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Tbh I never thought about this on a macro scale. There are septic systems you know and while exploring space is nice it probably isn’t necessary. ;) I think our technology has advanced far enough to support self sufficiency or it is atleast almost there. I just see all these systems outside of that as power structures and when there’s a power structure there is always a winner and a loser. Maybe I’m just so fed up with the state of the world I’m romanticizing something that ultimately is just a different set of problems? Hard to be objective concerning yourself.
Every structure has it’s good and bad.
Even the most basic of services we consume is tied into some low income labor somewhere. Our system although broken, appeals to a majority of populations. Immigrants legal and illegal still make it their effort to come here cause they can make a living doing what they do in improved conditions.


Overall. Us Americans are pretty spoiled compared
to most of the world. We complain yet don’t realize how easy we have it
 

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What was wrong in what I said?
It's pretty clear to sensible people that vastly enriching a small minority at the expense of many who are forced to live in poverty despite their employers easily being able to pay them enough to live a happy and dignified life is unjust. Like I said, read some books, expand your perspective, try to discover whether the facts justify your opinions before aggressively sharing them everywhere.

Anyway, this thread is about fascism. Of course under a fascist system it is "survival of the fittest", as the author I posted said "the most cynical" who have the power. Not so different to capitalism really, just more overt. Trump seems to have some definite fascistic tendencies, with his populism, the things he said about the protests ("the looting starts, the shooting starts" and threatening to call in the army) are really quite obvious signs of the same kind of authoritarianism found in fascist societies, though he doesn't manifest so much the "traditional" side, at least in the way European fascist leaders did. I guess European history is a lot older.
 

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The problem with self-sufficiency is not a technical one, per se.
It is much more basic than that - as Communist Russia found out to its cost.
it is very difficult, as I said earlier, for one single country to have everything it needs - even a country as big as the USA - to support itself, purely from a geographical/environmental perspective alone. Raw materials aren’t distributed evenly throughout the world. Climate is not consistent throughout the world. The potential for natural disaster is not equal throughout the world.
 

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Fascism is the last resort of Capitalism.

When Capitalism fails the elites must pacify the angry masses with "culture wars"

To prevent them from correctly identifying the system of capitalism as the problem, they are fed a diet of distractions and scapegoats.

That's why it always becomes a debate over culture and ultimately race. The scapegoats for the failure of capitalism becomes minorities, immigrants, progressives and liberals. The breakdown of traditional culture.

Dont worry about the 1%, worry about people saying "happy holidays" as opposed to "merry christmas"

These are the culture wars they have people suckered into, while they continue to be robbed blind by the capitalistic system.

Then they create enemies domestic and abroad to once again distract you with and to justify the police state, so you beg for it to be safe.

Fascism is really deep, but it's been done before and they are doing it again.
Agreed. Fascism is used as the last resort to hide the common goal of every political system: control of the people (masses) and the world's resources by a select few rich and powerful people, made possible by loads of made-up rules (legislation, policies, statutes and "codes", etc.), so they can continue to be rich and powerful.

That's why IF we had the courage to UNITE and get rid of all of their made-up rules, and go back to our Creator's Law, their entire house of cards would come tumbling down.

For those who may doubt that these political systems are merely tools used to provide people with the ILLUSION of choice, then please consider the results. The richest 1% owns the overwhelming majority of the world's wealth and resources through their various corporate structures across every single nation and political system in the world.

Capitalism pretends to be about private ownership and property rights. But what most people are unaware of is that ALL governments are corporations, and it is the owners of the corporations that decide what's what.

For example, the current president of the corporation known as the United States of America is Donald J. Trump. But Trump is NOT one of the owners/stock-holders; the international banking cartel are, through their various corporate banks, e.g. the Federal Reserve, World Bank and Bank of International Settlements.

The owners don't give a hoot about whether they set up shop in a "capitalistic" country or a "socialistic" country or a "communistic country", because those things don't really exist any more than political parties do. And besides, they created those systems to serve their purposes, to replace monarchies and consolidate wealth and power. We only believe that there's a difference between the left and the right in their made-up political systems because we've been programmed to accept that LIE, despite the fact that nothing ever changes regardless of what political party is temporarily "in power" (or, more accurately put, thought to be in power).

The corporate governments are for-profit-businesses that make up rules to benefit the corporate structure and maintain profitability, while presenting the illusion that they are "of the people, for the people and by the people", which is total, unadulterated NONSENSE.

The public programs such as welfare, social security, medicare, and other spending on public works are nothing more than "advertising" and/or "insurance" to keep the masses distracted and therefore pacified, keeping the corporate governments in business, to ensure they meet the demands of their owners. If a corporate government is unsuccessful/unprofitable, then its owners arrange for its current leadership to be replaced, either through the farce of a general election (held for public amusement), or by force,. through a coup attempt they fund with their made-up "legal tender" which, like everything they do, is based upon FRAUD.
 

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This was all actually explained to us in the brilliant 1976 (yeah, 200th anniversary) film "Network" in Jensen's speech to Mr. Beale in his corporate boardroom Jensen refers to as "Valhalla".

(transcript from: https://americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.html)

Jensen: You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it!! Is that clear?! You think you've merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance!

You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today!
And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!

Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state -- Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality -- one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused (see Ezek. 13:10).

And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.

Beale: But why me?

Jensen: Because you're on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.

Beale: I have seen the face of God.

Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale.
 

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That's why IF we had the courage to UNITE and get rid of all of their made-up rules, and go back to our Creator's Law, their entire house of cards would come tumbling down.
If you want to talk about Unity it's necessary to start with the idea that all the different spiritual philosophies have their own truths and stop with this "my God is the true God, yours is a fake God" shit. It's exactly that attitude which prevents there from being any kind of united front against the dark forces.
 

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This was all actually explained to us in the brilliant 1976 (yeah, 200th anniversary) film "Network" in Jensen's speech to Mr. Beale in his corporate boardroom Jensen refers to as "Valhalla".

(transcript from: https://americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.html)

Jensen: You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it!! Is that clear?! You think you've merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance!

You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today!
And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!

Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state -- Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality -- one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused (see Ezek. 13:10).

And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.

Beale: But why me?

Jensen: Because you're on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.

Beale: I have seen the face of God.

Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale.
You may also find this interesting: The Corporations
 

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If you want to talk about Unity it's necessary to start with the idea that all the different spiritual philosophies have their own truths and stop with this "my God is the true God, yours is a fake God" shit. It's exactly that attitude which prevents there from being any kind of united front against the dark forces.
In reality, there is only ONE God, ONE Law and ONE Truth. And there will only be UNITY when everyone realizes that FACT.

It is Lucifer/Satan (the Opposer)/Iblis/the devil (LIAR)/serpent/red dragon who created all organized religion to divide and conquer and keep people AWAY from our Creator.

That's why your self-contradictory, cognitive dissonance inducing nonsense will NEVER work. You cannot be divided into various groups and beliefs and be united. It's exactly YOUR attitude and belief in entertaining multiple religions, multiple personalities, and multiple philosophies that continues to keep this world divided, exactly as Satan wants it to be (which is why he gets you to peddle that lie).

The Truth doesn't need any organized religion to sell it. The Truth always proves itself.
 

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In reality, there is only ONE God, ONE Law and ONE Truth. And there will only be UNITY when everyone realizes that FACT.

It is Lucifer/Satan (the Opposer)/Iblis/the devil (LIAR)/serpent/red dragon who created all organized religion to divide and conquer and keep people AWAY from our Creator.

That's why your self-contradictory, cognitive dissonance inducing nonsense will NEVER work. You cannot be divided into various groups and beliefs and be united. It's exactly YOUR attitude and belief in entertaining multiple religions, multiple personalities, and multiple philosophies that continues to keep this world divided, exactly as Satan wants it to be (which is why he gets you to peddle that lie).

The Truth doesn't need any organized religion to sell it. The Truth always proves itself.
Who said anything about organized religion? I'm simply saying you should really be mature enough to grasp that whether a person says "Allah", "Krishna" or "Elohim" they are referring to the same God by different names.
 

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You may also find this interesting: The Corporations
Thank-you. Do you happen to know the definition of a "person" pursuant to 26 U.S. Code § 7701?

26 U.S. Code § 7701.Definitions
(a)When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—
(1)Person
The term “person” shall be construed to mean and include an INDIVIDUAL, a trust, estate, partnership, association, company or CORPORATION.

Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7701

The entire legal system is predicated upon "legalese" like the example above, where common-use terms have been redefined to enable corporate fictions, particularly the corporate governments, to carry out fraud on a massive scale against the people every day, in every courtroom in every nation around the world, without exception.

And every organized religion has done exactly the same thing, to mix up their lies with the truth, to deceive people.

That's why the only solution to get rid of all of these corporate fictions, is to go back to our Creator's PERFECT Law of Liberty, which contains the perfect form of governance, the perfect system of justice, the perfect agricultural policy, the perfect economic policy and the perfect healthy diet.
 

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Who said anything about organized religion? I'm simply saying you should really be mature enough to grasp that whether a person says "Allah", "Krishna" or "Elohim" they are referring to the same God by different names.
And you should be mature enough to realize you're promoting division, whilst claiming to be promoting unity.

The following has personally been previously posted to help others overcome their divisive and satanic religious programming:-

Aramaic was one of the languages Jesus spoke, and there seems to be a consensus that Jesus spoke Aramaic with His Disciples.

In Aramaic, the Name for God is Elah, pronounced E-lah, which means "The Awesome, Fearful One".
In Arabic, the Name for God is Allah, pronounced Ah-lah, which means "THE God".
In Hebrew, the Singular Name for God is Eloah, pronounced E-law, which likewise means "THE God".

Aramaic and Arabic and Hebrew are all Semitic languages. Comparing the names for God in each of these three languages, they are strikingly similar, to the point of being almost identical. And given the description of God in the Quran as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Moses, etc., just as God is described in the Bible, one would be hard-pressed to refute that Allah is the same God as in the Bible, i.e. the "I AM", our Creator.

Please see the following, from the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which seems worth sharing again regarding mankind's only hope at this point to unite:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

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From the above it should be self-evident (obvious) that no piece of paper could ever grant anyone any rights, no matter how noble or official it may sound. Only God can do that, because they were His to give in the first place, and it is to Him we owe everything, including our very lives.

The Declaration continues to state the following:-

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just* powers from the consent of the governed,--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their RIGHT, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

*Notes:
1) God did NOT make governments; men did;
2) governments were meant to be servants of the people (and were sold under that guise), NOT their sovereign masters;
3) no UNJUST powers were ever consented to by anyone, under any circumstances

There is no need for another "revolution" at this point, because that would simply revolve back around to the same spot we find ourselves in today, IF anyone survives what is already in work. What is needed is for everyone to UNITE under the PERFECT Law of Liberty given to us by our Creator to protect us from all of this evil and to set and keep us FREE.

America was used for the above examples because it's considered the epitome of capitalism which has devolved into a fascist state, and thus is on topic with this thread.

It is also the last nation with virtually unfettered personal access to small arms, meaning when it falls, there will be no one left to oppose the plans of the parasitic criminal class to install their "new" world order with its one world government.

And that is exactly when the precious few with the courage and humility to see and admit our errors and offenses, will turn to our Creator for His Help, prompting His Divine Intervention in this insanity to save us from completely destroying ourselves and this beautiful world He made for us.

Hopefully you can see the truth in what's been shared, Father (God) Willing.

Peace be upon you.
 

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Thank-you. Do you happen to know the definition of a "person" pursuant to 26 U.S. Code § 7701?

26 U.S. Code § 7701.Definitions
(a)When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—
(1)Person
The term “person” shall be construed to mean and include an INDIVIDUAL, a trust, estate, partnership, association, company or CORPORATION.

Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7701

The entire legal system is predicated upon "legalese" like the example above, where common-use terms have been redefined to enable corporate fictions, particularly the corporate governments, to carry out fraud on a massive scale against the people every day, in every courtroom in every nation around the world, without exception.

And every organized religion has done exactly the same thing, to mix up their lies with the truth, to deceive people.

That's why the only solution to get rid of all of these corporate fictions, is to go back to our Creator's PERFECT Law of Liberty, which contains the perfect form of governance, the perfect system of justice, the perfect agricultural policy, the perfect economic policy and the perfect healthy diet.
Yeah I was aware that corporations are defined as people, it's completely absurd and twisted.

What you're saying makes some sense, I'm not totally discounting it. Ok so in the Sanatana Dharma ("Hinduism") time is considered to be cyclical, there is the Satya Yuga ("Golden Age"), Treta Yuga, Dvapara Yuga and finally Kali Yuga, the Dark Age which we are in. At such times everything is inverted, "kings become robbers", it's an "age of quarrel and strife". This is a very bad situation, however at the same this is simply what Kali Yuga is like, the things which are appearing at the moment are symptoms of Kali Yuga.

Now Prabhupada for example says that if everyone chants Hare Krishna Maha Mantra then the world would be free from the symptoms of Kali Yuga. I personally believe that if such a thing were to happen, this would be to some extent a solution, just as the things you're proposing could potentially be. But nonetheless we are in Kali Yuga, and to actually stop the symptoms of Kali Yuga from appearing is basically impossible on the scale of nations or the world. The only solution is Kalki Avatar (the Madhi, the Second Coming), arriving to restore justice and bring in the Satya Yuga again.

I just finished a book called "The Transcendent Unity of Religions" by Frithjof Schuon. It goes into the whole thing about Esoteric and Exoteric religions. The Exoteric would be what you call "organised religion". From Schuon's perspective, this exists in order to give some kind of basic spiritual orientation to people who are incapable of grasping the deeper Esoteric truths. In a sense it is helping humanity by doing so, but also it is not only a dilution of the Esoteric truths but also (and more and more as the situation on this planet degenerates) opposes the deeper truths (and I would say even persecutes those who grasp them). The book has a very interesting analysis of the Christian thing and the mission of Christ in particular. Perhaps you would like it.

Anyway, I am quite confident that I am not sowing division. God has many Names, Krishna or Christos, they are ONE.
 

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Fascism is a reaction to nationalism. It's funny how I was going to bring up the industrial revolution yesterday, and now here we are. With me trying to find support for an argument towards emergent dualism and ending up back at the industrial revolution. My point is people en masse would have never thought, or been aware of the national scale without certain technological advancements.

I consider technological advancements that increased the standards of life to be an inevitability. It's just math, or more accurately described as the law of large numbers. Imperialism may have sped along, or slowed down the eventual outcome. Either way, fascism, and nationalism do a sort of weird counteracting act on each other. Which basically is what started World War 1.

To be clear I'm not going all hard determinism here, it's just that outcomes that are mechanical by nature are predictable in large numbers. It doesn't mean people don't have souls or spirits. It just means the device that carries our soul/mind is subject to mechanical laws.
 

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Fascism is a reaction to nationalism. It's funny how I was going to bring up the industrial revolution yesterday, and now here we are. With me trying to find support for an argument towards emergent dualism and ending up back at the industrial revolution. My point is people en masse would have never thought, or been aware of the national scale without certain technological advancements.

I consider technological advancements that increased the standards of life to be an inevitability. It's just math, or more accurately described as the law of large numbers. Imperialism may have sped along, or slowed down the eventual outcome. Either way, fascism, and nationalism do a sort of weird counteracting act on each other. Which basically is what started World War 1.

To be clear I'm not going all hard determinism here, it's just that outcomes that are mechanical by nature are predictable in large numbers. It doesn't mean people don't have souls or spirits. It just means the device that carries our soul/mind is subject to mechanical laws.
Marx was deterministic in that he believed that socialism could only develop after a phase of capitalism. His reaction to the revolutions in South America was that they couldn't lead to any kind of socialism because the countries had not passed through the capitalist phase (including industrialization). Sure it's clear enough to see where certain tendencies lead - unrestricted capitalism heading towards authoritarianism in general. Anyway, Marx's ideas were really destructive in a way, because they led to there being a lot of very dogmatic socialists who rejected any other pathway towards a more economically just society, not only in the USSR and China but among Critical Theorists as well.

Fascism is basically reactionary, in fact the most reactionary possible political system, at least in the European countries. In the USA it's less about returning to traditions, just about pure authoritarianism. What's more it's already happening there, just consider the numbers of people the USA has in prison (1/4 of the world's prisoners, more than highly populated and authoritarian China). In either case the tendency has to be resisted, and I generally support whatever groups are engaged in such resistance, they are imperfect and perhaps a little disoriented, but have a heart.
 

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Marx was deterministic in that he believed that socialism could only develop after a phase of capitalism. His reaction to the revolutions in South America was that they couldn't lead to any kind of socialism because the countries had not passed through the capitalist phase (including industrialization). Sure it's clear enough to see where certain tendencies lead - unrestricted capitalism heading towards authoritarianism in general. Anyway, Marx's ideas were really destructive in a way, because they led to there being a lot of very dogmatic socialists who rejected any other pathway towards a more economically just society, not only in the USSR and China but among Critical Theorists as well.

Fascism is basically reactionary, in fact the most reactionary possible political system, at least in the European countries. In the USA it's less about returning to traditions, just about pure authoritarianism. What's more it's already happening there, just consider the numbers of people the USA has in prison (1/4 of the world's prisoners, more than highly populated and authoritarian China). In either case the tendency has to be resisted, and I generally support whatever groups are engaged in such resistance, they are imperfect and perhaps a little disoriented, but have a heart.
Yeah, I'm not much of a Marx buff. Suffice to say I have a socialist arm and a capitalist arm.

History tends to be slanted and the current events regarding pandemics and riots highlight that fact. On every program and newspaper and in history books, we were all told the economy was fine, medical degrees mattered, and crime was under "control". We have even been told systemic racism and gentrification were myths.

It turns out the American approach to jails, and incarceration hasn't really changed much since Imperialism. Sure there were reforms brought on by modernism, and I'll buy some arguments for social transformation. The reality is jails offer a window back in time to the same old punishment rituals that consolidate power to the state.

I'm just wondering if postmodernism will prevail where modernism didn't. Crime and punishment seem to be at the forefront of a type of "conscious-collective" mind. The case can surely be made, people are starting to throw out allegiances to social constructs in favor of a universal methodology.
 

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It's pretty clear to sensible people that vastly enriching a small minority at the expense of many who are forced to live in poverty despite their employers easily being able to pay them enough to live a happy and dignified life is unjust. Like I said, read some books, expand your perspective, try to discover whether the facts justify your opinions before aggressively sharing them everywhere.

Anyway, this thread is about fascism. Of course under a fascist system it is "survival of the fittest", as the author I posted said "the most cynical" who have the power. Not so different to capitalism really, just more overt. Trump seems to have some definite fascistic tendencies, with his populism, the things he said about the protests ("the looting starts, the shooting starts" and threatening to call in the army) are really quite obvious signs of the same kind of authoritarianism found in fascist societies, though he doesn't manifest so much the "traditional" side, at least in the way European fascist leaders did. I guess European history is a lot older.
I would think that if trump really had some definite fascistic tendencies..he would definitely called in the military and started Marshall law...but he didn’t, he’s letting the states figure it out...and they are doing a miserable job.

He wanted to make America great again because he thought he could help the regular people and he did...record low unemployment..showing that it could be done..while the politicians tell us every election cycle that they could help the economy..trump actually did. Idk why no one likes that...helping everyone get work is helping the poor..helping the homeless..helping the middle class. what your’e proposing is actually fascist in which you want to take away peoples ability to make money and have livlihoods that would help them make money to live.
 

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Maybe they do. Maybe they don’t.
Being self sufficient is still a good skill to have
Sure..but if you can’t bug out to any place..what’s the point? Do they really think they’ll be at home if things go bad and can hole up there?
 

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I would think that if trump really had some definite fascistic tendencies..he would definitely called in the military and started Marshall law...but he didn’t, he’s letting the states figure it out...and they are doing a miserable job.

He wanted to make America great again because he thought he could help the regular people and he did...record low unemployment..showing that it could be done..while the politicians tell us every election cycle that they could help the economy..trump actually did. Idk why no one likes that...helping everyone get work is helping the poor..helping the homeless..helping the middle class. what your’e proposing is actually fascist in which you want to take away peoples ability to make money and have livlihoods that would help them make money to live.
Sure except most economic growth in the USA enriches the richest one percent and much less the poor and middle class whose incomes have stagnated for a long time. Obviously things aren't quite at the level of a full on fascist state but there are clear fascistic tendencies, as evidenced by the huge prison population. I mean, the whole "two party system" isn't really a democracy, it's two bad choices.
 

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Sure except most economic growth in the USA enriches the richest one percent and much less the poor and middle class whose incomes have stagnated for a long time. Obviously things aren't quite at the level of a full on fascist state but there are clear fascistic tendencies, as evidenced by the huge prison population. I mean, the whole "two party system" isn't really a democracy, it's two bad choices.
Economic growth enriches everyone. It creates more employment opportunities and more people with dreams of owning their own businesses find that they have a chance to start their business. Its a win/win for everyone. It also helps those already employed in that employers are more likely to give raises.

You got me on the two party choice of no real choices..but we do have a three tiered system designed to try to keep us away from a power grab with its checks and balances.
 

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Economic growth enriches everyone. It creates more employment opportunities and more people with dreams of owning their own businesses find that they have a chance to start their business. Its a win/win for everyone. It also helps those already employed in that employers are more likely to give raises.

You got me on the two party choice of no real choices..but we do have a three tiered system designed to try to keep us away from a power grab with its checks and balances.
That's the capitalist neo-liberal dogma you are spouting again. In fact incomes for most Americans have stagnated and are not growing, the growth generally benefits the richest 1%. Unfortunately wealth does not in reality "trickle down" as the neo-liberal theorists would have us believe, rather it tends to concentrate.
 
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