Why is religion so anti-LGBTQ

[Haich]

It should be. As someone who is a person of faith, you might understand my viewpoint about this potentially being an issue of spiritual brokenness that manifests as disordered sexuality. The fact that it's been so widespread regardless of culture, race, creed and time is disturbing to say the least.

That’s a pretty good point actually. ‘Spiritual brokenness’ depending on severity can definitely lead to depravity. In the absence of good (God & spirituality) evil and darkness manifests and grows.

 

[Drifter]

That’s a pretty good point actually. ‘Spiritual brokenness’ depending on severity can definitely lead to depravity. In the absence of good (God & spirituality) evil and darkness manifests and grows.

I'm not sure if you ascribe to the idea of the Nephilim or the "fallen", but I've always thought these kinds of perverse practices were introduced by otherworldly beings. Not that humans aren't perfectly capable of evil and sin themselves but there had to be some kind of introduction to something that departs so much from an obvious design.

 

[Haich]

I'm not sure if you ascribe to the idea of the Nephilim or the "fallen", but I've always thought these kinds of perverse practices were introduced by otherworldly beings. Not that humans aren't perfectly capable of evil and sin themselves but there had to be some kind of introduction to something that departs so much from an obvious design.

Unfortunately this isn’t in the Islamic doctrine but I know it is in Christianity. It’s interesting you say that because in Babylonia, people were introduced to magic as a test by God. He sent two angels to teach the people how to ‘tie knots’ I guess a type of magic.



I’d sway towards the view that some things like magic, were introduced as a test by God. Other sins like murder (Cain & Abel) can be the consequence of humans.

 

[Flarepath]

You're quite homophobic and I see why people like u make people not follow religion.

Even straight atheists don't like gays..

 

[Drifter]

Unfortunately this isn’t in the Islamic doctrine but I know it is in Christianity. It’s interesting you say that because in Babylonia, people were introduced to magic as a test by God. He sent two angels to teach the people how to ‘tie knots’ I guess a type of magic.

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I’d sway towards the view that some things like magic, were introduced as a test by God. Other sins like murder (Cain & Abel) can be the consequence of humans.

Thanks for sharing, it's always interesting to hear different viewpoints and perspectives. I can see that too.

 

[sugarprincessxox]

Doesn't justify the fucking homophobia! Ya absolute weirdo!!

Even straight atheists don't like gays..

 

[Daze]

Are you confusing me with another poster or something? Because absolutely nothing in your response to me makes sense or applies.

If nothing makes sense, when we all know a 5-year-old can understand it. Then why only quote one line from it?

I may be wrong on the Christian assumption, but you yourself say you're homosexual. So this would make you bias.

You can also say, me being a Muslim, my stance makes me bias.

But, as I have provided proof from the Quran and a scholarly board in Australia on the very first page. I would think that lends more credence to my position. If not let me know. I can certainly provide many voices and hadith concerning homosexuality in Islam.


Perhaps you can highlight exactly what doesn't make sense? How I mentioned the number 2 can never be 5, or how a sexually active person can never be a virgin? Where are you lost?

Please, enlighten us. Then we can go from there. As I have made it abundantly clear, homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, even though there are many "queer Muslims" in the US.

 

[Daze]

Every thread I visit, there’s someone mentioning 9 year olds and child marriage. What do you people watch or do in your free time to be so encompassed with this nonsense?

It's all they have really. It only shows how uneducated they are on their own history.

For example, the world renowned story of Shakesphere's Romeo and Juliet.
Seems 13 is "too old" to get married.

 

[Drifter]

If nothing makes sense, when we all know a 5-year-old can understand it. Then why only quote one line from it?

I may be wrong on the Christian assumption, but you yourself say you're homosexual. So this would make you bias.

You can also say, me being a Muslim, my stance makes me bias.

But, as I have provided proof from the Quran and a scholarly board in Australia on the very first page. I would think that lends more credence to my position. If not let me know. I can certainly provide many voices and hadith concerning homosexuality in Islam.


Perhaps you can highlight exactly what doesn't make sense? How I mentioned the number 2 can never be 5, or how a sexually active person can never be a virgin? Where are you lost?

Please, enlighten us. Then we can go from there. As I have made it abundantly clear, homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, even though there are many "queer Muslims" in the US.

You're an interesting one to reference comprehension and understanding when:
1. I never said I was gay and 2. My entire post was about how homosexuality was forbidden in Christianity (which I made it abundantly obvious was the faith I subscribe to) and 3. I never once mentioned Islam lol. So again, did you perhaps misquote the poster you're actually referring to?

 

[Drifter]

It's all they have really. It only shows how uneducated they are on their own history.

For example, the world renowned story of Shakesphere's Romeo and Juliet.
Seems 13 is "too old" to get married.

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You do understand that a child giving birth before the end of their teens is conducive to higher maternal mortality right? Similarly to women having children too old poses a greater risk. A woman's reproductive peak is late teens to late 20s. Are you ignorant of how many young girls died in childbirth? Or that the age of marriage has been significantly skewed when it was mostly royalty getting married at super young ages?

 

[Drifter]

It's all they have really. It only shows how uneducated they are on their own history.

For example, the world renowned story of Shakesphere's Romeo and Juliet.
Seems 13 is "too old" to get married.

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Also, Romeo and Julie is well known satire lmao, not a love story. It's literally to showcase the stupidity and illogical decisions that can happen with "young love".

 

[Daze]

You're an interesting one to reference comprehension and understanding when:
1. I never said I was gay and 2. My entire post was about how homosexuality was forbidden in Christianity (which I made it abundantly obvious was the faith I subscribe to) and 3. I never once mentioned Islam lol. So again, did you perhaps misquote the poster you're actually referring to?

It seems I misread the original intent of your post. So I stand corrected.

However, this is incorrect. To be fair, I put Lalas on ignore pretty early in this thread when i realized he was trolling.

I have LONG pm's from him and honestly his English is difficult to understand. He chastised me in pm when I was agreeing with him... Instead of trying to figure out what he's saying, much less argue with him, it's better for me to just block him. I could be wrong, but life is too short entertaining everyone who disagrees.

You do understand that a child giving birth before the end of their teens is conducive to higher maternal mortality right? Similarly to women having children too old poses a greater risk. A woman's reproductive peak is late teens to late 20s. Are you ignorant of how many young girls died in childbirth? Or that the age of marriage has been significantly skewed when it was mostly royalty getting married at super young ages?

I am getting tired of beating this dead horse, but you do realize for 4000 - 50k years (however old mankind is). Child marriage has been the absolute norm?

Why don't you research when "18" became the standard? Because it wasn't in your great grandpa's days.

All the "$cience" you are relating in that post is part of the agenda to push marriage off late as possible, essentially killing it altogether, as 30-year-olds don't even want to get married today. While making fornication extremely easy, accessible and encouraged.

Just look at the state of the world today. Every ask why its like this? Idk if you noticed but abortions were not an epidemic 200 years ago like they are today. According to global statistics, 74 million are euthanized every single year!

That is insane, it's more people than entire countries. I live in Houston, TX. A large city with about 5 million people. Every year, my city is obliterated 15x over, according to abortion statistics. People just can't fathom the damage that is being done and propagated, even by alleged Christians.

I've had one recently tell me she prefers her own daughter come home with a bastard child in her belly, then for her daughter to marry the father before they are 18.

The world has gone insane and prophecy is being fulfilled. KNOWLEDGE is being removed.

You do understand that a child giving birth before the end of their teens is conducive to higher maternal mortality right?

I believe we have a Designer and if it was harmful to have kids at younger ages, then we never would have been given this ability.

Why is pork forbidden, even in the Bible? Why is alcohol forbidden? Why is it forbidden to eat carrion (dead animals)?
All of these and more are forbidden because they Bring Harm to the human.

God set these rules and at the same time, He not only gave mankind the ability to start families young. It's been the norm for many millennia, so no. I don't agree its conducive to higher maternal mortality.

 

[Daze]

Also, Romeo and Julie is well known satire lmao, not a love story. It's literally to showcase the stupidity and illogical decisions that can happen with "young love".

Well, this is a first. I wonder how many would agree with this? Imagine, Romeo and Juliet being satire?

Besides, I don't need the example for reference to prove my point.

Here's a couple of Americans from not even a century ago.




Here's a queen.



Here's another queen.

 

[Haich]

I loathe Romeo & Juliet but I haven’t come across anything literary or academic which suggests it’s satire. It’s set in renaissance Italy and we all know renaissance was an age of sex, art and ‘enlightenment’.

Shakespeare drew inspiration from an Italian author called Matteo Bandello. The story is contained in his Novelliere published in 1554.

 

[Daze]

I loathe Romeo & Juliet but I haven’t come across anything literary or academic which suggests it’s satire. It’s set in renaissance Italy and we all know renaissance was an age of sex, art and ‘enlightenment’.

Shakespeare drew inspiration from an Italian author called Matteo Bandello. The story is contained in his Novelliere published in 1554.

It was never satire. It was art imitating life. Young marriage is something William Shakespeare was surrounded with. It was a societal norm.

But I’m only replying to ask why you loathe it? Love stories are usually a feminine thing.

 

[Drifter]

It seems I misread the original intent of your post. So I stand corrected.

However, this is incorrect. To be fair, I put Lalas on ignore pretty early in this thread when i realized he was trolling.

I have LONG pm's from him and honestly his English is difficult to understand. He chastised me in pm when I was agreeing with him... Instead of trying to figure out what he's saying, much less argue with him, it's better for me to just block him. I could be wrong, but life is too short entertaining everyone who disagrees.




I am getting tired of beating this dead horse, but you do realize for 4000 - 50k years (however old mankind is). Child marriage has been the absolute norm?

Why don't you research when "18" became the standard? Because it wasn't in your great grandpa's days.

All the "$cience" you are relating in that post is part of the agenda to push marriage off late as possible, essentially killing it altogether, as 30-year-olds don't even want to get married today. While making fornication extremely easy, accessible and encouraged.

Just look at the state of the world today. Every ask why its like this? Idk if you noticed but abortions were not an epidemic 200 years ago like they are today. According to global statistics, 74 million are euthanized every single year!

That is insane, it's more people than entire countries. I live in Houston, TX. A large city with about 5 million people. Every year, my city is obliterated 15x over, according to abortion statistics. People just can't fathom the damage that is being done and propagated, even by alleged Christians.

I've had one recently tell me she prefers her own daughter come home with a bastard child in her belly, then for her daughter to marry the father before they are 18.

The world has gone insane and prophecy is being fulfilled. KNOWLEDGE is being removed.



I believe we have a Designer and if it was harmful to have kids at younger ages, then we never would have been given this ability.

Why is pork forbidden, even in the Bible? Why is alcohol forbidden? Why is it forbidden to eat carrion (dead animals)?
All of these and more are forbidden because they Bring Harm to the human.

God set these rules and at the same time, He not only gave mankind the ability to start families young. It's been the norm for many millennia, so no. I don't agree its conducive to higher maternal mortality.

I don't care to argue with you about something that should be obvious. The onset of puberty has gotten earlier over the years. Just because a girl has a period, does not mean she's capable of bearing a child to term. Do you not know about the maternal mortality rates throughout history? Serious question.

 

[Drifter]

Well, this is a first. I wonder how many would agree with this? Imagine, Romeo and Juliet being satire?

Besides, I don't need the example for reference to prove my point.

Here's a couple of Americans from not even a century ago.

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Here's a queen.
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Here's another queen.
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OK so I can show pics of how common men banging little boys was and use that as proof something should be moral? Because spirituality is the only real argument against homoeroticism (which can exist outside of anal sex btw). You're just like the elites with their depraved lust for children. Sick.

 

[Drifter]

I loathe Romeo & Juliet but I haven’t come across anything literary or academic which suggests it’s satire. It’s set in renaissance Italy and we all know renaissance was an age of sex, art and ‘enlightenment’.

Shakespeare drew inspiration from an Italian author called Matteo Bandello. The story is contained in his Novelliere published in 1554.

I've come across quote a few academic sources that state otherwise.

 

[Drifter]

@Daze I didn't realize you were an actual predator. Using examples of broken lust for CHILDREN while damning sex between two adults. Homosexuality is still wrong but even worse is abusing a child. You're sick.

 

[Daze]

I don't care to argue with you about something that should be obvious. The onset of puberty has gotten earlier over the years. Just because a girl has a period, does not mean she's capable of bearing a child to term. Do you not know about the maternal mortality rates throughout history? Serious question.

Do you not know women have had children at young ages for 1000's of years? Serious question.

Many reject it today (as they do with most "unpleasant" news), but there are Christian sources that say Mary was 12 when Jesus was born.
I guess God wanted to endanger her life?


Proof that puberty has gotten earlier? Or is this more $cience?

OK so I can show pics of how common men banging little boys was and use that as proof something should be moral? Because spirituality is the only real argument against homoeroticism (which can exist outside of anal sex btw). You're just like the elites with their depraved lust for children. Sick.

Strawman. Being a Muslim, I'm against homosexuality.

Being a Muslim, I'm against fornication. Since a man can not marry a man in Islamic law, such a union can never exist. Homosexuality will always be fornication. Regardless of how many state sponsored documents they have reassuring them of their degeneracy.

Because spirituality is the only real argument against homoeroticism

I actually agree with this. My only problem with homosexuality is God has forbidden it. Yet when we look into it, we can see why. Such as STD's that only come from sodomy. Anal sex is even forbidden between a woman and a man for the same reasons.

Remember when I said God has only forbid what brings harm?

You're just like the elites with their depraved lust for children. Sick.

Let me be 1000% honest with you. I am a 44-year-old man. I would not marry a 20-year-old today because she would have a child like mentality. Wisdom I have that she won't get for at least a decade would drive me insane. I don't propagate old people marrying kids. I call to what God has revealed.

If kids today have to climb all over one another, make them get married. Why is this such an issue for people?

I'll tell you why, indoctrination. Years and decades of brainwashing moving society further and further away from what God sent down.

No one says a peep when a 15-year-old boy sleeps with a 13-year-old girl, in fact it is encouraged! But all hell breaks loose if that same boy wants to put a ring on that same girl's finger.

Idk where you're from, but America is absolutely godless today. I've seen the results. I know where it leads, and I will ALWAYS advocate marriage before fornication.