Palestinian Resistance Launch Major Attack on Israel: What Happened? – LIVE BLOG

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I agree and to add my own theory Israel wanted to implant the same trauma and suffering into their own people. They knew thousands of soldiers would be ambushed, tanks destroyed, etc. by the Resistance and they went in on foot anyways. These permanently scarred Israelis form a new generation to perpetuate the climate of hatred and revenge.
Yeah, some form of trauma would be needed to make the Israeli public accept and even welcome changes to their own society....kinda like what we saw after 9/11. Hence, i segue into this...
FDD is an Israel-centric thinktank so a poll like this would certainly delight the "resident fellows". The logical conclusion to the poll results is that if a Palestinian state cannot be created because of security concerns, what does that say about the future of Lebanon(Hezbollah) and Iran? Surely, there would be 'final solution' in the works to deal with those security threats??

 

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Video is an hour long but for those who prefer text, here's the transcript
Academic Webinar: Public Opinion on Israel and Palestine

This is fascinating because i think it heralds the prospect that changing the "face of the Middle East" henceforth is going to take unconventional means rather than the conventional. "Spreading democracy" or other humanitarian arguments are dead at this point.
Note: Shibley Telhami is the same person hosted in the CFR webinar above

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Israel’s war in Gaza – and Washington’s support for it -- is inflicting serious damage on U.S. standing across the Arab world, according to a representative poll of 16 Arab countries released Thursday by the Arab Center Washington DC.

The results of the poll, which was carried out in cooperation with the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies in Doha, Qatar, should cause some alarm in Washington, according to Shibley Telhami, a professor at the University of Maryland.
“This is a historic moment in some very important ways,” Telhami said at an event presenting the survey findings at the National Press Club on Thursday. “The scale of what we have seen and the role the U.S. has played in this deeply painful crisis has been so large and been perceived to be so large that it’s going to leave an imprint on the consciousness of a generation in the region that is going to outlast this administration and outlast this crisis.”

Respondents believed Washington to be the key component enabling Israel to carry out its war on Gaza, in which more than 27,000 people, mostly women and children, have reportedly been killed to date. Exactly half of the Arab public named “U.S. military and political support” as the most important factor, with an additional 15% saying it was the second most important. The “lack of decisive action” from Arab governments toward Israel, which was the second popular choice, was named by 14% of respondents as the most important factor and by 23% as the second most important.

In another blow to Biden’s policy, which has repeatedly stressed its commitment to the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel since the Gaza War began, large majorities of respondents in each country said they did not consider Washington to be serious about following through. An aggregate average of 68% of respondents said Washington was “not at all serious” about the commitment, while another 13% said Washington was “somewhat unserious.”

Skepticism was particularly high in Jordan, Lebanon, and the West Bank which together house the greatest number of Palestinian refugees in the Arab world, but 77% of Saudi respondents said Washington was either “not at all serious” (62%) or “somewhat unserious” (11%)
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Yeah, some form of trauma would be needed to make the Israeli public accept and even welcome changes to their own society....kinda like what we saw after 9/11. Hence, i segue into this...
FDD is an Israel-centric thinktank so a poll like this would certainly delight the "resident fellows". The logical conclusion to the poll results is that if a Palestinian state cannot be created because of security concerns, what does that say about the future of Lebanon(Hezbollah) and Iran? Surely, there would be 'final solution' in the works to deal with those security threats??

Thank you it's important to keep an eye on these Jewish based think tanks and military strategists. Even before 1948 they had fantasies of eliminating the natives of Palestine yet again they face the same obstacle, now begging the UN to intervene and relocate the ancestral Palestinians to other lands lol. To riff on something @Daze commented: these psychopaths can talk and plan all they want but as is said- God disposes.

Here's another example of their failing. Sinister freak ethno-cult Israel has dreamed of eradicating UNRWA for years yet their recent drummed up claims lack any real proof. Many people see through their agenda. Karly I thought of you when I read this, a good article discussing the true purpose of discrediting UNRWA... it's place as an 80 year old universally recognized mandate of the UN- that whether de-funded or not can't just be erased:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/defunding-unrwa-step-towards-eliminating-palestinians

'Unrwa is the Right of Return'
It is evident for those who follow the discourse in Israel on Unrwa that this move is politically motivated and rooted in an ideology that equates the Palestinian right of return to the destruction of Israel. For them, this war is an opportunity to dismantle Unrwa and, with it, the right of return, once and for all.


The grotesque inhuman formation known as Israel- propped up by the infiltrated governments of the US, Britain, France, Germany, etc. and their billions in advanced weaponry- may be winning the battle but they've already lost the war. Perversion, murder, cruelty and lies oppose the natural order of reality. What's done is darkness is revealed in light. Maybe I'm sentimental but whether it's this generation or another the dead Israeli/British colonialist project as we know it will not be. It may be through the people of earth, the land or elements but there is a God and it's impossible such injustice could perpetuate without repercussions.

I disagree with the way Chris Hedges feeds into liberal tropes like Jan 6th, the hollowhoax or climate change but this was a great piece of his from back in December that I can relate to, ideas we must consider:

THE DEATH OF ISRAEL



All Israel has left is escalating violence, including torture, which accelerates the decline. This wholesale violence works in the short term, as it did in the war waged by the French in Algeria, the Dirty War waged by Argentina’s military dictatorship and during Britain’s conflict in Northern Ireland. But in the long term it is suicidal.

“You might say that the battle of Algiers was won through the use of torture,” the British historian Alistair Horne observed, “but that the war, the Algerian war, was lost.”


...Israel’s unity since the attacks is precarious. It is a negative unity. It is held together by hatred. And even this hatred is not enough to keep protestors from decrying the government’s abandonment of Israeli hostages in Gaza. Hatred is a dangerous political commodity. Once finished with one enemy, those who stoke hatred go in search of another. The Palestinian “human animals,” when eradicated or subdued, will be replaced by Jewish apostates and traitors. The demonized group can never be redeemed or cured. A politics of hatred creates a permanent instability that is exploited by those seeking the destruction of civil society.

Around 470,000 Israelis have left the country since Oct. 7. Within Israel, human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists — Israeli and Palestinian — are attacked as traitors in government-sponsored smear campaigns, placed under state surveillance and subjected to arbitrary arrests. The Israeli educational system is an indoctrination machine for the military.

...Israel is a pariah state. This was publicly on display on Dec. 12 when 153 member states at the U.N. General Assembly voted for a ceasefire, with only 10 — including the U.S. and Israel — opposed and 23 abstaining. Israel’s scorched earth campaign in Gaza means there will be no peace. There will be no two state solution. Apartheid and genocide will define Israel. This presages a long, long conflict, one the Jewish State cannot ultimately win.
 

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A difficult watch, but shows the true impact of genocide. It’s not just killing people, it’s making their lives unbearable to the point of starvation and death.
It is not genocide. That’s called war.

War is an acronym: “We Are Ready”

Imho, Hamas was not ready when they started it. However, Israel will now finish it.
 

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Still attempting to use anti semitism as a term to silence those who speak out. They tear (try to anyway) down one’s reputation, attack their integrity and character.

From Al Jazeera live updates:

US envoy accuses UN special rapporteur of being ‘anti-Semitic’

Michele Taylor, the US permanent representative to the United Nations Human Rights Council, accused the UN’s special rapporteur on Palestine, Francesca Albanese, of having a “history of using anti-Semitic tropes”.
“Her most recent statements justifying, dismissing, & denying the anti-Semitic undertones of Hamas’ October 7 attack are unacceptable & anti-Semitic. We expect more of independent UN experts and condemn all forms of antisemitism,” she wrote on X.
Albanese has been a vocal critic of the Israeli government in her role at the UN. On Monday she was banned from the country for saying the October 7 attacks were a “response to Israel’s oppression”.
Francesca Albanese has a history of using antisemitic tropes. Her most recent statements justifying, dismissing, & denying the antisemitic undertones of Hamas' October 7 attack are unacceptable & antisemitic.
 

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I found this funny. He’s complaining that on dating profiles people have the Palestine flag and he’s interpreted that as an unwillingness or refusal to date Jewish people.

No one cares about your religious title or heritage. When you make your entire existence based on being Jewish, then you’ll take any rejection as being antisemitic. It’s no different to the LGBQT guys who plead ‘anti-insert gender here’ whenever they’re rejected or don’t get their way. Identity politics has caused people to be in a perpetual state of victimhood.

 

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I found this funny. He’s complaining that on dating profiles people have the Palestine flag and he’s interpreted that as an unwillingness or refusal to date Jewish people.

No one cares about your religious title or heritage. When you make your entire existence based on being Jewish, then you’ll take any rejection as being antisemitic. It’s no different to the LGBQT guys who plead ‘anti-insert gender here’ whenever they’re rejected or don’t get their way. Identity politics has caused people to be in a perpetual state of victimhood.

Judging by his profile, he looks like an older porkier man. Maybe that’s why people aren’t responding to you mate; most people on dating apps are much younger than you.
 

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Thank you it's important to keep an eye on these Jewish based think tanks and military strategists. Even before 1948 they had fantasies of eliminating the natives of Palestine yet again they face the same obstacle, now begging the UN to intervene and relocate the ancestral Palestinians to other lands lol. To riff on something @Daze commented: these psychopaths can talk and plan all they want but as is said- God disposes.

Here's another example of their failing. Sinister freak ethno-cult Israel has dreamed of eradicating UNRWA for years yet their recent drummed up claims lack any real proof. Many people see through their agenda. Karly I thought of you when I read this, a good article discussing the true purpose of discrediting UNRWA... it's place as an 80 year old universally recognized mandate of the UN- that whether de-funded or not can't just be erased:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/defunding-unrwa-step-towards-eliminating-palestinians

'Unrwa is the Right of Return'
It is evident for those who follow the discourse in Israel on Unrwa that this move is politically motivated and rooted in an ideology that equates the Palestinian right of return to the destruction of Israel. For them, this war is an opportunity to dismantle Unrwa and, with it, the right of return, once and for all.


The grotesque inhuman formation known as Israel- propped up by the infiltrated governments of the US, Britain, France, Germany, etc. and their billions in advanced weaponry- may be winning the battle but they've already lost the war. Perversion, murder, cruelty and lies oppose the natural order of reality. What's done is darkness is revealed in light. Maybe I'm sentimental but whether it's this generation or another the dead Israeli/British colonialist project as we know it will not be. It may be through the people of earth, the land or elements but there is a God and it's impossible such injustice could perpetuate without repercussions.

I disagree with the way Chris Hedges feeds into liberal tropes like Jan 6th, the hollowhoax or climate change but this was a great piece of his from back in December that I can relate to, ideas we must consider:

THE DEATH OF ISRAEL



All Israel has left is escalating violence, including torture, which accelerates the decline. This wholesale violence works in the short term, as it did in the war waged by the French in Algeria, the Dirty War waged by Argentina’s military dictatorship and during Britain’s conflict in Northern Ireland. But in the long term it is suicidal.

“You might say that the battle of Algiers was won through the use of torture,” the British historian Alistair Horne observed, “but that the war, the Algerian war, was lost.”


...Israel’s unity since the attacks is precarious. It is a negative unity. It is held together by hatred. And even this hatred is not enough to keep protestors from decrying the government’s abandonment of Israeli hostages in Gaza. Hatred is a dangerous political commodity. Once finished with one enemy, those who stoke hatred go in search of another. The Palestinian “human animals,” when eradicated or subdued, will be replaced by Jewish apostates and traitors. The demonized group can never be redeemed or cured. A politics of hatred creates a permanent instability that is exploited by those seeking the destruction of civil society.

Around 470,000 Israelis have left the country since Oct. 7. Within Israel, human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists — Israeli and Palestinian — are attacked as traitors in government-sponsored smear campaigns, placed under state surveillance and subjected to arbitrary arrests. The Israeli educational system is an indoctrination machine for the military.

...Israel is a pariah state. This was publicly on display on Dec. 12 when 153 member states at the U.N. General Assembly voted for a ceasefire, with only 10 — including the U.S. and Israel — opposed and 23 abstaining. Israel’s scorched earth campaign in Gaza means there will be no peace. There will be no two state solution. Apartheid and genocide will define Israel. This presages a long, long conflict, one the Jewish State cannot ultimately win.
Thanks aswell and look forward to dig into those links.

First off, i just want to say that i hate the UN and it's agencies. I don't believe in Tedros (WHO chief) and the concern he espouses for Palestinians now when just over a year ago he wanted us all dead/maimed from covid shots even when Bolsonaro (Brazil's president at the time) confronted him over people dying from the vaccine. Neither was i happy when it was reported that childhood vaccines had been dispatched to Gaza because Israel complained that their soldiers would pick up diseases and spread them around in Israel....to say nothing of how that actually undermines the logic of "vaccination works". Suspect it was, that Israel would let vaccines in but hold up food. Actually, the first thing that popped into my head on hearing the news was mRNA/self-spreading vaccines that would decimate the Palestinian population....perfect plausible deniability on the part of Israel & Co.

That said, if UNRWA is the only way that Palestinians have been getting/can get some sort of basic necessities to live a decent life then who am i to judge or call for it's abolition? I crawl through the DC Israel-centric thinktanks sites for information inorder to get a sense of where all this is going. Those resident fellows are the ones who write policy that gets adopted by the administration and what i found led me to make this assessment.
 

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First off, i just want to say that i hate the UN and it's agencies. I don't believe in Tedros (WHO chief) and the concern he espouses for Palestinians now when just over a year ago he wanted us all dead/maimed from covid shots even when Bolsonaro (Brazil's president at the time) confronted him over people dying from the vaccine. Neither was i happy when it was reported that childhood vaccines had been dispatched to Gaza because Israel complained that their soldiers would pick up diseases and spread them around in Israel....to say nothing of how that actually undermines the logic of "vaccination works". Suspect it was, that Israel would let vaccines in but hold up food. Actually, the first thing that popped into my head on hearing the news was mRNA/self-spreading vaccines that would decimate the Palestinian population....perfect plausible deniability on the part of Israel & Co.
Yes Karlysymon! This!!
 
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