And People Thought Blatant Racism Didn't Exist Anymore

justjess

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Its hard for people to truly look thrmselves in the mirror sometimes and acknowledge things theyd rather not know. I think its impossible really to be a white person in ameriva and not have some lingering racist ideas ssomewhere in the conscious or subconscious.. its just been so ingrained in us on some level for so many years. I hope that by people calling all this shit out and speaking up now atleast that aspect will be diminished for our kids to the point where eventyally - maybe our grandkids it wont be there at all.

Im including myself here fyi
 

mecca

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I just don't get how Darwin became synonymous with racism. Maybe he was an open racist, but I don't see the connection some of you are making.
Because of social darwinism. He was a racist.
There's nothing inherently racist about the theory of natural selection.
Natural selection isn't racist, it's a process. Social darwinism is racist though.
 

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Disney and Tacobell are for-profit institutions but yet Disney makes racist movies and Tacobell comes out with Satanic commercials. Why would they do this when they are possibly alienating certain groups of people from buying or partaking in their products?

Because they are clearly much better at it.
 

Lisa

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I am a mother. I have children. So now that my credentials are out of the way..

Yes we call children little monkies sometimes, yes monkies are common on childrens clothing. However a parent calling their own kid a monley or putting an item of cloghing with a monkey on them is enfirely different then an ad campaign putting this shirt on the only black model it used when other animal shirts were availablr and also being advertised.

Marketing execs and advertiserz arent idiots. They are paid very well to know these types of assocjations and how things will be perceived and what emotions will br stirred up. Its their damn job. It wasnt some innocent oversight. And yes, it was racist.

Dont blame it on the parents either. Thats a real cheap lousy cop out, pass the buck on responsibility. Thats like blaming the poor person for being poor because they accepted low wages whilr ignlring that no one was makkng them a better offer.
Don’t blame it on the parents? Haha! Really? At that kids age, the parents are the ones responsible for his being in the ad. That kid can’t sign any papers agreeing to being a model, his parents have to do that. The company that made the ad campaign isn’t that kids parent, neither can it force him to be in their ad. That’s just common sense Jess....

The parents obviously saw no problem in their son wearing that top and agreed to have him wear it, and be in the ad...that’s the only way one could look at this. Being the kid is black....so, his parents either don’t have a problem, or they hate their own race, if the op is correct.
 

Kung Fu

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The parents obviously saw no problem in their son wearing that top and agreed to have him wear it, and be in the ad...that’s the only way one could look at this. Being the kid is black....so, his parents either don’t have a problem, or they hate their own race, if the op is correct.
Trying using your faculties a little better. The third option, and the most likely one, is that the parents didn't know there kid was going to be wearing a sweater labeling him a monkey or they didn't care it was racist because they wanted the MONEY.
 

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Trying using your faculties a little better. The third option, and the most likely one, is that the parents didn't know there kid was going to be wearing a sweater labeling him a monkey or they didn't care it was racist because they wanted the MONEY.
In your scenario no one cared....
 

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Personally, I don't even shop at H&M already because they are another retailer who outsources for cheap labor. It was a really bad day for me when I decided to start checking labels on all clothes in the stores and they all came from Indonesia, Bangladesh, some other country that I know doesn't get to enjoy the same standard of living I do.

I say if you make clothes that I am going to wear, you should enjoy the same standard of living that I do. I didn't buy many clothes for years and am still struggling to learn to sew and try to find alternatives to buying clothes in most stores. H&M is a store that is commonly found in a mall. I don't shop in the mall for this reason. It is funny to me that this whole situation causes people to admit that they ignore things like this because they are now going to boycott H&M for this ad?

So, in this sense, I think everyone offended by this ad is actually the hypocrite. If someone makes clothes that you wear, they should enjoy the same standard of living that you get to enjoy.

Either way, this discussion has successfully changed this little, tiny boy's life forevermore. When this little, tiny, innocent child grows up, he will know that this is what people said about an ad he was in as a child. Instead of creating change, we have created a world where nothing has changed with this discussion. We are giving an innocent child the burden of coming to terms with this experience as he gets older and it will cause him to have questions about his mother and the world around him that he would not have had otherwise.

Instead of creating a world where children are equal. Children who hear about this in their homes will learn to be suspcious of the other children they go to school with. Instead of giving them the freedom to create a new world where we can move on from the past, we have enslaved them to the past and are telling them that things can't change no matter how much people tell you they can.

Even when you consider all the factors of history and the presence of racism that remains in the world today. Even if you consider the marketing team making all kinds of money that should have recognized something like this. There were still hundreds of people involved in releasing this ad. There were photographers, make-up artists, stylists, assistants, etc; and all of these people might have participated in this because they didn't see it as a problem. He is young beautiful child and children like to play. It is absolutely adorable and innocent to picture a little boy playing on a jungle gym like a monkey and we should be creating a world where that is what something like this means.

I think people are very selfish in putting a little innocent boy at the center of this discussion. It will shape his life and it will further divide the rest of us and make it impossible for us to keep moving forward.
 

Kung Fu

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Personally, I don't even shop at H&M already because they are another retailer who outsources for cheap labor. It was a really bad day for me when I decided to start checking labels on all clothes in the stores and they all came from Indonesia, Bangladesh, some other country that I know doesn't get to enjoy the same standard of living I do.

I say if you make clothes that I am going to wear, you should enjoy the same standard of living that I do. I didn't buy many clothes for years and am still struggling to learn to sew and try to find alternatives to buying clothes in most stores. H&M is a store that is commonly found in a mall. I don't shop in the mall for this reason. It is funny to me that this whole situation causes people to admit that they ignore things like this because they are now going to boycott H&M for this ad?

So, in this sense, I think everyone offended by this ad is actually the hypocrite. If someone makes clothes that you wear, they should enjoy the same standard of living that you get to enjoy.

Either way, this discussion has successfully changed this little, tiny boy's life forevermore. When this little, tiny, innocent child grows up, he will know that this is what people said about an ad he was in as a child. Instead of creating change, we have created a world where nothing has changed with this discussion. We are giving an innocent child the burden of coming to terms with this experience as he gets older and it will cause him to have questions about his mother and the world around him that he would not have had otherwise.

Instead of creating a world where children are equal. Children who hear about this in their homes will learn to be suspcious of the other children they go to school with. Instead of giving them the freedom to create a new world where we can move on from the past, we have enslaved them to the past and are telling them that things can't change no matter how much people tell you they can.

Even when you consider all the factors of history and the presence of racism that remains in the world today. Even if you consider the marketing team making all kinds of money that should have recognized something like this. There were still hundreds of people involved in releasing this ad. There were photographers, make-up artists, stylists, assistants, etc; and all of these people might have participated in this because they didn't see it as a problem. He is young beautiful child and children like to play. It is absolutely adorable and innocent to picture a little boy playing on a jungle gym like a monkey and we should be creating a world where that is what something like this means.

I think people are very selfish in putting a little innocent boy at the center of this discussion. It will shape his life and it will further divide the rest of us and make it impossible for us to keep moving forward.
LOL! You see folks this is the kind of nonsense people write when they try to backtrack and hide their racism. They write long winded posts that have nothing to do with the original post and try to blame others, deflect, and or change the topic.
 

Lisa

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Personally, I don't even shop at H&M already because they are another retailer who outsources for cheap labor. It was a really bad day for me when I decided to start checking labels on all clothes in the stores and they all came from Indonesia, Bangladesh, some other country that I know doesn't get to enjoy the same standard of living I do.

I say if you make clothes that I am going to wear, you should enjoy the same standard of living that I do. I didn't buy many clothes for years and am still struggling to learn to sew and try to find alternatives to buying clothes in most stores. H&M is a store that is commonly found in a mall. I don't shop in the mall for this reason. It is funny to me that this whole situation causes people to admit that they ignore things like this because they are now going to boycott H&M for this ad?

So, in this sense, I think everyone offended by this ad is actually the hypocrite. If someone makes clothes that you wear, they should enjoy the same standard of living that you get to enjoy.

Either way, this discussion has successfully changed this little, tiny boy's life forevermore. When this little, tiny, innocent child grows up, he will know that this is what people said about an ad he was in as a child. Instead of creating change, we have created a world where nothing has changed with this discussion. We are giving an innocent child the burden of coming to terms with this experience as he gets older and it will cause him to have questions about his mother and the world around him that he would not have had otherwise.

Instead of creating a world where children are equal. Children who hear about this in their homes will learn to be suspcious of the other children they go to school with. Instead of giving them the freedom to create a new world where we can move on from the past, we have enslaved them to the past and are telling them that things can't change no matter how much people tell you they can.

Even when you consider all the factors of history and the presence of racism that remains in the world today. Even if you consider the marketing team making all kinds of money that should have recognized something like this. There were still hundreds of people involved in releasing this ad. There were photographers, make-up artists, stylists, assistants, etc; and all of these people might have participated in this because they didn't see it as a problem. He is young beautiful child and children like to play. It is absolutely adorable and innocent to picture a little boy playing on a jungle gym like a monkey and we should be creating a world where that is what something like this means.

I think people are very selfish in putting a little innocent boy at the center of this discussion. It will shape his life and it will further divide the rest of us and make it impossible for us to keep moving forward.
I used to boycott places to because of this and that, and then found out that I was not going to be able to go shopping anymore...;)

I think some people like to keep people divided with diversions such as this.
 

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Personally, I don't even shop at H&M already because they are another retailer who outsources for cheap labor. It was a really bad day for me when I decided to start checking labels on all clothes in the stores and they all came from Indonesia, Bangladesh, some other country that I know doesn't get to enjoy the same standard of living I do.
I thought you loved capitalism though.
 

Kung Fu

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How your beautiful mind hops about.....you make some of the most fascinating and intelligent connections
Thank you I have a very healthy and logical mind unlike yours ;)

Thanks for the compliment.
 

justjess

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Don’t blame it on the parents? Haha! Really? At that kids age, the parents are the ones responsible for his being in the ad. That kid can’t sign any papers agreeing to being a model, his parents have to do that. The company that made the ad campaign isn’t that kids parent, neither can it force him to be in their ad. That’s just common sense Jess....

The parents obviously saw no problem in their son wearing that top and agreed to have him wear it, and be in the ad...that’s the only way one could look at this. Being the kid is black....so, his parents either don’t have a problem, or they hate their own race, if the op is correct.
As always entirely missing the point..

Try macro vs micro for starters.
 

Lisa

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As always entirely missing the point..

Try macro vs micro for starters.
I’m not missing the point at all...

That company isn’t that kids parents and don’t own that kid...someone let that kid be in the ad campaign..I think those are the people you all should be mad at instead of the company with the ad campaign....
 
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