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I’ve been posting in the thread for a few days and have been on the boards in general for a few months. Check back and you’ll see.
Stop trying to bully me off the boards. I’ve had interesting, polite and respectful discussion with people.
Stop telling people not to engage with me.
Nobody is bullying u to leave, however some people may be telling u to leave because u dont understand the subjects spoken about and seem to outright reject them. Pls refer to my message above that starts with ur name Hon33. U see if u understood the subjects u wouldnt maybe ask the questions u do or be so lost and confused as to why people say what they say here
 

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I haven’t seen that devil tattoo either before.

I’ve noticed in the last selfies he posted that he looked weirder and weirder by every each of them.

He almost looks like Jimin whose face is botched. It seems like all his(Jungkook) features have been made smaller and smoother to make him more effeminate.
For a men his age to suddenly get tattoos and look like a girl...

His tattoos are ugly and badly done. The two tattoo-girls-girlfriends had one of the worst tattoo job done. Both of them. Initially I thought they were fooling around. It’s like they made a joke out of their bodies.
Jungkook’s doesn’t look much differently.

Difference :
I saw this video and remember something. I saw some "run" episodes and notice the way they treat V and Jk. You guys noticed that everytime V does something, Jk goes and do the same thing?
They're always saying how better at everything Jk is... and they sometimes are mocking the genderless dude... idk is kinda humilliating trying to prove that you are good too. (Im not defending V, is just odd and akward to watch).
 

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This is the last I’m going to say about this. Japan removed compulsory vaccination for measles and rubella. They do offer single vaccines so the programme has not stopped altogether. The primary was related to the mumps aspect if the vaccine.
Since 2015, there has been an increase in measles outbreaks and 94 children have died.
Parents can pay for the vaccine but why would they with stats like this?

"The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions."


And how about this:

"The Japanese government realised there was a problem with MMR soon after its introduction in April 1989 when vaccination was compulsory. Parents who refused had to pay a small fine.

An analysis of vaccinations over a three-month period showed one in every 900 children was experiencing problems. This was over 2,000 times higher than the expected rate of one child in every 100,000 to 200,000.

The ministry switched to another MMR vaccine in October 1991 but the incidence was still high with one in 1,755 children affected. No separate record has been kept of claims involving autism.

Tests on the spinal fluid of 125 children affected were carried out to see if the vaccine had got into the children's nervous systems. They found one confirmed case and two further suspected cases.

In 1993, after a public outcry fuelled by worries over the flu vaccine, the government dropped the requirement for children to be vaccinated against measles or rubella.

Dr Hiroki Nakatani, director of the Infectious Disease Division at Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare said that giving individual vaccines cost twice as much as MMR 'but we believe it is worth it'."

Read for yourself here:


Modern vaccines can be deadly. Anyone who thinks otherwise or who just blindly trusts ANY governmental body connected to Big Pharma (which is all of them) is either willfully uninformed or just plain stupid. I'm sorry, there's no reason in 2020 for anyone to think vaccinations are a good thing because they are not.
 

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Yes, I've noticed the same too. Jungkook it's a monkey see, monkey do. He has almost no neurons in his head so he mostly copies Taehyung. I believe I posted something at some point - Taehyung gets into Photography, Jungkook as well, upgrading to directing videos; Taehyung starts painting, Jungkook even more. Whatever Taehyung is doing, Jungkook is copying and I have to give him credit for his ambition because he always made Taehyung look small next to him. I cannot but respect Jungkook for that. He excels with his copying, Taehyung could feel motivated, but no.
In his last live with the song - Jungkook learned the English text. Taehyung read it and mumbled from a piece of paper.
So, from my perspective I have to give a hats off to Jungkook.
wow I didn't know about the photography thing, at first I thought it was about they being like brothers and kinda an inspiration for each other.
 
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@Hon33 Yeah, toxic masculinity is an issue when people start labelling people “gay” when they express certain emotions, but showing venerability as a male is different to acting/becoming feminine.

Their point with BTS is that they didn’t start as feminine males. They moulded themselves to fit the criteria. There are a lot of none LGBT people that support LGBT, you don’t have to go to the extremes BTS have.

No one really know what gender equality and equal rights stands for these days. It means different things to different people. Through sites like these though we know why it's meaning is blurred. No one is forcing you to believe any of it, you're just spending your time with people who have different views than you.
Yes I actually understand much more now especially after Boti's explanation.

The fact that BTS were so manly and normal in the beginning and to see what they are now to me is alarming. And maybe they ARE just pandering to the satanic elitists sick ideologies. I STILL dont get how Jimin went from being manly to literally being feminine In all ways even mannerisms without having some sort of alternate personality that is switched on. I guess I cant understand it because I am a female, and its like going away for a month and someone telling me that from now on I will act manly in every way, and then releasing me. I obviously would never be able to do that convincingly. So how does Jimin change his entire persona and have it look natural without someone having programmed that in

I get how BTS is getting famous then because the gay agenda behind the scenes as well I know is a real thing.

There is going to be an entire generation of confused, gay, gender dysphoric immoral and misguided adults due to what the now young generation is accustomed to. Its quite scary. A generation of freaks actually
 
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I am totally with you, this thread is about sharing information, chat is different.
U should try going to kpop illuminati and read from the beginning . It will teach u alot. Ppl have worked hard to provide seriously great information. I skipped past alot of just jonghyun chatting but really there is great info which u can go and do research on, because u maybe not familiar with certain subjects as I mentioned before
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whoever told her that was me. And it seems the "juvenile" word offended her to the very core...oh well
No need to fight because im leaving this place anyways.

All my friends here left, and the recent discussions are basically fangirl central with comments like:

"guys Im so in love with TAE please help me"
"jimin is the most beautiful man in this world....apart from my children".....:eek::D

lol this is not the type of conversation I find interesting. so there is no more reason to stay.
Good luck to the users who dont come here to fangril about looks: Halley, Boti and Mimis.
See u later.
People come here because they're trying to get rid of their obsession, not because they don't feel love for BTS anymore (unless in their particular case, they don't). Quite the opposite. At least in my case, I love them. I don't want to be obsessed with them, though. I know something is wrong but at least in my case, I don't want to bash BTS necessarily as my obsession is grounded and based in myself. No one forced me to become obsessed with stupid Kpop group.

I find information here on this thread from informed posters that help me understand a lot of what is behind BTS's worldwide appeal and this helps to reduce their hold immeasurably. So yeah, some of us will probably always love BTS and K-pop but we can find a balance. No one is trying to turn this thread into a fan site. Not at all. I personally would just like all posts here to be accepted, I guess. I don't like some jackass calling someone else juvenile because they're trying to make a point. People should feel free to say that they're very much in love and they're trying to get out. That's why they're here! If you don't like the post, don't upvote it. Just go read the next one. That's easier said than done, I know, especially for me as I have a bit of temper.

P.S. BTS members are beautiful – so what. Kpop idols are beautiful. I'm not ever going to say they're not but anyone else has the right to say they're butt ugly, if they want. I don't care. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For me, Jimin and V are the most beautiful things on this planet sorry not sorry.
 
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omg, I totally understand how you feel.
I also have experience with them. I know a gay friend. One time, I went to their meeting to observe and understand them. Let me tell you this, they hate each other sooooooooooooooooooooooo much, there is not enough "o" to describe the hate I observe.
They always argue and bully each other. Believe me, most of the hate crimes are happening in Lg*t communities. As you said, sub gay men hate masculine lesbians to the core!!! they always criticize them and mocking with them and act like they are the superior one for having both The D and the A. I was like what about freedom of expression and tolerance? they don't even understand what they are defending. They always criticize people's body, gossip and yell each other. They are the biggest bullies. They didn't do anything to me since they don't know me well and came with my friend and he is well known in there but they also judgmental towards straights too.
U know what, you are making me think now.

I worked with two gay guys and they were the meanest, nastiest, most condescending, mocking people I have ever met. As soon as someone turned their backs they were talking shit about that person. They laughed at everyone behind their backs, and were just horrible. One of these guys is the same person who told me being gay is wrong. Wtf!?!?!

I would not generalize that every single gay man out there is like this ofcourse but u just got me thinking.

I have family members who are gay(but are very tortured by the fact that they are, so its sad to see)
But the gay world seems like a horrible place, yikes!
 

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Hello hello!

Well I just wanted to state that wasn’t juvenile in my opinion that is all.

& it’s okay if you mock me I’m not shy to say that I’ve discovered BTS and started to like them but I also am very informed about the elite and the satanic agenda and that’s why I’m here, not to fangirl, but to be at a place with people who actually understand because most of the world doesn’t. I’m also trying to break away from my adoration for them, so the judgment of whoever seems to on those who “like” BTS is very uncalled for. I didn’t come here to argue with anyone, on the contrary, but I don’t know why I’m seeing so much drama? And now some is going towards me like whaaaaaat¡?

We all struggle with things, and some people one of the things being is trying to break away from their “obsession” with BTS because they AGREE with what we’ve talked about in this thread. There is absolutely no need for anger or judgment or anything of the sort.
Exactly. People are here to get some perspective. There's help here for the obsessed from a lot of commenters. There are people here who are very "anti" for want of a better term. I say go for it. Say what you want to say because someone is going to find value in it, no matter what it is, whether it's anger, mad love, revulsion, etc. This is one of the last places we can even talk openly about things like the gay agenda, illuminati, satanism, etc.
 

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Is this that much bother you ? lol you are suffering, can you stop being a salty moron who disrespectful to people but still playing the victim? I am not even talking about you girl, stop it already.
You are the biggest instigator/shit disturber here and one of only a couple of people willing to call others names on this thread. Who's the moron?
 

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A lot of the pressures that young men or even middle-aged men face in the world today, is to be masculine. It’s destroying them.
It’s good for young men and young women to see that men don’t have to be only “masculine”.
This morning, Wayv did an online concert live. When they had live interaction with the fans, someone spoke to him about home and Coronavirus etc and he cried. Like he reallly cried. There’s nothing wrong with that. He probably hasn’t been home now for several months, given that he’s from Hong Kong and he’s probably worried about his family etc. He’s only 20/21. Why wouldn’t it be okay to show your weakness and cry.
I admire that he can do it.
I know you don’t like me because I disagree. However, you should at least consider that artists like BTS are trying to promote gender equality and equal rights, not because They have been programmed to be gay. It’s because young men, all over the world struggle with their identities and keep their emotions hidden.
In the western world for sure, men aren’t supposed to have emotions or care about their friends etc. That’s why mental health issues are so prevalent in young males.
I know you dint believe me and think I’m brain washed. I’m really not. I’m offering an alternative perspective and it would be nice if you could listen without attacking me.
I’ve tried really hard to see it from your point of view and I’m trying to be respectful.
They're so young still and they should definitely not keep their emotions hidden. But they're being made to appear more feminine as time goes by and that's not good for males. You can have gender equality without becoming the other gender which has, in my opinion, gone way too far already. Aside from BTS who are not extreme yet, G-Dragon is probably the most obvious example in this respect. Look what has happened with him, just in clothing alone.
 

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you are the moron my friend with shity attitude. Since my thoughts already supported and understand by others. I have already prove my point :D:D you can continue talk shit about me and can have a hysteria crisis all the way you want. I really don't care about you and your bullsh*t anymore. :p
Too many emoji's, halley. I thought that was juvenile? And it's "shitty". Two t's. Your thoughts may be understood by others but some of us have lived long enough to know your kind. I'm not going to reply to you anymore, either, since it's not worth arguing with someone so manipulative as to insult others, start a fight they can't finish, and then claim everyone else is hysterical or over-reactive. The only hysterical thing is how hysterically funny your exit is from the issue. I hope you grow up and learn from it at least. You and I are the only ones left in this proxy war but it's over and good riddance to you.
 

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I completely understand what the Bible says about homosexuality. However...
...unless someone tells you they are gay, you have absolutely no right to assume they are gay, just because they act in a less masculine way than you want them to. Moreover, even if they do tell you they are gay, you can think what you like but you have no right to judge them - especially if that person doesn’t ascribe to the same religion as you.
Now I understand that maybe it’s a little different in the Muslim faith maybe, because Islam is considered the one true faith that every one is born into - if I’ve got that wrong, I’m sorry. However, the reality is that not everyone feels that way. If a gay person isn’t Muslim or Christian or whatever, then to them what God thinks doesn’t matter. If they are Muslim or Christian or whatever, then they have to reconcile themselves with their God and no one else.
Being gay is not a choice. I know people who have tried to deny their sexuality for years. They have got married, they have had children but none of those things change who they are. They have destroyed their lives, their partners’ lives and their childrens lives because they have felt pressured by society to be straight. It didn’t work.
When I was younger, my religious convictions would have led me to believe believe people shouldn’t be homosexual. I was young and I didn’t understand that it wasn’t that simple. Now, I don’t assume I have the answers. I won’t tell a person what to do and I won’t judge them for doing it. I accept them for who they are and I leave their relationship with God to them.
Being gay, for the majority, is not a choice. It’s not satanic. It doesn’t make someone a bad person. It’s not up to us to decide who is gay based on their actions and it’s not up to us to judge someone who is gay.
Yes there will be some gay Kpop idols -statistics alone will prove that. Unless they choose to reveal it, no one should speculate about who they are - especially not because they are affectionate with one another. What is the worst thing that will happen to you if one of them says they are gay? Are they asking you to become gay because they are?
We should definitely not assume someone's sexual preference but we do sometimes, involuntarily. LGBT doesn't ask anyone to become gay because they are, but it does ask that children in schools be taught about homosexuality. So it is opening the door to very young minds. Adults can make their own decisions, but I would draw the line there.

As to whether or not homosexuality is satanic, that would lie absolutely within the boundaries of religion. For Christians as we know, we believe it is a sin and sin is not from God. For people who are gay and don't want to be, however, I found this recently:

 

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Interesting that you pick out Kai. He does seem like a really nice guy but very typically male.
I’m not a BTS fan, so I can’t comment on them much.
Just let me check - you think that homosexuals are also paedophiles?
I really am trying really hard to get my head around all the things people say here. I don’t know if it’s because I’m from another country because I don’t know where you’re from.
You do understand the enormity of what you are saying? Maybe it’s because I live in a culture which is on the whole, very transparent - I mean I know you’ll think the UK isn’t transparent but it really is compared to a lot of countries.
I would really love to know why you think Kpop is pushing a satanic agenda. What are they gaining from it?
For why Kpop and the entire music industry is pushing a satanic agenda, you would have to look at the spiritual side of things. For atheists, agnostics, non-People of the Book in general, this all sounds crazy. But once you look into it, it will all make sense. Boti is right. Here is a good place to read about it, maybe the best.
 
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Exactly. People are here to get some perspective. There's help here for the obsessed from a lot of commenters. There are people here who are very "anti" for want of a better term. I say go for it. Say what you want to say because someone is going to find value in it, no matter what it is, whether it's anger, mad love, revulsion, etc. This is one of the last places we can even talk openly about things like the gay agenda, illuminati, satanism, etc.
I think its the only place! Unless anybody can point me in the direction of where one can openly speak about these things without getting aassassinated or accused of needing a tin foil hat

Ppl do not want to hear ANY THING about these things, not the satanic agenda not the truth about gays, not the truth about bts not about vaccines nothing. Its depressing out there. And lonely
 

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I’ve already told you that I’m not a fan of BTS, so I’m not here to fan girl. I couldn’t even tell you all their names, never mind which one of them is which.
I don’t have difficulty assimilating anything.
I am interested in trying to understand why you see things the way you do. We clearly come from different cultures but we are interested in a similar thing.
I suppose when I started to read these threads, I was shocked. I wanted to be sure that the things my daughter liked weren’t harmful. That was balanced against the fact that I have heard all these things about the entertainment industry - and particular music - since I was a teenager and I have never found any truth in it.
There is no superstition or fear in my religion. I don’t have any preconceived ideas about anyone.
I grew up in a time when musicians in my own country pushed the boundaries of what was acceptable. Until just a few weeks ago, my country was the only part of the UK were abortion and gay marriage was illegal because people here resisted it so hard.
However, people suffered as a result of the fact that Christian people were forcing a secular society to live to their standards. If I have difficulty assimilating anything, it is the fact that just because I’m Christian I have have to force my beliefs on others and destroy their lives. If they aren’t Christian, then what they do with their life doesn’t matter.
Should abortion be legal in my country. No, I categorically don’t think it should. However if allowing a pregnancy to continue and cause possible physical or mental harm to a child, then maybe it should be allowed. Should gay people be allowed to marry? Well no, I don’t think that’s what God intended so I don’t see why they would even want to marry in church. However, does each partner deserve the right to the legal protection a legal partnership brings? Yes they do.
I might not have held the same views 30 years ago. However, life and experience has taught me that sometimes these decisions are hard to make. These things exist in the world. Someone mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah. These issues existed even then. They are not new issues. They are just issues that your society may not have had to deal with yet.
Thirty-something years, Frankie Goes To Hollywood’s song Relax was banned from television and Radio shows because it talked about homosexuality. Banning it created more hype around it. When I went to school I didn’t know a single person who would admit to being openly gay. That wouldn’t happen now - and it’s not all bad.
It doesn’t matter how wrong you believe homosexuality is, it exists. It has always existed and denying it has caused people harm. It caused hatred and shame and self-loathing. That’s wrong. We weren’t put on earth to hate others.
I’ve looked for your satanic agenda and I’m not finding it. Yep, Satanism exists and it’s evil. However, it doesn’t exist in most of these young idols. While some of their companies might treat their trainees and idols poorly, most don’t. Everything you read is speculation.
I find some of the stuff you say here deeply worrying and I worry about the effect it might have on vulnerable individuals.
If you think that makes me a bad person so be it.
Someone yesterday was posting about imagery of cannibalism in a music video, amongst other things. I’m not trying to single anyone out, but from my side of the world, I can’t even imagine how someone would come up with that.
Do you actually, really believe this stuff or is this all some kind of game you’re playing?
Someone suggested I shouldn’t take it so seriously but here’s the thing - it is serious. You have no idea what harm the things you are saying or doing has on you, other people the reputation of idols and their families and so on. These are real people.
Some of you have said you have kids. What if a few years down the line someone decides to post stuff online saying that you forced your child to take hormones as a child to change their gender? If you wouldn’t like it then don’t say it about someone else’s child.
Being an idol dies not make these people fair game.
The very person who was posting hate here about someone fangirling over BTS has posted identical stuff about Kai today. What is this another arena for “armies” and “exols” to fight. Let’s see who can say the wurst stuff about each other?
Whatever Satanism and occultic practices you think are going on in Kpop, you need to have a good look at yourselves. All this speculation is making some of you rude and impolite - not all of you. It doesn’t make easy reading.
Not a game. It's life and life is hazardous. That's why we have (or had) free speech. You can listen to it or not, but it's no one's right to remove anyone else's right to free speech because they consider it dangerous. Not that you were implying this. But we are adults and we can make up our own minds whether to accept something as true or false. I think you mentioned you're in the UK. In Canada here, we're experiencing a great suppression of our free speech right now. I know that in a very short time, we'll all be herded toward our nanny government's accepted societal positions and narratives so it's important to keep the lines of communication open. Never shut them down. Fight it, people! I don't feel like becoming a handmaid yet (or ever).
 
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