within that are made up, false etc.
These muslims will use that hadith where the prophet was angry about the translation...and use it as their proof the bible is corrupt. Yet when i hit them with the above Quranic verses, they cling to 'king jamezez doe' and say 'maybe the torah was corrupt THEN BUT NOT NOW'...
there is no consistency or honesty with these people.
My points do not contradict any part of the Quran or hadith and just makes all round sense. They are not pro christian or jewish. my arguments with christians do not come from me attacking their book.
The fact that muslims can openly attack the bible for decades on end like this, an entire movement of wahabi-saudi backed dawah spreading far and wide, mass printing and distrubuting material.....having had so much time to learn their error and amend their position, only to double down, is clear cut evidence that this entire position is coming from shaitan. in essence it is an attack against the Quran also.
Ive also highlighted the manner in which certain translators eg Mohsin Khan..have literally changed the Quran via false translations.
in a time where we have websites like searchtruth.com and can read direct arabic along with various other translations next to each other, or even read the transiliteration and look up the meanings of terms or how they've been used in other parts of the Quran (if they have), there is no more excuse.
the fact i could share all of this when no one else does...in text form so they arent blindsided by hate and can actually sit down and read the Quran directly....yet they will still cope hard and say things like 'oh if yeww so speshul challenge mohammed hijab to a debate'
wtf?
those guys are very strategic in how they frustrate and attack their opponents. i doubt a single one of them cares about the above. their allegiance is to their own ego and self identity. it isn't to the truth.
this is not being pro-islam at all, it is no different to a jew who ignores the bible concerning Jesus and sides with his fellow jews.
As an example i watched a video recently where a christian speaks to jews in israel about Jesus in the bible. The first jew said 'we side with people like maimonaides'.
the christian was stroking jewish fanny for this judeo-christian alliance....but all i could think is 'these clowns dont even know who maimonaides was or what we wrote'
of course i do....
maimonaides served Salahuddin....he was a jewish philosopher, rabbi and a doctor.
He claimed that the verse in Daniel 'the wise shall stumble' referred to 'people like Jesus'.
yet the context of that verse pertained to the period of antiochus epiphanes and the maccabean revolt, 170 yrs before Jesus. Given how fresh the maccabean story is to jews ie Hannukah, given that they have 2 books of the Maccabees aswell which they ALL read...they fully know they are lying, yet they cling to it knowing they are bullshitting to morons.
it's like lying to a child...knowing the child is too naive to know any better and it saves you the aggro.
all of these muslims attacking the bible are the same..
one final point...
And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the torah and the Gospel,
(سورة آل عمران, Aal-i-Imraan, Chapter #3, Verse #48)
this is about Jesus AS.
So Jesus was taught 'the scripture' (meaning all of the old testament), the torah and the gospel....with WISDOM.
so let's assume the torah of the jews was corrupt...Jesus was taught the torah, so why didnt he right that wrong? had he done, christianity would have it's own Torah differing from the one jews have.
if they think 'nah Jesus wouldnt care, not that important' why do they cling to the argument that HE WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL
wouldnt he start with the torah if he was there for jews/israelites?
of course the same argument then applies to the Gospel. ie if Jesus did correct the torah and come out with his own version, then it means the existing gospel is all fake or corrupt. yet the Quran says otherwise.
in the hadith it says the uncle in law of prophet Mohammad, would 'write THE GOSPEL in arabic' ie he would translate it.
'the gospel' implies the gospel was correct and true, otherwise it would not be called Injeel at all but 'he used to write his own version of an injeel with his own hands'
how is it muslims cant even understand these basic points?
so
Here are verses confirming the validity/truth of the Torah and/or the Gospel
How come they unto thee for judgment when they have the torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #43)
Lo! We did reveal the torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #44)
^^ IS ie present tense
this verse alone, should murder every single anti-bible argument muslims have, For example with the torah, muslims say it was corrupted when it was rewritten by Ezra the scribe. Alternatively when they challenge the 'versions' but the latin vulgate and greek septuaguint are before the Quran.
more
How come they unto thee for judgment when they have the torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #43)
Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #68)
in the hadith,
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school. They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee. He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431). (Book #38, Hadith #4434)
so where does the attack against the Torah really come from?
Quran 2:79: This verse condemns those who write religious texts falsely claiming them to be from God for personal gain. It does not specifically mention the Bible but is often interpreted as referring to the alteration of scriptures.
Quran 5:13-15: These verses criticize certain groups who claim to follow the scriptures but do not abide by them.
It suggests that some people have distorted the message of the scriptures.
there is a hadith where the prophet was angry with his companions for reading the torah, right?
except we can see in the context it was a torah translated into arabic by a local rabbi and that too in a time of conflict between muslims and jews Even then the prophet SAW made sure to warn them 'do not confirm or reject any part of it incase it is or isn't the Word of Allah' ie that things vould be written within that are made up, false etc.
These muslims will use that hadith where the prophet was angry about the translation...and use it as their proof the bible is corrupt. Yet when i hit them with the above Quranic verses, they cling to 'king jamezez doe' and say 'maybe the torah was corrupt THEN BUT NOT NOW'...
there is no consistency or honesty with these people.
My points do not contradict any part of the Quran or hadith and just makes all round sense. They are not pro christian or jewish. my arguments with christians do not come from me attacking their book.
The fact that muslims can openly attack the bible for decades on end like this, an entire movement of wahabi-saudi backed dawah spreading far and wide, mass printing and distrubuting material.....having had so much time to learn their error and amend their position, only to double down, is clear cut evidence that this entire position is coming from shaitan. in essence it is an attack against the Quran also.
Ive also highlighted the manner in which certain translators eg Mohsin Khan..have literally changed the Quran via false translations.
in a time where we have websites like searchtruth.com and can read direct arabic along with various other translations next to each other, or even read the transiliteration and look up the meanings of terms or how they've been used in other parts of the Quran (if they have), there is no more excuse.
the fact i could share all of this when no one else does...in text form so they arent blindsided by hate and can actually sit down and read the Quran directly....yet they will still cope hard and say things like 'oh if yeww so speshul challenge mohammed hijab to a debate'
wtf?
those guys are very strategic in how they frustrate and attack their opponents. i doubt a single one of them cares about the above. their allegiance is to their own ego and self identity. it isn't to the truth.
this is not being pro-islam at all, it is no different to a jew who ignores the bible concerning Jesus and sides with his fellow jews.
As an example i watched a video recently where a christian speaks to jews in israel about Jesus in the bible. The first jew said 'we side with people like maimonaides'.
the christian was stroking jewish fanny for this judeo-christian alliance....but all i could think is 'these clowns dont even know who maimonaides was or what we wrote'
of course i do....
maimonaides served Salahuddin....he was a jewish philosopher, rabbi and a doctor.
He claimed that the verse in Daniel 'the wise shall stumble' referred to 'people like Jesus'.
yet the context of that verse pertained to the period of antiochus epiphanes and the maccabean revolt, 170 yrs before Jesus. Given how fresh the maccabean story is to jews ie Hannukah, given that they have 2 books of the Maccabees aswell which they ALL read...they fully know they are lying, yet they cling to it knowing they are bullshitting to morons.
it's like lying to a child...knowing the child is too naive to know any better and it saves you the aggro.
all of these muslims attacking the bible are the same..
one final point...
And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the torah and the Gospel,
(سورة آل عمران, Aal-i-Imraan, Chapter #3, Verse #48)
this is about Jesus AS.
So Jesus was taught 'the scripture' (meaning all of the old testament), the torah and the gospel....with WISDOM.
so let's assume the torah of the jews was corrupt...Jesus was taught the torah, so why didnt he right that wrong? had he done, christianity would have it's own Torah differing from the one jews have.
if they think 'nah Jesus wouldnt care, not that important' why do they cling to the argument that HE WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL
wouldnt he start with the torah if he was there for jews/israelites?
of course the same argument then applies to the Gospel. ie if Jesus did correct the torah and come out with his own version, then it means the existing gospel is all fake or corrupt. yet the Quran says otherwise.
in the hadith it says the uncle in law of prophet Mohammad, would 'write THE GOSPEL in arabic' ie he would translate it.
'the gospel' implies the gospel was correct and true, otherwise it would not be called Injeel at all but 'he used to write his own version of an injeel with his own hands'
how is it muslims cant even understand these basic points?
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