BTS discussion thread

[kukitae]

http://instagr.am/p/BnSs1RuHDJq/
Emotion shifting. Suga had it often, I forgot to copy the links everytime I found them but here is one. It may look normal for some people but this is just a bit much for me

 

[kukitae]

I just remembered...they were in my dream last night where I met them at the airport through their manager but he was western, and we talked but then they left without saying goodbye and I was sad hahahaha, (I don’t think this has any symbolic significance) i did wake up feeling disturbed though, eery vibes from them all cuz they didn’t seen like themselves...very lifeless

What are your thoughts on this? If i took the Priest’s analysis to heart then I would also think nothing was wrong with idol but he has a point...they don’t say in the song explicitly titled ‘IDOL’ to worship them,, considering their fame and position rn this was an opportunity for that right? But they didn’t...little things like that make me doubt the occult thing a lot...
But I wonder how the priest would react to BST mv lol and if he says nothing about THAT then we know he isn’t very credible...

yeah haha should we ask them to react to BST?

 

[kukitae]

What am I supposed to be looking at ?

Sorry, I edited the caption lol your question sounds funny to me I can't stop laughing xDDDD

 

[Hopeful]

http://instagr.am/p/BnSs1RuHDJq/
Emotion shifting. Suga had it often, I forgot to copy the links everytime I found them but here is one. It may look normal for some people but this is just a bit much for me

.. If i was in place of him i would have done the same..
He thought he was holding the mic and tried to say something but then he realized he wasn't holding one.. Hence that confused face and head scratching .

 

[Arcadia]

I didn’t say Tae was evil, I said he represented the character of Lucifer in the Bst mv, also I’m very aware of how the industry works. Lol how am i blinded by it if I’m on this forum in the first place? Honestly if the last few years including the HYYH trilogy was simply about the idol industry...then yes it is shallow. What more to it? So what? It’s not like they’re doing anything about it...and wouldn’t they just come outright and criticise the industry then? I definitely think the industry has major faults and I’m not diminishing the boys or any other idols struggles. But we clearly disagree on theories and I personally think yours lacks substance lol - I think there is more to their Mv’s then just “fighting against the kpop ideal.” Even from a stand point of just about MV theories,.. there’s much more substantial ones out there,, also this forum isn’t to debate the meaning of their Mvs...if the point of your comment is to say, “they aren’t in a cult (which I don’t even know is true) it’s more like their mv’s are about this...” then I can understand the relevancy. But this forum is also not just discussing mv’s

LOL okay... why aren't they outright criticising the industry - what do you think IDOL is about?

Also, I know that the music vids have a lot more substance to them, what I am talking about is their underlying theme that has been constant since debut.

For the record, I do not believe that they are in any form of cult.

I have also skimmed through this forum and am quite aware about what is being discussed in here and frankly I find it quite disturbing. To think that some people would rather believe that demonic forces, blood sacrifices and sex rituals are a more likely scenario to the boys success than talent, hard work and determination is appalling.

I've seen posts where innocent, obviously religious kids have been told things that are completely unsubstantiated but presented to them as facts, then when questioned saying its just theory. Please be aware of what is being said, it could be quite damaging, not only to the recipient but to the boys as well. Just think if someone unstable was to come across this forum and took the messages here to heart and decided to do something about it. How would the members here feel knowing that their theories were responsible? I am not saying that it is you in particular, just stuff I've seen on the forum in general. Frankly, I keep getting Salem Witch hunt vibes and we all know how that ended.

Just a side note...keep in mind that throughout all of history, every single civilisation absolutely believed that their gods were the true gods. Every single one of them from the Egyptians, to the Greeks and Romans, Aztecs, Assyrians, Indians etc… All of them, throughout time ...and every civilization after them scoffed at their apparent stupidity. Now we scoff at them.

What makes us think that we are any different to them?

 

[kukitae]

.. If i was in place of him i would have done the same..
He thought he was holding the mic and tried to say something but then he realized he wasn't holding one.. Hence that confused face and head scratching .

Oh I see! Thank you for make it clear!

 

[kukitae]

Hahahaha that’s okay XD ps your dp always makes me do a double take HAHA

I'm lovin' it when the dp just finally works *smirk*

 

[Arcadia]

No I definitely agree with most of what you have said here,, it can be very damaging to the boys and even someone’s psyche by reading content like this...I know I was disturbed and yet fixated on this when i first read all of this too. So I really agree with you there. Some comments made are a bit...much... and this thread should all be taken with a grain of salt. Of course the boys work extremely (if not over the top, too much) hard and are very talented and they definitely have come along way. I don’t think their success is all down to “sacrifices and being a part of an occult” - it’s definitely down to the boys and their music and story. At this point I do think the fandom has gone overboard and toxic (their obsession with numbers and crying and screaming...it’s all too much.) that’s very creepy behaviour and I can see where some comments about how music affects you etc can be the reason but I’ve gone off tangent here lol. I get what you mean by underlying message and I’m not saying it’s /not/ that i just think there’s MORE but I do think this forum can be toxic too if you let it get to your head

Also about Idol: I don’t see how they are outright criticisng the k idol music industry, if anything they’re saying they’re proud to be an idol...the song has a completely different meaning...I feel like you’re just trying to make their content work to fit your theory. I also personally think the lyrics are pretty weak. I think it could have been deeper but eh whatever, since the Minaj collab I’ve been pretty disappointed but again that was Namjoon’s idea so idk what to think really about anything haha

I also don’t get the relevency of your brief history lesson nor the point of it - what do you mean?

I'm really glad that you agree with me on the important points. Also, my history lesson wasn't directed at you per se, I just think that there are some people on here that need to hear it.

Let me get back to you on IDOL. There are a few points I want to make on it but I am pressed for time right now.


IDOL thoughts…

Keep in mind, when I talk about the industry, I include the fan culture as part of it, not just the idol creation/promotion process but also what the industry has conditioned the fans to expect.

A little background first because it is relevant.

Fake Love, in my opinion, was about the struggles of becoming/living as an idol and the masks that idols have to wear, firstly to show only the perfectly polished image that the fans are conditioned to expect and secondly as a form of self protection against the hate. At the end of the day, they can look at themselves in the mirror and say that the hate, lies, innuendo, assumptions and vile comments are directed at RM/V/SUGA/JK/JHOPE rather than at Namjoon/Taehyung/Yoongi/Jungkook/Hoseok etc because after all these boys are actual living, breathing human beings with feelings, families, friends and not some fictional, emotionless, lifeless anime characters that only exist on your screens.

Fake love set the tone, talking about how the boys are being treating like puppets for your amusement rather than actual people. Tae is surrounded by flashing screens, Jimin is trapped in his own self doubt, RM doesn’t recognise himself anymore, Hobi craves the sweetness of the attention but is also drowning in it, YG has had his creativity stifled. JK flashing his abs is an integral part of the choreography showing how even the youngest member is overly sexualised by the fans…

The concept pics for ANSWER are a continuation of this message.
The boys in the red boxes surrounded by cameras and eyes.
The pics torn down the middle showing their duality - who they are as opposed to what the fans want to see.
The snow globes depicting how they are just pretty objects to have on display
The playground pics to depict how Idols are trained from a young age and miss out on a lot of their childhood

All very confronting stuff that some fans just refused to see.

IDOL itself is a diss track.
Tae’s hair is two different colours symbolising the duality discussed above.
He is shown between two unicorns, mythical creatures as he is often referred to as CGV and people question if he is actually real.
His glasses and clothing are a direct slap in the face to people who criticised him for his choices.
The same goes for RM and the filters.
There is the blatant pushing past the masses in reference to airport mobbing.
They say that they don’t care what label you throw at them, they are proud to be themselves because they have always been genuine and have creative freedom unlike some others in the industry.
The call out the haters telling them to mind their own business and that their opinions won’t devalue their self worth.
There are a lot of Korean references which I am not qualified to talk about, but the guy in this video is:

Even the fact that the MV is loud and gaudy and doesn’t actually match with the lyrics is showing the duality of the industry.

And the most blatant one that people seem to ignore is the SHIP on the table in the opening and closing sequences which, in my opinion, is calling out all the fans that continually try to force their imaginary ships on them. I think this is highlighted by Tae’s recent selca for JK’s birthday where he chose to show a pic of a young JK with the caption that he misses these times. Times when he could just hang out with his baby brother without everyone trying to sexualise everything they do.

There is a lot more but this post is already really long.

 

[wow]

http://instagr.am/p/BnSs1RuHDJq/
Emotion shifting. Suga had it often, I forgot to copy the links everytime I found them but here is one. It may look normal for some people but this is just a bit much for me

LMAO me when i received a test and got a bad grade

 

[Hopeful]

I still don't get it why army believes that THEY WRITE THEIR OWN SONGS.. If you think RM AND SUGA only = beetees for you.. Then yeah you're right they write their own songs..

Who wrote singularity for V =Rm
Who wrote serendipity for jamal =RM
Who produced euphoria for k00k =RM..

we are well aware they don't write their songs.. It's either some producers or djs or Rm in the end...
Suga made FL.. But b1gh1t changed his FL to something really different from what he produced ..
So NO.. they don't write their own songs..

 

[Hopeful]

Answer = I'm the one i should love.. // you can't stop me loving myself .. // i have finally started to love myself..

But..

RM said in his vlive = this is not only the right answer but can also be the wrong answer .. Hence a conclusion ..
Leader of the crew hasn't reached a conclusion rather an open ending it is.. Because they do know they have been called narcissists a lot..

 

[deniiiiXD]

I just remembered...they were in my dream last night where I met them at the airport through their manager but he was western, and we talked but then they left without saying goodbye and I was sad hahahaha, (I don’t think this has any symbolic significance) i did wake up feeling disturbed though, eery vibes from them all cuz they didn’t seen like themselves...very lifeless

What are your thoughts on this? If i took the Priest’s analysis to heart then I would also think nothing was wrong with idol but he has a point...they don’t say in the song explicitly titled ‘IDOL’ to worship them,, considering their fame and position rn this was an opportunity for that right? But they didn’t...little things like that make me doubt the occult thing a lot...
But I wonder how the priest would react to BST mv lol and if he says nothing about THAT then we know he isn’t very credible...

A priest in general doesn't know much about occultism. They know evil exists in this world but they also know the main purpose in life is to save their soul and avoid the evil. They know more about what's good than about what's bad.
I believe he knows satan is behind the music industry but he also knows that teenagers will not understand that that easily so he focused mostly on the message of the song.
Anyway no song will ever show its evil on the surface. The devil works the same way. He prefers to fool you believe something bad is good bc that's the best way to gain you.

 

[deniiiiXD]

Guys what do i do about my social media accs? Like do i unfollow fan accs on tumblr, delete twt? My insta explore feed is just all bts...I wondered if its fine to still just follow along with them with all of that^ but I am keeping my distance now?

I personally just unfollowed the persons that might annoy me with their posts. On twitter there are indeed many but I used an app to help me unfollow them all with a click XD
I also deleted my youtube history

 

[wow]

Guys I just remembered I wrote this note...(this was before I even read into anything here or elsewhere) I noticed how off Jimin looked at bbmas last year and then he always looked so sad...idk how to pinpoint it, but just so...delicate

there is nothing new about this, but yes, he is now still looks really sad and so is the rest of the members

 

[wow]

he is pointing up and that ring has the color red and it literally spelled 'evol'

lmao b*tch byeee

 

[강 수연]

http://instagr.am/p/BnSs1RuHDJq/
Emotion shifting. Suga had it often, I forgot to copy the links everytime I found them but here is one. It may look normal for some people but this is just a bit much for me

Yoongi sudden behaviour reminded me of 마지막 'The Last' lyrics..

지우고픈 그때. 그래 기억 조차 나지 않는 어는 공연 하는 날.
' That time I want to erase. Yeah, that day of performance that I can't even remember. '

 

[wow]

It's love, it's just mirrored

we all know that, its just 'love' backwards is 'evol' or 'evil', same with 'loved', backwards is 'devol' or 'devil' , we know satanists likes everything to be reversed, and he mirrored his selfie, i think its not a coincidence at all

 

[wow]

Yoongi sudden behaviour reminded me of 마지막 'The Last' lyrics..

지우고픈 그때. 그래 기억 조차 나지 않는 어는 공연 하는 날.
' That time I want to erase. Yeah, that day of performance that I can't even remember. '

hi there, are you from korea?

 

[Hopeful]

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he is pointing up and that ring has the color red and it literally spelled 'evol'

lmao b*tch byeee

Okay this clears now that why some army were changing the direction of this picture.. ... To make the word LOVE.. Not EVOL..

And jamal already mirrored his image YMRA = ARMY..

and J00n also mirrored his Vlive This time..
They just like to play the backwards card after comebacks.. Maybe to hint to listen to their songs backwards or something ( again a mere assumption a mere theory)

 

[강 수연]

hi there, are you from korea?

No, I'm not Korean