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That's why it's called K-Pop though, and not K-Contemporary or K-Alternative Rock
But even american pop artists have made and contributed to their own music the genesis of pop music started in america and even the cookie cutter pushed by the industry people were without a doubt talented and able to compose or at least actually sing and perform well. The difference is the social and politcal structure in Korea and the overbearing dominance of the chaebols,
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kids from wealthy families come first no doubt and there is no room for other people who don't have connections or funding from those families.


Fact is it's a very small pool of people who are barely able to do high school theater level performances because unlike america which is huge and has lots of people who are genuinely talented in everyday life so they know they have to make stars that can SING acapella on point nobody can question their talent. It's why they had a baby justin beiber singin on the street like a pauper they had to prove he could actually sing.

they have no competition nada, zilch, none at all and they know it. Not because they don't exist but because of the chaebol system nobody is above them and there's and after the economic crisis they don't want them to leave Korea and go somewhere else so their family and their picked apples will always be treated well. As simply as mommy's little boy/girl wants to be a star. Make them a group and I'll invest in this worthless company. It's really and truly as simple as that. This explains why some idols don't work for years but are still millionaires and don't look stressed but in america if an actor doesn't work for a few years you'll see them doing any and everything. If these idols were as poor as they claimed to be as children they wouldn't be so lazy, so comfortable so unbothered by anything and everything. They pick and choose what they want to do. I've seen people wonder how an unbooked and not busy idol could reject stuff they don't feel like doing. Because it's not for the money it's a play circus for them. Their worries as an idol is the most worried they've ever been or ever will be in their lives.
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(The high rate of lipsynching and poor choreography amongst idols when live make no sense when they train for sometimes over a decade in some cases unless it's just something to make people think they fought to get their spot in these coveted companies when the reality is they are chosen from wealthy families.)

It's a smaller country than America is and very proud of it's originality despite historically taking a lot from even their own neighbours while swearing to the heavens they did not. This attitude persists even to this day. So much so that they feel they can take from others while giving little to no credit because they've been doing it for so long. They genuinely feel that since they or their puppets in their mind are doing it better that there is no need to ever credit anyone beside the obvious in which they'd get sued if they didn't.

Sm was forced to give Louis Tomlinsin credit after the similarites to his song back to you and loveshot were found but there are many times
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This has happened many times and I believe if Louis wasn't a member of one direction his name wouldn't of been added. Why?
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Now one may be able to write this off as simply cultural sharing and just a cute source of inspo. But looking at sm artists long history of just ick towards poc's of pretty much every diaspora it's in very poor taste. Even down to the choreography which feature a variety of black originated dance moves that have never and will never be copywritten because most black people don't even think of copywriting something that's simply just a form of expression yet these companies don't hesitate to copyright material that's known to originally someone else's. But people think it's simply cute and them being pro black but it's not they are pro money. Where energy flows money goes. All to seem cool and make money yet they did not start this it's simply a case of copying worked for the people over there so let's try it.





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Elvis for example it's very well known and even shown in his bio film w austin butler his musical inspiration/ dancing style overall persona came from encountering negro spirituals as a child. The reason why they can say this in a 2022 film and not in say in the 1970s,80s, 90s or even really talk about it in recent years in such a broad display of truth not simply hinting at it or talking about it for 2 seconds as a joke. Is because the political and social climate did not call for that conversation to be had back then. Similar to how K-pop seems to have amnesia concerning the history of where got the hallyu wave got it's inspiration, american pop music icons for decades were mentioned without any notions that their inspiration being black musicians at least not just as a passing comment but a real think piece way like the elvis movie portrayed. It's not really about saying a whole race being untalented there are talented people everywhere it just so happens in Korea it's just a different ball game. They are homogenous in pretty much all ways and not only don't want to have a plethora of different types of people in their country they are very much against it. Which is fine because that's their choice.

But seeing that they also when they are running low on ideas seem to think peeking over at either black musican's work/ or white musicians/dancers(oh god the dance move theft is so real in korea) who are more open minded and able to come up with ideas inspired by other cultures and write a little check and make a thinly veiled carbon copy that they will look back on as fully their creation never inviting or showcasing to the world any good relations with these artist they take from.

It leaves a poor taste in everyone's mouth seeing that many were desperate to use racism guilt tactics to get kpop to the top, telling people to lower their defenses and show love to this other culture but they culturally historically time after time after time, not only do they not extend that same respect but show disrespect after they have gotten the clout, views, attention that they desire.

It makes everyone a lot more judgmental of their work retrospectively because of the large contradictions present when you look at the art and impact of kpop coupled with the campaigns of love peace and global acceptance when bullying culturally is a massive problem in asia. So of course idols brought up in asia will bully and pick on one another even as adults for something as simple as skin color. Resulting in fans feeling gaslit and confused how their nice meow meow could be so cruel.

There's a large underbelly to why people pick apart kpop so meticulously and it is somewhat to do with music but also deeper. 1960s music is fine and dandy, catchy and nice to listen to but knowing many of those songs were taken whitewashed and promoted over black musicians who made the original it's distasteful when looking at the full picture. The movie hairspray displays this wonderfully. The main character Tracy catapulted to fame by copying a dance style popularized by black people, when they could only dance one day a month on negro day. A special day set apart just for them just to prove the company wasn't racist and blacks and white would both watch the show giving them money.

I feel like the black idols kpop pushes in particular the 1 per group is very similar. Back in the day it was the 1 or 2 tan member but due to globalization they are trying to maximize profits totally biting off of what japan did decades ago which is bring in half black/half white/south american people to improve their catalogue I believe on jpop group in the 90s had a half peruvian member. So Kpop is only doing what similar business ventures have done in the past.

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So I do understand the feeling that people may not give other races enough credit being that anyone can make art. This is true. But historically black people have put a large emphasis on creativity, music, dancing, even when it was a danger to their own lives, they made a way to encorporate spirituality into everything. Native americans at one point could of been taken off the planet if they did certain spiritual dances they still did it. So now that it makes money and other cultures are doing it half for fun and half to make a profit, it's important to go into the history of it and think before it made money who was still doing it passionately, with devotion.

(it's important to note the effect imperialism had on asia, and it's attitude towards racial purity the mindset behind pushing lighter skin and eurocentricity particularly around the world war two era that has much to do with what you are seeing now and the racism and colorism that persists in asia it's deeper than even I can get into in one post. The capitalism mixed with imperialism mixed in with colorism which ties into racial purity ideas that seeped into asia even deeper than it already was pre the kickstart of globalism via the world wars and whatnot. Black were not only taboo racially, culturally, and possibly even spiritually in asia but afroindigenous/darker people's and their practices were whitewashed heavily to the point of many things that orignated with them in other countries have been rewritten causing a 'we never knew you' attitude from people who may have historically had ties with black peoples and their cultures in the past. This is most seen in how far east asian people treat south east asians when genetically speaking they are cousins basically. But culturally they act like they are the dirt beneath their feat and anyone with features similar to their's should hurry to the plastic surgery office as quickly as can be to fix said features.)

Mainly black and indigenous cultures. It's human to create art but some people do hold it nearer and dearer to their hearts and souls. Pop music in general is the collection of various influences of music mainly rnb, hip hop, rock all of which emphasize heavy beats and drums and rhythms that got its start during the blues era. There is no such thing as POP music it is simply POPular music. Popular music that tends to draw people in would be mainly rhythmic dance music; honestly this could go on for hours going into the genesis of what music really is and why it is used to attract people and who really holds claim to what it's endless.

The truth is the truth though one would have to go to other people and buy something that they can't for whatever reason come up with on their own. Nobody forces these Korean companies to buy black people's artwork and put korean lyrics on it they do it themselves. They could easily do what many other artists in asia do and come up with cord progressions on their own. Nobody forces them to dress of dance a certain way either. They could do something completely different.

The same could be said for western artists as well but maybe the difference at least in modern day is a western artist will actually work with black people openly and be seen in the same room with them.
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While Korean companies don't want their fans to even think about that happening. Lots of behind the scenes with exo yet few of their fans know how many samples they have used from black artists, how many black artists they have worked with that have to say on their personal instagrams they worked with said artists. Yet these fans could name every song their artists have put their name on for inserting like one lyric.The truth is they typically don't because apart of the illusion is simply never showing their connection to these black artists. So their fans will continue to praise them for making such good music. If those fans cared even slightly about the truth they only need to do a simple google search but most will not. The article I found concerning the kokobop comparison had no comments and a few poc's have discussed it on tiktok but no larger conversation. Because even doing so may hurt the fragile ego many of them have. It is not insulting to anyone to sample or have a producer help you out if you're low on ideas. We all are here to help and assist one another in this life. But it's simply shameful to perpetuate the fraudulent image of being a mastermind like many of these k-producers, ceo's and idols make themselves seem like. Sadly even when they do say where the inspo comes from fans avert their eyes and turn up their noses waiting for the uncomfortable conversation to be over. Nobody needs to bow down to another race or anything but seeing as though their are still legions of fans that will dox or get evidence concerning their idols around black people taken down it's clear there's some type of deep seeded hate their. Completely unwarranted because the average black person doesn't care who copies black people and how much money they make doing it. They have other problems. I understand people being a little harsh on kpop's validity and quality because it's about basic respect. They give none sometimes less than none so they tend to get little to none in return.
 

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But even american pop artists have made and contributed to their own music the genesis of pop music started in america and even the cookie cutter pushed by the industry people were without a doubt talented and able to compose or at least actually sing and perform well. The difference is the social and politcal structure in Korea and the overbearing dominance of the chaebols,
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kids from wealthy families come first no doubt and there is no room for other people who don't have connections or funding from those families.


Fact is it's a very small pool of people who are barely able to do high school theater level performances because unlike america which is huge and has lots of people who are genuinely talented in everyday life so they know they have to make stars that can SING acapella on point nobody can question their talent. It's why they had a baby justin beiber singin on the street like a pauper they had to prove he could actually sing.

they have no competition nada, zilch, none at all and they know it. Not because they don't exist but because of the chaebol system nobody is above them and there's and after the economic crisis they don't want them to leave Korea and go somewhere else so their family and their picked apples will always be treated well. As simply as mommy's little boy/girl wants to be a star. Make them a group and I'll invest in this worthless company. It's really and truly as simple as that. This explains why some idols don't work for years but are still millionaires and don't look stressed but in america if an actor doesn't work for a few years you'll see them doing any and everything. If these idols were as poor as they claimed to be as children they wouldn't be so lazy, so comfortable so unbothered by anything and everything. They pick and choose what they want to do. I've seen people wonder how an unbooked and not busy idol could reject stuff they don't feel like doing. Because it's not for the money it's a play circus for them. Their worries as an idol is the most worried they've ever been or ever will be in their lives.
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(The high rate of lipsynching and poor choreography amongst idols when live make no sense when they train for sometimes over a decade in some cases unless it's just something to make people think they fought to get their spot in these coveted companies when the reality is they are chosen from wealthy families.)

It's a smaller country than America is and very proud of it's originality despite historically taking a lot from even their own neighbours while swearing to the heavens they did not. This attitude persists even to this day. So much so that they feel they can take from others while giving little to no credit because they've been doing it for so long. They genuinely feel that since they or their puppets in their mind are doing it better that there is no need to ever credit anyone beside the obvious in which they'd get sued if they didn't.

Sm was forced to give Louis Tomlinsin credit after the similarites to his song back to you and loveshot were found but there are many times
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This has happened many times and I believe if Louis wasn't a member of one direction his name wouldn't of been added. Why?
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Now one may be able to write this off as simply cultural sharing and just a cute source of inspo. But looking at sm artists long history of just ick towards poc's of pretty much every diaspora it's in very poor taste. Even down to the choreography which feature a variety of black originated dance moves that have never and will never be copywritten because most black people don't even think of copywriting something that's simply just a form of expression yet these companies don't hesitate to copyright material that's known to originally someone else's. But people think it's simply cute and them being pro black but it's not they are pro money. Where energy flows money goes. All to seem cool and make money yet they did not start this it's simply a case of copying worked for the people over there so let's try it.





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Elvis for example it's very well known and even shown in his bio film w austin butler his musical inspiration/ dancing style overall persona came from encountering negro spirituals as a child. The reason why they can say this in a 2022 film and not in say in the 1970s,80s, 90s or even really talk about it in recent years in such a broad display of truth not simply hinting at it or talking about it for 2 seconds as a joke. Is because the political and social climate did not call for that conversation to be had back then. Similar to how K-pop seems to have amnesia concerning the history of where got the hallyu wave got it's inspiration, american pop music icons for decades were mentioned without any notions that their inspiration being black musicians at least not just as a passing comment but a real think piece way like the elvis movie portrayed. It's not really about saying a whole race being untalented there are talented people everywhere it just so happens in Korea it's just a different ball game. They are homogenous in pretty much all ways and not only don't want to have a plethora of different types of people in their country they are very much against it. Which is fine because that's their choice.

But seeing that they also when they are running low on ideas seem to think peeking over at either black musican's work/ or white musicians/dancers(oh god the dance move theft is so real in korea) who are more open minded and able to come up with ideas inspired by other cultures and write a little check and make a thinly veiled carbon copy that they will look back on as fully their creation never inviting or showcasing to the world any good relations with these artist they take from.

It leaves a poor taste in everyone's mouth seeing that many were desperate to use racism guilt tactics to get kpop to the top, telling people to lower their defenses and show love to this other culture but they culturally historically time after time after time, not only do they not extend that same respect but show disrespect after they have gotten the clout, views, attention that they desire.

It makes everyone a lot more judgmental of their work retrospectively because of the large contradictions present when you look at the art and impact of kpop coupled with the campaigns of love peace and global acceptance when bullying culturally is a massive problem in asia. So of course idols brought up in asia will bully and pick on one another even as adults for something as simple as skin color. Resulting in fans feeling gaslit and confused how their nice meow meow could be so cruel.

There's a large underbelly to why people pick apart kpop so meticulously and it is somewhat to do with music but also deeper. 1960s music is fine and dandy, catchy and nice to listen to but knowing many of those songs were taken whitewashed and promoted over black musicians who made the original it's distasteful when looking at the full picture. The movie hairspray displays this wonderfully. The main character Tracy catapulted to fame by copying a dance style popularized by black people, when they could only dance one day a month on negro day. A special day set apart just for them just to prove the company wasn't racist and blacks and white would both watch the show giving them money.

I feel like the black idols kpop pushes in particular the 1 per group is very similar. Back in the day it was the 1 or 2 tan member but due to globalization they are trying to maximize profits totally biting off of what japan did decades ago which is bring in half black/half white/south american people to improve their catalogue I believe on jpop group in the 90s had a half peruvian member. So Kpop is only doing what similar business ventures have done in the past.

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So I do understand the feeling that people may not give other races enough credit being that anyone can make art. This is true. But historically black people have put a large emphasis on creativity, music, dancing, even when it was a danger to their own lives, they made a way to encorporate spirituality into everything. Native americans at one point could of been taken off the planet if they did certain spiritual dances they still did it. So now that it makes money and other cultures are doing it half for fun and half to make a profit, it's important to go into the history of it and think before it made money who was still doing it passionately, with devotion.

(it's important to note the effect imperialism had on asia, and it's attitude towards racial purity the mindset behind pushing lighter skin and eurocentricity particularly around the world war two era that has much to do with what you are seeing now and the racism and colorism that persists in asia it's deeper than even I can get into in one post. The capitalism mixed with imperialism mixed in with colorism which ties into racial purity ideas that seeped into asia even deeper than it already was pre the kickstart of globalism via the world wars and whatnot. Black were not only taboo racially, culturally, and possibly even spiritually in asia but afroindigenous/darker people's and their practices were whitewashed heavily to the point of many things that orignated with them in other countries have been rewritten causing a 'we never knew you' attitude from people who may have historically had ties with black peoples and their cultures in the past. This is most seen in how far east asian people treat south east asians when genetically speaking they are cousins basically. But culturally they act like they are the dirt beneath their feat and anyone with features similar to their's should hurry to the plastic surgery office as quickly as can be to fix said features.)

Mainly black and indigenous cultures. It's human to create art but some people do hold it nearer and dearer to their hearts and souls. Pop music in general is the collection of various influences of music mainly rnb, hip hop, rock all of which emphasize heavy beats and drums and rhythms that got its start during the blues era. There is no such thing as POP music it is simply POPular music. Popular music that tends to draw people in would be mainly rhythmic dance music; honestly this could go on for hours going into the genesis of what music really is and why it is used to attract people and who really holds claim to what it's endless.

The truth is the truth though one would have to go to other people and buy something that they can't for whatever reason come up with on their own. Nobody forces these Korean companies to buy black people's artwork and put korean lyrics on it they do it themselves. They could easily do what many other artists in asia do and come up with cord progressions on their own. Nobody forces them to dress of dance a certain way either. They could do something completely different.

The same could be said for western artists as well but maybe the difference at least in modern day is a western artist will actually work with black people openly and be seen in the same room with them.
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While Korean companies don't want their fans to even think about that happening. Lots of behind the scenes with exo yet few of their fans know how many samples they have used from black artists, how many black artists they have worked with that have to say on their personal instagrams they worked with said artists. Yet these fans could name every song their artists have put their name on for inserting like one lyric.The truth is they typically don't because apart of the illusion is simply never showing their connection to these black artists. So their fans will continue to praise them for making such good music. If those fans cared even slightly about the truth they only need to do a simple google search but most will not. The article I found concerning the kokobop comparison had no comments and a few poc's have discussed it on tiktok but no larger conversation. Because even doing so may hurt the fragile ego many of them have. It is not insulting to anyone to sample or have a producer help you out if you're low on ideas. We all are here to help and assist one another in this life. But it's simply shameful to perpetuate the fraudulent image of being a mastermind like many of these k-producers, ceo's and idols make themselves seem like. Sadly even when they do say where the inspo comes from fans avert their eyes and turn up their noses waiting for the uncomfortable conversation to be over. Nobody needs to bow down to another race or anything but seeing as though their are still legions of fans that will dox or get evidence concerning their idols around black people taken down it's clear there's some type of deep seeded hate their. Completely unwarranted because the average black person doesn't care who copies black people and how much money they make doing it. They have other problems. I understand people being a little harsh on kpop's validity and quality because it's about basic respect. They give none sometimes less than none so they tend to get little to none in return.
There is no integrity in what they do...indeed, for the largest part...
 

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That's why it's called K-Pop though, and not K-Contemporary or K-Alternative Rock
IU is known mostly as a K-pop artist, Gdragon makes K-pop, BT$ too even though they are overrated as hell make K-pop and until 2018 their musical output was pretty good. We weren't talking about pop musicians or Korean pop musicians lacking in talent. It was more about the lack of idols' involvement in making music for their groups and comebacks. Most of the time the company (especially $M) buy demos or copyrights of released songs from western producers and artists then they change the lyrics to Korean and add choreography. This is extremely lazy when you think about the fact that Korea can make their own songs with Korean producers.
 

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Man, they don't even change the melodies or ad libs. Just translate the songs in Korean and ask their idols to sing it. I used to like $M idols because they are talented vocalists but now I lost all respect for them. Fine was T@eyeon's biggest hit and she didn't do shit to make the song. The original singer and composer deserves all the praise. She is even on par with T@eyeon in terms in vocal. What's the difference between $M idols and those youtube cover artists?? A lot of people who post covers on Youtube work harder than them by making their own arrangements for the original songs. T@eyeon one of the top female idols in kpop has songwriting credits for only 4 songs in her 17 years career as an idol and she wasn't the sole songwriter of those songs so she probably only changed a few words here and there. RV are worse with zero songwriting credits for all members except Yeri who wrote 2-3 songs. SNSD and RV are just as bad as BP but people keep giving them a pass because the members have good vocals. Twice look so much better in comparison now because the girls are more involved in production of their songs.

Good thing some like Ex0, Suju are leaving $M. That company is a culture vulture. They really, built their empire by stealing from western producers' and ironically their idols also have the most cases of CA. The way they think its ok to steal from black people but then turn around and mock them for their skin color.
 
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Think of Jungkooks recent releases. In relation to the US, it's ancient. It harkens back to the 90's, 2000's, 2010's. Did you know most of Jungkooks releases have a version with the US guest artist removed? Even when K-pop artists go to America, most don't want to even listen to current American artists. Most of the BTS fans loved the Jungkook song without any guest artists the most.

This song is not old music, it sounds like a Weeknd reject, whose current music is greatly inspired by/sampling the 80s hits and MJ.
Please I cannot be the only one to notice the pattern.
 
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IU is known mostly as a K-pop artist, Gdragon makes K-pop, BT$ too even though they are overrated as hell make K-pop and until 2018 their musical output was pretty good. We weren't talking about pop musicians or Korean pop musicians lacking in talent. It was more about the lack of idols' involvement in making music for their groups and comebacks. Most of the time the company (especially $M) buy demos or copyrights of released songs from western producers and artists then they change the lyrics to Korean and add choreography. This is extremely lazy when you think about the fact that Korea can make their own songs with Korean producers.
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying US pop industry doesn't draw from international trainers, choreographers, lyricists, composers? The US pop system is just natural or something?
 
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Why would Blackpink do this? They almost had their freedom.

But it's expected now that blackpink have won that award from those 33° freemasons, the British Royal family, the heads of committee of 300 themselves...?

Is it because Babymonster flopped and YG caved into Blackpink's demands for the contract renewal?
 
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Why would Blackpink do this? They almost had their freedom.

But it's expected now that blackpink have won that award from those 33° freemasons, the British Royal family, the heads of committee of 300 themselves...?

Is it because Babymonster flopped and YG caved into Blackpink's demands for the contract renewal?
They must have been blackmailed like crazy. If they were to leave whygees stock would plummet, besides that whygee got a lot of dirt on the two coloured group. Eventually with two other groups that have made their debut after them none of these groups have reached that succes.
 

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I'm a bit confused. Are you saying US pop industry doesn't draw from international trainers, choreographers, lyricists, composers? The US pop system is just natural or something?
Why can't you understand something so simple? I am talking about idols not taking part in production of their music. Let me give you an example. Taylor swift is the most popular US artist right now and that woman owns her music. She writes lyrics to all her songs and often has credits for production as well. Compare that to Taeyeon one of the most popular female soloists in Korea whose only contribution in making of her albums is providing vocals. The same thing can be said about Jungkook who didn't take part in production of his own album. Artists who don't make their own music get criticized all the time and even American artists have been dragged for this. And this is not just us. Prince one of the most acclaimed musician of all time also dragged pop musicians who didn't participate in production of their own albums.
 

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Why would Blackpink do this? They almost had their freedom.

But it's expected now that blackpink have won that award from those 33° freemasons, the British Royal family, the heads of committee of 300 themselves...?

Is it because Babymonster flopped and YG caved into Blackpink's demands for the contract renewal?
They were probably blackmailed by YGe. Baby monster flopped and YGe doesn't have any popular artist on his roster rn.
 

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Why can't you understand something so simple? I am talking about idols not taking part in production of their music. Let me give you an example. Taylor swift is the most popular US artist right now and that woman owns her music. She writes lyrics to all her songs and often has credits for production as well.
Oh I see now. You believe the Western PR machine. Like fans believe the K-Pop PR machine and believe idols don't date or smoke or get involved in underage drinking.
 

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Why can't you understand something so simple? I am talking about idols not taking part in production of their music. Let me give you an example. Taylor swift is the most popular US artist right now and that woman owns her music. She writes lyrics to all her songs and often has credits for production as well. Compare that to Taeyeon one of the most popular female soloists in Korea whose only contribution in making of her albums is providing vocals. The same thing can be said about Jungkook who didn't take part in production of his own album. Artists who don't make their own music get criticized all the time and even American artists have been dragged for this. And this is not just us. Prince one of the most acclaimed musician of all time also dragged pop musicians who didn't participate in production of their own albums.
Our point was not that idols don’t participate in the production because seriously who expects that from them , they are idols not musicians, most cannot even sing properly. Our point was the the Kpop machine as a whole is not original and copies western music without bringing much new to the table. Hybe shamelessly just copies current top artists. Now they want to stop singing in their own langauge as well, so what remains?
There are still some kpop companies that release a a different type music even though they also use western producers and songwriters, and it sounds like this

If you enjoy this good for you.

Let’s look at YG that don’t buy their songs because they have an in house producer at least (even though a lot of the songs sound the same)
Sample and then add an oriental EDM beat on top of every song.
 
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I think our point was not that idols don’t participate in the production because seriously who expects that from them ? Our point was the the Kpop as a whole is not original at all and copies current western music without bringing much new to the table. Now they want to stop singing in their own langauge as well, so what remains?
But idols not participating in production of their music is also part of why kpop is not original. We can't really gatekeep music genres now. There are Korean artists who are not idols but make R&B, pop, Jazz mostly produced by Koreans but these people aren't being pushed in the western market. I won't have a problem if someone like Lee Mujin wins a Grammy with a self-produced song in Korean but we know that's not going to happen.


I have been doing some research about this and I believe Kpop and all these other Asian pop (T-pop, V-pop, J-pop) are part of the US's new world order agenda. K-pop is really just a tool used to westernise Asian countries and spread the same agendas/culture all around the world. Now, companies are making their idols sing in English and disclosing plans to debut groups without Koreans. Soon, K-pop will disappear and just become western pop.
 
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But idols not participating in production of their music is also part of why kpop is not original. We can't really gatekeep music genres now. If they make Hip Hop but the music is made by Koreans and isn't blatantly trying to copy some western trends or artists then we can't really attack them.
No I agree. But I attack current western music as well that just lazily samples or remakes good old music with minimal originality, then adds a bad meaningless rap on top. My point is that there is no originality or uniqueness in the sound regardless of who made it. You can make any genre hiphop, rap, pop whatever and add something new or a small element of your own culture to it. Kpop doesn’t do this. There is nothing ”korean” about most of this music. That is fine too, but don’t pretend that this something new different or original. Accept that this is bubblegum pop that copies western trends and is sung in korean (previously) now sung mostly in English.
I listen to music from different parts of the world, and i guarantee that their pop and hiphop can sound very different to mainstream western pop and hiphop even though they draws a lot of inspiration from it. Anyone is free to make western music as well, but at least be a little more original.
 
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No I agree. But I attack current western music as well that just samples or remakes good old music with minimal originality and adds a bad meaningless rap on top. My point is that there is no originalityor uniqueness in the sound regardless of who made it. You can make any genre hiphop, rap, pop whatever and add something new or a small element of your own culture to it. Kpop doesn’t do this. There is nothing ”korean” about this music. That is fine too, but don’t pretend that this something new different or original, Accept that this is bubblegum pop that copies western trends and is sung in korean (previously) now sung mostly in English.
Yes I too have problem with western artists who don't make their own music. I think JT is recognized by everyone for being a culture vulture now but we don't see Mr. Jkay getting backlash for copying MJ, JB, JT, Usher and the Weeknd etc. Even Korean music critics called out Jkay and Hyb3 for blatantly copying western artists. If Jkay wanted to do pop music why he didn't just release pop songs in Korean made by Koreans? Really, my only problem with K-pop is how the stans think these idols are somehow better than other artists. If we are being honest most idols are just glorified models and cover artists.
 

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Hybe shamelessly just copies current top artists. Now they want to stop singing in their own langauge as well, so what remains?
There are still some kpop companies that release a a different type music even though they also use western producers and songwriters, and it sounds like this

If you enjoy this good for you.

Let’s look at YG that don’t buy their songs because they have an in house producer at least (even though a lot of the songs sound the same)
Sample and then add an oriental EDM beat on top of every song.
I agree with a lot of your points and YGe is no better than Hyb3. Lisa stole choreography from a black woman and copied black rappers in her solo. Hyb3, $M, Yge, Jypee they are all culture vultures. Ironically, the so called "noise music" groups like Stray Kids, NCT release is probably the only new thing K-pop is bringing to the table loll. Still, I will give credit to Stray Kids for being more original because they are produce a lot of their music by themselves.
 

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I don't know if this has been discussed here but this is messed up. In short there is a clause in their contracts which requires idols to release a certain number of albums before they can leave but the company gets to decide unilaterally when the groups will have a comeback. So, say if the contract says X group or soloist has to release 6 albums under their contract and the group releases 5 albums in first 7 years but then the company puts them in a dungeon and doesn't allow them to release an album for 10 years then the contract will be extended for 17 years!!! which is insane and just messed up. SM hasn't changed since JYJ lawsuit. They still put their idols under slave contracts. I am pretty sure Hyb3 and YGee are trying to do something similar with BTS and BP. However, the other companies still seem to be better than SM because YGee allowed Big Bang members to leave and similarly JYP let Got7 go.


I know many theories have been posted on this thread about why Jonghyun died. People say it was a ritual, murder etc. I believe one of the more plausible reasons for why he may have been pushed to take his life is because of SM pressuring him for contract renewal. Sh1nee renewed their contract for the first time as 4 members in 2018. The fact this happened only 7-8 months after J0nghyun's death is suspicious. If anyone among Sh1nee was going to leave SM it was Jonghyun.


Also, I feel like the other members are not talented and confident enough to leave. Sh1nee were mostly a midtier group in Korea and they aren't very popular as soloists except Taemin. I also think they tried to sabotage Taemin's career pre-enlistment because they didn't want him to leave and that's what led to his mental breakdown. No, one really wants to stay in that company but the management is full of evil people. What's worse is that they don't even pay their artists. 90% of money from the millions of albums fans buy go to the upper management of that company. The artists and workers both are underpaid and overworked. The situation is really messed up for these people. I really feel bad for them because most of them are scouted when they are very young and naive.
 
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